By
contributing to Online
Onslaught,
you'll help make sure we're around for years to come. Toss us as little as
a few bucks, or as much as your generosity allows. Thanks!
Posts 12137
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline
Mood: Grieving
posted on 5-11-2010 at 12:19 AM
More Guest Host Rumors
Its never gonna end.
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/7652.html
quote:- It was posted on astronaut Buzz Aldrin's website yesterday that he will be hosting the Monday Night RAW on May 17th from Toronto. The
announcement was later removed from Buzz's website, likely so WWE can make the official announcement.
Aldrin and Neil Armstrong were the first two people to set foot on the moon back in 1969 during the Apollo 11 mission.
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/7674.html
quote:- In an update to the earlier rumor on Golden Girls star Betty White hosting an upcoming episode of RAW, there has actually been talk within
WWE this weekend of trying to get her to host.
Ignoring how sad it is that wrestling reporters felt the need to clarify who Buzz Aldrin is (and how sad it is to realize that for the average
wrestling fan Will Forte and Flavor Flav are probably more relevant)... I'm growing more and more convinced that this is just an elaborate prank
on WWE's fanbase.
C.MontgomeryPunk
Rated R Superstar
Posts 355
Registered 1-6-2010 Member Is Offline
Mood: ButtViper-y
posted on 5-11-2010 at 12:29 AM
Michael Jordan is another name being thrown around.
I guess Buzz figured Dancing with the Stars wasn't low enough for him.
What's with the Karate Kid? Mr. Myagi tells Daniel-san to whack off, and now Jackie Chan is telling Jaden Smith to Jack it off...
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
Posts 12137
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline
Mood: Grieving
posted on 5-11-2010 at 12:37 AM
I have no idea how to react to MJ, really. On one hand, he's Michael Jordan. I can't mock that. He'll be relevant in 100 years.
On the other hand the only reason I know he's alive is because I'm confident that if he had died I would have heard about it. I could get
all hung up on why he'd lower himself to wrestling but he's always been a big ole' shill and the gambling jokes write themselves.
kafkonia
Creepy Little Bastard
Posts 75
Registered 6-13-2009 Member Is Offline
Mood:
posted on 5-11-2010 at 01:09 AM
I think it's very telling about the wrestling fan mindset that I see so many people referring to hosting WWE Raw as "lowering (oneself)", even
though it's still doing respectable numbers compared to other shows and, arguably, has a more dedicated fanbase.
It's okay not to be ashamed of your wrestling fandom.
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
Posts 12137
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline
Mood: Grieving
posted on 5-11-2010 at 01:20 AM
WWE Raw is a show that regularly features the antics of a magical leprechaun. Its filled with offensive racial caricatures and very misogynistic
takes on women. The guy in charge used to bear his naked rear end to the crowd and have employees kiss it on live TV, something he enjoyed so much
that he made a cartoon about it.
Its okay not to be ashamed of your wrestling fandom. There's also a million reasons to be ashamed.
And from a basic cultural relevance status? Wrestling IS a joke. You can object to that but it IS a joke. You can deem it better than Dancing With
the Stars but in the general popular culture landscape its not. Its well, well, well below Dancing With the Stars. When WWE wrestlers compete on
Dancing With the Stars its a big deal for WWE and when that wrestler becomes very popular on that show she uses that as a way to get out of the
wrestling business for good and move on to something better. So when we say people "lower themselves" to be on a wrestling program? Its usually a
simple statement of fact. I mean, hey. I like some real trashy shit besides wrestling but if Denzel Washington appears on True Blood, he's
lowering himself. If Glenn Close guest stars on Gossip Girl, she's lowering herself. You can still enjoy True Blood and Gossip Girl if you
like, but there ARE culturally accepted levels for this stuff.
Wrestling has always and will always be a carnival side show. Especially if it continues to conduct itself in the immoral, disgusting, laughable, and
often illegal way it does.
[Edited on 5-11-2010 by LuckyLopez]
wings76fan
And I am AWESOME
Posts 125
Registered 1-2-2009 Location Somewhere along I-74 in Illinois Member Is Offline
Mood: Vintage
posted on 5-11-2010 at 02:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Michael Jordan is another name being thrown around.
I guess Buzz figured Dancing with the Stars wasn't low enough for him.
Vince thinks he's still playing ball ... gotta help him promote the Wizards now that he's the GM.
As for Buzz .... maybe one of the writer-monkeys reads OO and they were like, "Dancing with the Stars THIS asswipes..."
Joeldacat
Showstopper
Posts 527
Registered 9-10-2002 Location Savannah, GA Member Is Offline
Mood: Pocket Sugar
posted on 5-11-2010 at 02:24 AM
I for one hope that Betty White doesn't lower herself after her fun outing on SNL.
Raw is, however, right up Rue McClanahan's alley. Make it happen WWE.
Posts 12137
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline
Mood: Grieving
posted on 5-11-2010 at 02:41 AM
Ahh, see. I had no idea Buzz was on Dancing With the Stars or Betty did a think on SNL. I guess that DOES make them culturally relevant enough for
RAW and explains why they're on WWE's radar. RAW leeching off of the guest celebrities on other shows makes total sense.
kafkonia
Creepy Little Bastard
Posts 75
Registered 6-13-2009 Member Is Offline
Mood:
posted on 5-11-2010 at 03:03 AM
quote:Originally posted by LuckyLopez
And from a basic cultural relevance status? Wrestling IS a joke. You can object to that but it IS a joke. You can deem it better than Dancing With
the Stars but in the general popular culture landscape its not. Its well, well, well below Dancing With the Stars. When WWE wrestlers compete on
Dancing With the Stars its a big deal for WWE and when that wrestler becomes very popular on that show she uses that as a way to get out of the
wrestling business for good and move on to something better. So when we say people "lower themselves" to be on a wrestling program? Its usually a
simple statement of fact. I mean, hey. I like some real trashy shit besides wrestling but if Denzel Washington appears on True Blood, he's
lowering himself. If Glenn Close guest stars on Gossip Girl, she's lowering herself. You can still enjoy True Blood and Gossip Girl if you
like, but there ARE culturally accepted levels for this stuff.
[Edited on 5-11-2010 by LuckyLopez]
I think part of the issue, though, is that the guest host of RAW isn't like acting on Gossip Girl or True Blood. It's more like being the
guest host of Saturday Night Live, or appearing on the Jimmy Kimmel Show -- they're doing it for the publicity, either for themselves or for a
project they're working on. And the numbers I can find for shows like that suggest that Raw is going to give you roughly as much, or more,
exposure. Last Monday's Leno, for instance, got a 3.4, and it was the highest-rated of the late night talk shows.
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
Posts 12137
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline
Mood: Grieving
posted on 5-11-2010 at 03:35 AM
There's a simple question of who you associate with, however. A million viewers isn't equal to a million viewers. Ignoring the very
complicated discussion of demographics we're really talking about the fact that there's a very real difference between going on The
Tonight Show and going on Monday Night RAW. One is a perfectly accepted practice celebrities, politicians, and even sitting Presidents have used for
60 years. The other is a cable side show known more for its controversies and lewd behavior than anything else.
Chris Is Good517
Posts 8258
Registered 1-10-2002 Location Little Rock, AR Member Is Offline
Mood:
posted on 5-11-2010 at 07:51 AM
quote:Originally posted by LuckyLopez
I have no idea how to react to MJ, really. On one hand, he's Michael Jordan. I can't mock that. He'll be relevant in 100 years.
On the other hand the only reason I know he's alive is because I'm confident that if he had died I would have heard about it. I could get
all hung up on why he'd lower himself to wrestling but he's always been a big ole' shill and the gambling jokes write themselves.
I'm assuming this is at least half in jest, but in case you were serious he's quickly becoming a semi-prominent figure in sports again,
having become the majority owner of the Charlotte Bobcats, who just finished at a respectableish 44-38 and made their first ever playoff appearance,
getting swept by an Orlando Magic team that looks good enough to win the East. So there's that. And even if there wasn't, Jordan's
always going to have his legacy and truth be told I'm betting in another 25 years all of gambling stuff will be swept under the rug.
As for why he'd lower himself to wrestling, I have no friggin idea, but I don't think it would happen anyway. All things being equal, he
probably has better shit to do.
Scottie Pippen, on the other hand? I'm pretty sure WWE could land him if they wanted to.
I'd really like to see WWE stop trying to bait C-list or past their prime celebs or pop culture flavors of the day and start letting more
retired wrestlers guest host. There's a ton of guys like Jake Roberts and Sid and maybe even JBL who would probably be happy to have the
paycheck, and they could maybe even reach a little and try to mend fences with Savage or Warrior. And what's stopping them from letting Shawn
Michaels come back for a night to guest host? Really, I get that none of those guys will get any media coverage but how much media coverage is Flava
Flav really going to get? A blurb on E!, if that? And yeah, right now Betty White is a big internet meme and was successful on SNL and DWTS reminded
people that Buzz Aldrin is still alive, but WWE sure is investing a lot of hope into a couple of people who a very fickle pop culture scene very well
may be bored with and completely indifferent to by the time they host Raw. And like Lucky said, they're not going to land a Robert Downey Jr. or
a Natalie Portman or even a Justin Beiber, and even if they did, would anyone but the most ardent fans of those A-list celebs bother to watch? But its
probably a moot point because they'll keep ignoring a generous backstock of retired wrestlers who could easily host and instead find whoever
finished 8th place in the third season of American Idol and act like it's Tom fucking Hanks like they do every week.
All that said, one of the smarter moves they could make right now is get Kimbo Slice to host and hope he likes the environment enough to stick around
for a year or two (which, given how he looked Saturday, is probably all he has in him anyway). Give him a Goldberg push and watch the money start
piling in.
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
Posts 12137
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline
Mood: Grieving
posted on 5-11-2010 at 08:19 AM
"Wouldn't know he was alive" was probably in jest. Like I knew he owned the Bobcats. Being a casual NBA fan at best and not a Charlotte guy
I haven't SEEN MJ or heard his name about something relevant in years. Of course he's the greatest of all time and thus will ALWAYS be
relevant in historic discussion well past a time when Kobe and Lebron hope they'll be talked about with the same reverence. I just really only
kind of knew what he was up to based on assumption. If you had asked me what the deal was with MJ I would have said "I dunno... I guess he's
probably still owning the Bobcats and enjoying their relative success as he's hopefully living a happy retired life with his family. But
don't quote me on that."
So, I mean. Getting Wayne Gretzky or Joe Montana or Hank Aaron would always be "relevant" in the same general way Buzz Aldrin is. Because you
should just fucking know and respect who he is. But "relevant" in terms of "Why is he on my TV NOW in 2010?" is a slightly different matter which
I was kind of unsure about. You know what I mean? Like Bret Hart should have been welcome to return to WWE whenever he felt like it, but when he
shows up all of a sudden after 14 years it sort of makes you wonder "why now?" "Oh, because his pops his being retired into the Hall of Fame and
his family is getting a DVD. That makes sense."
RockyTopWrestling
rOOkie
Posts 43
Registered 12-19-2009 Member Is Offline
Mood:
posted on 5-11-2010 at 12:12 PM
I for one am behind Betty White hosting! She was great on SNL and imagineher and Mae Young in a Golden Girl spoof with Santinio! Pure magic!!!
Wickedfrost
I LOVE RVD
Posts 325
Registered 2-14-2006 Member Is Offline
Mood: Big Sexy
posted on 5-11-2010 at 02:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by RockyTopWrestling
I for one am behind Betty White hosting! She was great on SNL and imagineher and Mae Young in a Golden Girl spoof with Santinio! Pure magic!!!
Throw in Golddust and you know the writers are going to go with mixed tag team lesbian mud wrestling.
Stay wet my friends.
ashleyschafferbmw
rOOkie
Posts 15
Registered 1-26-2010 Member Is Offline
Mood:
posted on 5-11-2010 at 11:23 PM
Steph said at a WWE shareholders meeting that hosting RAW was the in-thing to do in Hollywood circles ... nothing says Hollywood in-crowd like Flav,
Buzz Aldrin, & Jon Lovitz - are you F-ing kidding me?
I have no problem with the guest host concept - until it started taking away from the wrestling part of the show - which it has done since the
beginning
The only performer this has benefitted is Santino - and most of his stuff is funny week to week.
But this is taking away from the wrestling storylines
I hope WWE gets their own network (like Vince is pushing for) that way RAW can be their weekly variety show (comedy, music, with a little wrestling) -
and they can put another weekly WRESTLING show on so the characters & stories for the RAW roster can be developed
punkerhardcore
The Great One
Posts 3407
Registered 7-16-2005 Member Is Online
Mood: Lickable
posted on 5-11-2010 at 11:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by RockyTopWrestling
I for one am behind Betty White hosting! She was great on SNL and imagineher and Mae Young in a Golden Girl spoof with Santinio! Pure magic!!!
I don't wanna discount Betty White at all, as I'd imagine it must have been pretty cool for her-- especially at her age-- to get to host
SNL because of an internet rally in her favor.
That said, I didn't watch the episode since I haven't watched SNL for a few years now, but without even seeing it, I'd bet a million
dollars that every single sketch was either:
a) She's old! lmao!
or
b) Old lady cursing, acting sexual or doing something otherwise out of character for an elderly woman.
[Edited on 5-11-2010 by punkerhardcore]
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
--MySpace makes me way cool too.
TommyD420
Showstopper
Posts 862
Registered 12-30-2005 Location Worcester, MA Member Is Offline
Mood: Smurfy
posted on 5-11-2010 at 11:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
I'd bet a million dollars that every single sketch was either:
a) She's old! lmao!
or
b) Old lady cursing, acting sexual or doing something otherwise out of character for an elderly woman.
You'd be right.
That said, "CSI: Sarasota" with the cataract glasses was pretty damned funny.
b) Old lady cursing, acting sexual or doing something otherwise out of character for an elderly woman.
But completely in character for Betty White. Check out some of her work from the 70s, like her appearances on Match Game. She's been
hilarious, and dirty, for longer than I've been alive.
Or Hell, her more recent turn in The Proposal was predicated on just that sort of thing. You could say she's made a career out of it.
Edited to remove some stuff that sounded more mean-spirited than it was meant to. That's what I get for posting at work.
[Edited on 5-11-2010 by kafkonia]
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW
Posts 12137
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline
Mood: Grieving
posted on 5-12-2010 at 12:53 AM
White was also a pretty provocative character on the Mary Tyler Moore show. But like most older actors like Martin Landeu or Bob Lemon who have real
success in their later years people tend to forget that they had a career before then. White is basically known for the Golden Girls even if she won
Emmys in the '50s and '70s, was one of the first women to gain true power in Hollywood, and all in all was a staple of TV comedy for
decades before that.
And hey, I'm guilty of a bit of ignorance as far as pop culture awareness here. I thought "Betty White and Buzz Aldrin? What the hell?" I
had no idea Buzz was on Dancing With the Stars and assumed Betty was simply riding some internet thing coming off the Super Bowl commercial and
didn't realize she had hosted SNL. Hey, guilty as charged. I also don't know the lyrics to Paramour songs and have never seen any
Twilight films.
But then again Cheech and Chong? ZZ Top? David Hasselhoff? Are these guys relevant today? And even if Aldrin and White are currently in the
spotlight because of these other shows that's still kind of... well, someone else just said it best. Steph can lie off her ass and claim that
WWE is the "in" thing in Hollywood but REAL Hollywood A-Listers ain't touching WWE with a ten foot pole. Neither are B, C, or D listers.
Pulling out celebs who got a rush of popularity because they appeared on OTHER shows that do this is kind of just riding the tails of some pretty
questionable programs.
Basically I'm just saying that calling me on my ignorance to DWTS or SNL? Ok, fair. Egg on my face. I admit those are well off my radar. But
lets also be fair. The "out of touch" idea has levels. Pop culture centers around, you know. Iron Man 2 and American Idol and Avatar and Taylor
Swift. And maybe you span out a little more and you get Glee and 24 and Lady Gaga and whatever. Point is, you have to open the viewscope pretty wide
to get "Dancing With the Stars contestests" such as A-Listers like Shannon Doherty and Aiden Turner. Or know who hosted SNL 3 days ago thanks to an
internet campaign.
So I appreciate you trying not to sound like an ass and I'm trying to do the same. But WWE being generally "out of touch" and the Guest Host
thing being pretty Z-List isn't really negated by me or some others not knowing who got eliminated off Survivor last week or who the musical
guest on Leno was last night. Because there's levels here, and WWE hitching its wagon to a few minor recent fads doesn't really change
the overall impression of them boasting Hollywood's A Crowd and then rolling out Flavor Flav a few years after his fad faded.
EDIT: Well thanks a lot. Now I just look crazy.
[Edited on 5-11-2010 by LuckyLopez]
C.MontgomeryPunk
Rated R Superstar
Posts 355
Registered 1-6-2010 Member Is Offline
Mood: ButtViper-y
posted on 5-12-2010 at 01:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by kafkonia
I think it's very telling about the wrestling fan mindset that I see so many people referring to hosting WWE Raw as "lowering (oneself)", even
though it's still doing respectable numbers compared to other shows and, arguably, has a more dedicated fanbase.
It's okay not to be ashamed of your wrestling fandom.
I'm admittedly a self-loathing wrestling fan. You will never catch me talking about wrestling anywhere other then on the internet. I am
embarrassed when coming across wrestling fans out in public. I no longer go to live events because I cringe thinking "am I one of these mutants"...
What's with the Karate Kid? Mr. Myagi tells Daniel-san to whack off, and now Jackie Chan is telling Jaden Smith to Jack it off...
Shannon Soze
Creepy Little Bastard
Posts 67
Registered 6-14-2009 Member Is Offline
Mood: forgiving.
posted on 5-12-2010 at 03:23 AM
When James Franco was on "General Hospital" a few months ago. Now THAT's lowering yourself.
kafkonia
Creepy Little Bastard
Posts 75
Registered 6-13-2009 Member Is Offline
Mood:
posted on 5-12-2010 at 04:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by LuckyLopez
EDIT: Well thanks a lot. Now I just look crazy.
[Edited on 5-11-2010 by LuckyLopez]
Sorry, man. That wasn't my intent.
I won't dispute that the WWE hasn't dragged in the really big name stars. And I won't dispute that they're trying to pass it
off like they are -- heck, they've referred to David Otunga as an "A-List celebrity". It's pretty clear that they're flailing
about desperately in an attempt to recapture the pop culture relevance of rock'n'wrestling or the Attitude Era.
But I think that the criticism that we, as wrestling fans, level at them for this is disproportionate.
theflammablemanimal
Man of a Thousand Holds
Posts 1938
Registered 9-2-2008 Member Is Offline
Mood:
posted on 5-12-2010 at 07:11 PM
David "A-list" Otunga is just a character being delusional. Calling Hasselhof, Cheech and Chong etc A-list celebrities is WWE being
delusional/insulting.
DKBroiler
SpeciASSl CUMedian
Posts 480
Registered 1-25-2008 Location Exit 8 off Rt 42, New Jersey Member Is Offline
Mood: Skip Baylessish
posted on 5-12-2010 at 07:25 PM
My only question is who's Justin Beiber?
I'm posting this before I Google it just so I can see how stupid and out of touch I am afterwards.
On a side note, can they get Darren Daulten? I bet they would only have to tell him that the overrun will end by 11:11 PM however I'm sure he
would argue that it's always 11:11... while flying at night and talking to animals.
EDITED TO ADD: That's Justin Beiber? What the fuck world am I living in? Fuck it, I like being an out of touch.
[Edited on 5-12-2010 by DKBroiler]
The world no longer moves when Chuck Norris does push-ups because Tim Tebow pushes back.
Devineman
Rated R Superstar
Posts 287
Registered 10-7-2006 Location UK Member Is Offline
Mood: Cynical
posted on 5-12-2010 at 08:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by LuckyLopez
So, I mean. Getting Wayne Gretzky or Joe Montana or Hank Aaron would always be "relevant" in the same general way Buzz Aldrin is. Because you
should just fucking know and respect who he is.
I don't actually know who any of those people are, apart from Buzz Aldrin.
