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rOOkie
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That ain't Cool! (Carltio Released)
From WWE.com
Superstar Carlito (Carlos Colon) has been released from his World Wrestling Entertainment contract as of today May 21, 2010. Carlito�s termination was
due to his first violation of the WWE Wellness Program and his subsequent refusal to attend a rehabilitation facility
Looks like the bad attitude finally paid off! Hope TNA uses him better than the WWE has in the past four years.
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the goon
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Does anyone know when his first failure of the Wellness Program was? I just find this kind of interesting because normally the wrestlers have the
"three strikes" thing, but this seems to be "one strike and refusal to go to rehab." Is that the WWE's way of saying he has a big drug
problem and they want to cut ties with him before something tragic might happen?
EDIT: And Carlito is now the first man in WWE history to in fact NOT be wished well in all of his future endeavors.
[Edited on 5-21-2010 by the goon]
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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I guess this explains why he wasn't around for the NXT tapings.
He's wasted potential and it's all of his doing. He could have been very good. I wonder if the wwe just calls up Orlando "Tito" Colon
to team with Primo, or Primo heads back to developmental.
Maybe Dos Caras Jr gets the call-up.
Regarding the drug test - Umaga failed a test and refused rehab and was fired. I have to believe three strikes is steroid related, but refusing rehab
on a first strike is recreational drug use.
[Edited on 5-21-2010 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
What's with the Karate Kid? Mr. Myagi tells Daniel-san to whack off, and now Jackie Chan is telling Jaden Smith to Jack it off...
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FistHiccups
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| posted on 5-22-2010 at 01:43 AM |
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Perhaps they decided on the "rehab on first strike" rule after Umaga died.
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DevilSoprano
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Perhaps there are no "rules" and they decide everything on a case-by-case basis.
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NNCW Paul Douglas
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Funny, according to the WWE Wellness Policy, it is three strikes and you're out
with no mention of mandatory rehab at all. Just 30 day suspension with equivalent fine, 60 day suspension with equivalent fine, and termination of at
least 1 year.
But hey, Orton still has a job so I guess that I shouldn't be that surprised to see them break their own rules... agayne.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
Go Flyers...
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kafkonia
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quote:
Originally posted by FistHiccups
Perhaps they decided on the "rehab on first strike" rule after Umaga died.
But they released Umaga after his first strike for the same reason. Umaga died after he was released.
Guess it's a good thing they already eliminated Tarver, eh? Matt Hardy better be hoping Gabriel sticks around...
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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Supposedly he showed up to Raw in no condition to work. That resulted in the rehab request and he blew it off and was fired
(R-Truth wasn't at the NXT tapings because he can't travel to Canada due to a previous border crossing issue I believe while in TNA)
What's with the Karate Kid? Mr. Myagi tells Daniel-san to whack off, and now Jackie Chan is telling Jaden Smith to Jack it off...
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FistHiccups
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quote:
Originally posted by kafkonia
But they released Umaga after his first strike for the same reason.
No they didn't. Umaga's first strike came in 2007 in the Signature Pharmacy scandal. He wouldn't go to rehab on his second strike,
which is an order they generally give (I think Hardy and Regal had to, at least).
I'm wondering if the decision has been made to tackle drug problems earlier so guys aren't six months from death when they get fired.
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DevilSoprano
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Wait, do you really think the WWE has a universal drug policy for their employees and handle everyone's testing the same? If you do, I have some
land to sell you.
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FistHiccups
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| posted on 5-22-2010 at 05:58 PM |
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LOOL VINCE IS TEH EVIL HE KILLED DANIEL~
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LuckyLopez
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LOOL SMARKS ARE IRRATIONAL WANKERS I LIVE TO CONTRADICT WITH OVER THE TOP EXAGGERATIONS!
I think its kind of been established that at least at some stage of its existence the Wellness Policy was clearly being manipulated by politics and
individual needs. Orton's many non-strikes, the change in rules that allows them to keep using someone during a suspension, and a lot of other
questionable events. It is wholly possible that they started taking it seriously at some point, whether that was after Benoit's death or
Umaga's or who knows? There may well be hard and fast rules in place that are applied uniformly with no regard for politics or importance of
the wrestler. But considering the Policy's history its more than reasonable for us to be suspicious of it, especially when we're
witnessing what is either yet another change OR an individual special circumstance that happens to be on a lower level worker who just wore out his
usefulness.
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Beer Baron
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Too bad for him, but I assume he's happy he's finally gone from the WWE. This was years ago, but it always seemed like Carlito was the
one who could always best Cena. He beat Cena for the US title and for me anyways, I saw their initial booking/grooming of Carlito to be similar to
how they groomed Cena with Lesnar. But shortly after that(be it injuries/attitude problems), Carlito's star never went much higher than mid
card. I always liked his act(even if it was a Razor Ramon-lite), and hope he can clean up and get to TNA.
Lousy Smarch weather
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LuckyLopez
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It seems impossible to judge either side of this without the necessary information. He showed up "in no condition to work." Ok, that's
unprofessional if nothing else. Was he drunk? Stoned? Tripping balls? Was he an utter mess? Was this a first time thing or a continued problem
that simply reached a breaking point? I have a hard time giving either side the benefit of the doubt on it and meanwhile I can find it easy to
believe both sides saw it as a convenient excuse to end a rocky relationship. I certainly wouldn't applaud Carlito for showing up drunk but I
also wouldn't blame him for refusing rehab for it if he legitimately didn't have a problem but was just being an ass. And I can't
applaud WWE as they seem to continue to have different rules for different people but I also can't blame them for telling a worker to clean up
or get out. So who knows?
I guess I hope Carlito doesn't have a problem and if he does he can clean it up, and that WWE shows this same vigilance and tough love stance
with everyone, regardless of standing in the company or importance.
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cardscott5
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I can't be the only one who thinks Carlito refused rehab just to get released by the WWE right?
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nOOb
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Do I think Carlito knows he just became the hottest commodity in pro wrestling? Yes.
Do I think Carlito quit so he could take a smaller pay check with either TNA or ROH or some place not in America? Not at all.
Everything about this girl is awesome. She's hot, she got kicked out of school for sucking too many dicks, she takes it in the ass and her body
gives itself abortions. -Punker on Lilly Allen's Miscarriage
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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This all comes back to Linda's Senate campaign. The wwe is not going to risk a wrestler OD'ing while under wwe contract because it would
end her campaign. It's probably close to zero tolerance - one strike means 30 days rehab or dismissal.
What's with the Karate Kid? Mr. Myagi tells Daniel-san to whack off, and now Jackie Chan is telling Jaden Smith to Jack it off...
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desjr001
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With a PG rated product they might also be desiring some PG rated conduct. However, with the reported history, both parties prolly saw this as simply
a good opportunity to cut ties.
Opinions are like assholes,
everybody's got one.
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ThePunisher
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With the news of Scott Hall's arrest, he could just go to TNA as Nash's new sidekick. I mean he already has the original Razor Ramon
schtick down.
[Edited on 5-22-2010 by ThePunisher]
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DrBoz
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Scott Hall got arrested? Man, I really AM out of the loop.
(Googling now)
Nice. Dude needs to be on Intervention. What's the over/under on his age of death?
Ha. The article I read said he listed his occupation as "Professional Wrestler" and his employer as "Unemployed." He must not have been THAT
drunk then.
Back on topic, I could give two shits about Carlito being a free agent. I don't find him entertaining at all. Unless he starts to talk with a
little more purpose (should he go to TNA), I have no interest in seeing him again. The only good thing about him possibly going to TNA is he
(hopefully) won't have that fucking apple with him. That shit got old the second week he did it.
I've never grasped the Carlito love. I mean the E must've REALLY held him back, because even in his good matches he still seemed to be in
slow-mo much of the time. I also wasn't a fan of him on the mike either. He's always stilted in his speech, and that bugs the shit out
of me. But I do recall spots here and there where he wasn't so bad. Maybe a fresh start somewhere else will be good.
Honestly though, TNA doesn't need to be picking up anyone new right now, and he's not SO valuable they need to scoop him right up. They
have plenty to work with right now. Just because he's available doesn't mean they need him. Moderation TNA. Please....
"I guess my heaviest experience is gravity...keeps my feet down...it's like weighing me down...I can't get my arms up now...like my legs
fall...I'm falling down and I can't...it's making me heavier...I'm heavier...I can't move...Now I'm a dead dog in
water...I can't...I'm floating but I sink to the water...I'm a wet sandwich...wet with meat...I'm broken salami...tiny
mustaches are heavy...I'm falling...."
- Chester from Sifl and Olly
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by DrBoz
I've never grasped the Carlito love.
Watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJLtrwICHNw
Except for this incident where he got caught with drugs (and he probably showed up in no condition to work because he never winds up having to work),
I'm not sure why everyone blames Carlito. Isn't all this talk of him not giving enough effort just hearsay and rumor? He always seemed to
do pretty well when he was giving a mic, an angle or a good opponent.
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cardscott5
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quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
Except for this incident where he got caught with drugs (and he probably showed up in no condition to work because he never winds up having to work),
I'm not sure why everyone blames Carlito. Isn't all this talk of him not giving enough effort just hearsay and rumor? He always seemed to
do pretty well when he was giving a mic, an angle or a good opponent.
I think it's because when he didn't have a high profile feud, he phoned it in. That was Vengeance 06, and what 6 months later Ric Flair is
cutting promos on him about how Carlito doesn't care, and has no passion? I felt that Carlito was the most frustrating wrestler in the WWE,
because he has talent in bunches, and he rarely went all out. He knows he can go at 60% and be good enough.
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by cardscott5
6 months later Ric Flair is cutting promos on him about how Carlito doesn't care, and has no passion?
You know, I vaguely remember that but what happened after? I don't recall any real follow up to that and can you blame the guy if he got
discouraged from that kind of stuff?
1st of all, if Carlito at 60% is better than half the other guys at 100%, why punish him for going 60%?
2nd, if you're going to yank the guy around and make him spend long periods of time doing nothing, then how can you blame him for never
throwing himself into it?
(I'm probably projecting here since I rarely try hard when I have nothing going on at work and, even when I do have projects, I can usually do
better than most of my coworkers without trying very hard. Sure, I could probably do better but it's not like I should be fired/punished if my
clients are happy with the work)
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DrBoz
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If the options are between someone who gives it their all versus someone half-assing it, I'm probably going with the former. Yeah, Carlito has
the potential to give more, but there has been shockingly little evidence it'll ever happen. The video you posted flamm is a perfect example.
I've never seen that match. I've never seen that Carlito. He was in the WWE how long? And it took me posting about not understanding
why people like him for me to see evidence of his talent. I could go look for it, sure. That's not my job. HIS job is to entertain me to the
point that I WANT to look for it. He never did it for me.
Having now seen that video, I get his potential. I still think he's basically plodding for the vast majority of the match. This doesn't
mean he has to be high octane from start to finish, but a little more speed would be nice. Up until that double springboard move, I was wondering
whether you posted the video to prove me wrong or support my apathy. I even thought to myself he was rivaling Orton with his headlock abilities.
I can understand his apathy to some degree. He did get lost in the shuffle. But when you have an opportunity you gotta take it. And if you're
not getting one, you do whatever you can to force people to give one. He basically appears (to me at least) to be someone who simply collected a
paycheck. If he's OK with that then fine. But if I'm a boss, I'm not giving a guy like him an opportunity just because of
potential.
You get punished for going 60% because it shows you don't care enough to give what you got.
"I guess my heaviest experience is gravity...keeps my feet down...it's like weighing me down...I can't get my arms up now...like my legs
fall...I'm falling down and I can't...it's making me heavier...I'm heavier...I can't move...Now I'm a dead dog in
water...I can't...I'm floating but I sink to the water...I'm a wet sandwich...wet with meat...I'm broken salami...tiny
mustaches are heavy...I'm falling...."
- Chester from Sifl and Olly
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CamstunPWG187
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I find it pretty petty and vindictive of them to single him out when it comes to how they put his personal business out there. Usually they just say
they've been released and best of luck, but no, they have to go and be assholes about it and be like "well, carlito is a druggy and refused to
go to rehab, FYI".
Ahh, whatev, WWE.
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