shashwat mishra
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The Champion at Wrestlemania 32
At Wrestlemania 9, Hal Kogan (yes) who was not even part of the main event walked out the WWF Champion. Bret Hart and Yokozuna and Mr. Fuji and the
whole of Japanese Samoa could only look on in despair.
Do we have a similar situation this year? Who do you think leaves Wrestlemania 32 as the Champion of the World?
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williamssl
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Reigns because obtuse.
Don't Mess With Texas
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janerd75
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Ambrose because thank you sir may I have another.
The science is settled: Fuck Everybody
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Paddlefoot
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Joey Joe Joe Junior. Shabbadoo.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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nOOb
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I just got it. Roman Empire refers to two things: his fans AND a decadent world power from the early AD timeframe. That's clever...I voted
for Reigns.
"The Seahawks are cool. Me and Tubby here hung out with them once at a Bruno Mars concert."-Jay and Silent Bob representing the Broncos on FOX NFL
Sunday.
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salmonjunkie
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I voted the MITB winner, of which there is none at WM because the next time there will be a MITB match will be at the MITB PPV.
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Matte
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I chose MITB winner so I could insert one of my favorite names, Fred Fuchs.
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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Count Zero
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I like the co-champion route: Mabey gets it on Monday nights, and Hal Kogan can work the Smackdowns. No, not TWO titles; one that is shared.
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shashwat mishra
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Really, very very sad that there is no love for Hunter Hearst Helmsley here.
Aristocrats who wrestle and marry well deserve better.
He was Shawn's favourite wrestler, he used to date Chyna and he was equal or superior to The Rock and Austin in atleast 3 people's
minds.
He was clearly above Jericho.
However, it is not about what you or I think.
It is about what he thinks.
He may now see this "poll of obvious importance" and book himself to win MITB and two sets of Title Matches.
[Edited on 3-4-2016 by shashwat mishra]
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CCharger
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Reigns because obtuse.
Yes.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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Flash
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While I still want to hold out for Rollins having been drinking Super-Cena"s up till now miraculous healing factor blood and coming back tomorrow to
pick a fight with HHH and then getting inserted into his match with Reigns.... I've resigned myself to the fact that Reigns is walking out of
Wrestlemania as champion.
The question, and maybe the most exciting occurrence in this match, is how many fans will walk out, turn their back, or drop a Texas sized deuce on
this match should it go on last.... Well, even if goes on first, we will probably get boo's unheard of since Philadelphia in 2015.
I know it would completely defeat the purpose of crowning Reigns by sticking his and HHH's match out there first, well before Reigns bed time,
but I wonder if that's the kind of out of left field booking we might get.... let the fans get it out of their system very early, and then they
can sit back and enjoy the rest of the night. Bonus; should the WWE choose to do so, they could Wrestlemania 9 the end of the show as posted above.
It's sad that how will the fans react versus how oblivious of a booking/announcing/selling this as a good thing that the WWE does, is a far more
intriguing competition than something the WWE has been building towards for years now.
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the goon
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quote:
Originally posted by Flash
The question, and maybe the most exciting occurrence in this match, is how many fans will walk out, turn their back, or drop a Texas sized deuce on
this match should it go on last.... Well, even if goes on first, we will probably get boo's unheard of since Philadelphia in 2015.
Yeah, as much as I have zero interest in Triple H/Reigns, I am very interested to see the crowd reaction. If it goes on last after
Brock/Ambrose and Taker/Shane? God help them both.
Though as you said, maybe the WWE calls an audible and Triple H/Reigns doesn't headline, so that the show doesn't end with a chorus of
boos. I just don't know what would headline in it's place though...for all the great potential that Lesnar/Ambrose and Taker/Shane have,
neither one really screams WrestleMania main event to me (unless Lesnar/Ambrose was for the WWE title and well all know there's no way in fuck
that's gonna happen).
And I guess there's always the chance that Triple H retains, but I think that's an even worse option than Reigns winning back the title,
even if it won't get as universally shat upon by the live crowd.
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Flash
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It's a shame, as many have said that if the WWE hadn't of put the title between HHH and Reigns it could have been a very serviceable to
good match that people could have gotten behind. What's more, the title could have been used to further any one of your other feud's you
have going.
Yeah, the pool of other top end matches is a bit light this year, but think of how different your road to wrestlemania corridor could have been
without actually having to be all that different.... Taker vs Cena (yeah I know appears to be out)... The Undertaker in Texas facing off against
potentially the world record tying John Cena.... Or Brock wins the Rumble, get's you some main stream news, and now if Ambrose goes over him at
WM it's a freakin' career defining moment on your biggest stage (think Austin over HBK) instead of just another match... Or how about you
drop the world title down a few spots and go with Sheamus regaining the title and facing some new, but very over guy like Zayn, Joe, AJ, Balor....
etc, you don't have to even move the title off Sheamus, but it puts a bit more heat on a random match that would probably net you a few more
subscriptions (WM is now free btw for new subscribers). What about that Owens guy who seems to be incredibly over... him winning the title at the RR
and fending off some face while wielding both the IC and WWE titles would not only elevated another potential superstar for you, but also give you a
very good, and now elevated heel to take on your hopefully better liked Reigns now that he isn't facing HHH for the title... even if you wanted
to save that how about Owens facing a returning Cena, Rollins, or some NXT guy from the list of talent above....
In short, the WWE double down on the title adds absolutely nothing to Reigns versus HHH, and puts the heat on the title instead of the guy they want
to get over, and right back onto the fans making them the story... They're daring us say screw you WWE. I'm really not sure how saying
this is our guy in the face of your own fans pissing on your product on your big night is a good idea. What's worse, is that not only do they
have to work ten times as hard to get fans to like a guy who may ultimately not turn into the cash cow that they want, they are alienating fans, and
again sending the message that they don't care about the now, but hang with us cause it might get better... one day.
It's a terrible comparison, but I sometimes think WWE fans are suffering from battered wife syndrome, and Vince and company are all some wife
beater wearing clowns who keep promising us they'll do better, until the next time we burn the damn roast.
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shashwat mishra
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quote:
Originally posted by Flash
now if Ambrose goes over him at WM it's a freakin' career defining moment on your biggest stage (think Austin over HBK) instead of just
another match... .
Wrestlemania has a legacy of many many career defining moments and matches which have lingered on in memories. Many of these moments and matches were
created over time, given the right build up and the slow burn treatment till you thristed to see the payoff (Bret Vs Austin, Bret Vs Shawn, Rock-Cena,
Austin Vs Shawn etc) . At the very least you created intrigue (Rock-Hogan, Razor - Shawn etc)
Now it would appear that they have a tough time crafting a six month long feud except when it comes to Reigns Vs The Audience.
The mid card is filled with all these superstars who can win or lose to each other on any given day. A win does not matter, a loss does not matter.
Any feud for the IC or US Title is usually unremarkable (don't care of Kallisto or Del Rio have another 5 matches).
Vince is supposed to be this super smart business guy. He does know we love to watch/read/discuss wrestling. Who is he catering to? When I see the WWE
Title scenario, it is yawn worthy at best. Obviously I am hoping that post Wrestlemania, Vince will announce a fresh start, make Smackdown relevant
again, go back to some unpredictable and non-PG booking.
But then, I am also hoping that I get to hear of alien life before my time is up
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SpiNNeR72
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I went for MITB winner but I really dont care who, it's more a case of "none of the above". If it has to be one, I'd prefer HHH to
retain.
It will never happen, but WWE has a fantastic chance to crown a mega-babyface champ this year. It really doesn't matter who it is, so long as
it's not Reigns.
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Count Zero
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quote:
Originally posted by Flash
if the WWE hadn't of put the title
Okay, I'm going to be a little nitpicky, but not maliciously. You actually do write well, so I'm looking at this as a chance to educate.
What you're going for is "hadn't've" (which is technically correct use of apostrophes, but HIGHLY uncommon in modern English) or
"hadn't have". What you're contractioning is "if the wwe had not have put the title", which is awkward in any situation, but
regardless, there is no 'of' in that phrase.
Sorry for breaking up the flow of the thread; we now return you to your regularly scheduled wrasslin stuff 'n' things.quote:
Originally
posted by shashwat mishra
Vince is supposed to be this super smart business guy. He does know we love to watch/read/discuss wrestling. Who is he catering to?
"We"
who love to discuss/etc are not the target audience. We're a smaller-than-average part of the combined audience. I say the following without
sarcasm and with no malice: with Roman, they're catering to the "kids" and "marks". i.e., people who don't put so much thought into
EVERYTHING, and can be convinced that "this guy is a cool dude, let's cheer for him". They're trying to make him into this
generation's Hal Kogan, or John Cena, or whatever parallel you want to draw. When Roman comes out, the two most vocal fanbases he's got
are "girls who think he's sexay" and "kids who think he's cool". Unfortunately those aren't the majority of "The WWE
Universe" either, so the crowd reaction is mixed-to-apathetic, depending on how loud the above two focus groups can get on a given night.
The WWE Universe is a strange creature composed of many different subgroups, and it's terribly difficult to appeal to ALL of it at the same
time. For example, if you're writing for "Quantico", it's easier to define your fanbase than it is for "WWE Monday Night Raw".
Quantico gets to aim at adults who are interested in "mystery"-type mature subject matter (or people who are familiar with the prior work of
Priyanka Chopra, since she's apparently Kind Of A Big Deal in Bollywood). Raw is trying to grow kids into the next generation of fans, while
still appealing to the last generation, and taking into account that "families" go to the shows, and "single males" go to the shows, and sometimes
the crowds are smarky and sometimes they're willing to play along, and so on.
[Edited on 3-7-2016 by Count Zero]
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shashwat mishra
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Nice post Count.
I am getting old and nitpicky but I am having a hard time pulling out really memorable wrestling moments unless it is from the 1990s and 2000s.
You are right about the WWE having its work cut out due to a very varied audience.
I understand that most companies will try to force feed their product (sorry Roman) through an ad blitz or through brand creation. The WWE however has
the advantage of instant consumer feedback - the live audience and thousands of wise smarks on social media. I cannot believe that they think that
status quo with the most important title of all is the best way to go for the biggest event of the year. May be it is too late.
This is where I am hoping that post Wrestlemania, they try and make Smackdown a competitor to Raw with an entirely different positioning. It is worth
an attempt.
I also wonder that they don't invite in writers/experts like The Rick and Wade Keller to write regularly for the shows.
You like Priyanka Chopra, Count?
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Count Zero
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quote:
Originally posted by shashwat mishra
You like Priyanka Chopra, Count?
Honestly, I just recently found out her name wasn't "Bianca". That's what I thought they were
saying in the ads for 'Quantico'.  *lols at myself* And then I happened to see an ad for her new Bollywood film, and I was able to
say to myself "that's that Priyanka lady!". I rely on the internet to get Star Sports/Ten Sports/Other networks where cricket (and NxT!) is
actually broadcast. So I wouldn't count as a fan, but I could maybe recognize her on the street. 
So if WM isn't fantastic, at least I have the World T20 tourney to look forward to!
And I know what you mean about getting into the advanced years. Watching the Shane-o-Mac highlight video thing on Raw tonight, I realized that I saw
a lot of that stuff when it originally happened... and that was a long time ago... 
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shashwat mishra
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Oh man, cricket too? You from India by any chance? Years ago I interacted with someone called Sriram "on this very board, at this very website in
this very ring..." The only Indian I ever met on Online Onslaught. There may be some others lurking but I am not sure if any one posts regularly.
Sigh, I have now started missing people I never met:
Jeb - he was eloquent. No idea if he is still here.
Alana - She was pretty and Rick liked her, maybe he still does.
Moosehead Jack - I fought him in a fantasy tourney.
Stormtrooper - He hated the Undertaker and I loved the Undertaker
and so many others....may be they all grew up and moved away or just went silent....perhaps I should go and check Wankipedia
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shashwat mishra
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quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
I went for MITB winner but I really dont care who, it's more a case of "none of the above". If it has to be one, I'd prefer HHH to
retain.
It will never happen, but WWE has a fantastic chance to crown a mega-babyface champ this year. It really doesn't matter who it is, so long as
it's not Reigns.
Since HHH is really secretly and openly going after Flair's legacy of the maximum number of "World Heavyweight Titles", you can probably bet
he is going to drop the Title and start a full feud with Roman. The feud will involve multiple title switches so that HHH becomes a 21 time champ and
Roman a 6 time champ. Then Roman becomes a "Great" and is inducted in 2017. Vince then gasps for joy and retires
I get your sentiment of getting behind Ambrose or HHH though!!
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Count Zero
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quote:
Originally posted by shashwat mishra
Oh man, cricket too? You from India by any chance? Years ago I interacted with someone called Sriram "on this very board, at this very website in
this very ring..." The only Indian I ever met on Online Onslaught. There may be some others lurking but I am not sure if any one posts regularly.
I'm about as far away from India as possible. I'm Canadian, and just weird enough that I developped an obsession with cricket despite
never playing it, or growing up with anybody who ever did. 
Jeb is on the twitters now, if you feel like doing that kind of thing. @Mobute is his 'handle', I think I spelled it properly. Anywho,
once upon a long time ago, he & I exchanged a few emails on how boring HHH could be. Ahhh... Memory Lane.
Originally posted by williamssl
"That hasn't stopped us from doing this shit before!"
"Checkmate, sir. Checkmate"
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shashwat mishra
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Yeah Cricket is cool. More so when you like your distractions long, involving and exciting. The T20 is a shorter version and more unpredictable and
hence more fun for most people in this day and age.
Checked out Jeb's handle. Thanks.
Interesting that as per the poll currently Hal Kogan has more of a chance of winning the title at Wrestlemania 32 than either Brock or HHH. Clearly
tells you what the peeps think of WWE's booking and the predictability thereof.
Is HHH's winning the title only to drop to Roman the most predictable story of all time? Can they surprise us?
I am not holding my breath but watch out!!
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salmonjunkie
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Jeb isn't here anymore, but as Count said, he is on Twitter. He's also been writing articles for Rolling Stone and The Guardian, and even
made TV appearances on MSNBC. Go check his handsome ass out on the interwebs!
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shashwat mishra
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Yeah thanks salmonjunkie, I actually did.
Glad to see he has made a name for himself in media
Kinda like to see OOers doing well. Been lurking here since I was a post grad student so in a way feel connected!!
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