Riko
ButtViper
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Randy Orton DVD
I Know we always complain about Randy Orton and everything, but I was interested in seeing the documentary on this dvd. And I have to say, I liked it.
Orton came across as..gasp...a generally nice guy. He talked about his carreer and how he had issues when he was first put in the main event (he
admitted he was a big dick). He mentions his drug use (in ways that can only happen on a PG dvd ofcourse). The greatest letdown is that they treated
his feud with Punk (which was the overarching plot of the dvd, which followed Orton to wrestlemania) as being real (I guess we still kayfabe for
kids). The matches were the ones I would have chosen aswell. I mainly liked his backlash hardcore match with Foley (which oddly enough wasn't
mentioned in the documentary). Still great to look at. Overall i enjoyed it.
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Chris Is Good517
 
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You're actually like third person that I've heard say that the documentary part of the dvd is really worth watching. I think I'll
stream it on Netflix.
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Paddlefoot
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I'd watch it but I'm afraid it might put me to sleep. Unconscious sleep, that it.
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I downloaded the soundtrack to "Song of the South," and it's 45 minutes of whipcracks, women pleading "please, no," and people screaming.
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Gobshite
The Rowdy One 
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Don't be afraid. I've just finished watching it. The documentary part is VERY GOOD. It's 90 minutes, very open and honest, addresses
his past behaviour as a dickhead and a drug user, and makes me think that the Randy Orton we all dispised years ago simply doesn't exist any
more.
Definitely netflix it, or grab it off piratebay. It's defintely worth it.
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Flash
Man of a Thousand Holds
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Just finished watching it and I too was very impressed with the documentary portion (that's all I downloaded).
I think its easy to forget just how long Orton has been in the busines, and in seeing that play out it does kind of open the door to realizing that
he's perhaps not quite the same guy we saw for so many years and grew to despise.
I never quite "hated" Orton like a lot of people did, but for a lot of his career it kind of just felt like he was "there", and for the top heel
in a company I don't think that's really the vibe you want to get from them. I think the guy still has some growing to do as evidenced by
the recent Kelly Kelly comments he made, but when you compare his what appeared to be genuine remorse in the light of the comments you can see where
he's grown up a lot as a person.
Performance wise I don't think there's another wrestler in the WWE who has added to, and continue to add to, their move set like he has in
the last few months, so I see him making gains on that front as well, and I think its already been paying off for him as Orton's often been
involved in some of the better matches (or least pretty solid) for a good run of PPV's now.
I think the biggest thing that's still in his way to being seen as a real legend in this business is that I don't think he's quite
ever "made" anyone. I would point to his string of losses to Miz last year as an attempt to do so, but for whatever reasons Orton was beginning his
own genesis as a massively over face while this was all going on, so I think the losses to Miz didn't quite pan out the way they would have
against the old, stale, chink-lock RKO.
While I wouldn't want it to last, I'm hoping Henry does a one and done with Orton and takes the belt from him wherein he can then go on to
face Sheamus or something freeing Orton up to perhaps help make someone like a Dolph Ziggler or Jack Swagger to help bide some time until his next top
level run. I'm hoping Miz and Truth take the belts at the PPV so I'd even suggest that to help promote the tag-division it might not be a
bad idea to pair Orton up with an up and comer to face miz and truth...
Anyway, the documentary is well worth checking out and really does make you look at Orton in a different way. Here's hoping he continues to
improve both in and out of the ring.
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OORick
You and what army? 
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| posted on 9-12-2011 at 01:02 AM |
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The Randy Orton we all knew and despised years ago has made his presence felt in multiple radio interviews as recently as this summer. So don't
go making grand proclaimations of his newfound basic human decency just yet.
I'd wager what you're seeing here is a guy who doesn't really have it in him to make a 180-degree turnaround as a person, but so
long as he's a babyface on TV he (and the company that's producing the DVD) has a vested interest in him coming off as likeable,
they're both trying extra hard to make him seem presently-undouchey (which is easy if you're only making it relative to his douchey
past).
So here's hoping he stays a babyface for a while. If he's forced to ask the question "What would I do in this situation?" enough times,
and always remembers "OK, that's what a twatwaffle would do," he may eventually get used to doing the exact opposite in his on-going attempt
to be a well-adjusted member of society.
Plus, even I think being a babyface has done wonders for Randall's in-ring work, so that's another plus. From antagonizingly lethargic to
watchably competent in one simple face turn. Still: he tried to bring back the Garvin Stomp at some point in the last two weeks, and that dog
won't hunt monsignor. Babyface, Randy, babyface. Dynamism. Getting the ever loving shit beat out of you by a heel. For an extended period of
time. The perfunctory fire-up and RKO out of nowhere. Keep trying hard, and maybe you'll be less the Lex Luger of this generation, and more the
DDP.
Anyways: I think, for the time being, I'll not waste my time with the DVD... I still think Orton's "DVD-worthy/rewatchable" matches can
be counted on one hand with finger(s) left over, so there's no benefit there. And watching a documentary on Orton strikes me as being not
dissimilar to watching a documentary on Paris Hilton: both were born into good situations and are beloved by stupid people despite possessing only
limited talents, and most importantly, I have never given a shit about them, so why would I start celebrating mediocrity now?
But your mileage may vary....
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
-- Venus Flytrap speaking on The Rick
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Flash
Man of a Thousand Holds
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You know one thing that jumped out at me seeing this, expecially after having watched the Cena documentary a few months back, is that the WWE keeps
hammering home just how much these guys are on the road, the burnout, the injuries, and the toll this takes on themselves and their families... what
they never answer is why the WWE continues this format knowing the cost.
They did make mention of Orton being home for the odd extended stay of 12 day stretches, but they never elaborated on this... like does the WWE gives
guys little mini-vacations from all non-tv for a stretch, were these injured periods, or was it just a case that all the tv and house show venues were
within close enough commutes that he can sleep in his own bed that night?
These DVD's kinda make you feel for the wrestlers who endure this, but I'm finding more and more they really aren't making the WWE
all that appealing of an employer to work for.
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Jumbie
And I am AWESOME
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"Orton came across as..gasp...a generally nice guy."
"makes me think that the Randy Orton we all dispised years ago simply doesn't exist any more. "
"he's perhaps not quite the same guy we saw for so many years and grew to despise. "
You know that old rule: If it's on TV it's a work...? We need to update it, so that if it's on DVD it's a work too.
Same goes for this:
"These DVD's kinda make you feel for the wrestlers who endure this"
Clearly, it's a demanding job, but it plays to the WWE's portrayal of the faces to make them seem like they're sacrificing even more
than they might be. If they are working at quite the level the DVD's indicate, I can't say, but I'm not buying it at face value.
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That said, I have to join the chorus and say that I'm pleased with Orton's face ringwork. For instance: the way he now swings people into
the hangman DDT from inside the ring makes him look both more dynamic and more facelike.
I wish he'd break out that 80's movie mid-air split again too.
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The Threadkiller
Creepy Little Bastard
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quote:
Originally posted by Jumbie
That said, I have to join the chorus and say that I'm pleased with Orton's face ringwork. For instance: the way he now swings people into
the hangman DDT from inside the ring makes him look both more dynamic and more facelike.
Seconded. I actually look forward to his matches now, and I couldn't stand him as recently as three months ago. I wonder how much of this has
been from working with Christian (and maybe Edge, who he's starting to remind me of in the ring).
quote:
Originally posted by Flash
You know one thing that jumped out at me seeing this, expecially after having watched the Cena documentary a few months back, is that the WWE keeps
hammering home just how much these guys are on the road, the burnout, the injuries, and the toll this takes on themselves and their families... what
they never answer is why the WWE continues this format knowing the cost.
They're making money. Without all the TV pyro, sets, cameramen, etc., the house shows have to be almost pure profit. (IIRC, the wrestlers even
pay their own travel expenses.) They move a ton of merchandise and can set up autograph signings, etc., to make even more money at each stop.
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by The Threadkiller
They're making money. Without all the TV pyro, sets, cameramen, etc., the house shows have to be almost pure profit.
Except that the house show market is supposedly pretty dead right now.
Gee, I wish I was still alive- LuckyLopez R.I.P.
Bachmann: "I haven't had a gaffe... when it comes to the best Republican who take
on Barack Obama and not have any clunker in my record to be able to take him on, it's me."
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