merc
Man of a Thousand Holds 
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Historical Predictivity
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So, has there been a more predictable outcome in a main event match ever than Reigns vs. Styles
Yeah about 3fuckin hundred...but my memory fails at some point, likely another 3fuckin hundred.
Sammartino v. Vachon, Kowalski, Duncum, Wolfman, Hansen, Steele, Carpentier, Arion, Valient (pick one, most likely Jimmy), Ladd, Von Eric (Waldo)
More recent?
HOGAN V. boss man, earthquake, tugboat, Ventura, Steele (again), Sheik, Shultz, funk, Hernandez, Volkoff, Muraco (phase 2), Patera, Kamala, Sika,
You get the idea, it's been happening longer than we've been alive.
Skipping further ahead, my personal favorites: HHH v Booker T & Seth Rollins v. Sting.
They had no chance..
You get the idea. Move along. Find something else to whine about
You compared Reigns to Hulk Hogan and Bruno Sammartino?
Also, there was A LOT of doubt with the other matches you mentioned.
The only thing I'm whining about is your ignorance of wrestling history.
Either way, my statement was hyperbolic and not meant to be taken literally. Still and all, there is no chance in hell Styles wins.
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First off I love debating history, and sadly for me, the folks here tend not to go back far enough in history to get my juices going. No one's
fault, I suspect most weren't alive during my sweet spot the 70's.
So I will maintain that all of the challengers mentioned had zero chances of winning. Most of them because of formulaic management; others because of
timing. I'll leave it to CC to let me know which matches he considered in doubt and explain why that specific wasn't.
The floor is yours
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dxlevy72
Creepy Little Bastard
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Could probably add any number from Backlund's reign, too. The first that comes to mind is Masked Superstar.
And, CCharger, he did not compare Reigns to Hogan and Sammartino, he compared the likely outcomes of various matches they were in. That's a very
different sort of comparison, and one you should be able to recognize.
Also, when you claim that there was "A LOT of doubt" about the outcomes of some of those matches, I wonder what point in your own history you are
capturing. Did 10-year old CCharger worry that Hogan would get squashed by Kamala? (If so, then perhaps you could consider what today's young
fans will be thinking about, and worrying about, during the build up to Reigns vs. Styles.)
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merc
Man of a Thousand Holds
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Older, wiser and "smarter"...
So while I have a few, the Sammartino era was simple. Capitol Wrestling planned to move away from its NWA membership. I'll short circuit a
lot of politics to say, in the territory era each territory had its own "face" wrestler. The evil champ would come in, and being a "foreigner"
was easy to hate. It worked spectacularly across the country.
Now for the cliff notes on Capitol:
In the NorthEast, Seniot had locked up TV from DC to Portland and realized The population concentration could afford to mimick the NWA in a smaller
way. To make it work though, the brain trust decided a face champ could fend off heels. That opened up a lot of talent to move in/out that may not
have made since if they mirrored heel champ.
Bruno was from the rust belt and had been extremely successful in Toronto, under Tunney. That expanded the NE to more geography and solidified the
plan. Thus the eight year title reign the first time. He lost because he had kids, was burnt out and the WWWF (not doing the "Capitol to WWWF
Mondt" recap) found another ethnic face they thought would carry the torch.
Anyone with "internet" quality information at the time knew Bruno was going nowhere as long as MSG & Boston sold out...until Bruno made noise about
wanting off the road. Sure the Wolfman scared the piss out of me, but there was no way he could wear the strap. Insert any of the first reign
challengers into the same story. They couldn't put asses in seats from DC to Boston.
Kowalski, DLJ or Carpentier (sp?) might have had a chance during reign one, but Kowalski was stronger in Boston, Don Leo not so much, and a French
Canadian...no shot. Then the clincher from a "smart" view once it played out in Baltimore or Boston you knew it wouldn't change in MSG.
The quality of heel determined how long the program ran, one, two or three months. Ticket Sales being a prime determinate.
OH, YEA, because TV was controlled, about half the time the exact program played out in different parts of the WWWF with few being wiser. The TV
matches that were all filmed in DC or PA were not necessarily broadcast the same week in each market. What Philly saw on week one of a month Boston
might not see til week three. So travel and secondary programs could be maximized.
There's a lot of detail left out, but a brief overview to the 60-mid 70's logic- SSBG being the wild card.
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