CCharger
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Brock Lesnar Fails Drug Test
http://deadspin.com/brock-lesnar-flagged-for-anti-doping-violation-1783760774
Curious how this would affect his status with WWE. Also, if the Wellness Policy is so strict how did Lesnar manage to avoid getting popped sooner?
When it Reigns, it bores.
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nOOb
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Copying and pasting what I had in the Rumor Crap (here's from
Bleacher
Report):
quote:
The UFC announced on Friday that Brock Lesnar, who secured a unanimous-decision victory over Mark Hunt at UFC 200 on Saturday, has been flagged by the
United States Anti-Doping Agency for a potential doping violation:
The UFC organization was notified today that the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) has informed Brock Lesnar of a potential Anti-Doping Policy
violation stemming from an out-of-competition sample collection on June 28, 2016. USADA received the testing results from the June 28, 2016 sample
collection from the WADA-accredited UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory on the evening of July 14, 2016.
USADA, the independent administrator of the UFC Anti-Doping Policy, will handle the results management and appropriate adjudication of this case. It
is important to note that, under the UFC Anti-Doping Policy, there is a full fair legal review process that is afforded to all athletes before any
sanctions are imposed. The Nevada State Athletic Commission also retains jurisdiction over this matter as the sample collection was performed in close
proximity to Lesnar�s bout at UFC 200 in Las Vegas.
In late June, Hunt told Fox Sports Australia's UFC Fight Week that he believed Lesnar was doping after the UFC granted the WWE Superstar an
exemption from the sport's four-month drug-testing requirement, which was overseen by the USADA.
"I don�t think it's a great move," Hunt said of the exemption. "I think he�s juiced to the gills�and I still think I�m going to knock him
out. So I don�t think that�s correct. I don�t think he should be allowed to get a four-month exemption; otherwise, everyone else should. Otherwise, I
should start juicing."
Lesnar, though, came armed with a response.
"I've been dealing with that my entire life," he said of the allegations, per MMAFighting.com's Marc Raimondi. "I'm a white boy
and I'm jacked�deal with it. What do you want me to say? I'm a white boy and I'm jacked. Deal with it."
The news of Lesnar's potential positive test came on the heels of Jon Jones' expulsion from his scheduled fight against Daniel Cormier at
UFC 200 after he tested positive for a banned substance.
Lesnar, 39, returned to the Octagon last weekend for the first time since suffering a first-round loss at the hands of Alistair Overeem in
2011.
All of a sudden that conspiracy theory of WWE suspending Reigns just to make them look credible in case Lesnar was caught up doesn't seem too
crazy...just mostly crazy. Also worth noting it's not officially saying he got busted, but had this happened before the fight, the UFC would
have cancelled the fight (they've cancelled fights recently based on flagged tests).
[Edited on 7-15-2016 by nOOb]
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janerd75
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quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Curious how this would affect his status with WWE. Also, if the Wellness Policy is so strict how did Lesnar manage to avoid getting popped sooner?
Probably a variation of the Orton Rule literally and figuratively on steroids. WWE could always go squirmy-wormy lawyer-y and say Brock was not
"actively" working for them at the time, hadn't been since WM, and thus was not under the watchful eye of their Wellness Program.
Summerslam's on 8/21 so Vince could easily give him a token suspension and then proceed to give zero fucks as everybody tunes in with their
moneybucks of his to watch the show.
Fuck Everybody
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Paddlefoot
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Doubt they'll be able to intimidate Brock into doing the apology to the locker room the way they did with Reigns. He's already rich,
indifferent at best to authority, and would probably tell both Vince & Hunter to fuck off right to their faces.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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Slick
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What a debacle.
Personally in today's world, I'm surprised we even give a flying F about this kind of stuff
Everyone is trying to get an edge. Don't kid yourself otherwise.
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GodEatGod
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Well, I think, as wrestling fans, we give a flying fuck about it just because a lot of past stars have had serious consequences from longtime PED use.
It's just bad for their health and largely for unnecessary reasons, since wrestling doesn't require a 'competitive edge',
it's largely just something used to get a look. Which is partially WWE's fault for favoring guys with cut physiques over performance at
times in their past (and probably even today).
In fact, I would expect that it's more likely that Brock was using specifically for the performance advantage in his MMA fight (especially with
his truncated prep time), but doesn't bother for his WWE stuff. I also agree that he probably doesn't care, whether from a WWE or UFC
standpoint, if they want to punish him. He'll just go back to his farm and sit on his millions of dollars and go hunting bears and shit.
I do wonder if they'll count it just because they probably have a standard test and testing regimen for their specific performers and, yeah, an
outside lab popping him or not might be irrelevant to WWE if he was clean on their tests.
"It is an impressively arrogant move to conclude that just because you don't like something, it is empirically not good. I don't like
Chinese food, but I don't write articles trying to prove it doesn't exist." - Tina Fey
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Count Zero
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quote:
Lesnar has a right to appeal the positive test; it is unclear if his representation before the panel will be Paul Heyman.
Heh. "Ladies and gentlemen.... My client, BAAAHHHHRACK LESNAR, is the mayor of Suplex City. Would a fine, upstanding and recognized member of such
a community do this kind of thing? If Wookies live on Endor you must acquit my client, BAAAAHRACK LESNAR."
Okay, so I threw in some Chewbacca Defense.
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Paddlefoot
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quote:
Originally posted by Slick
What a debacle.
Personally in today's world, I'm surprised we even give a flying F about this kind of stuff
Everyone is trying to get an edge. Don't kid yourself otherwise.
Agreed. Despite a track record of cheating and corruption going back to the literal dawn of organized sports in the original Olympics everyone on the
planet still falls for the "skill, training, dedication" and "honest competition" crap. It's in our blood and brains to want to believe in
something even though almost all of us know that we're being lied to when the flacks start going on about sportsmanship. Hard to believe that
anyone would take at face value what a fucking ghoul like Dana White says but suspending belief is what being a fan is all about unfortunately.
[Edited on 7/16/2016 by Paddlefoot]
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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janerd75
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I'm still waiting for the Steroid Olympics to happen in the interim until the next evolution in sports entertainment when athletes start getting
bio-engineered superlimbs or become ape/human hybrids that can tear people's heads off and throw them into the crowd like foul balls. Much like
the space program gave us revolutionary world changing items like velcro and freeze-dried ice cream, can you imagine what that shit'll do for
porn? Literal horse-dicked trannies, dudes. 
Fuck Everybody
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PB-13
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More shocked that Deadspin got through an entire article without some kind of anti-St. Louis sentiment. They can probably add that in post or
something.
-PB
RIP My Friend Mark, 1991-2016
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Slick
rOOkie
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quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
I'm still waiting for the Steroid Olympics to happen in the interim until the next evolution in sports entertainment when athletes start getting
bio-engineered superlimbs or become ape/human hybrids that can tear people's heads off and throw them into the crowd like foul balls. Much like
the space program gave us revolutionary world changing items like velcro and freeze-dried ice cream, can you imagine what that shit'll do for
porn? Literal horse-dicked trannies, dudes.
To some degree, whatever way we want to classify it, it's all become "sports entertainment" to some level. Might just be me being jaded but I
surely feel nothing is what it seems.
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Flash
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Sitting at home smiling is Roman Reigns....
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janerd75
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quote:
Originally posted by Slick
To some degree, whatever way we want to classify it, it's all become "sports entertainment" to some level. Might just be me being jaded but I
surely feel nothing is what it seems.
Agreed. Maybe you get more honesty in sports the closer you get to kids throwing a ball around in a field after school for fun, but the closer it is
to high end monetization, the greater likelihood there is for chicanery. Not that there aren't decent and driven folk competing for "the love
of the sport", but, y'know, reasonable cynicism being what it is and all. 
quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Sitting at home smiling is Roman Reigns....
Possibly, but as far as Vince is concerned one of these things is not like the other, one of these things is just not the same...
Fuck Everybody
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Paddlefoot
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So what do they do next at UFC? Strip him of the win and make him go to rehab before he can fight again?
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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OORick
Intellectual Savior of the Masses 
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This story broke while I was out, but just as a late night FYI:
The worst WWE can do is suspend Brock for 30 days, as his first Wellness Violation. He's been clean, according to them, till now, so
that's the max. They are NOT obligated to suspend him, as this specific circumstance is not included in the Policy, but the general wording is
that if "law enforcement" pops you for something, WWE can just count that as a failed test.
This is the clause that has gotten guys like RVD and Swagger in trouble, before, I sort of hope WWE counts USADA as the same thing, but you never
know. Even if WWE gives 30 days, Brock's back at SummerSlam, though.
The bigger issue is what UFC does about it. Conventional wisdom is that UFC and Lesnar would do business again, after they paid him $2.5 million for
last Saturday and put him back in their top 10 rankings after his win. Unless Lesnar wins some kind of appeal, the LEAST UFC will do is change the
official outcome of Lesnar/Hunt to a "draw" and completely wreck Lesnar's credibility as a "real" fighter.
I don't THINK this ruins SummerSlam. I might want to think it through again tomorrow, a bit more thoroughly, but if WWE was willing to protect
the Ambrose/Rollins/Reigns Triple Threat by sneaking the 30 days suspension in when they did, then I can't see them NOT doing Lesnar the same
favor, given the Heyman can handle all the talking.
But Lesnar in UFC again? Unless he can beat the rap, that's in danger. They gave him the pass on the full 4-months-before-the-fight testing
regimen, and Hunt even CALLED THEM ON IT, saying it was BS. Turns out, Hunt was right, and Lesnar couldn't pass a 2-weeks-before-the-fight test.
D'oh....
Rick
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CamstunPWG187
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Hunt, BTW, doesn't even give a fuck about it being a draw. He wants half of Lesnar's purse, or he wants out of his contract.
and yep, Hunt totally called it.
https://www.yahoo.com/?fr=yset_ff_hp_cnewtab&type;=hpset
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royberto
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Doubt they'll be able to intimidate Brock into doing the apology to the locker room the way they did with Reigns. He's already rich,
indifferent at best to authority, and would probably tell both Vince & Hunter to fuck off right to their faces.
The Reigns apology ended up
being a false story.
quote:
Originally posted by OORick
This story broke while I was out, but just as a late night FYI:
The worst WWE can do is suspend Brock for 30 days, as his first Wellness Violation. He's been clean, according to them, till now, so
that's the max. They are NOT obligated to suspend him, as this specific circumstance is not included in the Policy, but the general wording is
that if "law enforcement" pops you for something, WWE can just count that as a failed test.
This is the clause that has gotten guys like RVD and Swagger in trouble, before, I sort of hope WWE counts USADA as the same thing, but you never
know. Even if WWE gives 30 days, Brock's back at SummerSlam, though.
The bigger issue is what UFC does about it. Conventional wisdom is that UFC and Lesnar would do business again, after they paid him $2.5 million for
last Saturday and put him back in their top 10 rankings after his win. Unless Lesnar wins some kind of appeal, the LEAST UFC will do is change the
official outcome of Lesnar/Hunt to a "draw" and completely wreck Lesnar's credibility as a "real" fighter.
I don't THINK this ruins SummerSlam. I might want to think it through again tomorrow, a bit more thoroughly, but if WWE was willing to protect
the Ambrose/Rollins/Reigns Triple Threat by sneaking the 30 days suspension in when they did, then I can't see them NOT doing Lesnar the same
favor, given the Heyman can handle all the talking.
But Lesnar in UFC again? Unless he can beat the rap, that's in danger. They gave him the pass on the full 4-months-before-the-fight testing
regimen, and Hunt even CALLED THEM ON IT, saying it was BS. Turns out, Hunt was right, and Lesnar couldn't pass a 2-weeks-before-the-fight test.
D'oh....
Rick
The thing is WWE may be forced to change it. Meltzer brought this up, but NY regulates wrestling as it does UFC. If the Nevada SAC
temporarily suspends Brock's license, The NY SAC would almost certainly abide by that suspension in NY. Since SummerSlam is being held in NY,
Brock would not be allowed to work SummerSlam as a result.
ETA: WWE did report the violation on their website, so they aren't hiding from it.
[Edited on 7-16-2016 by royberto]
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royberto
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Oh and this brings a whole new meaning to:
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Zeyes
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quote:
Originally posted by GodEatGod
In fact, I would expect that it's more likely that Brock was using specifically for the performance advantage in his MMA fight (especially with
his truncated prep time), but doesn't bother for his WWE stuff.
Or he's using something that's prohibited by WADA/USADA standards, but not in the Wellness Policy. Might have even stopped using it and
intended to get it out of his system before the UFC fight but got caught up by longer-than-expected excretion times. (Just speculating, of course.)
Standard policy in Olympic sports after a positive test is disqualification of results and forfeiture of prize money. Given that USADA is tasked with
the "results management" (the whole quasi-judicial process that determines the consequences of the positive test), one would normally expect that to
be the case here, too. Of course, it being UFC the reality might be somewhat different, like it often tends to be for doping cases in e.g. boxing.
[Edited on 7-17-2016 by Zeyes]
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TonyTH
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OORick
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Latest twist.....
Lesnar was tested at least 8 times in the run up to UFC200, and the June 28 test is the only one that came up with a red flag. Lesnar supplied
documentation to the AP, so you can do a quick news search, and the requisite articles will come up.
Apparently, 5 of the tests were before June 28, and 2 were after (that they have results for; I'm sure there are further tests for which Brock
submitted a specimin at or after the event, but we do not have results, yet).... and I'm usually not one to take the side of a test-failer, but
if Brock had a blip show up on one test over an entire panel of 2 months worth of random tests, that might make him a bit less guilty.
Or it might just make him really, really good at cheating, if he knows a way to stay one step ahead of the tests. We'll find out soon enough.
As far as SummerSlam, I know NY State "regulates" pro wrestling under the same body that regulates MMA and boxing.... but unless somebody decides to
make an example of Lesnar, trust me: it's "regulation" in name only, to generate extra fee/tax revenue, and I'm sure the commission
would be happy to acknowledge Lesnar's failed test, but with regards to WWE performance, they would accept WWE's policy (30 day violation
for first offense) and not try to cross the streams by applying USADA/UFC policies to WWE.
Maybe a politician gets a bug up his or hers ass, but I'm guessing not, since they'd rather have WWE keep paying those token fees/taxes,
than get pissed and get unregulated in NY or simply quit doing shows in NY if they can't (as they have in many states/jurisdictions that tried
to play hard ball with them).......
Rick
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Flash
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Not really knowing UFC all that well I kind of thought that this might play out news wise as another black mark on pro-wrestling for steroid abuse,
but it sounds like the UFC may have a much worse problem as I was reading an interview with Hunt where he said his last three opponents were all
busted by the USADA.
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royberto
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quote:
Originally posted by OORick
As far as SummerSlam, I know NY State "regulates" pro wrestling under the same body that regulates MMA and boxing.... but unless somebody decides to
make an example of Lesnar, trust me: it's "regulation" in name only, to generate extra fee/tax revenue, and I'm sure the commission
would be happy to acknowledge Lesnar's failed test, but with regards to WWE performance, they would accept WWE's policy (30 day violation
for first offense) and not try to cross the streams by applying USADA/UFC policies to WWE.
Rick
The report going around now is that the NYSAC would not ban Lesnar from a wrestling event because wrestlers do not have individual
licenses. WWE's promoter's license covers all wrestlers under their employ. However, they can still punish WWE for using Brock during a
suspension including fines or temporary suspension of license. So, that having that over WWE's head could force Brock out meaning all that fluff
about extra fees/taxes and crossing streams is irrelevant since it doesn't require any action by the NYSAC. Just the threat of it.
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merc
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I'm surprised that NYSAC is involved since VKM came out like 25 years ago and said it ain't real competition. I'd be very surprised
if they don't sit silently and enjoy the predetermined fights that pay them for no good reason.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." D.
Adams
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royberto
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quote:
Originally posted by merc
I'm surprised that NYSAC is involved since VKM came out like 25 years ago and said it ain't real competition. I'd be very surprised
if they don't sit silently and enjoy the predetermined fights that pay them for no good reason.
You would be surprised if they destroyed
their credibility and integrity by not enforcing their rules?
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