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Author: Subject: BREAKING NEWS: Smackdown! moving to Cable - Fridays on SciFi
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BREAKING NEWS: Smackdown! moving to Cable - Fridays on SciFi

(I refuse to call it by its new idiotic name)

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/04/wwes-smackdown-moving-to-syfy-.html
Syfy Channel has pinned a deal for "Smackdown."
World Wrestling Entertainment Inc's "Smackdown," which for years was a mainstay on the UPN and CW networks before moving to News Corp.'s My Network TV, is now headed to NBC Universal's Syfy Channel, people close to the situation said.

A deal, which will be announced later this week, further solidifies the growing relationship between NBC Universal and Vince McMahon's WWE. Syfy already carries the show "NXT," which is a reality program featuring wannabe wrestlers trying to make it to the big leagues of WWE. NBC Universal's USA cable channel also carries WWE programming including "WWE Raw."

Although terms were not disclosed, My Network TV was shelling out roughly $20 million a year for "Smackdown." Syfy's price tag is believed to be closer to $30 million a year.

Although "Smackdown" is more than 10 years old, it still does very well with men, particularly the 18-34 demographic, and generally averages about 3.5 million viewers overall. "Smackdown" will continue to air on Friday nights when it moves to Syfy later this year, most likely in either late September or early October.

WWE is still looking to launch its own cable network, probably sometime in 2011. This latest deal with NBC Universal is another sign that the two could end up partnering on such a channel. WWE chief Vince McMahon has close relationships with NBC Universal brass, particularly Dick Ebersol, who oversees all sports programming for the company. Just a few weeks ago, Ebersol took part in an induction ceremony for broadcaster Bob Uecker into the WWE's hall of fame, which was also broadcast as a special on the USA Network.
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Here's the thing... Friday nights is THE night for SciFi.. it's where there highest rated shows have resided for YEARS... Stargate, Battlestar Galactica, SGU, etc.
It's already trained the masses to look for their SciFi fix on Friday nights... I wonder how they'll take this...

[Edited on 4-13-2010 by gambit3]

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posted on 4-13-2010 at 04:30 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Only surprise is that I was actually expecting them to end up on WGN and move back to Thursdays. Wonder why they would stick to Fridays...don't more people watch TV on Thursdays? Or maybe they just decided to say screw it with DVR technology. Since Fridays are Sci-Fi's big ratings night, I do wonder how SD will fare on those nights.

But the whole concept of WWE having its own actual network is a joke. They don't have the same influence as they did 10 years ago to pull that off.

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I disagree with you on the WWE network. There is always an audience out there. People buy WWE on demand or whatever it's called, and there would be an audience for it. Like anyone here wouldn't turn on the WWE channel and watch whatever random matches they aired when we are bored.

As for Smackdown moving, I have to say that I'm surprised. You would think they could have gone to cable any time they wanted with Smackdown, but wanted to be on network tv. I think it's a good move overall. I do wonder about it for Syfy, because airing 2 hours of NXT and giving WWE 2 hours on Friday night gives it the stink of wrestling channel. It's not exactly like WWE is a great lead in to anything either I thought. That could have changed for USA, but I remember hearing the WWE audience didn't stick around.

Edit: apparently the WWE had to move to a Universal cable network with Smackdown. I guess it only makes sense that it moved to Syfy.

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posted on 4-13-2010 at 02:57 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I think they've finally realised that MyTV or whetever it's called is a joke 'network' with NO original programming except Smackdown, has limited markets, and it may well collapse anyway. So they were wise to move it before it all went pear shaped. The deal with them only being able to offer it to NBC Universal channels is dumb, but I question who would want it otherwise anyway.

Surely the more people that can access your show the better, and with weekend DVR viewing they should get some decent numbers.

be interesting to see how SD does against Raw now they're both cable shows. They should also move to earlier in the week - maybe Wednesday so that the spoilers aren't around for as long before the show airs.

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Smackdown! should definitely move back to Thursday Nights. And I might even say move 7-9 on Thursday's, given their PG direction and all, get more kids watching.





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Are they filming it on a sound stage that seats 1800 people?





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Only problem with Thursdays is the clash with Superstars...

Wednesdays would be good - not a strong TV night, no wrestling elsewhere, and only 1 day for spoilers to be made available.

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So does that mean I won't have to worry about Smackdown conflicting with Stargate: Universe anymore on my DVR schedule?


Yay?

I think it's a good move though. But why do I feel like it will end with Vince getting nervous and Christian getting fired for some reason?

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Reports have NXT being canceled once SD! moves to Syfy, which would be in October.

Now the wwe has said they'll try and shop the show to an other station, but I can't see NXT having any long term staying power. October would give enough time for a second season which is about as long a lifespan I think the show would have had.

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They could always air NXT on wwe.com if they really wanted to keep it alive
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Reports have NXT being canceled once SD! moves to Syfy, which would be in October.
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The Syfy president has already stated that the Friday night shows that came on Syfy are moving to Tuesday. That probably means that NXT is going to be done. At least on Tuesdays. In the thing I just read, it's moving for good on October 1. It'll still be on at 8

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I don't really care about SD moving. I watch on Hulu and it feels pretty meaningless. From what I've read the reason for the move is simple and has nothing to do with WWE being selective. MyTV offered less money than SyFy. Simple as that.

On the other hand it almost certainly is the harbinger of NXT's death and that sucks, because NXT is the first thing that has consistently interested me in WWE in a long time.





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I don't think NXT is dead. They could certainly replace Superstars with it. I'm not sure I'd be thrilled with that as the last remaining Superstars watcher on earth (Harts/Dudebusters 1 on there last week was tons and tons better than the one on Smackdown), but it remains an option instead of basically a show that just exists as another WWE hour of television. I'm sure at the very least WGN would love to have another original show on their network and 1 hour isn't really a great commitment, although I never know how it works with their Cubs/Sox coverage.

One of the news sites said Bravo is a choice to move it as it's NBC. I get Universal here, but I don't know how far that reaches in the world. A&E; wouldn't be the worst place for a one-hour wrestling show considering what some of these cable channels put on anyway.

At worst, is it really a terrible idea to put it on Hulu? I know they'd lose money on that deal with the lack of commercials, but maybe they can work something out to get two commercials or something on it. Or maybe if that subscription Hulu service happens eventually, NXT becomes part of the premium package that people pay for as a means of revenue.

Who knows? I know this has been a decent idea that I'd like to see tinkered with and allowed to try one more time at least for a second season, which this seems to allow for. It would be a shame if they actually worked out the kinks and it got cancelled.

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As best as I have gathered WWE is making a noticeable amount of its profit off of selling its TV shows. I don't pay a ton of attention to WWE's finances but after Superstars debuted I remember reading an analysis (probably from Rick) that showed that the increase in revenue WWE was boasting about to shareholders was actually 100% because of the gained rights fees from adding Superstars and actually just covered up bad losses in other areas that suggest less interest and less customers. I have no idea if that has continued or what but I'm inclined to think WWE wouldn't willingly toss away rights fees by putting a show online.

That being said I've been worried about NXT's chances for awhile because I thought I had read that it actually has been drawing lower ratings than ECW. Again, I really don't pay attention to that stuff so I could be wrong. But bad ratings combined with the inherently non-WWE nature of the show seemed like we had a bad chance of season "Season 2." And whether SyFy is moving its original Friday night programming to Tuesday or not I would assume SyFy would be more interested in getting a BETTER WWE product than adding more WWE product to their already underwhelming show that doesn't fit at all into their advertising scheme.

Mostly I just think WWE would have naturally had a short leash on NXT. A company carrying a huge rep for ignoring midcarders and not building up new guys runs a show entirely devoted to focusing on 8 rookies and getting them over. Its a novel idea but its also one that doesn't fit at ALL into WWE's long held plans of main eventers, big moments, and immediate money makers. I can see them giving it a test run to see how it goes but if its a failure ratings wise than I would think WWE's natural inclination would be to just turn it into another Superstars where they can shuffle whoever they want on it and do whatever they want it instead of devoting 4 months to 8 nobodies, at least half of whom are probably going to flame out within a year or so.

But who knows? This is the company that really does think there's a viable market out there for a WWE Network so I have no idea what their plans are.

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Isn't NXT supposed to be 16-week seasons? They've gotta be at least 9-10 weeks in on this one, so there'd be time for a second "season" before October rolls around.

I don't think it's that big a deal. They'll heavily promote the move leading up to it, and SD's audience won't lose much/anything, aside from the possibility of SyFy not being carried quite as widely as CW/MyNetwork.

But once the move is made, there will be no wrestling at all on broadcast television. Not that that really counts for anything these days, as I don't think I know anyone who has a television but not cable. Just can't remember the last time that was the case.

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Wouldn't the answer be immediately previous to Smackdown's debut?





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I mean, they could always to try to manuever a 3 hour block from Syfy and just do NXT and Smackdown back to back, right?
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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/36698985/ns/today-entertainment/

Presumably fulfilling its post-rebranding promise to �Imagine Greater,� the former Sci Fi Channel � now known as Syfy � has imagined its way right out of the niche that made the cable network.

Forget about space operas, tech dramas or B-movie monsters (except for �Mega Piranha� � never forget �Mega Piranha�), programming shake-ups reveal Syfy is ready to live up to its theme-less new name. If the recent announcement that �Top Chef� alum Marcel Vigneron would be joining the network for a cooking show called �Marcel�s Quantum Kitchen� wasn�t proof enough, Syfy�s acquisition of �Friday Night SmackDown� should be.

Not that Syfy really wants anyone catching on to that fact. Much like shoehorning the word �quantum� into the title of Vigneron�s upcoming gastronomic offering acts as a symbolic nod to traditional viewers, Syfy�s president, David Howe, hopes he can even convince fans that wrestling somehow fits the old and largely abandoned genre, too.

After all, World Wrestling Entertainment�s �SmackDown� marks �the ultimate in imagination-based sports entertainment,� according to Howe.

Heh. Nice try.

Profit first
Ultimately �SmackDown� marks the devolving of the network for a sweet, sweet slice of that 18-to-34 male demographic that sponsors love so much. That means money.

So move over, nerds! This is the jocks� table now. Or it will be come October when the �SmackDown� deal takes effect.

Of course, this is hardly the first time cable TV has seen genre-based programming pushed aside for profit. Remember when MTV was all about the music videos? Or when TLC�s educational shows lived up to the network�s full name, The Learning Channel? Maybe Howe should tune in to �Jersey Shore� or catch �19 Kids and Counting� to see where the future lies before delivering a double underhook piledriver to Syfy�s faithful audience.

Then again, given the undeniable success of those shows, maybe not.

It shouldn�t matter anyway. There�s more than one way to make a buck, and the network knows it. �Battlestar Galactica,� Syfy�s indisputable high-water mark, illustrated that during most of its run. Give sci-fi fans quality entertainment and they�ll tune in. Heck, give them subpar special effects and a good plot, and they�ll still turn in sometimes. Got some old �Star Trek: Voyager� reruns lying around? That�ll do in a pinch.

Or, you know, Syfy could always �Imagine Greater� sci-fi shows.

Shift in priorities
Nah! That�s crazy talk. Why do something like that when a proven ratings grabber and young male magnet like �SmackDown� is available? There may be little in the way of a discernible crossover audience, but who cares? It�s clearly not about the sci-fi fans.


After all, the problem isn�t simply Syfy�s addition of wrestling to its lineup. The network inexplicably welcomed wrestling years ago with �Extreme Championship Wrestling� and more recently with �WWE NXT,� but bringing the bigger budget �Friday Night SmackDown� to the schedule marks a shift in priorities.

Not only was the deal said to come at a premium price tag, with Variety estimating Syfy�s yearly �SmackDown� tab at �close to $30 million� (Yikes! Just think how many �Mansquito� spin-offs could have been produced with that dough), it also relocates the network�s Friday night block of original programming.

Yes, like it or not, all those shows now occupying prime-time nerd night, what was once the beloved �Battlestar Galactica�s� place of honor, will shuffle off to Tuesday to make room for the new two-hour block of bikini-clad men. �Stargate Universe,� �Sanctuary� and �Battlestar Galactica� prequel �Caprica� � some of Syfy�s best current content to make a date-free Friday night seem worthwhile � must simply make way for the guys with the big guns.

It�s as if the core audience, the sci-fi buffs that made the network a success to begin with, just don�t matter any more. It�s their programming that gets pushed aside. They�re the ones expected to alter their longtime viewing habits for the sake of the �Wrestlemania�-loving crowd. No one asked �SmackDown� to make a change.

Maybe they should, but they haven�t.

Imagine the possibilities
If the WWE honchos behind the show would just convince their overacting exhibitionists to don sci-fi costumes, viewers could enjoy a winning and oh-so-appropriate combination.

Just imagine hottie Drew McIntyre sporting an old-school Starfleet uniform while facing off against the beefy Kane decked out in his own reptilian finery. Bring Captain Kirk versus the Gorn captain into the wrestling ring and all complaints are off. Consider the slate clean with an Alien versus Predator matchup. Or mix it up with the Cybermen versus the Cylons � a guaranteed winner. The possibilities are endlessly entertaining.

But, as fun as it is to dream, they�re also extremely unlikely. Alas, the wrestling crowd won�t have to trade what they love for reenactments of classic or imagined sci-fi skirmishes. The outlandish antics of well-oiled good guys, bad guys and those that vacillate between extremes will continue without a hitch.

Sci-fi fans, on the other hand, can get ready to rumble, as the network they once called their own forces them to search out non-wrestling, non-cooking, non-reality TV shows amongst the increasingly sci-fi-free fare.

Ree Hines and her fellow nerdlingers plan to use space-age DVR technology to keep Syfy�s Friday night line-up intact. Follower her on Twitter at twitter.com/ReeHines and let her know your plans.
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It shouldn't matter anyway. There's more than one way to make a buck, and the network knows it. "Battlestar Galactica," Syfy's indisputable high-water mark, illustrated that during most of its run. Give sci-fi fans quality entertainment and they'll tune in. Heck, give them subpar special effects and a good plot, and they'll still turn in sometimes. Got some old "Star Trek: Voyager" reruns lying around? That'll do in a pinch.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Galactica ended because of subpar ratings and now its spinoff show is tanking badly? From what I understand science fiction is a bitch to draw an audience for and even critically acclaimed shows become more trouble than they're worth when their budgets get out of hand. As I understand it SciFi is desperately trying to make money by withholding reruns of Gallactica and overpricing the DVDs because its one of the few properties they can milk for cash.

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Yes, like it or not, all those shows now occupying prime-time nerd night, what was once the beloved "Battlestar Galactica's" place of honor, will shuffle off to Tuesday to make room for the new two-hour block of bikini-clad men. "Stargate Universe," "Sanctuary" and "Battlestar Galactica" prequel "Caprica" - some of Syfy's best current content to make a date-free Friday night seem worthwhile - must simply make way for the guys with the big guns.

Wait... isn't this a GOOD thing? Sci Fi shows are being moved OUT of the "Friday Night Death Slot" and to a night with more viewers and we're upset? For years I've heard people bitch that Fox throws its Sci-Fi on Fridays where no one watches and should move the shows to Tuesday or Wednesday to get a larger audience... shouldn't the same hold true for Sci-Fi? USA recently started spreading its programming around the week to try and compete with the larger audience, this sounds like Sci-Fi trying to do the same. Shouldn't fans of the shows be happy about the potential for larger audiences, even if it increases competition a bit?

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"It's as if the core audience, the sci-fi buffs that made the network a success to begin with, just don't matter any more. It's their programming that gets pushed aside. They're the ones expected to alter their longtime viewing habits for the sake of the "Wrestlemania"-loving crowd. No one asked
"SmackDown" to make a change.

Maybe they should, but they haven't.

Its a TV show, not your boyfriend. One show has a built in audience on Friday nights. One show is struggling to draw an audience on Friday nights. The show with the audience holds Friday nights down when the other show goes somewhere else to hopefully find a larger audience. This... am I missing something?


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Ree Hines and her fellow nerdlingers plan to use space-age DVR technology to keep Syfy's Friday night line-up intact.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Seriously? That's fucking hilarious. You love your shows so much you're going to not watch them for 3 days because watching them on Friday was so important to the viewing experience?

Look... I'm a geek. I have my niches I'm a fan of and I get hot and bothered when one of them gets shaked up or pushed aside for something more popular. But lets be reasonable here. SyFy can't be expected to float TV shows with bad ratings and high budgets... and yet they're freaking out when those same shows are getting timeslot changes while SyFy shores up Friday with a stronger ratings grabber. Why not see the bright side of this? If it all works out Caprica, Sanctuary, and Stargate Universe will see ratings boosts (no matter how terrible they are) and get longer lives. The presence of icky wrestling and cooking shows will help SyFy's bottom line and help finance those bad sci-fi shows that don't make up their cost in ad revenues or DVD sales. SyFy isn't PBS. Its not like they're making a fortune and just looking for more cash. Its a channel that largely supports itself off of those terrible original films that cost a nickel to make and bring back a dime.

At this stage I have to think that if SyFy doesn't expand their reach a lot and search out that 18-34 male demo the writer so sarcastically dismisses then they're just going to go out of business. Then you won't have sci-fi on Friday or Tuesday. There's a reason every cable network is broadening their appeal. Niche's don't sell and the shows don't come cheap.

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I don't care what channel it's on. I'll still just download it off the web or watch it on Hulu (unless they start charging).

I wonder about the shooting for the 18-24 year old audience though when the WWE is running a PG show? I wonder if the move to a cable network would make Smackdown the edgier more adult show? Probably not but I bet we get a few weeks of decent Smackdowns when the switch happens.

And as for it being on Siffy? Isn't like 90% of the shows on that channel reruns or D level crap? Battlestar was OK but it wasn't the holy grail some of these so called geeks act like it was. The last season was shit and the ending was a cop out IMO.





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I read the article, and some of the verbiage/tone of it ("hottie Drew McIntyre," as a fer-instance) gave me an fledgling idea for a joke about how -- if THIS is what dude's think/know/feel about WWE programming -- then SmackDown should have gone to Bravo, instead of SyFy.

You know: the Gay NBCU Network, instead of the Dork NBCU Network.

Then I read Lucky's post, and realized that the person who wrote that article was a girl.

I guess I have to take back my joke-fetus. Even though it feels like it probably would have grown up to be kind of a good one. WWE on Bravo is a calvacade of possibilities (some of them could involve the new Gay Biker Batista, as an example). Oh, if only the bible-thumping diptards could have their way and prevent me from having a joke-abortion. My sense of humor, my choice, dumbasses!

The sort of sad thing is: I have a lot of sci-fi dork in me, and I hate what NBCU has done to "SyFy" in both a specific AND a general way. I never got on the Battlestar or Stargate bandwagons (I sampled both, and thought both were pretty lame), but as an idea and as a source of Star Trek reruns? I liked Sci-Fi... and more generally, hell, just look at my last Monday Preview column where I talked about ratings and the reasons why WWE is tanking now (and it's not TNA). You try to go general interest "entertainment" and stop filling the "wrestling" niche, and you will LOSE VIEWERS if people realize you're BAD entertainment instead of ACCEPTABLE wrestling. Same thing that makes ESPN largely un-watchable, now. Same thing that MTV did years ago when they decided to forget what the "M" stood for and just wanted as many teenagers watching their tripe as possible.

Sometimes you make that move to "general interest" and you can trick retards into thinking you're interesting (see: "Jersey Shore"), but if you're WWE and you have this batch of writing monkeys pounding away at the typewriters, even the stupidest viewers of all times will realize you're not very compelling and prefer fucking "Dancing With the Goddamned Cocksucking Buzz-Aldrin-Raping Stars" over your product.

I wonder if the poor girl who wrote that thing even realizes that the very network she's half-criticizing and half-eulogizing is merely making the same mistake that this villianous WWE product started making 6 damned years ago, and that somehow that makes SyFy and WWE a Match Made In Heaven?

Somehow I doubt it, if she's seriously going to not watch TV shows on Tuesdays when there's nothing better to do so that she can not-go-out-and-have-fun on Fridays when there are always better things to do; that's a seriously fucked-up level of fanaticism that makes such leaps of insight (and twisted irony) impossible.

Myself: I kinda wish she gets HER wish, and those shows stay on Friday and this all washes out with SD moving back to Thursday (a night when I might actually be more likely to watch it the same night it airs), and NXT moving to Tuesdays on WGN (and Superstars being cancelled, since it sucks)... otherwise, *I* shall continue to use the Powers of DVR to try to have something approximating a life, even if it means not getting to SD until the next afternoon....


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posted on 4-29-2010 at 03:14 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The irony to the post? Big Bang Theory - a show ABOUT nerds - way outdraws the flagship of professional wrestling in ratings.

(I realize it's CBS vs. USA ... but still, shoots holes in the argument that nerds make room for jocks. Don't have the data, but I'd be willing to be BBT holds its own against MNF, depending on the teams).

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