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Subject: Billy Kidman now occupies "Gorilla" position...
Gobshite
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posted on 8-23-2011 at 12:05 AM
Billy Kidman now occupies "Gorilla" position...
According to Lance Storm, he's in the Gorilla Position!!
quote:Q: Who normally sits backstage at the gorilla position, and who was usually there while you worked for WWE?
A: I believe Billy Kidman is there now, doing what Jerry Briscoe did when I was there. He is the guy that times out the show and is responsible for
keeping the show on track as far as time. Vince was often there, likely now HHH, over seeing the show as a whole. The agent in charge of the match in
the ring is also there.
Good for him! Good to see they're still putting the ex-talent to good use behind the screens, even if they do have idiots writing the show.
[Edited on 8-24-2011 by Gobshite]
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posted on 8-23-2011 at 05:23 PM
Based on the thread title, I was hoping this would be a photo account a la "Where's Randy
Savage?" Although I'm happy for Kidman, I'm more than a little let down.
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posted on 8-24-2011 at 12:42 AM
sorry bud... I've changed the title to avoid further let downs, and will look for amusing photos in the mean time.
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posted on 8-24-2011 at 02:52 PM
Good for Kidman!! Too bad they couldn't do more for him in his active career...he was (and probably still is) a great wrestler
"...Best There Ever Will Be!!"
-When WWE jobbed first time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Christian out to Randy Orton and turned him heel when he (Christian) was arguably the most
over babyface on the roster and having great matches with everyone on the card, it was at that exact moment that WWE jumped the shark!!
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posted on 8-24-2011 at 04:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by Froggie
Good for Kidman!! Too bad they couldn't do more for him in his active career...he was (and probably still is) a great wrestler
Didn't he legit-injure a number of people with his often-wayward SSP? Just saying. Wonder what he thinks of Evan Bourne?
Dude did have entertaining matches, but he never really got to that next level. In WWE, he did have that tag team with Paul London. And I think he had
a brief shot at the US Title, but faded away afterwards.
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posted on 8-26-2011 at 12:52 AM
Here's an entertaining picture of Kidman.
Sadly, it's pretty small and you can barely see him. But who cares?
NSFW
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posted on 8-26-2011 at 01:26 AM
Is he even in that picture? I can't tell. I need a closer look.
Pretty sure he's in this one and this
one, or is that someone else?
Who cares anyway? Look at the Torrie Wilson vagina.
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posted on 8-29-2011 at 02:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by joerizal
Didn't he legit-injure a number of people with his often-wayward SSP?
Besides Chavio Guerrero I don't think he hurt anyone else...they made an angle out of it after he inured Chavo (the breakup of the Kidman/London
tag team happened after that) but I don't think thing anyone else was injured by Kidmans Shooting Star Press
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 02:25 AM
His SSP always looked like it could kill someone. His and Bourne's are still the two best SSP ever though. So different but both are awesome.
Sorry London, yours isn't nearly as good.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 05:09 AM
It always looked like Kidman never got enough air on the SSP's. He would jump out, but not really up. I'm not sure if this would make it
more dangerous or not, but it's something I noticed back when Kidman was wrestling.
Bourne's is definitely better.
CheMateo
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 06:56 PM
I never really liked Kidman's SSP. Kidman had no grace and looked like he was barely pulling it off. To be fair the SSP is a difficult move,
just ask D'Lo Brown.
Bourne's and London's are much more pleasing. They both get tremendous height and look smooth. They make the move look easy.
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posted on 8-31-2011 at 01:03 AM
Brock's SSP was better than Kidman's.
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posted on 8-31-2011 at 02:43 AM
I think the pure lack a grace is what made it look so good. Unique. It always looked like he was just going for it and he had no idea if it was
going to work. Anyone can do graceful. Maybe not as good as Evan Bourne, but a million people do a graceful SSP. Kidman's was unique
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posted on 9-5-2011 at 05:04 AM
That one always makes me laugh.
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Wow, that was bad. Especially considering he didn't even do a springboard and instead climbed the ropes like a sissy.
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posted on 9-5-2011 at 05:25 PM
That one didn't work out great, but it actually looks like a lot of the blame should go to Noble. Instead of getting under it and catching
Kidman, he basically plants him on his head. Kidman's SSP isn't the prettiest, but it's also not that bad.
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posted on 9-5-2011 at 10:00 PM
Comparing Kidman's SSP to London's or Bourne's is like comparing Lita's moonsault to...well, 95% of people that have done
moonsaults. Instead of getting air and making a proper flip, they just try to throw themselves into the flip almost without jumping at all.
Definitely looks different, unique, whatever. But also a higher risk of hurting themselves or the person taking it. I think Kidman also had one in
WCW where he didn't get far enough out from the ropes when he came off the turnbuckle, his foot caught the rope and it reversed the momentum of
the flip, dropping him right back on his head.
Ah, here it is. Skip to about the 9:00 mark.
And one more for good measure...
[Edited on 9-5-2011 by Cherokee Jack]
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quote:Originally posted by atothej
That one didn't work out great, but it actually looks like a lot of the blame should go to Noble. Instead of getting under it and catching
Kidman, he basically plants him on his head. Kidman's SSP isn't the prettiest, but it's also not that bad.
It looked more like he didn't flip far enough for Noble to catch him.
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posted on 9-5-2011 at 10:12 PM
Wait, people actually are of the opinion that Billy Kidman's SSP isn't the worst ever? Really? He nearly kills himself and others on every
single moonsault. Awesome to watch on the hope of imminent death, but the ugliest flippy move in the history of wrestling. I'd take Lita's
horrible moonsaults over Kidman's SSPs if we're talking about moves done right.
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quote:Originally posted by DevilSoprano
Wait, people actually are of the opinion that Billy Kidman's SSP isn't the worst ever? Really? He nearly kills himself and others on every
single moonsault. Awesome to watch on the hope of imminent death, but the ugliest flippy move in the history of wrestling. I'd take Lita's
horrible moonsaults over Kidman's SSPs if we're talking about moves done right.
A little hyperbolic, don't you think?
Also, here's how you're supposed to catch a guy going out of the ring:
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posted on 9-6-2011 at 03:11 AM
That one was definitely Kidman's fault, not Noble's. He simply slipped when trying to spring off the rope. Notice that Haas and Benjamin
caught him in that last video because he didn't slip.
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posted on 9-6-2011 at 01:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by Matte
That one was definitely Kidman's fault, not Noble's. He simply slipped when trying to spring off the rope. Notice that Haas and Benjamin
caught him in that last video because he didn't slip.
They also stood much closer and moved forward rather than backing away and trying to catch a guy. I'm not saying the first one was
perfect, but a lot of the botch (especially landing head first) goes to the guys failing to catch him.
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posted on 9-7-2011 at 02:08 AM
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
When I see this:
I automatically blame the head-first landing on the guy who was supposed to do a complete rotation but failed to do so. How were Nunzio and Noble
supposed to properly catch a guy who didn't rotate enough to allow them to catch him?
See here:
He got the full rotation and landed not head-first, which allowed Haas and Benjamin to catch him.
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posted on 9-7-2011 at 08:58 PM
Without going any further down the Warren Commission-style film breakdown rabbit hole, I'll say this: Kidman's SSP in the second video is
far better than the first, but I still maintain that Noble contributes to Kidman landing on his head in the first.
There are a few factors for why the first is botched. 1) Kidman doesn't get up enough for the SSP to come out clean; 2) Noble and Nunzio are
too far back, necessitating Kidman's leaping out rather than up; 3) Noble catches Kidman around his waist while holding him upside down, then
proceeds to fall backwards (not the way you should be going when catching someone), planting Kidman on the top of his head.
The final point is the one that leads me to give Noble a good chunk of the blame for the botch and, more specifically, Kidman landing on the crown of
his head. Noble stops Kidman's rotation and puts him down head-first. None of that is to say that Kidman is blameless, just that he's
not the sole reason that first one finishes so badly.
[Edited on 9-7-2011 by atothej]
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posted on 9-7-2011 at 09:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by atothej
3) Noble catches Kidman around his waist while holding him upside down, then proceeds to fall backwards (not the way you should be going when catching
someone), planting Kidman on the top of his head.
The final point is the one that leads me to give Noble a good chunk of the blame for the botch and, more specifically, Kidman landing on the crown of
his head. Noble stops Kidman's rotation and puts him down head-first. None of that is to say that Kidman is blameless, just that he's
not the sole reason that first one finishes so badly.
The reason I don't blame Noble for catching Kidman wrong is because he didn't have a choice. To catch him properly, Kidman would have had
to do his share of the move properly, which he didn't. Not to mention, Kidman wasn't planted on the top of his head. He clunked heads with
Nunzio, but his head never clunked the floor. As for Noble stopping Kidman's rotation, again, he really didn't have a choice. Should he
have stepped out of the way to allow Kidman to complete the rotation? Maybe he should have caught Kidman like Haas and Benjamin did, but again, that
would require Kidman to do his share.
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