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Tonight on RAW: it's a very special 3-Hour All-Brands Thanksgiving Edition of RAW, which means.... well, ummm, I don't really know
*what* that means, other than maybe RAW is stealing the annual foodfight gimmick away from SD this year... we also know that the Guest Host will be
Jesse "the Body" Ventura, which could end up being anything from awesome to awful depending on how well-prepped he is when they hand him a live mic;
he could also fall smack-dab in the middle as a competent host shilling his new project (in Jesse's case, a new TV show about Conspiracy
Theories).... fall-out from Survivor Series is also assured, as we have another of the new "themed" PPVs coming up in 3-weeks, and that'll no
doubt mean a new mash-up of Cena/DX in the WWE Title picture, while Kofi/Orton ain't going anywhere, either; both will get fancy new
stips/gimmicks in accordance with the TLC PPV name, and voila.... the US Title picture seems to still be focused mostly on The Miz, Jack Swagger, and
maybe Evan Bourne.... Sheamus' next "project" will probably end up being a squash of Jerry Lawler based on last week's events... the
cross-brands aspect should be good for some fun (maybe a one-off Kofi/Punk match, just because they were so good last night, please? Pretty please?),
or at least some kind of address by JeriShow about last night (which might lead us to an angle that illustrates how bad Big Show's aching knee
is/isn't)... and while WWE has not bothered announcing any official matches/segments for tonight, they ARE promising the World Premiere of the
trailer for "The Marine 2" starring Ted DiBiase Jr.... oh my, you don't want to miss that! Do you? Oh, you do.... update this thread if/when WWE
announces stuff later in the afternoon, kids, and remember: a 3-hour show tonight, so it kicks off ONE HOUR EARLY at 8pm (eastern); be there or
be square....
The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Let your voice be heard and your thoughts on Brand Supremacy be known. Don't wait till after 11pm to post,
either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!
Does PG TV mean will will or will not be getting a gravy bowl diva's match? I mean, ratings are one thing but tradition is tradition.
quote:
Originally posted by OORick
Tonight on RAW: it's a very special 3-Hour All-Brands Thanksgiving Edition of RAW, which means.... well, ummm, I don't really know *what* that means, other than maybe RAW is stealing the annual foodfight gimmick away from SD this year...
Got to say I am actually hyped up for tonight's show. The breakthrough Battle Royal, plus new matches we've never seen. Of course this is the E, so I feel the taint of false advertising before the night is done
quote:
Originally posted by Tevaltski
Got to say I am actually hyped up for tonight's show. The breakthrough Battle Royal, plus new matches we've never seen. Of course this is the E, so I feel the taint of false advertising before the night is done
Im calling it now, Sheamus wins that battle royale.
Will Randy Orton wisen up tonight to the fact that the only way he can get another title shot is if someone other than Cena has the title... and that tonight he has a chance of installing one of the Legacy guys as Number One Contender so that they can lay down to the finger poke of doom for him?
Bingo. I believe someone's movie trailer is premiering tonight...
I turned on RAW mid Cena/Punk because... Raw sounded... good?
I'm upset I missed the first hour because... it sounds like... I missed some good stuff?
I'm settling in to watch the rest of the show because... it sounds... appealing?
Am I still watching RAW?
Jesse and Vince announcing plus red bow tie?Instant 5.0
At the risk of sounding like a goofball fanboy - OMG! Jesse and Vince back at the announce table?! Freaking AWESOME!!!! That's going to bring
back some memories... total old skooooooool!
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by budpaul]
All of a sudden Jack Swagger's future isn't looking so promising.
quote:
Originally posted by chewey
Will Randy Orton wisen up tonight to the fact that the only way he can get another title shot is if someone other than Cena has the title... and that tonight he has a chance of installing one of the Legacy guys as Number One Contender so that they can lay down to the finger poke of doom for him?
Twenty two minutes after I get excited for RAW because it features a Breakthrough Battle Royal featuring non-World Champion/Main Eventers guaranteed
to showcase the young stars of the company and put a new wrestler into the spotlight Randy Orton is allowed into it by beating one of the top guys
I'd love to see get a showcase and suddenly what I was so excited for has become "Are they really going to do Cena vs Orton again? JESUS
FUCKING CHRIST, DIE, YOU TERRIBLE FUCKING COMPANY!"
I am watching RAW after all.
We heading towards another Kofi/Orton showdown tonight or what?
Red Herring to get rid of Kofi, Lucky.
quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
Twenty two minutes after I get excited for RAW because it features a Breakthrough Battle Royal featuring non-World Champion/Main Eventers guaranteed to showcase the young stars of the company and put a new wrestler into the spotlight Randy Orton is allowed into it by beating one of the top guys I'd love to see get a showcase and suddenly what I was so excited for has become "Are they really going to do Cena vs Orton again? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, DIE, YOU TERRIBLE FUCKING COMPANY!"
I am watching RAW after all.
I am surprised that Swagger isn't going to be in that thing.
Kofi or Orton won't win
I dont' think.... :-) I know it won't be Orton.
MVP maybe?
HOLY FUCKING SHIT, THE GOBBLEDY GOOKER!!!!!
16.0
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Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Red Herring to get rid of Kofi, Lucky.
Lucky, I think you're pretty much failing to comprehend the fact that Maryse is the Gobbledy Gooker, which means that assuming she's approx.
25 years old she's been under contract to WWE since she was 6!
ETA- Seriously though, I'm not going to be mad unless Orton actually wins the battle royale. Which, with Kofi involved, I'm not sure
he will.
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by Chris Is Good517]
Cole has actually been considerably less vintage tonight..much looser yet still keeping on point.
Decent swerve w/ the Gooker, but the crowd goes totally mild for the Maryse reveal. I thought it was gonna be Beth.
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
ETA- Seriously though, I'm not going to be mad unless Orton actually wins the battle royale. Which, with Kofi involved, I'm not sure he will.
I had my money on Santino. [edit] As the gooker...
Ah...contributing to a Lucky freakout.
Just like the old days. :: (c) Mick Foley Thumbs Up::
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by S Kid J E T S 48]
Anyone else feel old as hell watching HBK wrestle Bulldog's kid while remembering pretty clearly HBK tearing down the house with Bulldog, which
seems like it can't have been 13-14 years ago already but actually has?
Anyone else think this probably makes Shawn feel really fuckin old?
There 's like six guys in the "battle royale"? Pretty thin. No one in ECW rates even as ring filler?
It does kind of bug me that the Harts got the shaft and so many SD and ECW guys were kept out of this. What started as "a battle royal giving the
young stars of WWE a chance to get a title shot" became "Orton, MVP, Henry, R-Truth, Kofi, and who?" Boy... that's not nearly as interesting as
it sounded.
So much for the scenario I imagined where a ring was filled with the likes of Morrison, Miz, Christian, Swagger, Sheamus, Bourne, Benjamin, and a
dozen other guys who have never seen the top of the card fighting it out for a chance to "break through."
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by LuckyLopez]
Lucky may be on to something...the announced main event for the RAW in Tampa next month is Cena/DX vs Orton/Jerishow.
Show is not over, and I have to believe Miz/Morrison will get in that Battle Royale somehow. I did get some nostalgia seeing HBK in the ring as the
Hart music played but I can't believe Bret Hart wasnt brought up. Oh and I love WWE's continuity with the ECW title, years ago LAshley was
allowed in a Championship match because he was ex-champ, but Mark Henry can advance in this because he never won a title that wasnt the ECW
Championship.
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by SeanSmythe]
In fairness its not really inherently contradictory to say that the ECW Title WAS a World Title when Lashley held it but wasn't when Henry did.
Titles can lose and gain prestige. Of course the questions are (a) is Lashley STILL a former World Champion or did they recton that and (b) if he is
then when exactly did the title stop being one and is John Morrison a former World Champion?
And so much for Morrison/Miz. Hey look, two allies for Orton. Yay! A main event largely about Legacy! How fucking different!
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by LuckyLopez]
OK, maybe it was just me but the punchline to that pie segment with Vickie getting pie-faced was genuinely funny. I just laughed my ass off watching that.
Man, the one time I wanted to watch RAW and my other roommate stops the recording a third of the way through to flip through channels. Oh well...how
was Punk v Cena? Did Punk tap to the sstf or get pinned after Cena's scoop slam?
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by DriftThroughTime]
He got pinned after a second rope Attitude Adjuster
Did anyone else see that huge "GOVERNER" graphic on the screen beneath the Jumbotron when Ventura came out the first time tonight? They spelled it
correctly on the chevron and the Jumbotron, but it was right in the middle of the shot when he first came out.
Someone in production must've noticed it, because they replaced it with "The Body" when he came out later.
IRISH POWDER FEVER!
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
OK, maybe it was just me but the punchline to that pie segment with Vickie getting pie-faced was genuinely funny. I just laughed my ass off watching that.
I was going to write something clever like McMahon on commentary > Cole on commentary, but then I figured that a balled up sock > Cole on commentary.
As obvious as it was.. I think they are pushing Sheamus way to fast, and you know there is no way he is beating Cena at TLC, thus deflating his entire push up till now.
Sheamus gets catapulted into a PPV main event after very little build up on Raw...
...IWC whines the next morning that it's only because of his friendship with Triple H that he gets this shot.
quote:
Originally posted by SeanSmythe
As obvious as it was.. I think they are pushing Sheamus way to fast, and you know there is no way he is beating Cena at TLC, thus deflating his entire push up till now.
I mark for Sheamus hard. He has no chance in hell of winning, but I don't think that's really an issue. The real question will be how he's built up for the next couple of weeks, how he does in that match, and what he does after that match. The push happened fast but I don't think that's inherently a bad thing. Cena will beat him and he's in no way, shape, or form a "main eventer" in any real sense. But booked well its a fine first step to making him a player.
I just caught the end but did someone kill a puppy or something during the show because the crowd sounded dead.
quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
I mark for Sheamus hard. He has no chance in hell of winning, but I don't think that's really an issue. The real question will be how he's built up for the next couple of weeks, how he does in that match, and what he does after that match. The push happened fast but I don't think that's inherently a bad thing. Cena will beat him and he's in no way, shape, or form a "main eventer" in any real sense. But booked well its a fine first step to making him a player.
I actually see this as another way of WWE not knowing how to push a young guy. Sheamus is a sacrificial lamb, his inevitable loss at TLC will do more harm than good, and will be more beneficial to Cena. If they where gonna sacrifice someone, they should've given the win to someone else and just had Cena win. But at TLC Sheamus "unstoppable" factor is gone, and with Cena actually being quite right about Sheamus only destroying Noble and Lawler up until this point, how will losing in his first match against a top guy help him?
Difference between Umaga and Sheamus, is that Umaga didnt face off with John Cena 5 weeks into his push, they actually took a long time and Umaga actually beat some top guys on his way to Cena.
I certainly HOPE its not the "Umage Effect" since that results in a one dimensional midcarder that treads water with no purpose except to occupy more
important people until he's unceremoniously released into obscurity.
I genuinely don't believe that a loss in and off itself damages Sheamus and think there's a dozen ways to have him lose and still come out
better for it. Whether they'll do that or not, I have no idea. If I were some bush league TNA wanker I'd just point to Desmond Wolfe
tearing into TNA, destroying Angle for weeks, losing to Angle in a great match, and then coming out the other side a legitimate player as a recent
example of how it can work.
With Cena/Punk, the Breakthrough Battle Royal, and Sheamus winning I'd probably give this RAW a rating about 4.0. Toss in the little fun and
harmless nostalgia things of Jesse/Vince and the Gooker. With the pointless and destructive "Russorific" Orton booking it sunk my rating down
considerably. I'll just abstain since I missed the first 40 minutes.
Same old damn IWC.
'No more Cena vs Orton! Push the new guys!'
*Orton enters battle royale*
'AHHHH NOOO!'
*Sheamus wins*
'Sheamus is being pushed way too fast.'
Can't anyone ever say anything nice. Figures.
They still have 3 weeks to build him up. Lawler basically announced he's not going to fight back, so we don't have to worry about that.
They should have him destroy Cena for the next few weeks, while double-dipping him with maybe some crossover stuff on Superstars with matchups with
Morrison, and maybe some sort of Regal-assisted win over Christian on ECW to help push him forward.
I don't see this necessarily killing him at all. One thing he has over guys like Umaga and Great Khali is that he is not just a giant or a
gimmick. They have plenty of chance to handle him right after the Cena loss...they just have to have a real plan here.
Mind you I like Sheamus, he's knew and very different than what WWE has crammed down our throats, but we heading towards WM time and at most Sheamus will be in the MitB at that PPV, but a loss here, a loss at the rumble and another loss at elimination chamber aint gonna help him.
quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Can't anyone ever say anything nice. Figures.
I really don't think Sheamus will beat Cena, but a tables match definitely leaves the possibility for screwy shenanigans (like the classic spot
of Cena putting Sheamus through a table, the ref not seeing it, and then Sheamus puts Cena through a table and wins). I think Cena retains, but I just
think there's a small chance the WWE gets really wacky and puts the belt on Sheamus. And does anyone know if Sheamus has set the record for
quickest rise to a PPV world title shot (I can't remember how fast Lesnar did it)?
I really enjoyed the rest of the show as well. Cena/Punk was really good and it almost made me wish the WWE had held off the match until a later time,
when it could be done on PPV. And Punk actually looked good in the match, I thought for sure it would be over when Cena locked him into the STF.
And call me crazy, but with the beard, long hair, and similar ring attire, I'm getting a modern day Randy Savage vibe right now from Punk (just
minus the insanity, of course).
Too bad the Hart Dynasty jobbed out to DX pretty quickly, but really no shock there. And the DX vs. JeriShow announcement kind of came from out of
nowhere, but I like it. It will be interesting to see if DX wins the titles, since the PPV is in Shawn's hometown. Oh yeah, and I really liked
the backstage segment between Shawn and Triple H and the revelation that Triple H would have pedigreed Michaels if he hadn't been superkicked
first.
All in all, I really liked tonight's show and thought it was the best RAW effort in a while (though a lot of that is due to having three hours
and access to Smackdown's roster). I'll go 3.7, which may be the highest rating I've given RAW since we started the ratings thing.
For the most part, I really liked all things Jesse tonight.
For the most part, I was really bored with everything else tonight.
I will wait and see with Sheamus. I like the idea of them pushing someone new, I don't like the idea of just feeding him to Cena. We'll
see how it goes.
I did think it was funny how revolutionary = pretty much everything we have come to expect from the WWE
my RAW rating: 1.0
Lesnar's push was April to August. Sheamus was whenever he debuted on ECW to now.
I think DX will win it, based on Jericho's "DX has never been Champs before" and with Show's injury also playing a factor.
quote:
Originally posted by DrBoz
Dude, Lucky almost gave RAW a 4.0.
RAW!!!
What more do you want?
quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
Same old damn IWC.
'No more Cena vs Orton! Push the new guys!'
*Orton enters battle royale*
'AHHHH NOOO!'
*Sheamus wins*
'Sheamus is being pushed way too fast.'
Can't anyone ever say anything nice. Figures.
quote:
Originally posted by chewey
Sheamus gets catapulted into a PPV main event after very little build up on Raw...
...IWC whines the next morning that it's only because of his friendship with Triple H that he gets this shot.
Hogan left a impression on me on one of his promo's he cut...I believe he cut it on the Rock.
Shemus just screams flavor of the month to me. There is absolutely 0% chance he will win the match. I like the idea of having a fresh
challenger...but I would have went with someone a bit more credible than that. MVP....or Swagger probably Swagger. Shemus to me screams someone that
won't even be on the roster next year.
I tuned in at the end of Raw and caught the Battle Royal, and two things:
1) Vince McMahon is tons better at announcing than what little I've heard of Cole and Lawler together (which isn't much, but the consensus
is that it's a bit worse than the opinion I got of them, which is still pretty bad). Maybe a bit of it was nostalgia, but I was still tuned
in.
2) From what little I've seen of Sheamus, and from WWE's history of doing this exact same thing, I don't know how anyone considers
Sheamus to be getting a push. He's main eventing one PPV. He'll probably not be back in that spot for close to, if not over, a year after
he loses.
Because when was the last time anyone outside the usual circle of performers main evented a WWE PPV. For almost 3 years now it's been some rotation of Cena, Orton, HHH, HBK, Bats, Rey, Taker, Edge, and then the somewhat "recent" additions of Punk and Hardy. It's a group EVERYONE is tired of and Sheamus is at least new. Added to the Kofi push as well as the McIntyre and Morrison pushes on Smackdown, it's something I'm at least willing to give the benefit of the doubt to.
The last person I remember getting a title match out of nowhere on Raw was Khali, so Sheamus is good in my book. I thought they would spice up the battle royal a little more. Sheamus was the only logical choice to win, because you had to know Kofi or Orton would take the other out. I too felt a wave of nostalgia for McMahon and Ventura on commentary.
Maryse returning and using the Gobbledygooker to do so (and throwing various costume parts at Melina to boot)...victory for Raw.
Personally I thought Raw was great for the most part. I'm not cool with Jack Swagger suddenly turning into a jobber (what happened to the
Miz-Swagger thing, anyway?), but everything else was gravy.
As for Sheamus, I'm thrilled to be getting some new blood in the main event, even if he does seem like more of a temporary distraction than any
real threat to the title. You never know, maybe they'll even be ballsy enough to let him win the title at TLC and have Cena win it back at the
Rumble- but that would be the only scenario where he'd get the title. We're too close to WrestleMania for them to do a long-term
experiment with an unproven commodity and I don't think 4 months is really enough time to build him as the marketable draw that they think Orton
is. But I can see him either a) beating Cena for the belt and losing it back at the Rumble or b) beating Cena (or losing to Cena) by a count-out or DQ
or something flukey that will protect both guys then going on to win MitB at Mania.
I can't even remember the last time Raw surprised me like that. Once Orton was (stupidly) allowed into the battle royal-- especially since
Legacy was in there, too-- I figured it was a forgone conclusion that he was going to win. Crazy to think that just a few weeks ago, we were all
wondering if Sheamus was going to get lost in the shuffle moving to Raw... and now he's going to be main eventing a PPV against John Cena.
That's pretty incredible to me, considering the fed never seems to take chances like this.
I also agree that he can absolutely still come out of this match looking great, without necessarily having to win. If he can stand toe-to-toe with
Cena and look like a complete bad ass, and his equal, then he comes off as a legit threat in the future. There have been lots of times where losers
came out looking awesome. Remember the Jeff Hardy/Undertaker ladder match back in 2002?
I like the show quite a bit tonight. Kofi and Orton are continuing their feud-- with Kofi AGAIN getting the upper hand on Orton! Cena vs. Punk was
good, and hopefully they'll fight again sometime. DX vs. Harts should have been drawn out a bit more-- and definitely should have had some
mention to the history of Michaels vs. the Hart Foundation-- but it was ok for what it was. Maryse returning has me very happy. And the punchline of
the food fight bit with Santino smashing the cake into Vickie's face was awesome.
It gets a 4.3 from me.
I'm amazed you all assume Sheamus has ZERO chance of winning. He has one MASSIVE chance here: It's going to be tables, or a TLC match. A
match where he can't get disqualified, and there's a main event player who can't have a title shot as long as Cena is champ. I
don't own a crystal ball, but I see mass amounts of shennanigans in this one. I see him as only a bit part player in this, but its better than
having him lose cleanly. I see it going one of two ways:
Legacy interfere, and superman Cena retains. If its a ladder match, this would be a good outcome.
Interference leads to Sheamus winning, and being champ for one night - losing it back to Cena, or to Orton. It wouldn't suprise me if we get
this, with Cena winning the title back, thus forcing Orton into the rumble to win a shot at the title at Wrestlemania.
In any event, this won't be as clean cut as you all fear it will be. Whether Sheamus benefits from this is a completely different story.
The longer....and further away Orton is from the title picture, the happier I am.
Didn't catch the whole show, only the 2nd hour and some change, Ventura flubbed a line here and there, but was more entertaining than nearly
every other "Guest Host" thus far. I wanted to catch both him and Vince doing commentary, as I've got some fond memories of the days when they
did it for a living (I'm one of those 38 year olds that Rick had been talking about in his recent columns) and from the talk here, it looks as
tho I might have missed some nice mic work.
(I almost said Vintage WWF Commentary, but LORD KNOWS we've heard enuff of THAT word.)
Guess it's Youtube time to see...
also, I agree with whomever said Vince + Red Bowtie = 5.0 rating.
quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
quote:
Originally posted by chewey
Sheamus gets catapulted into a PPV main event after very little build up on Raw...
...IWC whines the next morning that it's only because of his friendship with Triple H that he gets this shot.
Typical "anti-smark" sentiment that either isolates negative comments ignoring the positive ones, makes stuff up to use as strawmen, or exaggerates reality all to undermine people who don't just universally praise a show but rather address it critically.
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by LuckyLopez]
Jesse and Vince on commentary was certainly nothing special, but my God it was good to hear just for old times sake.
I've never been the biggest fan of Maryse, but I was definitely warming up to her before she got injured. Shame her return was such a turkey
(yes, yes, I know). Those hits with the Gobbledegooker head were terrible looking... But what else would you expect from a prop like that? Melina and
Maryse must have been laughing backstage at the ridiculousness of it all.
I don't think this feud is going to be just a one off shot here, which means Sheamus may just have a chance at a one month title run.
The way I see it, the Rumble ppv almost always has one competitor for the title who is a little less than main event, to get as many main eventers
into the Rumble as possible.
I'm just surprised most of you haven't seen this little nugget coming. There is certainly one loophole in the whole Orton can't face
Cena for the title again, and that is coming up at the next ppv. Tell me who a more likely option to win the Rumble is than Orton?
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by jmble]
I don't think Sheamus wins, but a table match is the perfect way to protect him. It's not like he'll be getting pinned or tapping to
SSTF.
However, that Battle Royale was pretty boring for the 1st 10 minutes and didn't make much sense. Why were Kofi, Truth, Henry, MVP fighting
amongst each other when Legacy (and other white guys) were still in the ring? I know, I know, every man for himself but wouldn't they fight
together to eliminate the bad guys before they attack each other? Moronic. Especially since they started off the match by clearly setting up the face
v heel (and black v white) dynamic.
And I've got to second all the talk about the boring choice of competitors. 1st of all, only 1 Smackdown guy? How about putting in someone who
could have made Batista's threat credible? (nice promo by the way). 2nd, how do Swagger/Miz/Morrison not get in this match or even get to try?
I would have rather seen Legacy fight each other ealier, with Ted winning and possibly setting up his face turn.
Also, what I really wanted to see was Bourne or Swagger chairshotting Orton on the way to the ring and taking his spot. Now that would have been
awesome and set up another Orton feud with a talented newcomer and pushed off his Kofi feud a bit. I think they could really draw the Kofi/Orton feud
out and keep having Kofi cost Orton title shots. For example, I would have had Swagger/Bourne take Orton out and they could have a match at TLC. Then
Kofi eliminates Orton at the Rumble. They wind up in an Elimination Chamber at NWO and Orton eliminates Kofi but loses. Orton gets into MITB and gets
taken out by Kofi. Then you have the big blowoff match at Backlash. Instead, we'll probably just get a series of singles matches.
A chair match at TLC sounds like the worst match ever. How is that better than No DQ? I'm guessing Taker/Batista gets the chair match since Taker
seems to be too crippled to do anything else.
So, up and down show and I think it was a huge mistake putting so MVP, Henry, and Legacy into the main event, but the whole Breakthrough thing was
excited and they are pushing a new guy, which should be interesting.
4.0
EDIT:
Wait, the return of Maryse's boobies means an instant 5.0. (and the Gooker shot sounded like it hurt because she got her with the beak)
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by theflammablemanimal]
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Anyone else feel old as hell watching HBK wrestle Bulldog's kid while remembering pretty clearly HBK tearing down the house with Bulldog, which seems like it can't have been 13-14 years ago already but actually has?
Anyone else think this probably makes Shawn feel really fuckin old?
I also liked Jesse's interactions with Orton.
"I like what you do.
I like that you retire these old guys that oughtta be retired. ...
So keep up the great work. Keep retiring these guys. You're doing a great job."
Isn't it funny how the majority of the guest hosts they've had who have a background in wrestling (Jesse, obviously, and Dusty Rhodes come
to mind) have been awesome and the majority of the guest hosts who don't have a background in wrestling (Jeremy Piven and the Nascar guys come to
mind, just to name a few) have, by and large, SUCKED?
Funny how that works!
quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
Isn't it funny how the majority of the guest hosts they've had who have a background in wrestling (Jesse, obviously, and Dusty Rhodes come to mind) have been awesome and the majority of the guest hosts who don't have a background in wrestling (Jeremy Piven and the Nascar guys come to mind, just to name a few) have, by and large, SUCKED?
Funny how that works!
Ventura was awesome. I think the thing I really liked was how he gave his "character" motivation ie change/revolution/a sense of injustice about his
own past treatment as opposed to just being heelish for the sake of it.
The misspelling of governor confused the hell out of me - one minute it was wrong and by the time I'd worked out why it looked funny it was right
again.
Did maryse's gooker disrobing go wrong or was the plan for her to struggle with her boots and stuff? either way it was hilarious and she handled
it pretty well. I particularly liked her holding king at bay with the palm of doom.
I like how Batista has only been heel for a month and he's already being booked as a coward.
WWE only knows how to book two heels: monsters that don't talk and destroy jobbers until Cena beats them or ultimate opportunists/pussies.
There's really no inbetween.
quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
I like how Batista has only been heel for a month and he's already being booked as a coward.
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Originally posted by knuckleballschwartz
Did maryse's gooker disrobing go wrong or was the plan for her to struggle with her boots and stuff? either way it was hilarious and she handled it pretty well. I particularly liked her holding king at bay with the palm of doom.
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Originally posted by desjr001
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Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
I like how Batista has only been heel for a month and he's already being booked as a coward.
I so disagree. He is, to quote the Rick, The Logical Monster and he will destroy Kane on his way through the Taker. Then who are we looking at for for his challenger into WM? A returning face Edge would be my best guess.
I too laughed at the cakeface punchline on Vicky. As soon as I did it, I went to myself..."OMG did I actually emit a guffaw?".
4.0 for me. I had fun.
Hardy isn't coming back.
Then someone needs to step up to face Batista...if Orton wasn't heel Id say it woudl be him. I think WWE has a hard on for a Batista vs Orton
feud. Besides Hardy will be back...he is worth too much to the WWE not to bring him back.
Misterio is a possibility
[Edited on 11-25-2009 by nobledictator]
[Edited on 11-25-2009 by nobledictator]
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Originally posted by desjr001
I so disagree. He is, to quote the Rick, The Logical Monster
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Originally posted by desjr001
I so disagree. He [Batista] is, to quote the Rick, The Logical Monster and he will destroy Kane on his way through the Taker. Then who are we looking at for for his challenger into WM? A returning face Edge would be my best guess.
Is Edge even going to be back in time for WM? I don't know exactly how long an Achilles takes to heal, but WM would be a little less than nine months. Seems like it would be pushing it to get to WM, but I'm guessing he could at least cost Jericho his match and set up something down the road from there.
This is one of the problems with the WWE I think right now. The WWE doesn't really have any money matches that they can conceivalbly put on.
Theres a few reasons for this, first there are too many PPV's, and second everyone they have tried to push to be the next dude is gone or
injured.
Edge, Jeff Hardy, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guererro, Chris Benoit, Brock Lesnar.
The established talen they do have, have all faced each other due to the 1000000 PPV's they have.
I do think that help is on the way as the WWE right now has the best young talent they have had in a very long time
(Swagger, Miz, Morrison, Kofi Kingston, and I still think Shelton Benjamin will break out. CM Punk has to be included in that as well, plus I think
Ted Dibiase and possibly Bulldogs Son my be players.)
But for now.... I think WWE is ripe for another brand to hurt them. If TNA is going to hurt WWE I think now is the time to do it. The myth about
wrestling I think is it doesn't take a big star or great wrestling for a show to be at its zenith, it takes one really really good storyline and
a handful of wrestlers that can make it work both in the ring and out of it that the fed can run on for a few months. If TNA comes up with one right
now I think they could put a hurting of WWE right now.
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Originally posted by nobledictator
Hardy will be back...he is worth too much to the WWE not to bring him back.
Yeah, I don't see Hardy coming back anytime soon. However, I could see how the release of his DVD might get people thinking he's close to a
return.
How long does it take to make a DVD? I'm surprised to see Hogan and Hardy's DVDs coming out when one is with the competition and one is in
prison.
batista - punk at mania for the title?
Vegas has the Royal Rumble as the over/under date by which Batista will be out again with injury.
I've bet on the under.
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Originally posted by knuckleballschwartz
batista - punk at mania for the title?
I would love to see Taker/HBK 2 for Wrestlemania. Have they ever done back to back years of the same match? We all know Shawn would have no chance,
but it would allow the WWE to promote it like crazy. The build up, the return match. At the very least it could guarantee a great match.
I do think Taker/Cena would be a good match but would that mean Taker drops the belt and then wins the Rumble or would Cena? What about the person
that beat them for the belt? Or do they both keep the belt and we go for a reunification? It just seems like too much maneuvering for the WWE right
now to put them in a WM match.
My fear is we get Batista/Taker at WM assuming both of their broken bodies can make it to March/April.
I would lay money on Punk being in the MITB match at WM and winning so he can once again cement himself as Mr. MITB
[Edited on 11-25-2009 by Biff_Manly]
The only back to match I can remember was Dudleys vs E/C vs Hardys with the ladder match at WM 2000 and TLC at WM 17.
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Originally posted by DevilSoprano
I thought about that, but who's the heel?
They could do a Punk/Morrison title shot, especially if they're doing HHH/HBK and Cena/Taker as bigger matches. The SD title match won't have to be as huge.
I agree with the person that said HBK vs UT 2 would be the way to go. I think it could have been huge with HBK coming back being obsessed with ending
the UT's streak. Slow burning it till WM. That boat has passed it seems and it seems Cena vs UT will happen instead.
Right now outside of UT vs Cena and probably some of the participants in the MITB match IM not sure WWE has a clue who they will main event with and
will end up stuck with HBK vs HHH....I can't imagine this being their preference though.
Fantasy geek booker in me would love to see HBK vs The Rock :-).... I know I know I shouldn't do that to myself. The promos would be awesome
though.
I thought DX vs Brothers of Destruction would have been the way to go for WrestleMania. I much prefer Michaels and HHH as a team, it's a fitting
sequel to the HBK-Taker singles match, and more importantly, the build-up could be about how the three other guys in the match have all lost to
'Taker at WM before. Planting the seed that Kane will turn on him to get credit for ending the streak. I wouldn't have him do it, though.
But the raft has indeed floated on for Michaels/Taker continuation, it seems.
At least if its HHH vs HBK, it is a match we haven't actually seen in a while and they tend to put on good ones when they do lock up. If its Cena vs Taker, then we know Cena won't main event WM which is good, so who the hell would be the Raw Champ if 'Tista is the SD Champ?
I was looking through the Wrestlemania history and I don't believe that Shawn Michaels has faced Triple H one on one at Wresltemania.
They had the Triple Threat with Benoit, so essentially, they have never had a match during the biggest show of them all.
I may have missed something. I admit my research was limited to a quick Google search and some wiki reading.
The fact that they haven't had that match at Wrestlemania would lead to some decent promos. A little bit of one-upmanship if you will and a back
story that has more legs than 97% of the feuds that go one today.
Chiming in on matches that have been done twice in a row at WrestleMania, there's also Hogan/Andre (III and IV) and Bret Hart/Yokozuna (IX and
X). Those are the only other two I can think of.
EDIT: And on the subject of Michaels/Triple H, I'd be okay with it if it was done as face vs. face (or maybe with Michaels as the heel). But
we've seen heel Triple H vs. face Shawn Michaels too many times, even though they usually do deliver in their matches.
[Edited on 11-26-2009 by the goon]
It wouldn't suprise me if we saw Orton / Kofi for the WWE Championship @ WM26.
It was around Survivor Series they started the build up for Lesnar /Angle, and Benoit getting a title shot at someone. If they keep Pushing Kofi, I
can see him winning the Rumble, with Orton getting in on the Elimination chamber (by argueing that he's not fighting Cena one on one). Then you
have Orton vs Kofi in the first 'main event star making wrestlemania moment' since WM21 (when Cena / Batista both picked up their first
world titles).
To build off what Gobshite said about Orton/Kofi for the title at Mania (which I agree is at least a possibility), I could see Orton helping Sheamus beat Cena at TLC, setting up a Sheamus/Cena/Orton title match at the Rumble. Orton gets the title there while Kofi wins the Rumble (or the chamber at whatever retarded name they came up with for No Way Out). If Cena is going to go on to fight Undertaker at Mania, I have no idea where that leaves Sheamus, but I think that scenario would make sense.
I had to do a double take and make sure that I was watching RAW in the year 2009. That was by far the best episode I've seen in recent memory.
Everything was executed beautifully, from the hosting of Jesse Ventura, the return of Maryse, to the elevation of Sheamus to ME status. For a moment
their my 4.0 was fixing to drop below 3, when Jesse allowed Orton to participate in the Battle Royal. But alas Kofi Kingston saved the day.
Have to agree with those who say that a tables match between Cena and Sheamus, is the best way to protect Sheamus if he goes down in defeat. He will
not have to bear the stigma of a lame Cena submission move.
Unfortunately, my fear is that it will be back to business as usual next week, when we have to sit through the musings of Verne Troyer.....ugh!!!
Nevertheless, Final Score: 4.25
Troyer is gangsta. It's gonna be a hell of a show. Maybe we can get some serious midget on midget violence rotating around the little
people's court. I am chucking just thinking about it. Maybe he'll beat Hornswaggle's ass and tell him to have some dignity!
Midgets equal funny afterall.
Big Show and Mini Me? My gawd man! How can you say this will suck?