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Subject: OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for... TNA Impact: The War Begins Again (March 8, 2010)
OORick
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 07:21 AM
OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for... TNA Impact: The War Begins Again (March 8, 2010)
OO Nation: All discussion pertaining to Impact (airing March 8, 2010) should be done in this thread. It will remain pinned at the top of the
Current Events section for the remainder of the week. In discussing the program, we'd love it if you shared your numerical rating for
the show (from a low of 0.0 to a high of 5.0, in any increment of one-tenth of a point). For full details on the ratings scale and how to join in on
this informal "Battle of the Brands," please be sure to check out the OOfficial
Guidelines for TV Ratings/Discussion Threads.
Tonight on Impact: Just go read http://www.oowrestling.com/columns/oo/20100307.shtml for a killer double-preview of tonight's
head-to-head rebeginining of the Monday Night War (may contain some mild spoilery bits, but not really). Also if anybody else wants to add more
specific previewy stuff as the day goes on and things are announced, go nuts and post away; same goes for Lucky or others who want a more TNA-centric
preview about the actual show, instead of about the War.
The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Let your voice be heard and your thoughts on Brand Supremacy be known. Don't wait till after 11pm to post,
either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings." -- Venus Flytrap speaking on The Rick
gordiano
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 09:31 AM
Fuck, Bubba and The Nasty Boyz are still around? Not gonna lie.....huge fucking turn off. RVD is one of my favorites, so hopefully that will offset
any suck Bubba and the Nastiez bring.
Either way, I'll at least DVR TNA, and not sure if I'll even watch Raw at all.
ThePunisher
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 03:27 PM
I guess something big is gonna happen in the first five minutes.
My guess is that dude that TNA just signed. ;-)
DKBroiler
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 04:15 PM
I'm very interested in tonight all the way around. I'm actually planning on watching TNA and DVRing Raw more or less just to throw 1
more grenade into the first skirmish of the war. It's not that I'm even choosing sides. I just think that a small win for TNA is simply
a win for all wrestling fans.
With that said I sit here mostly wondering about the first 5 minute promise from TNA. What does everyone think that they should do with it? And
possibly a better question would be what would make the biggest (sorry for the pun) impact on the casual audience?
Part of me is hoping that Steve Austin randomly shows up 1 week before he guest hosts Raw. That's probably just a pipe dream but I can't
think of anything that would have a bigger jaw dropping factor then that short of stealing one of the advertised WrestleMania main eventers.
I wouldn't put anything past Bischoff.
[Edited on 3-8-2010 by DKBroiler]
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1) Draft Joe Mauer
2) Pitching is Underrated
3) Read Eric Karabell and do the exact opposite.
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5) There are however, 35 guys worth taking at 3... including Joe Mauer.
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 04:38 PM
I think it's probably going to involve "that guy" debuting.
Unfortunately, I share the concern that others have expressed that he's just going to end up getting shuffled in with the rest of the guys that
aren't doing a whole lot right now.
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
firewoman
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 04:45 PM
Okay, as someone who wasn't paying attention at all to wrestling during Monday Night Wars I, and doesn't have the basis for
comparison...
It seems to me that WCW "lost" said war, so the question I have is how does TNA as it is compare to WCW as it was, and what does TNA have to do to
not suffer the same fate?
[DevSop] god your sex life scares me
[SeamusMcNasty] And that is why I hate the Miz. He's got potential, but he just doesn't live up to it. Unlike Randy Orton, who has no
potential and lives right up to that.
MHJ: "if it is kinky, depraved, erotic, or a fetish, you will find it"
theflammabledouchimal: By the way, I heard that house shows have Morrison and Mcintyre teaming up to take on the team of Baretta/Croft, with Jericho
as special ref.
theflammablemanimal
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 05:09 PM
Just read The Rick's column and I'm wondering if I'm going to lose my Mr. Negativity crown.
Pope is Kofi-lite? Because he actually has mic skills and the ability to do more than just bounce around the ring?
austin_83
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 05:32 PM
Love the Pope's mic skills and in the ring, but tell me if it doesn't seem like he's channeling Dusty Rhodes in his
promos...I've been waiting for him to bust out an "if you wheeel" or refer to Impact as the "mothership"
austin_83
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 05:38 PM
WTF? Why does it say "butt viper"...lmao...how do I change that? Sorry, I'm a noob to posting
Hey yo
blackdragon
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 05:39 PM
I would mark like a ten year old if Pope added some Dusty-isms to his already awesome promos.
A ho fucks everybody. A bitch fucks everybody but you.
LuckyLopez
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quote:Originally posted by firewoman
Okay, as someone who wasn't paying attention at all to wrestling during Monday Night Wars I, and doesn't have the basis for
comparison...
It seems to me that WCW "lost" said war, so the question I have is how does TNA as it is compare to WCW as it was, and what does TNA have to do to
not suffer the same fate?
Trying to pick out winners and losers in the way is kinda iffy. Nitro ultimately lost, but that has more to do with internal struggles than anything
else. Nitro did "win" for an extended period of time thanks to the nWo, Goldberg, Sting, etc and it wasn't until well into the Attitude era
that WWF started to get some wns of its own and then finally started to win consistently.
WCW in '96 and TNA in '10 are very different, as are WWF in '96 and WWE in '10. The most glaring issue here is that when
Nitro debuted it had a huge advantage over RAW. RAW was a program taped every other week and featuring predominently midcard and squash matches.
This was well before the days of "pay per view" matches being on TV and back when main events only wrestled on special occassions. Nitro came out
of the gate with Sting, Flair, Savage, and Hogan all wrestling, a whole new game. They also went live every week, including unchallenged in the first
week as RAW wasn't on that night. We have basically the exact opposite deal here with RAW live every week and Impact alternating weeks. They
also pulled off a major shock (TRULY a major shock) by having Lex Luger debut less than 24 hours after he had been on a WWF PPV.
There's other factors. WCW was a stronger brand at the time than TNA is, having been around for decades and having a real presence in the south
as one of the few survivors of the death of the territories. Nitro was able to showcase a host of young talent never before seen by the mainstream
fan like Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, and Mysterio. And while you can probably make a case TNA has some of that with AJ, Joe, Pope, Morgan, Wolfe,
whoever its tough to really compare them in hindsight to some legends. WCW was also able to go adult and mature in a way WWF refused to, which may
actually be the biggest thing 2010 has in common with 1996.
But, no, TNA is not at the moment equipped to topple WWE. I'd be shocked if their rating tonight is in the same stratosphere as RAW's.
And it took the nWo, a truly unique and historic idea, to really propel Nitro into #1 so TNA ain't getting there but they won't even fight
even like Nitro did for the first year.
quote:Originally posted by DKBroiler
I'm very interested in tonight all the way around. I'm actually planning on watching TNA and DVRing Raw more or less just to throw 1
more grenade into the first skirmish of the war. It's not that I'm even choosing sides. I just think that a small win for TNA is simply
a win for all wrestling fans.
Unless you're a Nielson home aren't you doing it the wrong way? If you are Nielson contributor then, ok, you're giving Impact a
viewer but if not then your TNA viewing is going unrecorded where someone, somewhere knows you DVRed RAW.
DevilSoprano
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 06:02 PM
If Rick really said Pope was Kofi-lite can we stop thinking his opinion is anything other than a retards?
We get it, you've become a WWE-mark and fuck TNA and god forbid anyone watch an indy and enjoy it.
What happened to the Rick who used to be an ECW fan and liked non-mainstream wrestling?
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 06:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by austin_83
WTF? Why does it say "butt viper"...lmao...how do I change that? Sorry, I'm a noob to posting
That's just your noob status. Unfortunately you're stuck with it unless
A)You post a crapload
or
B)You perform "favors" for one of the mods.
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
LuckyLopez
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 06:28 PM
Rick has ALWAYS been a WWE guy but to call him a WWE mark seems wholly unfair. ECW is the outlier and I think Rick has made his points about how at
one age he was willing to trade tapes to follow good wrestling and now he just wants what comes to him to be good. But I was reading Rick over a
decade ago as a WCW fan annoyed that his stuff was so one sided. I kept reading because I guess it wasn't a deal breaker.
Just like a couple of years ago I took Rick to task for his derisive handling of TNA, but once again, not a deal breaker. And I think it is what it
is. There are certain basic truths like the gap in production values and the basic foundation WWE has that makes TNA second class. And while
that's fine for many of us because we watch 3rd and 4th class Rick has a higher set of standards. So whatever.
I don't like the Kofi/Pope comparison nor do I like the inherrent tone or what I consider to be some basically unrepresentative comments in the
TNA preview. But I also know the fruitlessness of trying to change Rick's outlook on the world. I've just accepted it and when I saw
Rick had got the preview up early I pretty much went in expecting it. Thus is life. I enjoy and accept Rick and OO for all it is.
Its not like he's saying we can't enjoy TNA. He's just making it clear he doesn't.
firewoman
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 06:42 PM
I thought it was just as critical of RAW as it is for TNA. I get annoyed at the subtle homophobia ("OMG! AJ Styles bathed and put on a suit! Must
be Bravo!"), but whatever.
I'll probably switch between the two since TNA couldn't have done this to fit with my AT&T; U-verse installation time line. Jerks.
[DevSop] god your sex life scares me
[SeamusMcNasty] And that is why I hate the Miz. He's got potential, but he just doesn't live up to it. Unlike Randy Orton, who has no
potential and lives right up to that.
MHJ: "if it is kinky, depraved, erotic, or a fetish, you will find it"
theflammabledouchimal: By the way, I heard that house shows have Morrison and Mcintyre teaming up to take on the team of Baretta/Croft, with Jericho
as special ref.
LuckyLopez
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Yeah, he hardly talked up RAW which is why calling him a WWE mark is kind of silly. I'd argue there was a slight difference in the tone of the
two that delivered two messages, but one of them certainly wasn't "RAW is anything other than really mediocre at best at the moment." He
pretty much said that they had a badly booked main event, a terrible guest host, and very little capable of really standing out as entertaining
tonight.
But this is all silly. Its Monday Night War II day. Its a happy day.
theflammablemanimal
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 06:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by firewoman
I thought it was just as critical of RAW as it is for TNA. I get annoyed at the subtle homophobia ("OMG! AJ Styles bathed and put on a suit! Must
be Bravo!")
Are you saying Bravo is a gay network? I thought it was Queer Eye for the straight guy.
AJ also frosted his tips, so yes that at least puts him in metro status. As to what people think of metros...
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 06:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by gobbledygooker
That's just your noob status. Unfortunately you're stuck with it unless
A)You post a crapload
or
B)You perform "favors" for one of the mods.
Or call someone a Guido.
quote:Originally posted by LuckyLopez
Unless you're a Nielson home aren't you doing it the wrong way? If you are Nielson contributor then, ok, you're giving Impact a
viewer but if not then your TNA viewing is going unrecorded where someone, somewhere knows you DVRed RAW.
I know Nielson doesn't care about dvr unless you're a nielson home. Comcast may keep some record of it, I don't have any idea, but
as far as the networks are concerned, Nielson is the only game. If you don't have a nielson box, it really doesn't matter what you do.
We had a nielson box for two years and I made extra sure to watch TNA every week. I didn't, and still don't, have a dvr so I never asked
how that worked. For a vcr (in case anyone else on this board is still stuck in the 80s) they give half credit to a program you tape but they have no
way of finding out if you ever watch it. They just know you're watching something on tape.
Anyway, I'm gone monday nights so I'll set the tape before I leave for TNA. I can't imagine any reason to try to catch Raw on
youtube, but I'll let my fellow OOsters tell me otherwise tomorrow.
The "B" is for Bargain!
LuckyLopez
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 07:30 PM
I've never really paid attention to the DVR/ratings stuff. I just know that years back it started being said that they'd keep record of
who tapes what show and what shows get watched within 24 hours of being recorded. I think they kind of play into things the same way Hulu views do,
as in they might play some secondary factor but as you said Nielson ratings are still totally arbitrary king with the rest of this stuff just being
more stuff to toss at advertisers or justify poorly rated shows getting more life ("Sure, the ratings suck running against 24 but its got way more
DVR viewings than anything else does.")
But I do know that unless DK has a Nielson box then watching Impact means nothing. Right? Recording it MIGHT mean something or might not, but no one
knows that I watch Impact on my 13 inch TV tonight.
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 09:08 PM
This is from the Charlotte Observer newspaper website. Gotta love mainstream media wrestling coverage. Apparently they've changed
tonight's main event to Flair vs. Hogan only. Whatever gets people watching, I guess!
quote:Ric Flair returns to wrestling tonight
Observer Staff Reports
Posted: Monday, Mar. 08, 2010
Charlotte's Ric Flair, an icon in the professional wrestling world, is coming out of retirement tonight for a televised match against another
legendary name.
Flair is scheduled to face Hulk Hogan, in a Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) match at 9 p.m. on Spike TV. That is channel 44 for Time-Warner cable
customers in the Charlotte area.
Flair and Hogan are among a number of current or retired pro wrestlers who will participate in the TNA matches, to be carried at 9 p.m. on alternating
Mondays on Spike TV. Others include Sting, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle and A.J. Styles.
"I just missed the business, and they created a very nice opportunity for me," said Flair, a 16-time world champion who lives in south Charlotte.
Flair survived a 1975 plane crash that left him with a broken back, and he has suffered a number of other injuries. He also wrote a book, "To Be the
Man," and has released a DVD that recounts his career in pro wrestling.
[Edited on 3-8-2010 by gobbledygooker]
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
angstboy
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 09:17 PM
In fairness, it doesn't say that the match is Flair vs Hogan, it simply states that they will be facing each other in a match, which is 100%
true.
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LuckyLopez
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 09:38 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much half of what I think you're hoping for. The Charlotte Observer couldn't give a fuck about AJ Styles,
Abyss, Vince McMahon, or John Cena. It cares about Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan. Flair vs Hogan is what you hope gets people tuning in to Impact's
main event, whether that's because of their deep love for those legends of the ring or their morbid curiosity about those old men wrestling.
Hopefully what they'll find when they get there is AJ Styles, Abyss, and maybe Wolfe and Pope doing a ton of work and getting exposure and a
chance to make names for themselves off of Hogan and Flair's dime.
Whether it plays out that way or works? Who knows?
gobbledygooker
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 09:39 PM
Yeah, I guess if you're going with the utter basics of "fact." Still, they could've at least included the words "tag team" or "two
other guys will be in the ring as well" or something. At least A.J. got his name mentioned in the article. Abyss wasn't even that lucky.
I also love how Flair apparently self-released his DVD recounting his career in professional wrestling. In fairness, they may have not been allowed
to mention WWE in the article.
EDIT- Posted this right as Lucky was posting but yeah, that's pretty much what I think. And since many of the posts on the Charlotte Observer
website were along the lines of "If either of those two old guys tries to pick the other up, he'll crap his pants," I'm thinking the
morbid curiosity factor may be the draw.
[Edited on 3-8-2010 by gobbledygooker]
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
DKBroiler
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 10:25 PM
Lucky,
Thanks for clearing up the ratings thing. I stupidly assumed that Nielson changed how they do the ratings since virtually everything is digital these
days. I do not actually have a Nielson box. Oh well.
DK
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1) Draft Joe Mauer
2) Pitching is Underrated
3) Read Eric Karabell and do the exact opposite.
4) If you take someone other then Albert or Hanley with the first 2 picks you should be banned from Fantasy Baseball forever.
5) There are however, 35 guys worth taking at 3... including Joe Mauer.
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posted on 3-8-2010 at 10:50 PM
The neilsen stuff is making you guys think too much.
If you do something different than you usually do to watch TNA, then either it didn't count when you watched on Thursdays, or, it won't
count when you watch tonight.
Although I have a feeling it'll be the non-internet fans that will really make the difference with the individual ratings when all is said and
done.
