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Author: Subject: 2010 = Final Year of The Undertaker?
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posted on 1-27-2010 at 06:48 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
2010 = Final Year of The Undertaker?

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Undertaker Injury News: Surgery Possible, Long Term Future Update
- January 27, 2010

One of WWE�s biggest stars could be winding down his career after Wrestlemania 26.

The Undertaker was said to be hurting badly on recent house show tours, favoring his hip that he has had trouble with for years.

The Undertaker�s last hip surgery was said to be a �last resort� before a full hip replacement surgery, which would be the end of a regular wrestling career.

There is no official word on any upcoming time off or surgery, but reports are that the Undertaker will start to phase down his schedule after WrestleMania 26, going to a more part-time role.

While most people don�t believe �Taker will ever fully return, many believe that 2010 could be the last year he is a day to day part of WWE TV.

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter


I'll kick off the inevitable discussion of who, if anyone, should end "The Streak." I assume if they're going to pull the trigger on it, it will be this year or next, at the latest.

Personally, I would like to see it stay in tact. I think it has been such an awesome piece of Wrestlemania year after year and Mark should be allowed to take it with him into retirement, should he so choose.

I know a lot of people want to see it broken by a "young star" who "could use the huge push that would result from it!!" Here's my problem with that - What if said "young star" ends up totally sucking in the ring and on the mic and squanders the rub that such a win would give him? The streak will have been broken for nothing.

Which is why I stand by my feeling that, if it has to be broken, I'd like to see HBK be the one to do it. Sure no big-time rub would result from it but it would be two of the greatest of all-time tangling in the ring one last time and I'd be fine with one of the greatest of all-time getting beat by someone of equal stature. Then they could share a man-hug of mutual admiration afterward, warm fuzziness would abound, and everyone goes home happy.





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posted on 1-27-2010 at 07:38 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I don't think the streak should be ended either, for the same reasons you said. There was that rumor that Ted DiBiase would be the one to end it. I mean, seriously? Come on... that would be totally shitty and do nothing for him in the long run, other than something he could reference in a promo every so often.

Obviously if this really is his last hurrah, then Survivor Series would be the perfect time for him to have his last match, since it would be exactly 20 years since his debut.





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I think if he does leave, he needs to be the first big name to leave and stay gone, not come back and leave and come back and leave over and over again.

I loved Ric Flair growing up, fun as hell to watch. Same with Hulk Hogan. But the longer they stay about the more my memories get a bit tarnished and I wonder...why not just leave gracefully.

If Taker can do that, maybe even become the new Freddie Blassie (Office worker/goodwill guy) than that's ok by me. But if he "retires" only to heal up after 3 years to come back..than leave again after a year...that's just wrongness.





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I think if he does leave, he needs to be the first big name to leave and stay gone, not come back and leave and come back and leave over and over again.

I loved Ric Flair growing up, fun as hell to watch. Same with Hulk Hogan. But the longer they stay about the more my memories get a bit tarnished and I wonder...why not just leave gracefully.

If Taker can do that, maybe even become the new Freddie Blassie (Office worker/goodwill guy) than that's ok by me. But if he "retires" only to heal up after 3 years to come back..than leave again after a year...that's just wrongness.


I fully agree with this. I've actually been coming up with scenarios in my head where Taker will be retired for a few years, then some youngster will come along and challenge him to one last match at Wrestlemania and then that's when the streak would end. I guess if it was going to happen, I could halfway agree with this way, since Taker will be fully over the hill by then and it wouldn't be like he's in his prime trying to keep the streak going (not that he's exactly in his prime now).

Actually now that I think about it, fuck it, I wouldn't even want to see that happen. In no small part because I agree that once he retires, please, for the love of God, stay retired.





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Someone here once said that at this point keeping the streak in tact is a bigger feat than breaking it. I agree. Let him have it, give him whatever off screen office work he wants, if any, and have him gone with something no on else will ever touch.





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All this retirement talk makes me wonder, how will Taker dress for his HOF induction? I'm hoping for full-on Ministry of Darkness Taker.
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I want to see an "I'm sorry, I love you" retirement tombstone from Kane at Wrestlemania.

The image of that being said with Kane's head smooshed by Undertaker's thighs would be amazing.





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Going into the future, young guys can get a push out of the streak without it ever being broken - just have a heel who wins, say, his first two Mania matches make a big deal about how he's totally going to be the guy to erase Taker's legacy and that's a ready made storyline (with which Taker could come back to be involved as a guest ref or cornerman or something).

I think if there's a really compelling reason why you need either HBK this year, or somebody else next year to break the streak, you could definitely do it... but there's no need to break it just for the sake of breaking it. Hell, at this point a young guy can get a rub from almost breaking the streak, like Orton did a few years back.

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Something on top of what I said, but I didn't want to ex post facto it.

Taker, from everything I've read on the interwebs, seems like a guy who has managed to diversify a little bit. He owns 3 million dollar upscale office building in Colorado, from what I understand has his fingers in a few bike shops. Basically, as long as these things pan out, he should be comfortable for the rest of his life without wrestling. He might get the itch to, but he probably won't HAVE too.

Ric Flair is already on his 4th marriage, barely more than a year after he got divorced for a 3rd time. His biography also had me questioning a lot of his money saving things. Like spending 20 grand on robes.

Hogan, depending on who you believe, missed out on a huge money making opportunity and we're not all using Hogan's Lean Mean Grilling Machine. He also had to support his daughter's singing career and son's drift car "career" as well as a nasty divorce.

These two guys seem like they NEED the money. Foley..maybe he does, but I get the feeling from him he does it out of fun more than anything else. I'm sure the paycheck doesn't hurt.

But, like I said, Taker seems like he had a decent head on his shoulders about his money and won't have to come back to it, unless he gets nostaglic.





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I think the only way ending the streak makes sense is if it is a young guy who is on the verge of main event status. Christian is in that sort of place, but isn't young enough and WWE obviously doesn't quite believe in him. 8 months ago CM Punk would have made sense but I think at this point he is established enough to be a main eventer for as long as wwe wants him to be.

The closest thing in WWE right now for me would be the Miz. Dude has improved so much I can totally see him being a main eventer and he has the mic skills to really capitalize on it.

As far as retirement goes, Taker can stick around as long as he wants and I won't complain. I just hope, as others have said, he just stays retired once it happens.





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Taker should keep the streak, its as simple as that. The rub it would give whoever, would be akin to Jericho being the first undisputed champ, after a while, it wont matter that they beat him.

Taker should bow out with grace, do a final match at SS, or WM if he can last that long..Man, Taker retiring at WM after a final match, with streak intact would be great. No stipulation match...no stupid loser retires match or whatever.





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Double post, sorry.

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There is no official word on any upcoming time off or surgery, but reports are that the Undertaker will start to phase down his schedule after WrestleMania 26, going to a more part-time role.



This strikes me as funny, seeing how he has basically a permanent part-time role.





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Agree to disagree with pretty much everyone. I've always held the belief that a top notch wrestler should always lose his last big match in his prime. This isn't the same thing as Hogan going over HBK in his last WWE match but more like when Hogan put over the Rock in his last meaningful WrestleMania match.

The streak is huge. And what do we know about every huge thing that has ever come up in pro wrestling history? Mostly that they are used to build up the next huge thing. I'd be less worried about the WWE puting the wrong guy over here because even they realize how important breaking the streak would be to a person's career.

I also disagree with the premise that Jericho's 'first undisputed champion" claim isn't still a big deal. He was using it to get himself over as recently as last year until he started his "best in the world" catch phrase. Say what you want about Jericho, but if a person who knows little to nothing about wrestling asks you what the big deal with Chris Jericho is, my guess is that many of you would say, "well he was the first ever undisputed champion" as one of the first things.

Getting back to the Undertaker, if a person ended the streak, then you were asked the Jericho question about him 10 years from now, regardless of it was Cena, Punk, HHH, Bourne or the Gobbleygooker your response would probably start with, "well he was the guy who ended the Undertaker's streak." Short of someone pulling a Benoit that would be the calling card of said person from now until the end of time.

The trick however is finding the right guy to do it. You need to find someone who can benifit from it, but isn't so low on the totem poll to screw up the Undertaker's legacy. And speaking of Legacy, they aren't the right options. Sure they aren't the worst options, but they aren't the best options either. The WWE really needs to do this correctly or, all of you are right, they shouldn't do it at all.

If you are looking at what the "right" options would be here are the few that I can think of.

Cena: Sorry, but he has the status to pull this off and not even the Undertaker could say that a clean loss to Cena would hurt him. However, since he is the most over guy in the company under the age of 40, there is probably little reason to do it. Also, it would instantly turn him heel (as it would for anyone) so that would compound the Cena problem. The last thing the WWE needs is to give people like all of us more reason to boo their top babyface.

Orton/HHH/HBK/Batista: Had their chances. Don't need it.

Mysterio: At the Royal Rumble? Sure. At WrestleMania? Nope. Besides, he also is too old to get a huge boost from it and I can't recall him ever being a true heel so scratch him.

Punk: Now we are talking. He is already a main eventer so you could say that he doesn't need the rub, but I could argue that he is still a notch below the first 4 guys I mentioned in the overall pecking order. He would also get an ass load of mileage out of it being as he has shown an ability to remember history (see Jeff Hardy) well after an angle has been completed. A win over Taker would cement him from main event player, to legit Hall of Famer in his prime. And I'm not talking about the Koko B Ware Hall of Famers. I'm talking top 20 of all time Hall of Famer like Randy Savage (who ironically isn't in the Hall of Fame), or Edge. He wouldn't get into the Rock/Hogan/Flair/Austin area but he would be firmly in the next flight of rarified air.

Christian: Most of us seem to agree that Christian has been making chicken salad out of chicken shit for years now. While it wouldn't give him as much of a rub as it would Punk, it would firmly cement him into the main event. And from a historical standpoint it would probably put him into the Rey Mysterio-Eddie Guererro area right outside the top 20 or so. The rub wouldn't last very long however because he probably has less then 5 years of top level matches in him, but it's still a solid option. Also, you could play it as Christian waiting 10 or 15 years for revenge since the Undertaker turned on The Brood. Probably not, but you could. Regardless, Christian would be a fine option.

Jericho or Show: Too old, don't need it.

Miz or Morrison: I'm a huge fan of The Miz, and Morrison is a great worker, and if we had this conversation in 2 years my tone might be different, but they are probably too low in the pecking order for The Undertaker to do the job to them.

Sheamus: Yes. It would work, but it would have to be next year and only if you gave him an entire year as the WWE Champ. If you Goldberged him until 2011 right through Orton/Cena/HHH etc then yes. Sheamus over the Undertaker at that point would solidify Sheamus as the next Undertaker. And then you could have Sheamus go on a long streak run to basically pick up the same angle for himself. Granted this would take a LOT of work, but it could effectively make Sheamus's career.

Drew McIntyre: See Sheamus. Frankly I think McIntyre has even more upside. Looking like HHH and being the size of Kane means this guy is going to be a future World Champion just like they keep saying, however for this to work he needs a Goldberg-like push too.


Maybe I am missing someone, but I think that is pretty much it. Within the next 2 years I see the best options of doing it either being Punk or Christian this year, or Sheamus or McIntyre next year.

Lastly, win lose or draw on the streak in 20 years when someone asks you what the big deal about the Undertaker is I don't see his place in history being effected. If the answer is "he was undefeated at WrestleMania" then great. If it is "he had the longest WrestleMania winning streak of all time" then that is good too. Personally, I'll just say that he was the greatest American professional wrestler in history above 6 foot 6 who outshined one of the lamest gimics of all time to be firmly planted at #5 on the all time list. Right behind Hogan, Flair, Austin and The Rock. Winning or losing his last match won't change that.





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posted on 1-28-2010 at 08:22 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The touchy-feely part says that The Streak should retire intact the same day that 'Taker does. The reality of the douchiness of sports entertainment says otherwise. There's the faint chance that HBK breaks the streak this year, but most likely or Cena does it in 2011. I think the latter to be most likely. Cena, as much that most of us usually deride him, is WWE's go-to guy for the big splashy moments and will probably remain so for the immediate future. Plus there's never been a major Cena-Taker feud, or at least not one that I can recall. So, take the belt off of Taker sometime after Mania this year (probably by Batista, have it tossed back and forth on SD between Bats/Edge/Jericho/Mysterio/Punk/etc.), let Taker spend most of this year resting up, make up an excuse to move him to RAW (where he hasn't been far a long time and Cena sure ain't going back to SD any time soon) and put the wheels in motion to warm up the feud with Cena for Mania 2011.

There's no way any up-and-comer in the Swagger/Seamus/DiBiase mold will be the one to take it off of Taker. It has to be done by someone at the very top of the card, and I won't blame Taker one bit if he uses up every last bit of his backstage influence to make sure that it only occurs this way.





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I think the streak is a giant load of nothing.

For as long as Taker's career continues it serves as cheap heat machine on his matches. The day he retires its useless. Taker gains and loses nothing from it. Whether he retires undefeated at WM or with 1 loss won't affect his legacy one little bit.

If a wrestler beats him for it then he still won't amount to a thing if he doesn't get good booking and do good work beyond that. Its just as much a crutch for the new guy as it is Taker.

So in the end I just don't care. The only value the thing has is that you can stick Taker in any random match with a guy like HBK and people will spend months wondering if HBK will end the streak, giving the match some kind of meaning. But once its over, its over.

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Well Broiler, you make some good points. But I think the only thing you said that might work and go over with the fans is Sheamus being Goldberg for a whole year, and I'm not even sure that would go over all that well.

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Going into the future, young guys can get a push out of the streak without it ever being broken - just have a heel who wins, say, his first two Mania matches make a big deal about how he's totally going to be the guy to erase Taker's legacy and that's a ready made storyline (with which Taker could come back to be involved as a guest ref or cornerman or something).


Like the Honk-o-meter! Except it could be serious and get real heat. "I could beat the Undertaker today, I could beat the Undertaker in his prime, I can beat the Undertaker tomorrow, next month, next year, next friggin lifetime but he's too scared to get out of his retirement home rocker and face me, so I'll just have to be content with breaking his streak!" Boo!~





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I posted it before I post it again. I think the streak can be a career resurrecter. With that said I think Shelton Benjamin would gain so much with a win over UT.

Im of the opinion that Kane at some point deserves a clean win over the Undertaker. Kanes lack of being able to beat him fairly. Im of the mind that Undertaker has always been Kanes glass ceiling.

If its Cena it needs to start a epic heel turn.

CM punk is logical but the WWE put the breaks on him for some reason.

I keep reading that Taker - Cena next year... I am of the mind that next year there is a slight shot of Rock vs Taker. I say this listening to Rocks interviews. If he was to wrestle it would be a special situation. Rocks character would be all about breaking UT's streak. Rock in his interview seemed like he wanted to work with older guys...reading between the lines I bet its UT.

That gives them 2 years to figure out who to give the streak to ....if UT is still wrestling at that point.

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Hadn't thought of Cena as a heel turn but that's interesting. (i.e. if he won MitB, then cashed it in right after Taker lost a grueling match to say, HBK).

Had a conversation about this earlier, and I'm starting to think, "let him retire with the streak." Have him wrestle Punk this year. Build up Punk's entourage, all of them convinced he will show us the way to salvation by beating the evil one. Then, when he loses, it sets the stage for everyone to bail on him.

Of course, his last WM should be memorable, because you know it will end up on the Undertaker DVD three years from now.

If not Jericho for the aforementioned reasons, or Cena, the only other person I could think is HBK. The thought we had earlier was if they wrestled this year, and HBK won, they could set up the "rubber match" for WM 27, where the loser retires (and then something happens that causes both to lose

Final thought: If Taker wins, then someone cashes in MitB on him after the "regular" WM match ... would that count against the Streak?

Personally, even if he goes part-time, I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps doing WM until he gets to 20-0.

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Hadn't thought of Cena as a heel turn but that's interesting. (i.e. if he won MitB, then cashed it in right after Taker lost a grueling match to say, HBK).



Great plan. Take the 2 biggest starmaking opportunities and waste them on the biggest star in the company.

And can we all stop talking about a Cena heel turn? It's not happening. Tribute for the Troops included a special Cena tribute video, which got reaired on RAW, and Cena's the guy that they chose to narrate their publicity video. He is in Hogan/Warrior territory and will never turn unless he switches companies.

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Cena could turn heel.

Rock turned heel and it didnt hurt anyone. Granted his heelishness was because he "shunned" wrestling for Hollywood...and Rock was easily a bigger star than Cena, in my opinion anyway.

Cena is nowhere near Hogan levels of babyface and Hogan still turned heel..

But you are correct it wont happen, now. But in the future, sure.

Id like Cena to turn heel...something needs to change.





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Rock turned heel once he was no longer really affiliated with WWE (certainly not the face of WWE) and they probably weren't even selling any Rock merchandise. (And that heel turn lasted a month? 2 months? before he was being cheered again)

Hulk didn't turn until he joined another company, where he wasn't the top babyface.

No, Cena is not at the popularity of Hogan, but he is WWE's Hogan of the moment. That is, he is their top babyface, probably their top merch guy, and the guy they use as the face of the brand. Until someone else comes along to replace him, he will almost certainly remain a face.

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Cena sells a lot of children's merchandise (heck, my 8-year old has Cena swimming trunks). And he's not turning anytime soon. More than anything, I'd say his promo Monday night sealed his babyface status for quite sometime. But, who's to say that in three years or so he's gotten stale? Remember that Hogan went to WCW as a face and was such for a few years before Hollywood. Who's to say that in a few years when Taker decides he's done for good that the time may be right for a Cena change then?
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posted on 1-30-2010 at 07:13 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Cena sells a lot of children's merchandise (heck, my 8-year old has Cena swimming trunks). And he's not turning anytime soon. More than anything, I'd say his promo Monday night sealed his babyface status for quite sometime. But, who's to say that in three years or so he's gotten stale? Remember that Hogan went to WCW as a face and was such for a few years before Hollywood. Who's to say that in a few years when Taker decides he's done for good that the time may be right for a Cena change then?
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posted on 1-31-2010 at 05:15 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I like the idea of Taker retiring with the streak. I think it will get more milelage to have someone chase the streak rather than having someone break it. HBK really doesn't need it, but he's probably the only one to deserve it. Cena would probably get booed out of the building if he broke the streak, but only by the same guys who boo him now. I could see Shemus or McIntyre getting a fairly decent rub from breaking Taker's streak but I don't know how long they would be able to milk it. The danger of breaking the streak is that it will automatically take away one of the Wrestlemania draws. I guess if Taker really is retiring then it wouldn't matter, but I could see him coming back every Mania just to defend the streak...at least for a few more years.
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