MbahABako
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I'm still hoping that maybe, just maybe, WWE does have long term plans for Punk's character... I still see little nuggets of
heel'ishness from him, including the presence of the Nexus and SES logos in his TitanTron and things like that. Normally I don't think
little details matter that much but I can't shake the feeling that WWE planted those on purpose.
I think its inevitable that Punk eventually has to go back to being a heel. It's his wheelhouse and where he is by far at his most effective in
terms of a character.
I'm praying that we will eventually get the Old Man and the Snake speech... maybe after the Raw after Night of Champions when Kevin Nash
returns, big boots and power bombs HHH and drags Punk's limp body (after he's taken a Pedigree) onto the top of HHH and wakes the ref
up?
That leads to an HHH loss, perhaps someone like Stephanie taking over RAW (or they bring back the Anonymous GM character), and Punk coming out and
admitting that he and Nash have been in cahoots the whole time?
Nah, that's too improbable, WWE would never do a story like that with that many holes as a Punk/Nash alliance.... right?
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diablo_dor
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How come nobody is talking about how Nash made this Cool again?
Or that Nash called CM Punk a locker room cancer?
Or that so far, the only one allowed to touch Kev had been HHH?
One punch knocks him on his ass yet multiple kicks have little to no effect!
Also thanks to Johnny Ace we know Nash has a guaranteed contract so HHH just has just screwed the company out of money!
I'm honestly shocked that Ryder got the win, the way it was looking I almost expected him to blow the chance.
Baby steps but any push has to be worth celebrating, though does this mean Lawler > Santino due to matches Vs nexus with Ryder?
Rather excited for the match but how exactly do Truth & Miz get a title shot without ever winning a tag match, be basically squashed by Punk 2 weeks
in a row?
I get that there hasn't been a tag division but why not let them look strong as a team against Punk on his own?
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williamssl
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quote:
Originally posted by diablo_dor
How come nobody is talking about how Nash made this Cool again?
Or that Nash called CM Punk a locker room cancer?
Or that so far, the only one allowed to touch Kev had been HHH?
One punch knocks him on his ass yet multiple kicks have little to no effect!
I think the lack of dialogue in general this week is driven by none of us caring.
I was ready to go off on Nash's promo and that whole segment last night...but then said "not worth the thought or the words."
Don't Mess With Texas
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DevilSoprano
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Wait, we agree on something? Kiss your asses goodbye OO universe.
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williamssl
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Hell...I'll take it one step further.
Moose could come in here with a "watched 5 minutes/horrible/turned it off. 0.0" and he'd probably get posts of jealousy from people saying
they wished they had turned it off as well.*
* except for the R-Truth/Miz segment
Don't Mess With Texas
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CreativeInternetAliass
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Even more shocking, during chat moose even admitted that Truth had done the best he could with this character and was one of the better parts of the
show.
I remember Lucky Lopez.
dev are you going to give me your address or do i have to check the registered sex offender data base (Firewoman trying to set up a three way meet on
03/20/2011)
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williamssl
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9/5 Raw Supershow: The day we all agreed.
EDIT: Goon hasn't posted yet. He'll come fuck this up.
[Edited on 9-6-2011 by williamssl]
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gobbledygooker
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Yeah, I've been in the "wait and see" camp with Punk (as has been well-documented on here) but even I'm getting to the end of my rope.
I think Night Of Champions will go a long way towards seeing where they are going with him (either somewhere with decent possibilities or back down
into the shitter) but he has been losing heat by the week and it's just getting worse and worse. At this point, I'm worried that when he
signed a new contract, they gave him a shitload of money and now he just figures he'll go along with whatever they want him to do.
EDIT - Goon had to work during Raw and forgot to set his DVR so his pro-WWE viewpoints will be null and void this week.
[Edited on 9-6-2011 by gobbledygooker]
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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OORick
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I'll go ahead and be the guy who tries to point out the few-and-far-between positives...
First and foremost, I think the added stipulations for the Punk/HHH PPV match are a big step forward in so far as there is now a motivation for Punk
wanting to fight and beat HHH. Previously, HHH had a motivation (his wife was besmirched), but Punk had just leaned on "making this fun again."
Well, wrestling a half-retired guy (in and of itself) isn't especially "fun." But beating him and causing him to lose his position of
authority, creating a power-void in which Punk could wreak havoc? Now THAT might end up having fun consequences.
The no-DQ stip is a bonus, too, since it gives HHH all his standard "WWE Main Event Style Brawl" bag o' tricks to work with, and allows for
countless storyline possibilities in terms of run-ins and heel/face turns. I'm sure we'll hash and rehash every possible iteration of
Nash/Steph/Ace/Vince involvement in the 2 weeks leading up to the PPV, so I won't do it now.
The 8-man main event was pretty fun, and accomplished two things that I consider to be good things: (1) it set up a Sheamus vs. Christian feud, which
will instantly fall into place as SD's #2/semi-main-event feud, and which I look forward to immensely, as it will be the feud that I count on to
keep me awake amidst an Orton/Henry title feud, and (2) it help re-establish Jack Swagger to some extent by having him get all the elims to impress
Vickie; granted, getting "back" to the level of lowly Dolph Ziggler isn't a huge amount of gravitas as far as the fans are considered, and
they might always just piss it away next week, but for one night, it was something worth noting.
Miz and Truth were, indeed, highly amusing on this night. And I expect to be even more amused by the PPV Title match in 2 weeks. Oh, and if
we're bringing back Guest Hosts, I'm increasingly of the opinion that R-Truth and Tracy Morgan need to meet. And somehow, William Regal
needs to be involved as the straight man.
Zack Ryder, Drew McIntyre, Curt Hawkins, and Tyler Recks all being on TV seems like a sign of of an impending apocalypse. Zack getting a push, and the
other 3 showing up on TV for the first time in ages (or at least since Superstars went off the air and became a webcast, assuming you ever counted
Superstars as "TV" to begin with) can't be coincidence. Or can it?
So see? It wasn't ALL bad....
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
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S Kid J E T S 48
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WWE has pretty much lost its grace period with me for this Punk run. It should have been so easy with so many ways they could have gone that would
have gotten them to the same point at the same time everyone hoped they would, and now, we have an 8 month feud having a chapter end already in only 1
month. Unless something game-changing happens at the PPV, this thing is going to go down as a disaster.
(On a sidenote...you know what doesn't get enough play? How much Punk screwed this entire angle up. On day 1, that first Raw after SS, he just
destroys Nash right off the bat and makes him look horrible. Not to say Nash didn't help himself to look awful, but isn't rule #1 of
wrestling is to help put over the guy you are feuding with so its actually impressive when you beat them? Punk did himself and everyone else no favors
at all. It's great and all he's used all this "truth" to try and get "change" but he's taken it too far.)
With this new COO stip they put into the match, I have a stronger feeling that we're getting either the NWO or some group along the same lines.
Not only that, but I think Punk is turning. At this point, a simple HHH turn "shock" isn't much of a shock, so what will the writers do? The
"double shock" and turn Punk.
If Punk turns, can he get back to being interesting and at his strength? Yeah. But WWE will have lost that chance to truly make a generational
superstar, the megaface Punk could have been.
One bonus, I guess, is that Punk will actually have done something to prove he wants to change the WWE. He will have gotten power. Of course,
the mindbending lack of continuity would be at 100%, but that never seems to be important.
Hopefully, if they do this, they surround him with some newer or underutilized guys. Perhaps they bring back MVP since that would make people perk up
more as a sidekick than someone like Colt Cabana or the Kings of Wrestling (guys who if as talented as people say, do not need to be weighed down with
this gimmick to be successful).
I am not nearly as optimistic about this whole thing as I was before. At least Punk/HHH should be a good match until the angle part of the match
comes up.
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As for the rest of Raw...obviously excited to see Zack Ryder be used finally and in a real way - finally using his show and giving him a whole video
promo to be introduced. He has sold himself on his personality and now maybe they'll let him be as likeable on camera as he has been off.
And while it made storyline sense to debut him as they did, its bad that they had to bury M & O the way they did the past 3 weeks to do so. While
you're supposed to grow as a team before being champions, they seemed to be doing a good job of that as they defended the belts for the last few
months, developing tag moves and even without the Nexus backing, growing a bit of an identity. Of course, between the losses and Lawler killing them,
its all gone now. Let them sit off TV for a bit, give Henning his name back, then redebut them after the Kofi/Bourne-Miz/Truth feud runs its course.
Perhaps then, they can help get these two over better and expand on the tag division that seems to be slightly alive again.
I hate this ADR-Cena feud. "Edgey" Cena does nothing but bury ADR. That's not going to help your brand new champion or anyone. At least we
know ADR is going over at the PPV as long as something crazy from the Punk-HHH match doesn't readjust everything they are doing with the
title.
Truth, Miz, Kofi, Bourne, Ziggler, Swagger, and Sheamus have all been really enjoyable lately. I like the Sheamus/Christian feud. I like the
Truth/Miz-Air Boom feud. I hope they do better wtih the Zigger/Swagger feud (inserting Morrison and Riley to make it a 4-way?) The midcard suddenly
has a chance again. Hopefully they can be entertaining over the next few months and actually build a few of these guys (at least Ziggler and to a
less help needed effect, Sheamus) into main eventers.
One last thing...you know why people suddenly enjoy Orton lately? He's finally figured out how to act as a face. He's faster, he puts
more charisma into his moves, and his face moveset is just more enjoyable. While I've always enjoyed Orton, I think its these reasons that have
made even a squash against Heath Slater entertaining.
FREE ZACK RYDER
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cardscott5
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Of course Christian and Sheamus are feuding. The top 4 on Smackdown can only fight each other. I thought this was established.
As for the show, it was alright. The Truth/Punk match was pretty good, and the 8 man tag was fun for one of those matches where you know the exact
ending.
To Rick's point, I too thought it was interesting that Ryder, Hawkins, Drew, Recks and so on were on tv and talked. Drew has been in the
background a few times just to do nothing though. I don't know why Hawkins couldn't have jobbed to Orton. Or Recks, or Drew, or anyone who
wasn't Heath Slater.
Edit to add: I really agree with Skids point about Punk and Nash. Punk saying Nash isn't relevant, sucks, is boring, makes people change the
channel, and so on, doesn't really help anything in re-introducing the audience to Nash. Especially since Nash powerbombed him twice, and Punk
just says you haven't done anything since 1996. Granted, Nash could have said that I cost you the undisputed WWE title just because I wanted to,
how's that for relevant jerk off, but he didn't. Nash's promo work also really hurt the whole bit. I'm sure he'll be
back at NoC. He kind of has to be.
I think there is no doubt that Punk/HHH is the main event. I think that's what the stipulation did for it. Now it's more than just a
match, it's a big deal.
[Edited on 9-6-2011 by cardscott5]
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nOOb
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You know, I went to bed after the main event run-in leading into a match, but when I woke up this morning I fully expected to wake up and read that
McIntyre, Hawkins, and Recks attacked Cena after the match. Hawkins and Recks will probably wind up fired sooner rather than later, but them talking
about how they have "stuff planned" and how they heard Barrett was up to something would typically be one of those things that might lead me to
believe bigger things were in the works if not for the fact that this is wrestling and they forget things that only last a sentence faster than it is
actually spoken.
Everything about this girl is awesome. She's hot, she got kicked out of school for sucking too many dicks, she takes it in the ass and her body
gives itself abortions. -Punker on Lilly Allen's Miscarriage
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The Threadkiller
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quote:
Originally posted by cardscott5
I really agree with Skids point about Punk and Nash. Punk saying Nash isn't relevant, sucks, is boring, makes people change the channel, and so
on, doesn't really help anything in re-introducing the audience to Nash.
Yup. I'm not sure what happened there exactly - I get the impression Punk knows the business well enough that he should have known that was a
bad idea. Of course, he might have been expecting vintage nWo Nash on the mic rather than what he got. Nash looked like a scared rookie on the mic
in their first confrontation.
Or maybe Punk didn't like the Nash storyline and, with a guaranteed contract in hand, thought he'd cut Nash off at the knees (pun
intended).
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DKBroiler
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I can't even defend Raw lately. Nash is one of my all time favorites but he has been awful. Hopefully it's good riddance at this point.
And to make matters worse Randy Orton decided to finally fulfill the push he's been getting for 7 years with some actually good matches. My
brain hurts.
I'm with Punk.
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Chris Is Good517
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I'm a little surprised I didn't see anybody mention Punk telling Nash "best of luck in your future endeavors"
Gee, I wish I was still alive- LuckyLopez R.I.P.
Bachmann: "I haven't had a gaffe... when it comes to the best Republican who take
on Barack Obama and not have any clunker in my record to be able to take him on, it's me."
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wings76fan
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A great backstage moment for next week would be to have McGillicuty and Otunga lose again, then in the dressing room, Punk walk up and be like, "look
at you ... I step away from New Nexus, and you lose the titles and can't even beat a retired commentator." Then spend the rest of the night
trying to find a new leader and they end up with a mentor crawling back to Wade Barrett. Just a thought.
As for the show, it's better on DV-R. I'm expecting Nash to interfere now (Why would Punk agree to a no-DQ stip, knowing that HHH will
screw him over? A steel cage would have been better for Punk to suggest). And, maybe we'll get the reveal that Nash was the Vista GM all
along? (He sent the text to Hunter, it was hinted long ago it was someone who knew Vince ...). Or, HBK gets brought out of retirement and drags
along Hall for the ultimate Clique reunion.
Beth vs. Eve was lazy booking. Like we didn't see that one coming?
And Slater botched one of his moves at the end. Not what you want to do in the rare chance to be on Raw. That was about as random a match as you can
get; makes me wonder if someone got scratched at the last minute.
Santino's car accident was bad timing. I imagine a team of him and Ryder in the future. (Would it be the Co-bro ?)
I know they needed to make Super Cena "go over," but there was a plethora of ways that they could have set up Swagger winning. Maybe have the ref
distracted and del Rio lock in the armbar for a while, then Swagger put the ankle lock on. And then del Rio comes in for further beatdown, then Super
Cena 'recovers' and AA's him. Would have helped sell the Swagger / Ziggler story better. (Heck, that could even be a story line
for them: have Cena start tapping out, the announcers notice that maybe all the Nexus stuff, the Punk wars, the promised Rock WM main event and the
WWE schedule have finally given taken a toll, even play up the Super Cena of days passed. Have him tap out to the armbar. Give del Rio some
credibility ... then the blowoff is winning an I Quit match).
When does the Bragging Rights PPV take place? I'd imagine that with the seeming "death" of the brand split that it'd be a good time for
them to set up a Raw Champion vs. Smackdown Champion for the Unified title (my guess: Orton Wins!)
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knuckleballschwartz
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
I'm a little surprised I didn't see anybody mention Punk telling Nash "best of luck in your future endeavors"
That together with "I feel pretty good about no DQ, after all; you've been hitting people in their faces with sledgehammers for years and
haven't killed anybody yet" kept my faith in this Punk storyline alive.
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bochogy
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Punk/HHH has still maintained the consistent state of being entertaining. Cena/ADR - I don't even know why WWE still is making Cena the main
eventer for all the happenings. Is the children demography REALLY higher compared to adults? Anyway, I'm hoping that after night of champions,
CM Punk will be back on the title hunt again, because that's where the character is being more sealed. It's harder to have a perceived
"main" character that doesn't have a title. A title for Punk that he could maintain for a longer time would mean instilling a change. Probably
make CM Punk involved with the Rock and Cena. Or probably, just remove Cena completely from that main event. He just sucks. Maybe, CM/Rock will create
more tensions. I'm counting on some Monday nights before Survivor Series where The Rock will be back and do a lot of talking with CM Punk. I
wouldn't expect something from Cena, because he's script looks "scripted".
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Joeldacat
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My interest has dropped a lot in the main storyline, the WWE isn't as hot as it was a little while ago. I still maintain:
The only time wrestling is amazing is when there is a sense of major threat. When Nexus came and jumped everyone, it seemed like the whole WWE was
threatened. When CM Punk ran off with the title, the WWE was threatened. The nWo threatened all of WCW.
Now, this is just another storyline all based around a stupid text message, the end result, regardless of WHO sent the thing, is all the same. Punk
got screwed at Summerslam. He doesn't even so pissed off about that.
In theory, HHH's new COO position is under attack. This is also really, really dumb to me. If the board had Vince McMahon step down for HHH to
take over- that's a HUGE deal; that's a big deal on the business end of things. Why in the FUCK would they let that be put in jeopardy so
soon, in a *wrestling* match? Are we to believe that HHH's COO position is just another on-screen position like General Manager? HHH in power,
which I, and a lot of others, *want* to believe is kayfabe and indicative of a new era, loses serious credibility because of this stip against Punk,
and it's stupid.
I dun' got got.
X-Box Live: Mr Whale Jr. Message me who you are, though!
When the plane full of wrestlers crashed in the Arctic, he became known as "Nourishing" Rick Rude.
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by Joeldacat
In theory, HHH's new COO position is under attack. This is also really, really dumb to me. If the board had Vince McMahon step down for HHH to
take over- that's a HUGE deal; that's a big deal on the business end of things. Why in the FUCK would they let that be put in jeopardy so
soon, in a *wrestling* match? Are we to believe that HHH's COO position is just another on-screen position like General Manager? HHH in power,
which I, and a lot of others, *want* to believe is kayfabe and indicative of a new era, loses serious credibility because of this stip against Punk,
and it's stupid.
This.
Last night, WWE walked away from any logic in this story.
1- HHH keeps talking about how he promised the board he couldn't get physical because it was bad for business. They even highlighted it by
putting it in the preceding video package. But he just punches Nash in the face for nothing. God forbid he do the logical thing and just let Punk do
it.
2 - Last week, Nash revealed he had a guaranteed contract, which stopped HHH from firing him, but this week he did it anyway.
3 - HHH says this whole thing is personal, not business. So suddenly the board is ok with him either crippling a superstar who he admits makes money,
or losing their COO, just because HHH is pissed off? That board of directors is almost as smart as the network.
4- Even if it turns out Punk is in cahoots with Nash, it makes no sense for him to not say "Oh, no dq? What, so your buddy Nash can interfere? Do you
think I'm an idiot?" Instead Punk looks like an idiot, just like when he, for the second week in a row, stood around instead of attacking the
guy he supposedly hates.
Other issues besides this angle:
Gotta love the Christian/ADR interaction. "Look Alberto, even though you took me out for 6 months, I still like you just because I hate Randy Orton
and the fans. But I am too smart to be manipulated into attacking John Cena...But I'll do it anyway."
When they mentioned Ryder being Long's assistant, did anyone else try to remember the last time that was acknowledged on tv? Also, why did HHH
stop torturing Cole, who was at his insufferable best?
As for Cena, I didnt think the superman finish was overly super. After all, he beat 2 guys who were bickering and who had done most of the work in a
15 minute match, while Cena was totally fresh. If the announcers had thought to mention that (JR), it wouldn't have been as bad as the SuperPunk
finish that nobody cared about because they love Punk.
The first undisputed OO draft champion of the world
Get the pistons pumping and let the pigeons loose on my yambag
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diablo_dor
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Yeah, the Punk thing was worse than Cena going "super" but then I'd rather seen anyone else (almost even Henry, though maybe not that) get the
squash win instead of Orton.
If you think about it almost every match was a squash, and still they haven't really helped build any of the matches for the PPV.
The only new match was set up with NO interaction between the teams.
They started another Ryder push and unless he somehow gets slotted into the US title match he won't see the PPV.
A few tweaks would achieve the same results & not kind of buried the Awesome Truth team, have them attack (even verbally) during the champs match only
for Kofi & Bourne to stop the interference in the punk match doesn't imply Punk is that far above the possible next champs.
I know Punk mentioned a few times that Miz is the poster boy for corporate script interviews & isn't Bourne an obvious "different" wrestler?
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JB KING
 
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Couldn't help it
[Edited on 9-8-2011 by JB KING]
Two time Winner for 2010 Breakthrough Poster of the Year Award. You read that right.
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cloak and dagger
Creepy Little Bastard
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And finally, my resolve has crumbled.
If Nash can't keep up on the mic, why keep sending him out there? Why does CM Punk keep decimating that poor guy so bad? Why is it so hard to
keep the logic holes from being big enough to walk through? Why isn't Punk just doing his damndest to keep within the title picture?
Most importantly --- why'd he come back so early? If they had just rehashed the HBK / Razor / dueling titles storyline, I'd have been over
the moon. Could you have imagined CM Punk being social media CM Punk til WrestleMania? He's out of the public eye for a while. John Cena
supermans his way to a win over The Rock for the title. Cena's celebrating his win, fireworks go off, and CM Punk interrupts the
celebration.
"Did you forget? I'M the best in the world."
Instead, they're really starting to TNA things up lately. We have everybody from Nash, to Punk, to Lawler racing to see who can damage the
business the fastest. I fail to understand why.
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
"...and everything I touch, shall wither and die."
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mark markham
M4M - Looking 2 Meet Texan 5
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I think almost everyone on here agreed that they rushed Punk back too quickly and that things should have been allowed to slow burn. At the same time
I think the majority of us also understood why WWE decided to bring him back. Punk was bringing new eyes/long lapsed eyes to the product only to not
be included in the product. They kind of had to give the people what they wanted. How they have handled Punk since his return is subjective. I still
say he is entertaining and that the HHH vs. Punk match should be a pretty good one with several entertaining potential storylines to come out of it.
The stuff with Nash seems to be a clear mistep because apparently nothing will come out of it at this time. Unless the "release" is a swerve for the
storyline. I've got to think that creative thought that Nash could hang with Punk at least verbally, but it just fell flat or they
wouldn't have tried to do anything with Nash in the first place.
I actually wanted to post that the Daniel Bryan vs. Heath Slater match from Superstars was pretty good. If anyone actually cared about Slater it would
have better.
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* The sign with the CM Punk logo with the fist holding an ice cream bar instead of a lightning bolt was brilliant.
* Had to reach deep into the Way-Back Machine to remember the Super Shredder reference. Nice.
* "Best of luck in your future endeavors." Best line Punk's ever uttered.
* Ricardo Rodriguez is becoming a smarmy, face-punchable Latin Paul Bearer. And I like it.
* OK, if Miz & Truth keep this up they're going to reach E&C; levels.
* Cena: "Sunglasses indoors?" In case you forgot, WM28 is 7 months away. Kinda like the Sheamus thing last week... it's the little things
that makes Cena so good.
* Swagger tagging himself in to apply a double submission and get the win was a rare piece of strategic brilliance often not seen in "competitive"
wrestling.
* Like calling Sheamus the Great White. Would like it more if he incorporated a shark into his merchandising. Maybe a white shark with a tuft of red
hair on his dorsal fin. :-)
* Sheamus freight-training Ziggler in pursuit of Christian was awesome.
Rant: OK, I'm sick of everyone bitching about "Super Cena." Every top face or top heel does the Superman routine. Hulk Hogan built a 20-year
career around it. Mr. Perfect and Randy Orton always seemed to hit their finishers "out of nowhere" after getting the hell beat out of them for 10
minutes. Give Austin a beer and he could beat hell out of the entire locker room and fight through two dozen security guards just to land one
glancing punch on Vince McMahon.
The Superman Routine is not sole property of "competitive" wrestling. It's not something they pulled out of comic books because "the good
guy always has to win in the end." In real competitive environments, plenty of good teams, even average teams, can hang around with great teams for
a quarter, a half, even three quarters. But the great teams elevate their games when it matters most and pull out victories. How many times did Jack
Nicklaus fight off challengers in epic fashion? (until age 46, by the way) Cena's the top face, he's going to do his Superman thing every
now and then and the fans go home giddy. And by the way, this was against freakin' Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler. Not Bret Hart and Shawn
Michaels circa 1995.
I'm not a Cena mark, but it can be argued that the guy has done as much to keep WWE afloat in the post-Benoit era as anybody. He's now in
his prime and he's as good an all-around talent as there is today. You don't like his character, you don't like his move set, you
don't like a white guy being pseudo-hip-hop or pandering to little kids, fine. (although you'll love it when one of those kids is YOUR
kid) But don't try to disagree with how talented a performer this guy is, because you'll look just as stupid as Kevin Nash did when Punk
wished him well in his future endeavors. And if Cena does the Superman thing every now and then, well hey, you should know by now that's part
of the show and if anyone on these boards right now doesn't understand that, they clearly have lost touch with the product.
End Rant.
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