So, apparently Chris Jericho is set to make a major announcement that is supposed to shock the world later today in LA. I've been reading that
it's likely going to be the announcement that he's going to be joining up with "Dancing With The Stars" but I'm really holding out hope
that doesn't happen for a couple reasons. One, that show is obviously fuckin' stupid and I will NOT contribute to it's peculiar
popularity. And two, it means that he wouldn't be able to possibly return to the WWE until late this summer.
Has anybody else read about this announcement possibly being anything other than some dancing bullshit? I sure hope so...
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Read about an interview he did that mentioned something about Fozzy playing some big festivals this summer but I dunno. If he does DWTS I can't
really fault him, I mean that's extra mainstream exposure for him that would also translate to exposure for Fozzy. While I'd much rather he
be in the WWE, I can't fault the guy for wanting success outside of the ring too.
Plus, knowing Vince's hard on for mainstream exposure, being on DWTS would probably make Jericho a more valuable commodity to the WWE in the
future.
Can't be DWTS because their cast announcement is next week and nobody is allowed to announce beforehand. Not saying he can't be on it, but
that can't be the announcement. However if he was on DWTS I don't think he'd do well as he's pretty heavy on his feet.
Jericho says there is no point in coming back now given Rock, Taker and HHH all came back and he'd just be another guy returning and lost in the
hype shuffle.
I could see he tour the summer festival scene with Fozzy and then maybe come back in the fall.
He also said if he comes back it will be a different character again as he thinks too many heels are doing the silent brooding type now (he thinks
when he did it it was groundbreaking).
I'd like to see somebody do a Pillman-esque Loose Cannon gimmick.
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You know, I've gotta give Jericho credit. He could easily rest on his laurels and still be popular doing his original WWE shtick/character but he keeps changing his character each time he comes back. I find it commendable that he would continue to challenge himself like that when so many wrestlers are comfortable doing the bare minimum once they've made it to the main event level.
Good point, DudeLove. I'm kind of curious to see what sort of character he comes up with if he does decide to return. How many more different kind of characters can their possibly be in wrestling?
... and he's hosting some award show for VH1 Classic. Whoop-dee-doo!
This warrants no more than a DevSop length reply.
I think that Chris Jericho needs to think really hard about using the word major next time. Or shocking for that matter. This announcement is neither major or shocking or interesting. Who the fuck even watches VH1 Classic?
Who watches VH-1 Classic? Me~!
Maybe not "watch" it all that regularly, but it's easily the better of the two VH-1s, as you might actually stumble across something that
actually rocks on there.
That said, as far as Jericho's announcement goes, I either already knew that, or the "Golden God" Awards is an annual thing, and Jericho hosted
it last year. I don't know which of the two it is, but this is NOT the first time I've been informed that Jericho and that awards show
belong in the same sentence.
Sorry: I love ya, Jericho, but even I (noted WWE-critc and indie/international wanker-hater) thing your huge announcement deserves zero press in favor
of emphasizing WWE's huge announcement... you know, the one where they signed Mistico and renamed him Sin Rostra (so that they now have a "Two
Face" and a "No Face" on the roster, both hailing from Mexico), and I barely stifled a yawn, as I await the day he actually -- you know? -- shows up
on TV and starts doing something worthwhile.
But I digress...
Rick
If Dos Caras is "Two Face" how can Sin Rostro be "No Face", wouldn't that be Sin Caras? So Caras and Rostro both mean "face"?
Either way, I'm not feeling that name at all. I mean this is a MAJOR branding decision for Mistico and that's all he can come up with.
Rey Mysterio is "King of Mystery" and now we have "Without a face/Faceless", and "Two Faces"...
Either way I don't think it will matter in that I don't think Mistico will last long in the wwe. He thinks that since he was big shit in
Mexico and Alberto Del Rio was a midcard act, that he should automatically be ahead of ADR and a top guy.
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Since he got kicked in the skull he could do something where he is slowly forgetting things, like holds and what not, who people are etc. But maybe it comes and goes. He is of course in total denial.
Wwe is announcing Mistico as Sin Cara - No Face. I wonder if Sin Rostro was used at first and they found there was already a trademark, or if
somebody heard the translation being "No Face" and when they re-translated it it became "Sin Rostra"
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/sincarajoinswwe
I wonder what Hunico feels about this, being in FCW for a year and Sin Cara going straight to the main roster.
I think the wwe probably should have paid for the Mistico name and trademark silver mask.
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Sounds like this dude will debut on Smackdown
You make a valid point there, Rick. VH-1 Regular plays nothing but the most horrible of reality/dating shows all day long. Kind of like E! does, come
to think of it. Anyhow, I don't have VH-1 Classic as Comcast seems to think that channel belongs in a more expensive package, but would I be
correct in assuming that mostly music videos, Storytellers, and the occasional episode of Pop-Up Video is what they play?
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Originally posted by nobledictator
Sounds like this dude will debut on Smackdown
Considering Alberto Del Rio doesn't like that another Mexican wrestler was brought in as he wants to be the next Mexican Superstar, I wonder if Mistico is rubbing it in his face by calling himself Sin Cara, given ADR is Dos Caras in Mexico. Mistico is "No Face" and ADR was "Two Faces"...
As a part-time lurker and someone who's only paid attention here and there since 2005, I'm going to risk an observation.
What the WWE does is something different from every other wrestling promotion. It is heavily TV-based. Anyone who works for them has to learn how to
work their specific, TV-friendly style, which I suspect from my limited experience (never worked with them, only with people who have) is
substantially different from wrestling live, or even anyone else's TV style. Some people are naturally better suited for TV than in-arena, or at
least might need more training, aside from their technical wrestling skills.
I chime in only because I'm reminded of this dude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Evans_%28actor%29
I think it was in one of Mick Foley's books that he talked about that to some extent. Basically when you're wrestling in an arena with no television you're selling to the people in the back row, so you don't have to work as tight, but you really have to oversell everything to make sure the people in the back can tell what is going on - oversell punches, slams etc, as well as facials. However when you work television it's much different as you got to work much tighter as the camera being so close will see if you're pulling your punches too much and missing etc. Also you don't have to oversell for the back row because it looks phony as hell to the zoom lense of the camera.
Wow. For a thread with this title, it sure contains a TON of off-topic (yet highly informative) material.
May I, for a moment, direct us back to the "Sin Rostro" vs. "Sin Cara" issue, and why there was initial confusion? If I may, then I'd just like
to posit that this thread needs more Super Karate Monkey Death Car. *
And about VH-1 Classic: you've got it about right. Every single thing they air has something to do with music, at least, unlike VH-1 Regular and
MTV, which are almost utterly unwatchable by self-respecting humans (MTV2 can still be counted on to still have a little bit of good stuff, though).
VH-1 Classic will most often have either live music (canned stuff like "Storytellers," but lots of other shows from venues of widely varying sizes,
and from widely varying timeframes, up to the present day) or documentaries about bands of significance. After that, you'll actually get videos
for parts of the day (and they pre-warn you by packaging the sucky ones into hour long "Billy Joel's Top 10"). They also have a few movies in the
rotation that are memorable for soundtracks, with "Breakfast Club" being a crappy one and "Blues Brothers" being a good one.
I am not ashamed to say VH-1 Classic and it's increasing innacurate name (you can see videos of "War Pigs" right up through "White Limo") became
my most favorite music channel about 2-3 years ago, upending the rapidly-spiralling Fuse (for which I had such high hopes when it debuted).
Thus ends my contribution to the multiple digressions of this thread.
Rick
* Ten shiny OO FunBucks to the first person to CORRECTLY explain the Super Karate Monkey Death Car Theory, and how it applies to this topic.
Bonus FunBucks for casually commenting how Mistico is Mexico's leading Macho Business Donkey Wrestler, or adding a Hulu.
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Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
I think the wwe probably should have paid for the Mistico name and trademark silver mask.
Rick-
Super Karate Monkey Death Car is the theory when you switch something from English (or any language, I suppose) to another language, then back to
English again. As far as Macho Business Donkey Wrestler is concerned... unless Mistico is Jimmy James under a mask, I'm not sure on that one...
It's a shame they went with "Sin Cara" instead of "Sin Rostro". The two mean roughly the same thing literally, but "rostro" has a bit more of a poetic feel to it, and definitely conveys something more mysterious. I think I remember "El Hombre sin rostro" being used as a tag-line for the old Lone Ranger TV show, so maybe that gives a bit of the flavor of why I find that version of the name better. Also, for some reason Sin Cara just doesn't sound particularly good, maybe it's something about the sond of the vowels or something. More than likely, though, this guy will just get the Ultimo Dragon treatment and be gone after a short while.
^I agree. I didn't like Sin Rostro, but I like it helluva lot better than Sin Cara. I think it might be because Cara is a girls name.
In the very least wwe should bastartize it into one word/name - Sincara.
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Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
In the very least wwe should bastartize it into one word/name - Sincara.
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Originally posted by Matte
I think I'd prefer them at least keep his name meaning something. Sin Cara = no face/faceless (or whatever it translates to). It might not be the best name choice, but I think it's better than a bastardized Spanish name that doesn't translate into anything (Sincara).
I also agree that "Sin Rostra" has a much more manly-yet-poetic feel to it than calling the guy "Cara."
Going back to the confusion/reporting-of-both-names, is anybody here fully immersed/fluent in Mexican Spanish? Even if they two words mean basically
the same thing, there's GOT to be some kind of subtle (or even colloquial) difference between the two. Sort of like how I choose my words
carefully, and thus Randy Orton is "retarded" while Glenn Beck is a "dipshit" (and there is a very important distinction, even if both boil down to
variants on "stupid"), I assume there's a reason for having the two words, and they aren't entirely equivalent to a Mexican audience.
Any help out there, OO Nation?
Or are the two really exactly the same, and we really did just have us an instance of Super Karate Monkey Death Car Syndrome hit the rasslin'
press yesterday? *
Rick
* Kudos to the new guy for knowing what Super Karate Monkey Death Car Syndrome is. Fie on all the rest of you tenured slackers for not having
intimite knowledge of the most underrated sitcom of the 90s.
I think saying he's going to get the Ultimo Dragon treatment is incredibly premature for a guy who hasn't debuted yet. I realize WWE didn't really use Ultimo like they could/should have, but wasn't the story that he was generally uncooperative anyway? And then when he fell and busted his face during his entrance at WM20 it was just sort of a mutual decision to part ways?
I'm actually assuming that they will use him "Ultimo Dragon" style, and be presently surprised if they don't. I think it goes without
saying that WWE's track record of using crusierweights is not exactly stellar. I mean sure, you can say Mysterio, but they use him as a
heavyweight anyway.
Also, according to Rajah.com, Sin Cara means "faceless"
http://rajah.com/base/node/21962
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Any chance the wwe rips off his CMLL entrance music, or at least mimics it rather than giving him the usual wwe entrance music treatment?
This shit would be epic -
Going back to the confusion/reporting-of-both-names, is anybody here fully immersed/fluent in Mexican Spanish? Even if they two words mean basically
the same thing, there's GOT to be some kind of subtle (or even colloquial) difference between the two. Sort of like how I choose my words
carefully, and thus Randy Orton is "retarded" while Glenn Beck is a "dipshit" (and there is a very important distinction, even if both boil down to
variants on "stupid"), I assume there's a reason for having the two words, and they aren't entirely equivalent to a Mexican audience.
Any help out there, OO Nation?
Muchos grassyass for the distinction. Next time WWE hires a hot up-and-coming Eurotrash sensation and gives him a German name, I'll delve into my
4 years of high school deutsche to pay back the favor.
And from the looks of things, it seems "rostro" would also have been the more apt choice from a language/meaning perspective, as well as from the
phoenetic/how-it-sounds perspective. Unless this can somehow be taken to refer to the "face" on his mask, rather than his real face under the mask...
would that make sense? The importance of the masks in Mexico means that while Mistico's real, human features remain, the highly significant
design of his outer face-housing was wiped clean, and he's beginning with a blank slate in WWE?
Have I just nailed it, or am I just over-thinking the whole thing?
Rick
Monty, thanks for the youtube video -- that entrance music owns. I could see a huge theatrical show going along with it. My only issue with it also deals with the discussion on how they plan to use Mistico. That entrance screams 'main event', and WWE may not plan to use him that way. If they keep that, then it'll show the company's future plans for him. If they give him the jobber metal entrance instead, then likewise.
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- Jim Ross noted on Twitter this morning that Sin Cara is already in Los Angeles working on his WWE debut. Ross said that WWE has high hopes for the former Mistico including a major "rollout" on TV.
Ross wrote:
"WWE has high hopes 4 Sin Cara. He has many new masks. Major TV 'rollout.' He's 27 & has op 2 b a main eventer. A flyer, offensive innovator. Ppl need to see how Sin Cara performs b4 condeming wwe 4 "pulling him down." That's just dumb. See how things playout then offer opinion."
JR speculates that Cara will be debuting on the RAW brand.
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Originally posted by gambit3
So here I go....
"cara" is a more generic term, meaning closer to "face" as in, the outer surface of something.
"rostro" refers more specifically to a human face. It's kind of like the difference between "house" and "home". The former can be used in a generic sense to describe anything that surrounds something else (i.e., the plastic cover surrounding your router), whereas the latter refers to something far more personal.
Also, you are right in the sense that Sin Rostro is better phonetically than Sin Cara. In Spanish, there are many words that begin with "sin-", and not necessarily as a prefix:
sinfonia
sintonia
siniestra
sinonimo
The hard "R" of "Rostro" breaks that flow, marking them as two separate words.
Albert of the River isn't a much better translated name either when you think about it. Either is Eddie Warrior, Chavo Warrior and Vickie
Warrior.
King of Mysteries is pretty good though.
I still hope Mistico changes the "Sin Cara" name, but it's probably too late. I mean if this is the best he could come up with, when he had
years to do it, as the kids say these days "epic fail". Somebody needs to tell him that Cara is a girls name in America.
That finisher looks really cool. I'm actually fairly excited to see this kid- surprised that Ross thinks he's coming to Raw, though. Wouldn't Smackdown be the better fit?
Gotta love that intro music. WWE should definitely try to rip it off and not give him generic rock or generic mexican guy music. I am also highly in favor of getting more and more wrestlers with masks back on the tv. Flashy characters, not cartoon characters (another pair of words with subtle but important differences) are one of the things that always made wrestling fun to me.
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Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
I still hope Mistico changes the "Sin Cara" name, but it's probably too late. I mean if this is the best he could come up with, when he had years to do it, as the kids say these days "epic fail". Somebody needs to tell him that Cara is a girls name in America.
So ... let's recap:
ADR = Two faces
Mistico = No Face
Cody Rhodes = Broken Face
Rey = Face breaker (Cody and UT)
You make a tag match out of that, and the heels actually have "two faces" on the team.
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Originally posted by wings76fan
So ... let's recap:
ADR = Two faces
Mistico = No Face
Cody Rhodes = Broken Face
Rey = Face breaker (Cody and UT)
You make a tag match out of that, and the heels actually have "two faces" on the team.
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Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Somebody needs to tell him that Cara is a girls name in America.
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Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
That finisher looks really cool. I'm actually fairly excited to see this kid- surprised that Ross thinks he's coming to Raw, though. Wouldn't Smackdown be the better fit?
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Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Albert of the River isn't a much better translated name either when you think about it. Either is Eddie Warrior, Chavo Warrior and Vickie Warrior.
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a chromatic end-blown flute traditionally played throughout Azerbaijan, Turkey, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Albania, Kosova, southern Serbia, northern Greece, Romania (caval), and Armenia. The kaval is primarily associated with mountain shepherds throughout the Balkans and Anatolia.
Well, Mistico said that he choosed the name to pay reverence to the masked tradition in the mexican lucha libre.
So, apparently, the WWE didn't have an important part in the name (apart from accepting the name)
So it's official that Jericho is on Dancing with the Stars. I really hope he breaks out a list of all the dances he knows how to do with "Paso Doble" listed 15 times.
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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
Rostro is better, but there's like, three people on the roster who could pronounce it correctly. Cara is probably the better choice, as it won't be as butchered when said in an American accent.
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Originally posted by ThePunisher
So it's official that Jericho is on Dancing with the Stars. I really hope he breaks out a list of all the dances he knows how to do with "Paso Doble" listed 15 times.