SpiNNeR72
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WWE OMG! (and what it shows)
Just finished watching the new OMG! DVD set.
The "main feature" is OK, with exceedingly annoying music, but a decent selection of clips and some quality opinions from current wrestlers. (the
best one being from CM Punk re. Jakes Cobra biting Macho - "I wish we could do that today.")
However, what got me after watching it was how much it shows whats missing from the product today. I might be wrong, but from memory, the most recent
clip included was Edge cashing in his MITB to take the title from Cena.
Most importantly though, apart from one or two bloody moments, there was nothing non-PG about it. By that I mean, no reason the same things
couldn't be being done today.
Overall, and I hope its a positive, it felt like an acknowledgement that the product today need a bigtime reboot. If not, maybe WWE's top brass
should take a night to sit down and watch their own DVD - its not wise to point out to everyone else how shit your product is today compared to before
if you're not gonna do something about it!
On a personal note - the extra's are excellent, my favourite being the Shane/Angle street fight from KOTR. I'd forgotten just how good
Angle used to be, and the level of punishment Shane was happy(?) to take to entertain.
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theflammablemanimal
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That KOTR match is awesome.
I'm not sure this says anything about the current state of WWE, except that calling the dvd "omg" shows they're morons catering to
morons (and hate Joey Styles).
But seriously, how are they defining omg? It looks like there's going to be a lot of stuff on there (like Vince exploding) that nobody ever
liked or ever wants to see again. And if edge cashing in is the most recent moment, then they've missed a few recent ones, like the debut of the
Nexus and the beginning of the Punk angle.
So really, what types of things are missing? We don't get supercrazy car crashes like foley/edge or Shane/Angle, but there's still.plenty
of good spots in most big matches (even HHH took a sick bump or two at Mania). I'm glad we don't have things like Macho getting bitten
because now, when everyone knows it's fake, it wouldn't work and would probably come off as dumb as all the car related mishaps of the
last few years or Kane lighting people on fire.
And like i said, they've proven with Punk and Nexus that they can deliver awesome moments. The bigger problem is that they struggle to make
these moments part of a compelling narrative with a start, middle, and satisfying ending. Case in point, the Nexus angle never ended
(with a bang or even a whimper), it just faded away.
The first undisputed OO draft champion of the world
Get the pistons pumping and let the pigeons loose on my yambag
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CaptainJewAlbano
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Doing a quick scan of the list, I can't believe the cobra biting Savage is only #23. I don't care if that thing had no fangs or was
de-venomized or whatever.
There is a lot on that list that is "phony": Vince's limo being blown up, concrete being poured into the Corvette, the beer truck, etc.
There is a lot that, in hindsight, isn't that big of a deal, but had a big impact at the time: Piper hitting Snuka with the coconut, Jannetty
being thrown through the barber shop window, (although, I don't know why Savage crushing Steamboat's larynx isn't on there).
I am fine with Foley's fall being #1, but that cobra attack was just crazy. That should be #2.
And yes, calling this DVD "OMG!" is stupid.
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knuckleballschwartz
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quote:
Originally posted by CaptainJewAlbano
And yes, calling this DVD "OMG!" is stupid.
Given King's commentary on the Foley fall and the most famous user of text speak in the "WWE universe" surely a better title would have been
"WTF? Thought he was dead! LOL"
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quote:
Originally posted by CaptainJewAlbano
There is a lot on that list that is "phony": Vince's limo being blown up, concrete being poured into the Corvette, the beer truck,
etc.
I felt the same way, and was disappointed that "amount of money wasted by Vince" seemed to be a judging criteria for making the list. There was a
lot of "Oh my GOD~!" in there, but maybe upwards of one-quarter "Oh, my: Gay."
It was jarring, as the crap entries just didn't seem to belong on the same DVD or in the same discussion. You put together a DVD with a title,
presumably with a specific narrative/goal in mind, and you can't stick with it all the way through? There's all these gaping continuity
holes and distracting digressions? Boo.
I get the idea that WWE probably wanted a bit of diversity -- to remind everybody they are an ENTERTAINMENT company, not a wrestling company -- so
they plopped in non-highspotty stuff to lighten the mood, instead of making it 2 hours of non-stop violence... but even then, to temper the pacing,
they could have been more selective in which non-highspot stunts/skits they picked.
Then again, who knows? Maybe they once again purposely selected a list that they knew fans wouldn't agree with. Because "stirring the pot" is
SUCH a wise and mature thing to do, as there's nothing I enjoy more than paying $25 for the honor of muttering my half of a spirited argument
against WWE's monkeys in the general direction of my TV... that's a surefire, long-term marketing plan that'll never fail,
fellas...
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
-- Venus Flytrap speaking on The Rick
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SpiNNeR72
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My bad, my memory has recovered a bit and the Nexus was in there, but pretty low. (yes, still too lazy to look at the listing, I think I can give a
more honest opinion by going with what was actually memorable.)
And yeah, Vince has a real hard-on for that limo explosion. It's the final scene of the whole set, complete with the long walk out, and it got
way too much time on the "countdown" bit too. Maybe they're just trying to milk it since they couldn't at the time.
And that fucking hand! Just for not leaving during that angle Henry deserves his title run.. I seriously wonder if anyone who commented on that
actually meant a word they said..
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mastermind
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Quite frankly I loved this DVD. This is just another instance of WWE putting together a spectacular video/hype package that does not disappoint.
Just reading the list is one thing, but actually watching the list - complete with WWE gloss and sheen - is really awesome. It's like a
wrestling mixtape, or like one of those VH1 countdown specials. And the sitdown comments by guys like Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan in particular
really make it worthwhile. Even stuff I didn't remember/or didn't want to see just by reading it (Snitsky kicks baby, in particular) were
great fun to actually watch. So don't hate on it quite yet if you haven't actually seen it. And "OMG" as a title is a sorta-clever way
of adding some relevancy to the product. Fitting, considering pretty much every moment on here is christened by somebody yelling "OH MY GOD!!!"
Whether it's JR, Styles, Cole or even fans in the audience, these are all moments when somebody clearly exclaimed "OH MY GOD" in response.
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OORick
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I could go along with the notion of it being like those VH-1 countdowns... but in so doing, that means it exhibited both the good and bad of the
format.
The good: 2-minute capsules of cool shit, some of which you still remember, and others which you'd forgotten.
The bad: sometimes-questionable rankings, and celebrity "commentators" who either add nothing of value or who are outright stupid and obnoxious.
Ziggler, in particular, came off like a choade. A hyper, phoney, trying-too-hard choade. Just like a lot of the douches VH-1 gets for their things.
It's telling that Santino Marella was entirely, 100% in character, and he came off as more "real" than Ziggler at every turn. And when you
have Miz in semi-character, he SHOULD be the most-slappable weenis on the DVD. But he isn't.
But that's a minor gripe, really. Most of the other commentators were either genuinely enjoyable or inoffensive. Maybe Chris Masters got on my
nerves, as he exhibited zero insight and came off as a bit of a dimbulb. But Santino was fun (much like his namesake, Gorilla Monsoon, his sincerety
and every man approach to absurdity was adorable). DBryan probably said the most "Rick-like" things, which was unexpected to me, for some reason.
Kofi's enthusiasm (and knowledge) of the product was infectious. And of course, Punk was the master of the "winkwink" dickhead comments about
stuff that was originally meant to be taken seriously, but now, the only way to justify it on this DVD is to laugh at it.
And that, in turn, gets back to my main gripe, which is that maybe a quarter of the entries on that list just didn't belong... there are
certainly comedy moments that fit the bill, but they are the ones MEANT to be funny; the "unintentionally funny"/WrestleCrap stuff just
doesn't belong, unless it's a list of WrestleCrap (which I would happily buy, if WWE ever decided to do "Bloopers, Blunders, and Botches:
The Other Side of Awful").
This wasn't a list of WrestleCrap. It was a Top 50 Moments list. In my mind, that means everything on the list should be universally remembered
in a fond fashion for the reasons they were meant to be remembered. But WWE disagreed...
Rick
PS: Back to Daniel Bryan having "me-like" observations for a quick second... it was odd catching the various guys talking about how old they were
when various incidents happened. Bryan, in particular, struck me as placing his memories as happening at the same ages as I'd place them (which
hit me, since I always think of him as a "rookie"; but hey, anything to help me feel younger)... but then that's contrasted by something like
Kofi Kingston saying he was in middle school when Sable showed her boobs, which makes him seem younger than I'd have guessed (and in turn, make
me feel older than I am)... even Cena got in on the act a bit, openly talking about which events he was in attendence for, and stuff... being able to
compare my memories to theirs and "carbon date" them was kinda cool...
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
-- Venus Flytrap speaking on The Rick
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mastermind
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Just out of curiosity, what events (or "incidents") would you recommend that were left off?
The Steamboat/Roberts larynx and or/ DDT on concrete one was mentioned as a possible miss, but are there any others off the top of your head that
should have been included?
As for High School age, I wanna say DBryan was Class of '98, Kingston Class of '00 and John Cena '96 or '97.
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Doug Almighty
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Haven't seen this. Sounds good though. Agree with the OP about what it illustrates, but would probably take it a stage further to a place where
people often don't seem to wanna go with me! (I have noticed this...)
The current weekly shows are tedious exactly because they are so undaring and samey and stale. Raw is just... matches, and some promos. I think that
is a damning criticism, yet other peeps don't seem to agree?! Some just no-sell the accusation. Others seem to think "Duh! Yeah... That's
what a wrestling show is! DUH!" Although they may put it a different way when they post, using more words. Ultimately, they are being oddly
defensive. Which baffles me.
That's not what Raw Is War was. It had an array of actual characters, rather than a roster made up largely of guys in merch shirt and trunks. It
had densely written stories that allowed different feuds to intersect satisfyingly etc. Rather than sparsely written 'feuds' existing
solely to build the next PPV match... Feuds which tend to exist in their own separate compartments...
The actual 'content' of the show, during the hot period, used to surprise me week after week. It wouldn't be the exact same formula
like we have now... Where there's a significant bit at the start, followed by filler until the start of the second hour (where something else
significant usually happens,) then more filler until the main event (or at the end of the main event, if it's a match)
The shows have SO little evidence of attention-to-detail or creative writing. Especially when the same old tricks get used, like the 'Teddy
Long' tag-match announcement. And old school fall-backs like contract signings. The lack of big 'stunts' on top of that (which used
to happen for productive reasons too, like Austin's vehicular shenanigans) and you end up with a very vanilla, unexciting show by comparison.
And a show which is FAR from 'must see'...
If WWE did a "50 Best Storylines Ever." DVD. You'd see another facet of the current issues exposed too. As even when you can pick out a good
'feud' of the last 8 years, you're not always picking out a good 'story'... Whereas attitude era 'stories'
were, at the very least, FUN! And exciting. More creative things happened over the course of the story and other characters tended to be involved at
various points too. Shit went down.
So like I said. I do sometimes find the postings in the Raw review threads baffling, as some people work through the content of the show every week
without apparently caring that the formula itself is crushingly stale. As though things would be OK if the content of the various compartments on the
show were slightly different?! Nothing memorable or noteworthy really happens on Raw these days, besides quasi-shootish comments here and there.
Evidently, the way the shows are written means that creativity and risk-taking are discouraged.
We don't get anything out of Punk highlighting certain crappy things on the shows in the long-term. As he is still saying those things on a show
which is stale and THE SAME. Every week.
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CaptainJewAlbano
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If I were to guess, this DVD might be named "OMG!" because if it were "Oh My God!", Wal-Mart (or some other stores) may not have put it on their
shelves. It might not be because of some marketing wank convincing VKM that it will now appeal to a younger demographic.
As far as what else should be on the DVD:
Andre turning on Hogan
Studd and Patera cutting Andre's hair
DiBiase kicking the basketball away from the little kid
the triple threat match with Cena/Edge/RVD where RVD lost the title
Mankind's debut on Raw where he attacked The Undertaker
Sid turning on Shawn on Raw after WrestleMania 11
Steamboat's larynx (previously mentioned)
Roberts vs Steamboat on SNME (previously mentioned)
I am also a mark for Bret Hart's stuff in 1997, so I would include his tirade after the cage match with Sid on the Raw before WM13. Also, when
he made up with Owen and Davey Boy on Raw to form the new Hart Foundation.
Easter Egg: the crowd chanting "Kill the Clown!" when Waylon Mercy was wrestling Doink. Or, that could be on Rick's WrestleCrap DVD.
So, I wouldn't just be including violence, but the memorable things that have happened that make being a wrestling fan worthwhile. Obviously, I
only mentioned WWF happenings because the DVD doesn't include WCW, ECW, WCCW, etc.
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knuckleballschwartz
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quote:
Originally posted by CaptainJewAlbano
Sid turning on Shawn on Raw after WrestleMania 11
I still remember this as one of my favourite wrestling moments - just brilliant storytelling. We all knew watching it was gonna happen sooner or later
and Sid's expression change gives you a second to think "oh shit, look out shawn!!" and then there's the botch on the first powerbomb
where he just loses him way up there. Great moment.
I'd also add Shawn's collapse vs Owen and HHH and Steph's original vegas wedding in the test storyline.
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mastermind
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The Triple H/McMahon Wedding WAS included on the countdown, IIRC.
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OORick
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I wasn't gonna go through and actually fix WWE's list for them (that's the job of people they're paying, not something I need
to do for them for free), but I just want to mention that if I HAD wanted to toss a dozen better entries out there to replace the dozen that suck,
I'd have started the same place Capt. Jew did:
Andre turning on Hogan, on Piper's Pit.
I mean, if I'm thinking of "OMG" moments, that one pops into my head pretty quickly. It's easily top 50, and I could make a case for it
being top 10. An inexcusible omission.
I also support one or both of the Steamboat moments. Dig the idea of including DiBiase's basketball dribbling skit; it's a nice
change-of-pace/less-intense/lighter-fare entry, but it's actually still memorable and significant in terms of building the Million Dollar Man
character. Bret's pre-WM13 promo is another good call, as it was a shocker at the time due to languange, but also retroactively vital to setting
the stage for the WM13 double-turn with Austin.
If you want to talk about including Mankind's debut, I'll suggest Lesnar's debut as a better post-WM surprise debut... rarely
before, and never since, has a new guy shown up on TV and INSTANTLY come across as a bad-ass future World Champ.
Since I'm here, I might as well keep on fixing things for free by suggesting these two no-brainers of my own: (1) the fateful Saturday morning
when the Undertaker sealed the Ultimate Warrior in an air-tight casket; I was old enough to not be traumatized by that, but WWE sure as shit sold it
like a huge deal/attempted murder at the time. And (2) Ric Flair shows up on WWF TV with the WCW Title; or more accurately, Bobby Heenan shows up on
WWF TV with the WCW Title, and Ric Flair follows; easily the greatest mind-fuck of the pre-MNW era.
If necessary, I could even come up with a few replacement items in the "lighter fare" category, just to keep the list balanced... off the top of my
head: how about the night Seth Green was the guest GM and he actually wrestled? And hit an offensive move? And wore a "stOOpid monkey" t-shirt while
doing it? And it was ridiculously fun and entertaining? [ ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQRPfqP8-Wc ] How is that not a perfect fit for this
list (and fairly high up the list, at that)? Or: how about Molly Holly getting shaved bald? You don't see that every day. In fact, a girl
getting shaved bald (at WM, no less) also falls into the "never before, and not since" category, and would have certainly merited a spot in the 40s
if I'd been making the list.
I could probably go on, but like I said: I ain't getting paid, and I think we've adequately illustrated that it simply wouldn't have
been that hard at all to replace upwards of a quarter of the OMG DVD with better choices more consistent with the "OMG" concept of moments that are
memorable for the right reasons....
Rick
[Edited on 9-1-2011 by OORick]
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
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FistHiccups
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Is Nailz attacking Bossman on there? I'd guess it isn't because of That One Time In Vince's Office, but that's one of the most
shocking moments of my early wrestling fandom. Even moreso than the snake bite. The Nailz debut, the Rockers split, the Papa Shangoo spilling down
Warrior's face, Savage's "Untrue! Untrue!" interview... These are the things I remember most.
This thread has me interested in watching the DVD now, which I wasn't before. I always found Austin's vehicle fetish boring as fuck during
the attitude era, hopefully the talking heads will make it interesting.
quote:
The current weekly shows are tedious exactly because they are so undaring and samey and stale. Raw is just... matches, and some promos. I think
that is a damning criticism, yet other peeps don't seem to agree?!
Because you're forgetting lots. WWE still does stuff with cars and fire and whatnot, and it's shitty. Katie Vick, electrocuted
balls, Jim Ross in flames, Jim Ross on the operating table with an Austin mask up his arse, Nexus putting Bret Hart in a car crash, Edge and the Paul
Bearer dummies, and so on. The various stunts and shock tactics of the attitude era format became old hat in 2001.
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DudeLove721
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Are Ms. Kitty's titties on this list? Probably not due to WWE's PG-13-ness but that was truly a shocking moment wasn't it?
You know how reliable that coked-up sack of gay is.
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Doug Almighty
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quote:
Originally posted by FistHiccups
Because you're forgetting lots. WWE still does stuff with cars and fire and whatnot, and it's shitty. Katie Vick, electrocuted
balls, Jim Ross in flames, Jim Ross on the operating table with an Austin mask up his arse, Nexus putting Bret Hart in a car crash, Edge and the Paul
Bearer dummies, and so on. The various stunts and shock tactics of the attitude era format became old hat in 2001.
Why have you hand-picked some examples of wrestlecrap? None of which are even from this year are they? WWE is suffering from a chronic lack of
diversity which applies to what airs practically every week now. PRESENT DAY. They format things in an unimaginative, stale fashion. They have
illogical contract signings, rather than thinking of something fresh or different. They use the same old tired methods to make matches for later in
the show, and they film it all in a stale, over-produced, crappy, boring way.
Why defend staleness?! As that�s what a WWE show full of just wrestling and promos, in 2011, is basically an example of. Especially when it�s all so
compartmentalised and has SO little attention-to-detail (and also so few memorable �big� things happening)...
Misguided wrestlecrap like you listed isn�t really in anybody�s interests, obviously (though would arguably be less boring than some of the empty
stuff WWE throw out there) But the �good� examples from the OMG list blatantly would be. As they are memorable/exciting/must-see or whatever the case
may be. They�re examples of the kind of moments that stick in people�s minds etc. Especially when part of a bigger story arc and/or exciting movement
in general, which plenty from the OMG list are.
Not everything that worked THEN will work NOW, as times have changed etc. But it�s like WWE have gone backwards since the attitude era, back to more
simplistic wrestling TV formatting... Rather than evolving their way towards the next new and different era.
I like exciting shows which display evidence of creative effort. I like �wow� moments, story arcs, intersecting feuds etc. I like fresh, innovative
surprising things, and I�ve got all those elements from wrestling TV in the past. Clips of things that happened over a decade ago should seem old hat
compared to the current product. But it can sometimes appear like it�s the other way around.
But yeah, seems like you�re defending the inert WWE 2011 approach... Where risky/different things usually aren�t even attempted. Where
attention-to-detail is poor, and where the same limited ingredients/approaches are used over and over again. Maybe you like the familiarity? Or
something?! As I said earlier, I�ve encountered similarly defensive remarks before. Yet I�ve never managed to get to the bottom of what motivates some
of you guys to excuse such an underachieving, inert, samey product...(?)
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FistHiccups
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quote:
Originally posted by Doug Almighty
Why have you hand-picked some examples of wrestlecrap?
Because you're pretending WWE stopped doing wacky angles ten years ago. They didn't. They still do them -- just less, because everyone
thinks they suck and they don't draw a rating anymore.
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Why defend staleness?!
Nobody's defending it. Just pointing out that "WHY DON'T THEY DO THE STUFF ON THE DVD AGAIN?" is silly, for reasons you seem to
recognise yourself:
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Not everything that worked THEN will work NOW, as times have changed etc.
See? WWE could throw thousands at car wrecks every week and do all manner of illogical shock booking (and let's face it, that's what a lot
of the attitude era was). But it wouldn't be must-see anymore, because people got pretty sick of it a decade ago.
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But it�s like WWE have gone backwards since the attitude era, back to more simplistic wrestling TV formatting... Rather than evolving their way
towards the next new and different era.
Exactly, and that's the problem. But that was always one of the criticisms the naysayers were making during the attitude era, that it
wasn't sustainable and it was going to kill interest in wrestling. "Where do you go next?" When guys were throwing each other off bridges,
pulling guns on each other, dropping trucks on each other, etc etc... You have to scale back eventually because you can't keep topping it.
Almost every time WWE has tried to pull off an attitude era type stunt in the last decade, people have regarded it as WrestleCrap. And rightly so.
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I like exciting shows which display evidence of creative effort. I like �wow� moments, story arcs, intersecting feuds etc. I like fresh,
innovative surprising things, and I�ve got all those elements from wrestling TV in the past. Clips of things that happened over a decade ago should
seem old hat compared to the current product. But it can sometimes appear like it�s the other way around.
Absolutely. They haven't evolved to find a way to make the TV shows more exciting now than in the attitude era. And I'm all in favour of
them putting more work into coming up with decent story arcs and fresh characters, but the 1999 shock tactics wore off a long time ago. The last thing
people got excited about was a worked-shoot promo that wouldn't have been out of place in 2000 WCW, and the only people that got excited about
that were people on the Internet. There was no increase in viewership.
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But yeah, seems like you�re defending the inert WWE 2011 approach... Where risky/different things usually aren�t even attempted.
Risky/different things like what? Having someone hit Big Show with a car?
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Where attention-to-detail is poor, and where the same limited ingredients/approaches are used over and over again. Maybe you like the
familiarity? Or something?! As I said earlier, I�ve encountered similarly defensive remarks before. Yet I�ve never managed to get to the bottom of
what motivates some of you guys to excuse such an underachieving, inert, samey product...(?)
Nobody's excusing it. There's absolutely no excuse for the culture where they had seven hundred Kofi Kingston vs Dolph Ziggler matches for
no reason. It's lazy, stale bullshit. Having someone fill Alberto Del Rio's vehicle with cement before giving birth to a hand
wouldn't change that, though.
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The bonus matches on this are cool too - Edge vs Foley from WM22, Shane vs Angle (KOTR 01), TLC from WM17...
I stole it from pirat ebay. you should all do the same. The countdown (and voiceover of "oh my god" is really annoying.
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Doug Almighty
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FistHiccups:- Appreciate the amount of text in your response, but feel you�re missing the point a bit and using a dubious arguing tactic.
Every week in the Raw review threads, there are multiple people commenting on the show, yet there are precious few people saying the shows are bad on
account of the stale format. Or that the reliance on the same old tedious approaches is a big negative. That whole layer of the problem seems to be
passing a lot of people by. I think it�s passing you by...
Don�t think you�d waste time misrepresenting my argument in bitesize chunks if it wasn�t passing you by. At least on some level. You�d just say �I see
what you�re saying. And I agree. It�s a shame.� Rather than bending over backwards to ignore the underlying point altogether, and dragging up some
hoary old internet smark logic to support the idea that WWE is stale for a valid reason.
For example. On this week�s Raw, Teddy Long came out and predictably made a tag match, in the exact, tedious, eye-roll inducing way I talked about
earlier in this thread. Just so brazenly predictable and stale. For anyone objectively judging the current creative direction of Raw, that Teddy Long
moment was one of the biggest clues from the whole show to signpost just how little effort goes into making things seem different/fresh/exciting each
week.
They used to try things! Raw used to be fun and exciting. It�s rarely those things now. The end...
But yeah, there should be evidence of effort re: the content of the show each week etc. Attention to detail and all the other things I highlighted in
my earlier posts. There is no counter-argument required! Just acceptance/agreement. Unless you are arguing in favour of following a tired formula
every week the way WWE lazily do now. Which you claim nobody is doing.
Yes, big thrilling moments, like many of the things people fondly remember from the past, may or may not be examples of the kind of thing WWE could
make work now. Point is they should be doing DIFFERENT potentially exciting things, week after week.
If you are arguing in favour of playing it safe in some ways, then argue for it specifically, don�t muddy the waters like you did last time. With the
�giving birth to a hand� style BS examples, as though anybody wanted to see that shit in the first place.
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blackdragon
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What's funny is that I immediately thought about Doug when the main event was made. It's like they read this thread and made sure
Long's only appearance on the show was to make that match.
A ho fucks everybody. A bitch fucks everybody but you.
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Doug Almighty
Creepy Little Bastard
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^^^
Well, I haven�t ruled that out either! The vindictive bastards...
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the goon
Sister Act
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Just thought I'd bump this thread back up after catching this on Netflix instant streaming. All in all, it's an entertaining two hours,
though I wouldn't spend any money on the actual DVD (though the extra matches, which aren't available on Netflix, are pretty sweet).
It's kind of one of those things where it was fun to watch, but I can't imagine any reason to ever go back and re-watch it.
What I wanted to touch on is how it seems like a rare occurrence of the WWE not really trying to rewrite it's own history for once. You have
former wrestlers (many of whom are currently with TNA) like Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, and Mick Foley being openly discussed, and often
times praised, by current WWE stars. I really like how they didn't try to erase or ignore the past contributions of former wrestlers.
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CaptainJewAlbano
ButtViper
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I also watched this on Netflix streaming (along with other titles like Best of Nitro and Greatest Cage Matches). It has been a while since I watched,
but since this thread has been restarted, I thought I would give my opinion.
I was surprised that the list wasn't taken that seriously. The current wrestlers were openly mocking some of the clips like Tim White's
suicide attempts and Big Show's father's funeral. Also, Santino was giving his opinions in character, complete with mispronunciations.
As I recall, the comments by CM Punk and William Regal were great.
This made the inclusion of some of the weaker pieces a little more tolerable. But as discussed previously, I think the list would have been better
served to have more truly groundbreaking moments.
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JB KING
 
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No Katie Vick = bullshit. They glorify May Young giving birth to a hand in the top 10 but no KV? Thanks for taking one for team Hunter...
Two time Winner for 2010 Breakthrough Poster of the Year Award. You read that right.
XBL Gamertag: JB KING
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