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posted on 2-17-2016 at 06:10 PM
I'm starting to wonder if one of these seasons focuses on post-Walter White Saul. I mean I know bad things happen to some of these guys but I
would think if something bad happened to Kim, Jimmy wouldn't become Saul, but a depressed mess of a human being incapable of guiding the
Heisenberg empire business. Things could have ended poorly for them as a couple, sure (and probably did), but with Jimmy's Cinnabon career
being as it is, I would think eventually she pops up in the present.
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posted on 2-17-2016 at 06:26 PM
The first connection to Breaking Bad in this new season occurred with the snotty financial advisor in the bar that Jimmy stuck with the bill for the
$50 a shot tequila. That was the same d-bag with the "KEN WINS" license plate who had his BWM set on fire when Walter White put the windshield
squeegee across his battery terminals.
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posted on 2-17-2016 at 10:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
The first connection to Breaking Bad in this new season occurred with the snotty financial advisor in the bar that Jimmy stuck with the bill for the
$50 a shot tequila. That was the same d-bag with the "KEN WINS" license plate who had his BWM set on fire when Walter White put the windshield
squeegee across his battery terminals.
That's awesome. I love how Gilligan things like this but I bet we don't pick up on a lot of this kind of stuff.
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posted on 2-18-2016 at 03:38 AM
For starters, "Ken Wins" is an "easter egg?" Really? I'm not a "Breaking Bad" chpater-and-verse type (I got into it late, so I watched it
once, and then rewatched it all one more time before the final batch of episodes), but I started giggling as soon as "Ken Wins" showed up at the
bar, douching into his bluetooth. That was an easter hand grenade.
Any concerns that I had about maybe picking the wrong guy/actor were assuaged as soon as he introduced himself as "Ken," and Kim made a point to the
ol' "Mmmmm, so yer name is Ken, I'm totally gonna remember that" on the way out....
quote:Originally posted by nOOb
I'm starting to wonder if one of these seasons focuses on post-Walter White Saul. I mean I know bad things happen to some of these guys but I
would think if something bad happened to Kim, Jimmy wouldn't become Saul, but a depressed mess of a human being incapable of guiding the
Heisenberg empire business. Things could have ended poorly for them as a couple, sure (and probably did), but with Jimmy's Cinnabon career
being as it is, I would think eventually she pops up in the present.
This gets to a bunch of my feelings after the first episode.
Primarily, now more than ever, Jimmy needs a trigger, and I feel like Kim dying is the most easy and believable 180 degree turn they can do (and I
don't really want that to happen). So now, I'm hooked on trying to figure out the other viable hook to get Jimmy to turn to the dark
side.
No joke: part of me though that "Ken Wins" was gonna show up in that last scene, as a client/consultant of Jimmy's new firm, and appear around
the last corner, and just go "What, THIS guy, he's a THIEF?!?!" and his jig would be up..... and instantly, he'd stop trying to impress
Kim, and go back to trying to rob scumbags again, because a scumbag just beat him on his last attempt to go straight.
But at least then, Kim keeps being a Voice of Sanity and a believable-but-attainable goal for JimmySaul (cuz, let's face, it: Kim is all kinds
of hot and successful, and in a way, out of Jimmy's reach, but hey, he's also nailed her and has a real and sincere chemsitry with her) as
he slips towards evil. Rather than just being dead.
We'll see.
The other option you touched on is something I brought up at the very end of last season's thread, but I don't think it caught on..... I
had this giant hard-on for "Better Call Saul" just getting to SAUL. I thought it would happen all within the first season. But then: it
didn't.
And when you add the very first Cinnabon Gene scenes for BOTH seasons, to the slow track and the fact that you MIGHT be limited in narrative scope
once Jimmy turns into Saul, suddenly, I have this sense that "Better Call Saul" has legs AFTER the events of "Breaking Bad," and you can take
another season or two turning him into Saul, but then, do something unprecedented, and have the show pick up after "Breaking Bad" where Gene has to
turn into Saul a SECOND time, because it's the only time where he was ever really happy.
Remember, I called for that 10 months ago. But when they went back to Cinnabon Gene last night, and Cinnabon Gene carved "SG was here" into the
wall, my mind went right back to how that could be a great way to get "Better Call Saul" past 2 or 3 seasons. Doing a period piece, set 15 years ago
and where you know where a lot of the characters end up, has its limitations, so why not do something wacky, like finish season 3 of "Better Call
Saul" and suddenly jump ahead 10 years to Season 12 of the Bad/Saul-niverse, set in the present day?
I know it'd be a bit crazy to pull off, but seriously, it could be worth it to say: "Breaking Bad" was award winning and hailed as one of the
greatest TV shows of all time, and it begat a spin-off called "Better Call Saul," which -- over the course of 6-8 seasons of its own -- was, in
equal parts, both a prequel AND a sequel to the original, because about came before "Breaking Bad" and half came after. No show has ever been a
sequel and prequel to the same show, right?
To say nothing of the ways in which this might permit for some of our newly beloved BCS characters (like Kim and Mike) to necessarily fade away, only
to be repopulated from the Breaking Bad mythology (like Pinkman, or my idea from last year that Ernesto/Ernie is really Gustavo/Gus' son)....
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posted on 2-18-2016 at 04:04 AM
I don't think that anyone from the main cast has to die. It'll probably be more that Jimmy becomes so reckless that he ends up shattering
Kim's career/life simply because she made the mistake of getting too close to him. Skyler's life was wrecked by Walt in BB simply by
proximity, even if at the end of their time together she was an active participant in his money laundering schemes. Death in the Breaking Bad universe
seems to happen mostly to those who get deep into the game, even those who are not criminals like Hank and Gomey. It's still pretty merciless to
those partially-in with the scene, like Pinkman's ex/current-addict girlfriends who both ended up dying. Aside from the kid on the bike that
blundered across Walt's heist of the chemical rail tanker in the desert, and got killed by the one neo-Nazi for it, there didn't seem to
be (unless I'm just not remembering it all very clearly) the widespread death (like wiping out someone's entire family) didn't
happen in BB that would have happened on shows like The Sopranos or The Wire. The lawyers at HHM are simply too high up in a different class strata to
end up as targeted victims of the gangsters. Like in real life, a hundred kids slinging dope on street corners could get killed and no one would care.
Kill one upper-class lawyer though and the entire FBI and DEA will show up and tear the whole town apart.
The thing with the DO NOT TOUCH light switch was good, a re-enforcing of how Jimmy can't help himself even when told not to do something. Be
interesting to see what comes of it, like if they had him on camera when he flipped it, because they set it up on purpose to test if an employee is
compliant or a rebel.
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posted on 2-18-2016 at 08:07 AM
Saw'd it. Love'd it. And picking up the foosball Momma just tossed to me, I think it's quite reasonable for Gilligan and Co. to
break the mold agayn by messing with/adding to the timeline of a show that eventually will be a prequel and a sequel to their original groundbreaker
that was Breaking Bad.
To add to Cap'n's Cinnabon Theory and success permitting of course, I think they'll continue to slow burn the resurrection aspects
of post-Bad Saul to potentially go full tilt into sequel territory. Though I think I read in the long long ago here or elsewhere around the time of
BCS's pre-production, but I recall whomever saying the potential exists for BCS to dovetail into actual scenes from BB that we originally
experienced one way on the latter show and will now get to see them in a different context on BCS. Meaning, Kim and Chuck and all the BCS "regulars"
technically had the potential to still be around on Breaking Bad, we just never had the storyline occasion to see or hear from them. Kind of a reverse
"Ken Wins" scenario, if you wheeyul.
Yes, they probably didn't even exist as characters back then, at least I don't think they were written yet, but as a retcon, why the hell
not? I sure would love to see a brief recreation of some Walt/Saul goodness and then see Jimmy go crawling to Kim or his brother for advice. Or see
Walt or Mike go storming out of Saul's office and see Chuck hiding in the closet listening or Kim walk in immediately after. Then they get to
tease out parallel mindfuck storylines not only happening concurrently within the original show, but potentially having an impact on Cinnabon Era
Jimmy/Saul storylines as well. Be neat if Kim and Jimmy had a three part arc where they were friends/lovers/colleagues during BCS, enemies/ex's
during the transition from BCS to BB, and then reunite during the Cinnabon Era and ride happily off into the sunset...
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posted on 2-20-2016 at 12:26 AM
I don't know if any of you fellas caught Talking Saul, but they touched on a more obscure Easter Egg during that same bar scene-- that expensive
ass tequila is the same brand/bottle that Gus Fring used when he mass poisoned the cartel.
Is everyone mad here?
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posted on 2-20-2016 at 01:08 AM
quote:Originally posted by punkerhardcore
I don't know if any of you fellas caught Talking Saul, but they touched on a more obscure Easter Egg during that same bar scene-- that expensive
ass tequila is the same brand/bottle that Gus Fring used when he mass poisoned the cartel.
Jebus, this damned show is gonna end up with more hidden nuggets and interwoven storylines than Watchmen did. Except I can't exactly flip back
though Breaking Bad so easily as I can a comic book. I don't watch Talking Dead too much I guess because I don't give that much of a shit
seeing how they react week after week regarding so and so getting eaten. But is Talking Bad any good info and easter egg explanation wise?
The one character I'm hoping we see more of is Gus, which I think is well within reason considering Saul and Mike were already associated with
him by the time Walt really started working with them. And to me that means we'll see him relatively soon as those initial interactions with Gus
should be happening not too long from now in the BCS timeline.
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