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Subject: OOfficial Discussion Thread for: RAW (March 21, 2016)
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 03:42 AM
It's Mickie
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 03:42 AM
Golddust comes out, crowd stays silent.
Uso's come out, crowd boo's. Yeah, that was brilliant. Don't give the Uso's Roman's heat!
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 03:43 AM
quote:Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Thought that was Mickie James.
WHO HAS ANSWERS???
Can't be.. not fat enough? (I forget which nasty bitch diva called her fat, I am not sincerely body-shaming Mickie,
cuz I woulda tapped that a.. ahem. Anywho. EVIL BITCH DIVAS! )
These bitches...
The science is settled: Fuck Everybody
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 03:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by Nobledictator1278
This show feels like its never going to end. Why am I watching this when I can be watching Better Call Saul. This has been such a lack luster WM
season. I mean the card has some promise but the build ups have been so meh. I dont' know if its Im getting older or what, but Im really
disappointed that the time of year of wrestling I look the most forward too is like this.
Vince just came out. Show over?
But seriously, I was actually feeling the opposite of you until right about now. It felt like a 2 hour raw... well, okay I channel flipped during the
video packages, so that might've helped. But barring that, the matches were pretty good, and they kept the yak-yak to a minimum, until the clock
struck Vince.
That clock has been future endeavoured. We wish it well in any upcoming projects.
Originally posted by williamssl
"That hasn't stopped us from doing this shit before!"
"Checkmate, sir. Checkmate"
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 03:51 AM
quote:Originally posted by janerd75
quote:Originally posted by Count Zero
Can't be.. not fat enough? (I forget which nasty bitch diva called her fat, I am not sincerely body-shaming Mickie, cuz I woulda tapped that
a.. ahem. Anywho. EVIL BITCH DIVAS! )
These bitches...
Dammit. I forgot that Layla was evil LayCool. A pox on my house! McCool was the wife of Satantaker, for sure, but Layla... was just misguided and
led astray?
I .... may have a slight fondness for Layla. A slight fondness in my pants, Beavis. Huh. Huh huh.
And also, popular opinion says it -was- Mickie. She just looks meaner than I remember her looking, thus why I guessed Heel Diva Ivory.
I'll just go stand in the corner of shame, and refresh my memory with the Divas Thread.
[Edited on 3-22-2016 by Count Zero]
Originally posted by williamssl
"That hasn't stopped us from doing this shit before!"
"Checkmate, sir. Checkmate"
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 04:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by Count Zero
And also, popular opinion says it -was- Mickie. She just looks meaner than I remember her looking, thus why I guessed Heel Diva Ivory.
She only looks meaner than usual because everyone was supposed to be somber and emotionless for that segment.
[Edited on 3-22-2016 by Matte]
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 04:03 AM
Which brings me back around to the original question, because I'm having a brain-cramp as to what that segment even was... I'm
getting old and forgetful. Or just forgetful. Or.. I forgot what my next "or" was.
Originally posted by williamssl
"That hasn't stopped us from doing this shit before!"
"Checkmate, sir. Checkmate"
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 04:06 AM
Vince was walking out to his limo to get blown up. London smiled because he's a crazy fuck. Then they ditched the story because Benoit had a
meltdown.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 04:11 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I remember the dirt sheets saying something about Benoit that night. Speeding ticket, right?
Anyway, that Owens/Styles match....more please.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 04:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by Count Zero
I'd like to see this tonight on RAW. It would sure put some sizzle on the Bucky&Vince; (the Assholey Alliance?) vs StepHHH
match..
Personally, I prefer "Beaverlution"... and you know what THAT means....
It's time for sing along with CM Crunk!
Beaverlution is a mystery
Full of job security
Wants to make a fool of NXT
Like the taste of Vince's balls, just go easy on the teeth
Without him I got no place to be.
I feed the lies to McMahon
I've got grapefruit... juice on tap!
Thank God my Dad saved those tapes!
Beaverlution!
Beaverlution!
Seeing the business change
Nothing ever stays the same
But you know I'll just blame The Game
That big nosed freak and Stephanie
Who'd probably like to see me leave
Smart ass marks, Kevin Steen
I see the line in the sand
Can't seem to direct, I'm a sham!
Fighting back the urge to build a dam!
Beaverlution!
Beaverlution!
[Edited on 3/22/2016 by CM Crunk]
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 04:17 AM
quote:Originally posted by denverpunk
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I remember the dirt sheets saying something about Benoit that night. Speeding ticket, right?
Yup, and on a suspended license, no less.
And I'm totally with you on AJ/KO. And I'm totally with the crowd on Ambrose/Strowman. That was painful to watch and a horrible match to
main event with. I really hope Strowman isn't getting the monster push we've heard little whispers of.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 04:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by Matte
Vince was walking out to his limo to get blown up. London smiled because he's a crazy fuck. Then they ditched the story because Benoit had a
meltdown.
Ahhhh, okay. That would explain everything I needed explained! I remember the limo 'sploding, but I probably
didn't pay attention to a WALKING~! segment, and that would by why it's not in my reference bank.
Originally posted by williamssl
"That hasn't stopped us from doing this shit before!"
"Checkmate, sir. Checkmate"
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 04:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
quote:Originally posted by Count Zero
I'd like to see this tonight on RAW. It would sure put some sizzle on the Bucky&Vince; (the Assholey Alliance?) vs StepHHH match..
Personally, I prefer "Beaverlution"...
[align=center]Beaverlution is a mystery
Full of job security
Wants to make a fool of NXT
Like the taste of Vince's balls, just go easy on the teeth
Without him I got no place to be.
I feed the lies to McMahon
I've got grapefruit... juice on tap!
Thank God my Dad saved those tapes!
Beaverlution!
Beaverlution!
Seeing the business change
Nothing ever stays the same
But you know I'll just blame The Game
That big nosed freak and Stephanie
Would probably like to see me leave
Smart ass marks, Kevin Steen
https://cdn.slantnews.com/articles/83500e30-4102-11e5-908a-0193dca05497/83500e31-4102-11e5-908a-0193dca05497/media_815577e0-411c-11e5-9d45-2916713ca3f
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I see the line in the sand
Can't seem to direct, I'm a sham!
Fighting back the urge to build a dam!
Beaverlution!
Beaverlution!
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[Edited on 3/22/2016 by CM Crunk]
Looks like we had a premature e-j-"horn of unicorn awarding"-ulation in this thread. Nice work
Don't Mess With Texas
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 04:50 AM
quote:Originally posted by williamssl
Looks like we had a premature e-j-"horn of unicorn awarding"-ulation in this thread. Nice work
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 05:20 AM
quote:Originally posted by williamssl
Looks like we had a premature e-j-"horn of unicorn awarding"-ulation in this thread. Nice work
I still prefer the Legend of Ambrosevania joke, but I can appropriately recognize genius when I see it. This deserves a prize for the sheer amount of
work it took, and the absolute hilarity that ensued. Lemme look in the Reward Bag. *looks* OOooohhh... I hope you enjoy cupcakes AND gold stars!
I don't even know how it didn't get squished in there, but something something magic cupcakes? Now excuse me while I head down to
DeCiccos' and pick up a Tiny Unicorn for my apartment. I didn't even know they made them in that size. Friggin SWEET.
[Edited on 3-22-2016 by Count Zero]
Originally posted by williamssl
"That hasn't stopped us from doing this shit before!"
"Checkmate, sir. Checkmate"
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 05:52 AM
So is Ambrose main eventing RAW again a big deal...or is the 10pm hour kinda the death spot for RAW and they really don't care who ends the
show?
I'm honestly not sure...but if the Vince being down on Roman rumors are true AND Ambrose getting the ME means something...could Triple H retain
at Mania?
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 05:56 AM
There's reports that Luke Harper may have seriously injured his leg during the post-RAW dark match main event. Also, a fan was forcibly ejected
by security after taking a swing at Braun Strowman during the same match.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 06:21 AM
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
Also, a fan was forcibly ejected by security after taking a swing at Braun Strowman during the same match.
Ah Philly...always classy.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 06:57 AM
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how anyone can be stoked about the IC title being defended in a meaningless ladder match. It's just
lazy booking, and gives me the idea that creative either:
A.) Doesn't think Owens/Zayne is worthy of being a singles match, yet thinks Ryback/Kalisto is.
B.) Doesn't think Owens is important enough to be spotlighted in a singles match
C.) Doesn't look at Owens as someone who has a significant future as a STAR
D.) Once again has no idea how to book anyone in the midcard in any sort of meaningful position, so just lumps them all together in what is simply
becoming a blur of ladder matches that have no emotional significance to them.
Or, the dreaded..
E.) All of the above
I was super-stoked to think that maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't get some lazy-ass spotfest ladder match at WM again. Maybe we would get a great
singles match between Owens/Zayne on the grandest stage of them all. Something that could spotlight both guys and show the guys in Guerrilla that
these NXT guys really do matter, and could be a huge benefit in the future, in the same way that matches between Benoit/Angle, Jericho/HBK, Cena/Big
Show (sorry, but it was a cool opener and I knew Cena was destined to be a star after that) showed us.
You know what these ladder matches say to me?
"We have no idea how to really use these guys, and don't have the confidence in the current IC champ to have a bankable match to grip the
crowd, so let's just put them all together in a ladder match, because our crowds loves ladder spots!"
There is no selling point to this match other than the ladders and the spots that come with them. No one is going to go into this match with a
serious story.
To all of the people in favor of this match? Choke down on this opener spotfest while you can. Just know that it won't mean shit for anyone
involved. If I end up being wrong, please, I invite you to come back into this thread, quote it into another thread, and totally rub my face in it.
But until then?
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 07:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how anyone can be stoked about the IC title being defended in a meaningless ladder match. It's just
lazy booking, and gives me the idea that creative either:
A.) Doesn't think Owens/Zayne is worthy of being a singles match, yet thinks Ryback/Kalisto is.
B.) Doesn't think Owens is important enough to be spotlighted in a singles match
C.) Doesn't look at Owens as someone who has a significant future as a STAR
D.) Once again has no idea how to book anyone in the midcard in any sort of meaningful position, so just lumps them all together in what is simply
becoming a blur of ladder matches that have no emotional significance to them.
Or, the dreaded..
E.) All of the above
I was super-stoked to think that maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't get some lazy-ass spotfest ladder match at WM again. Maybe we would get a great
singles match between Owens/Zayne on the grandest stage of them all. Something that could spotlight both guys and show the guys in Guerrilla that
these NXT guys really do matter, and could be a huge benefit in the future, in the same way that matches between Benoit/Angle, Jericho/HBK, Cena/Big
Show (sorry, but it was a cool opener and I knew Cena was destined to be a star after that) showed us.
You know what these ladder matches say to me?
"We have no idea how to really use these guys, and don't have the confidence in the current IC champ to have a bankable match to grip the
crowd, so let's just put them all together in a ladder match, because our crowds loves ladder spots!"
There is no selling point to this match other than the ladders and the spots that come with them. No one is going to go into this match with a
serious story.
To all of the people in favor of this match? Choke down on this opener spotfest while you can. Just know that it won't mean shit for anyone
involved. If I end up being wrong, please, I invite you to come back into this thread, quote it into another thread, and totally rub my face in it.
But until then?
As happy as I am to see guys like KO, Stardust, Ziggler and Miz getting booked for 'Mania it does take a little shine off of the apple when
it's a multi-man ladder match for the IC title. Again. I think a part of the larger problem that I have with how Wrestlemania cards are shaped
these days is how "paint-by-numbers" it seems.
*ARMBaR
*IC Ladder Match
*Multi-Tag Match
*Multi-Diva/Popcorn Match
*Undertaker Match
It used to be that a ladder match was a special occasion, and last years IC match was fun but the novelty of it all was slighted just a bit just by
the fact that we still aren't too far removed from the Money In The Bank Ladder Match being a fixture of Wrestlemania.
To me it just seems like it gives "Creative" a free pass to just put the puzzle pieces in place and not have to worry about breaking a sweat making
anything compelling because at this point the event sells itself. To an extent that's true, but they're only going to have so many years
before the public grows weary of this and then--*gasp*--they're going to have to start trying again.
I'm sure the match is going to be fun, and to be fair they handled the setup for it tonight surprisingly well given how slapped together it all
seemed. But methinks a lot of that has to do with Kevin Owens and how obscenely talented he is.
I do kind of wish they would've swapped Ryder for Fandango though.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 09:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by CM Crunk
quote:Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
There is no selling point to this match other than the ladders and the spots that come with them. No one is going to go into this match with a
serious story.
It used to be that a ladder match was a special occasion, and last years IC match was fun but the novelty of it all was slighted just a bit just by
the fact that we still aren't too far removed from the Money In The Bank Ladder Match being a fixture of Wrestlemania.
Agree with all the points made above.
I have a really tough time remembering memorable 1 vs 1 ladder matches beyond Razor-Shawn, Bret-Shawn, Undertaker-Jeff Hardy, Triple H - The Rock.
Those had rivalries and told stories and were not simply spotfests.
That being said, this match could be 20 minutes of fun. Hopefully Owens retains and they don't make someone else the champion just because they
can.
I haven't given up hope that AJ Styles and Kewin Owens will give us a killer ladder match for the IC Title at Summerslam after 2-3 months of
buildup
Bret Hart - Best Ever, Undertaker - Most Memorable, The Rock - Most Entertaining.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 10:17 AM
I went back and watch Roman beat down HHH. And maaan, without a positive crowd reaction it was just super uncomfortable. Without that dude being
likable, it was just a scary giant guy in all black pulling a guy out of his car while his wife screamed. It was kinda scary, honestly.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 12:27 PM
F.) Wanted to give some of the midcarders on the roster a bigger spotlight than just a berth in the battle royal, and knows that multi-man ladder
matches usually bring the goods even if they're not as "special" as they used to be.
quote:Originally posted by Matte
And I'm totally with you on AJ/KO. And I'm totally with the crowd on Ambrose/Strowman. That was painful to watch and a horrible match to
main event with. I really hope Strowman isn't getting the monster push we've heard little whispers of.
I don't think a monster push starts with the monster getting the shit beaten out of him by Dean Ambrose.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 02:27 PM
Enjoyed Owens-Styles and Charlotte-Natalya.
HEY, Terry Funk.
If the League Of Nations had any less heat, it'd solve global warming.
Mixed messages; commentators kept saying that New Day's insults had thrown the League off their game, yet they were standing at ringside
literally laughing them off. To be fair, that mic work was pretty pedestrian by New Day standards...I fear the writing team has gotten to them.
At least Jericho bothered to play into the narrative by yelling about how Fandango never beat him at Mania.
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posted on 3-22-2016 at 02:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by CamstunPWG187
B.) Doesn't think Owens is important enough to be spotlighted in a singles match
C.) Doesn't look at Owens as someone who has a significant future as a STAR
B.) I'm bummed KO isn't getting a singles match at KOmania as well.
C.) They gave KO a 20 minute match, 2 in ring promos, 2 backstage bits with Steph, and a guest commentary gig tonight he clearly has no
future...
"The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall,
which is named, not after William North, but for its position above the South Wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale�s
campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a
fountain that cured syphilis."
) 
A slight fondness in my pants, Beavis. Huh. Huh huh. 
I'm
getting old and forgetful. Or just forgetful. Or.. I forgot what my next "or" was.
It would sure put some sizzle on the Bucky&Vince; (the Assholey Alliance?) vs StepHHH
match.. 
I remember the limo 'sploding, but I probably
didn't pay attention to a WALKING~! segment, and that would by why it's not in my reference bank.
Friggin SWEET. 
