Tonight on RAW: it's full speed ahead to WrestleMania.... well, there is that Network Special ("March to WrestleMania," in three weeks, in
Toronto), but I think the WM card should be pretty well set by then, and that show will be more about strengthening the key players than about twists
and turns...
I digress... it's been the most chaotic and unpredictable WrestleMania season in a long time, mostly due to injuries, so there's really only
one match that is taking shape at this point, and it's a match that NOBODY wants to see, much less as the main event: as it stands, Roman Reigns
will challenge Triple H for the WWE Title... if that match is to be expanded or altered, presumably we'll find out tonight, otherwise, it's
straight-up Reigns/HHH, and it will be shat upon in Texas....
The rest of the card is almost entirely wide open.... we don't even know which Stunt Casting Matches will take place, and usually, those are the
guys who have shown up by now to get into the mix (e.g. Batista or Sting in recent years)...
Cena continues to hint at a "science defying" comeback, and most likely, that would put him in a spot to be Undertaker's opponent, since it could
be a one-off match, allowing Cena more time off after Mania to continue rehabbing his shoulder... but the buzz just won't die with regards to WWE
having some sort of deal in place for "somebody not on the current roster" to be in a key match at WM32, too; most of the "likely" candidates seem to
have declined already, but who knows?
The show tonight will open with the C. Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence..... err, the Vincent J. McMahon
Legacy of Excellence Award... it is, of course, a bullshit made-up award that will serve as nothing but a prop for a WM feud.... my guess is it either
goes to Triple H (to reintroduce him as the egomaniacal authority figure with a title belt) or to whatever surprise Stunt Casty Guy will prop up one
of Mania's top 3 matches...
We can also presume (safely) that the pieces are in place for Charlotte vs. Sasha vs. Becky in a three way women's title match at Mania, given
Charlotte's wins, and the "double tap out" finish to Sasha and Becky's tag match last night....
But beyond that, it really is more questions than answers....
I still vote for whatever cheap-ass crap you have to do to expand the title match to a four-way with Lesnar and Ambrose both involved. But if you
don't do that, you basically have Lesnar and Ambrose with nothing to do (WWE completely wrecked any credibility the Wyatts might have had to be
Lesnar's opponents over the course of the past week).... do you make them to it with each other? If you do, you wind up with a main event in
which fans don't have a guy they want to cheer, and you have a semi-main where they don't have a guy they want to boo, which is just all
kinds of messed up....
What is #KOMania really all about, and what special plans does Owens have for the IC Title at his first-ever WM? AJ Styles is free, and Owens is
already tweeting out to the "internet dweebs" that he'd crush their precious little AJ if he got a chance....
Was that finally an official heel turn by the New Day last night, and if so, are they defending against Sheamus/Rusev (or another variation on the
League of Nations) at WM?
Kalisto is still US Champ, and at this point, you pretty much HAVE to break up the Lucha Dragons.... but at the same time, there's no f'n
way that Kalisto vs. Sin Cara is really a WM-worthy singles match. What to do? Big wacky multi-way ladder match?
Is the Rock doing something with the Usos (as suggested by his "We'll see you again at Mania" comment when he helped the Usos on RAW a few weeks
back), or will he second Reigns, or will it be some other things we don't yet know about?
Is Jericho turning heel, or was all that just a red herring? Or was it a plan, but then they changed it? Either way, what's his role? I
don't think there's more mileage with AJ...
I could go on, but you get the idea: WWE needs to start filling in some blanks, and they need to start doing so tonight....
Oh, and speaking of that, they will be filling in another member of the Hall of Fame Class of 2016 tonight.... it'll be the Godfather (a/k/a Papa
Shango, real name Charles Wright), and he will be inducted by JBL and Ron Simmons, which means you can cross JBL off the board of guys who we all
thought would fit into a Texas themed class of 2016...
That is all. End communication.
The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Don't wait till after 11pm to post, either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome.
So discuss, debate, and rate!
quote:
Originally posted by OORick
I still vote for whatever cheap-ass crap you have to do to expand the title match to a four-way with Lesnar and Ambrose both involved. But if you don't do that, you basically have Lesnar and Ambrose with nothing to do (WWE completely wrecked any credibility the Wyatts might have had to be Lesnar's opponents over the course of the past week).... do you make them to it with each other? If you do, you wind up with a main event in which fans don't have a guy they want to cheer, and you have a semi-main where they don't have a guy they want to boo, which is just all kinds of messed up....
Brock Lesnar attacks Dean Ambrose in the parking lot!WWE has just received fan footage of Brock Lesnar attacking Dean Ambrose in the parking lot of the Joe Louis Arena before WWE Raw!
Posted by WWE on Monday, February 22, 2016
Dean Ambrose left the Joe Louis Arena in an ambulance!After being attacked by Brock Lesnar, Dean Ambrose has left the Joe Louis Arena in an ambulance!
Posted by WWE on Monday, February 22, 2016
Rumors circling Reddit and Meltzer's board is that something big will happen tonigh. Likely opening the show.
quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Well...about that...
Brock Lesnar attacks Dean Ambrose in the parking lot!WWE has just received fan footage of Brock Lesnar attacking Dean Ambrose in the parking lot of the Joe Louis Arena before WWE Raw!
Posted by WWE on Monday, February 22, 2016
If they're smart they'll turn it into Ambrose's signature break out moment by having him hijack the ambulance, drive it into the
arena, smash it into the ring while Brock's cutting a promo, and let Dean attack him like when Stone Cold jumped off the zamboni onto Vince.
This stuff ain't that hard to write, Bucky.
quote:
Originally posted by the goon
Very well done (though I do fear that Lesnar may have killed Ambrose after slamming him onto the windshield).
If they're smart they'll turn it into Ambrose's signature break out moment by having him hijack the ambulance, drive it into the
arena, smash it into the ring while Brock's cutting a promo, and let Dean attack him like when Stone Cold jumped off the zamboni onto Vince.
This stuff ain't that hard to write, Bucky.
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
If they're smart they'll turn it into Ambrose's signature break out moment by having him hijack the ambulance, drive it into the arena, smash it into the ring while Brock's cutting a promo, and let Dean attack him like when Stone Cold jumped off the zamboni onto Vince. This stuff ain't that hard to write, Bucky.
Didn't the Zambonie thing happen two weeks before that year's WM? The problem with replicating that so early is that well, how do you
escalate past that with six weeks before WM?
Still could do with Ambrose coming back but Ambrose outbrawling Lesnar should be a saved for a few weeks more.
quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
quote:
Originally posted by OORick
I still vote for whatever cheap-ass crap you have to do to expand the title match to a four-way with Lesnar and Ambrose both involved. But if you don't do that, you basically have Lesnar and Ambrose with nothing to do (WWE completely wrecked any credibility the Wyatts might have had to be Lesnar's opponents over the course of the past week).... do you make them to it with each other? If you do, you wind up with a main event in which fans don't have a guy they want to cheer, and you have a semi-main where they don't have a guy they want to boo, which is just all kinds of messed up....
Well...about that...
Brock Lesnar attacks Dean Ambrose in the parking lot!WWE has just received fan footage of Brock Lesnar attacking Dean Ambrose in the parking lot of the Joe Louis Arena before WWE Raw!
Posted by WWE on Monday, February 22, 2016
Dean Ambrose left the Joe Louis Arena in an ambulance!After being attacked by Brock Lesnar, Dean Ambrose has left the Joe Louis Arena in an ambulance!
Posted by WWE on Monday, February 22, 2016
it's time for the VJMHHHBJ4LYFE award!
ETA.... I just .... How does... OMG SWERVE! 
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by Count Zero]
OMG!!!! REAL SWERVE HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!! I cannot believe this.
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by Count Zero]
HOLY SHIT ITS SHANE!!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
HOLY SHIT ITS SHANE!!!!!
Yes Detroit, this is awesome, who saw that coming?!
quote:So are death & taxes. One of those is STILL A FUCKING SURPRISE.
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
HOLY SHIT ITS SHANE!!!!!
Well it was enivitable.
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:So are death & taxes. One of those is STILL A FUCKING SURPRISE.
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
HOLY SHIT ITS SHANE!!!!!
Well it was enivitable.
When you wanna sound intelligent, spellcheck your shit first. I think you mean "Inevitable"?
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Inevitability is boring.
Holy crap...
Shane vs. Undertaker??
Shane McMahon vs. The Undertaker? WHAT THE HELL???
IN HELL IN A CELL!?!?!?!?!?
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]
WHAT THE FUCK??!!!
SHANE'S BACK!!
SHANE'S HAVING A MATCH!!!
UNDERTAKER IS A HEEL???!!!
That all really happened right? If anyone pitched that yesterday, that'd be crazy. That's hype as shit.
Now it's not awesome. UT has what, five-ten matches left, he should be wrestling wrestlers. Hopefully Shane-o can chose a "champion" to take his place.
quote:Ah, I see now. This is why comedy is hard to do on the internet. CONTEXT is required sometimes. Pardonnez-moi the snippiness. It just felt like you were being a dismissive hipster wank. I see now the difference.
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:So are death & taxes. One of those is STILL A FUCKING SURPRISE.
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
HOLY SHIT ITS SHANE!!!!!
Well it was enivitable.
When you wanna sound intelligent, spellcheck your shit first. I think you mean "Inevitable"?
On phone, watching show, made a spelling mistake in attempt to mock this:
http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=31017&page;=4
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Inevitability is boring.
Because people said RAW would open with the Legacy Award going to Triple H, with Roman doing a run-in. Partly right...but we got something slightly better.
Dear Roman Reigns:
You're no longer in the "main event" at Wrestlemania. Not really anyway.
Before my mind gets back in my body...
HOLY SHIT WAS THAT AMAZING!
[and now, let the possible re-brand splittening conversation begin?]
AND THE UNDERTAKER MIGHT LOSE TO BROCK LESNAR AND SHANE MCMAHON AT WRESTLEMANIA??? WHAAAAAAAT???
That randomass cereal joke is the first time RAW has gotten a laugh out of me since Prime Mizdow.
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by First 9]
Post-opening segment:
Shane McMahon talks to the crowd during commercial. #WWERaw #shanemcmahon #detroit pic.twitter.com/xi14plSIQX
— Evan Jankens (@KINGoftheKC) February 23, 2016
Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?
Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?
quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?
I hope he has somebody do that match in his place. Literally anyone on the active roster.
And I say that as someone who really liked Shane's matches back in the day. The crazy falls, the Van Terminator, all of it.
But he was only good against someone who can carry him.
Taker isn't much better at this point.
Both need to be in the ring with someone who's actively wrestling week in and week out. Not just from a match quality standpoint, but to elevate an active person.
If Shane was back as some kind of GM or competing face authority, that would be amazing.
But a one-and-done with a guy who hasn't wrestled in 8 years vs someone who works one or two days a year? No thanks.
Paddy gets his moment....
....or....sort of.
I venture to think that like just Cena before him, you don't make that stip unless you're looking for a way for someone to beat Brock
Lesnar...
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]
Awe yeah, the Iron Man of the WWE!! Ambrose crawling to the ring, awesome.
quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
I dunno. Sometimes workrate isn't the only thing that matters.
I have zero idea what to think of Taker/Shane, just because it's so out of left field. Not to mention it's odd to have Taker basically cast
in the heel role, with Shane needing to beat him in order to take control from Triple H and Stephanie. Then again, there's over a month for this
to all shake out, so the WWE could very well throw in a twist or two before we get to WrestleMania. Regardless, that was a great segment and the crowd
reaction Shane got was unbelievable.
On the subject of Lesnar/Ambrose: I find it interesting that the WWE abandoned their plans for Lesnar/Bray, but they definitely made the right call.
Lesnar and Ambrose just have a natural chemistry together and their match has show-stealing potential at WrestleMania. Whereas if we'd gotten
Lesnar/Bray, it probably would have just been five weeks of Bray Wyatt cutting rambling promos about Brock Lesnar and not nearly as fun as what
we're gonna get with Lesnar and Ambrose.
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
On phone, watching show, made a spelling mistake in attempt to mock this:
http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=31017&page;=4
quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Inevitability is boring.
Because people said RAW would open with the Legacy Award going to Triple H, with Roman doing a run-in. Partly right...but we got something slightly better.
quote:
Originally posted by lz4005
Hell, even if it's the match of the night, how does that benefit anyone the next day? Much less or the next 50 Monday nights?
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?
quote:I was wondering... Maybe Vince pulls the "If you lose, you're FIIIIIIREDDDD!" card, and then we get the Undertaker's Last Match, but it's for a Good Cause (even though we all know the same Riter Dnonkeys will still be in charge of riting the shows) and SHANE SAVES THE DAY. It's got multiple levels of drama and bittersweet nuances and stuff and things?
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.
quote:
Originally posted by drmuerto
Or maybe Pete Gas and Joey Abs come out of retirement to neutralize the Dead Man.
@BarstoolJJ no call yet. Lol
— Pete Gasparino (@IamPeteGas) February 23, 2016
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
quote:I was wondering... Maybe Vince pulls the "If you lose, you're FIIIIIIREDDDD!" card, and then we get the Undertaker's Last Match, but it's for a Good Cause (even though we all know the same Riter Dnonkeys will still be in charge of riting the shows) and SHANE SAVES THE DAY. It's got multiple levels of drama and bittersweet nuances and stuff and things?
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.
These are the better ideas? 
Sometimes you have to put your brain in a suitcase & enjoy. Shane pops a few subscriptions, loses valiantly and goes back away.
Isn't this 6 man the same as last night but Bray > Stroman so therefor...
Someone tell me why JBL continues oldie references. He's younger than I am and grew up somewhere away from detroit, the only place the Sheik
wrestled when I was a pup...oh yeah, Brody was an average big guy but got better after he died because murder.
Ryback just remembered he left his lunch in the microwave.
#FeedingTime?
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Ryback just remembered he left his lunch in the microwave.
#FeedingTime?
Oh wrestling logic, you make my head hurt at times. "I deserve to be in the spotlight on my own, so I walked out on a tag match
because.................. heel turn."
Also, heheheh at the Gillberg chants. Unless they were still Goldberg chants at that point.
quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
quote:
Originally posted by Count Zero
Ryback just remembered he left his lunch in the microwave.
#FeedingTime?
He took CM Punk's corner knees, now he took his walking out on the company.
quote:
Originally posted by First 9
Didn't the Zambonie thing happen two weeks before that year's WM? The problem with replicating that so early is that well, how do you escalate past that with six weeks before WM?
Still could do with Ambrose coming back but Ambrose outbrawling Lesnar should be a saved for a few weeks more.
So....uh....KOMania...with a delayed start?
I wonder how Sting feels being inducted into the HoF alongside The Godfather?? It was characters & storylines like that that kept Sting out of WWE for so many years.
What the fuck? Shane?
Well, at least I'm interested now. I always liked Shane, should be entertaining.
If the WWE is out to pull fans back in who've checked out this might work for them.
Aww fuck, here comes Roman....
Now back to lurking.....
It doesn't seemed like he's getting shit on, but Roman/Sheamus is a recipe for apathy.
"There's no one more deserving to go into the HOF than the Godfather." JBL
He can't be that fuckin stupid can he?
Btw, where's the love for Naomi's ring entrance? GIF worthy I think
There's nothing more deserving to go into the WWE HOF than Naomi's magnificent ass.
- P-Foot, doctor of dunkle-nomics, 2016
Well, unless they pull something out of their ass in the next 20-25 minutes this show has been a solId C-. And that's taking into consideration
the insane return of Shane McMahon, which made me mark the hell out. But the rest of the show has just been a steady decline marked by a rematch that
nobody asked for with The Wyatts vs. Midcard Monsters, a heel turn by Ryback that nobody gives a shit about, and a main event involving Sheamus and
Roman Reigns...
I'm intrigued by Shane vs. Taker. Lesnar vs. Ambrose is my de facto main event for Mania. But my worries about the rest of the card and it's
ACTUAL main event still haven't been alleviated. Not yet, at least.
[Edited on 2/23/2016 by CM Crunk]
OH SHIT. LEATHER AND JEANS SUIT WITH LATIN CRAP ALL OVER IT. HHH SERIOUS MODE.
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]
quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
There's nothing more deserving to go into the WWE HOF than Naomi's magnificent ass.
- P-Foot, doctor of dunkle-nomics, 2016
Hey cool. WWE desperately trying to get Roman Reigns over and HHH puts himself over instead.
At least we know *someone* is getting cheered at Mania.
Roman Reigns is dead 2:22:2016
quote:Detroit Mark City, amirite??
Originally posted by janerd75
ETA: Uh, whomever said people wouldn't cheer HHH and chant his name while he's destroying Roman...
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by janerd75]
Yes chants to getting pedigreed on the steps, followed by one more time chants. This is awesome chants when Roman starts to bleed. This is gonna be fun.
Kind of amazing how many things they've done to try and get Roman Reigns over as a face for the past few months and they go out there and let the opposite guy do the thing that a face would do. Now they're not just booking against the crowd, they're booking against themselves.
edit to add: It's not like there isn't a precedent for this type of behavior on Triple H's part either... Just replace "Cena" with
"Roman". (video starts at the relevant time)
[Edited on 2/23/2016 by CM Crunk]
Detroit killed the superman punch, Roman should retire it.
TV Production is not helping storylines. Those on floor mics should have been killed once "one more time" started up. They showed they were on a
delay earlier, use it and pump in apathy if needed. Lazy director, lazy planning.
I thought blood was a no-no on raw & Smackdown.
Double turn? And if so...doesn't Triple H STAYING champ until Rollins come back make sense? If that can be done by SummerSlam, the Ambrose push could be at title match levels. And run or lose against Lesnar, that match seems to be the start of Dean getting a Roman level push.
I gotta say, I was feeling pretty solid about my Goldberg/Lesnar Trainwreck prediction for the WM32 title match, because the only way out of a
complete and total Shitting Upon Both Guys was if there were enough fans who could find it in their heart to cheer for Triple H.
Much to my surprise, at least for one night, there are more than enough fans willing to find it in their heart to cheer for Triple H.
I don't really know if I want WWE to run with that, but I'll eat some crow and cool the jets on my talk of WM Main Event Walk Outs and such.
That was one intense-ass closing segment.
And Shane is back. Suhweet. I've been looking for every excuse to put him back on TV since 6 months ago, when he got promoted beyond having any
real hands-on duties over in China, and could be stateside full-time again, as a figurehead. And even with looking for every excuse to mention it, I
did NOT see that one coming.
And if I had seen it coming, I never would have come up with Shane vs. Taker in a Cell as the payoff to his comeback.
There was a LOT of filler (replays of the opening segment) and jeezus that 6-man rematch seemed to last forever.... but still, a really fun night of
sitting in front of the TV watching wrestling.
Now, I have to figure out how to squeeze in Better Call Saul, another episode of E&C;'s show, AND not skip out on the Recap, all before bed....
Rick
To be fair, the crowd also called for one more time after Lesnar F5'd Ambrose.
quote:I can't say "this is the only thing that makes sense", because right now NOTHING seems to make sense... But this is definitely a possible 'out' for them. Doesn't HHH love "Heel Champ/Face Chase"? Heel Roman telling us to go fuck ourself collectively while Plucky Upstart Architect Rollins tries to get back the belt yadda yadda
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Double turn? And if so...doesn't Triple H STAYING champ until Rollins come back make sense? If that can be done by SummerSlam, the Ambrose push could be at title match levels. And run or lose against Lesnar, that match seems to be the start of Dean getting a Roman level push.
Meh, that end segment didn't do a ton for me. While it was nice and brutal, it was also Triple H beating the crap out of someone and coming out
on top for the 5,000th time (and no amount of crazy fights and beatdowns is going to get me excited for Triple H/Reigns). And I will totally admit
that Triple H was way over during the segment, but I just don't know how much that will continue over the next 41 days and into WrestleMania
(especially when the Mania crowd is probably going to get burnt out on Taker/Shane and Lesnar/Ambrose). I really think this is going to be Triple
H/Jericho and Triple H/Orton all over again, where the wrong match is the main event.
And it wouldn't shock me if this was the WWE's way of writing Roman off of TV for a few weeks so that he's not around to get booed
unmercifully all the way to WrestleMania.
quote:
Originally posted by the goon
And it wouldn't shock me if this was the WWE's way of writing Roman off of TV for a few weeks so that he's not around to get booed unmercifully all the way to WrestleMania.
West Coast watching. Welcome back, Shane-O. Others have said this, but this seemingly gives them a Plan A / Plan B for Undertaker at WM anchored in
Cena's status. He's not good enough to come back? Keep on truckin' with Shane. He is? Easy to make a switch. A hit and run
"accident" for Shane (Rikishi?) as Vince attempts to soften him up or force him to not be able to compete. Something something. Shane gets Vince
to allow him to find a sub to keep the match alive and enter Cena. Hopefully it would be done better than that, but gist is....there's a way
(or ways) to get Cena into that match.
Not saying I want that, mind you. Just that there's a path.
EDIT so no ~DOUBLES POSTZ
WTF was up with those 3 tiny* dudes yelling stop and waving their arms while Brock took out Dean in the parking area? Probability of successfully
stopping him: 0% Probability of this turning bad and having BROCK destroy you? > 0%
WTF - a Hillary commercial? This is what I get for watching Raw from the start with no "catch up to live by fast forwarding through commercials"
option. Never again.
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by williamssl]
It *should* be obvious to the WWE after tonight's closing beatdown that crowds WANT to cheer Roman having the shit beat out of him, especially if
Trips is doing it. Let Trips brutally beat Roman's ass every week, crowds will love it, then Roman can finally snap and HEEL TURN by beating the
shit out of Trips at Mania and take the belt back. After that Ambrose can chase heel Roman as the mega-face. It prints money, so the WWE won't
do it...
I had the network for a few months but cancelled cause the WWE is boring me. But, if this current lineup for Mania stays as it's shaping up to
be with Shane-Taker, Ambrose-Brock, Charlotte-Becky-Sasha, Owens and the rest I might give them another try. This has the potential to be a pretty
entertaining Wrestlemania if Vince and Co don't fuck it up.
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
WTF - a Hillary commercial? This is what I get for watching Raw from the start with no "catch up to live by fast forwarding through commercials" option. Never again.
I hope Ryback rapes you.
When Vince presented that award to Stephanie, my mind went immediately to how would Shane-O Mac feel about this? Never in a million years did I
expect to hear his theme music! I squealed like a 10 year old school girl! Can't remember the last time a crowd went through so many mark out
chants. Shane blew the roof off that fucking place! Have no clue where this confrontation with Taker will go, but that fact that they leave us
thinking about all the scenarios and possibilities is a good thing.
Where was KO?
Don't know what to make of the HHH/Reigns confrontation. Trips went out of his way to play to the crowd and get the cheers. Loved the red ink,
but that big question mark that floated over that arena was very prominent.
quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I hope Ryback rapes you.
The main thing I've taken out of this thread is wondering why I haven't been following Pete Gas on Twitter until now.
Been a while since I marked as hard as I did for Shane tonight. I just immediately rewound to hear the pop again. Damn.
Honestly, the talk about "how does this make the future better" makes me fucking sad. Wrestlemania is a goal, not a starting point. There are big
spectacle exhibition matches every year. And this is just the introduction of the Shane/Taker thing so we have literally no idea where it's
going beyond HOLY SHIT. So just soak in the holy shit for one fucking night, at least.
Dean Ambrose is my favorite wrestler and tonight showed every reason why. He's also totally bulletproof - feuding with Brock lets him prove
himself a tough badass even if he loses. But I still hope he wins because I fucking love Dean Ambrose and beating Brock would -make- him and I'd
expect him to be champion within the next year.
Roman-Sheamus is so played and, really, the whole League of Nations is becoming just the uppercard Social Outcasts at this point. They're all
talented guys but they're swimming in nothing to do and have no chemistry.
I agree that it's hilarious when Cole is like OMG HHH IS IN A T-SHIRT HE'S REALLY SERIOUS U GUYZ.
But that was still a hell of a beatdown and had plenty of intensity. The fans were happy to cheer Roman over Sheamus, but then preferred HHH. Which
is the issue if you care about who's getting rooted for - fans DO hate HHH, but they hate HHH the corporate stooge. They quite like HHH the
wrestler (outside of those holding smark grudges against him). Much like with Brock, they just like seeing a guy who can dismantle another guy.
It'll obviously be even more lopsided at Mania. Personally, I don't care, I think the match is going to be pretty excellent (although with
Dean/Lesnar on before it, it's going to have a hard time being the most brutal).
Man, if I was booking Mania....
AJ Styles Vs. HHH in a non-title match. Styles wins.
Ambrose Vs. Reigns to see who faces HHH for the title in the main event. Reigns wins.
Owens vs Taker
Shane Vs. lesnar in this Raw control stipulation HIAC
Sasha/Becky/Charlotte
TLC - New Days Vs. Usos Vs. Dudleys
HHH Vs. Reigns in a No-DQ match
Throw in 2 other throwaway matches/segments, and you got yourself a STEW going, my friend!
quote:
Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
Anybody else feel like Shane could have Cena be his avatar in the match?
I hope if they do a brand split they do one thing different, Have the IC on one show and United on the other, but only have one champion. One top dog that goes to both shows. I didn't like having two champions and seeing one of the titles not seem important.
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Originally posted by Flash
... er, or did you mean no way face Taker goes along with slaughtering Shane? :p
Soooo... I wonder if Vince'll suspend himself for 90 or 60 days? You really have to feel bad for Brad Maddox right about now. All that poor
bastard did was say "cocky pricks" before a dark match.
This company makes absolutely no sense at all.
Holy moly, I was wondering what that drop in the audio was. Anybody else think tonight's RAW was quite a bit paradigm shift-y? I mean, lookit
my fancy new av I cribbed off'n the Google. HHH, the douchebag Authority heel Champ, metaphorically and symbolically took face Reigns'
forearm cocking 
maneuver, artfully turned it into a Suck It crotch chop after fucking Roman in his Tiki hut on live television. Haitch
didn't just bury him. He buried it in him. Right up to the bloody base of the shovel. Gaaaaaaa!
Thank you...Haitch?!?!
Man, I forgot, HHH the wrestler is pretty cool. Reigns is not.
One thing I wanted to point out, you can hear people cheering Reigns during the match. There was a light "Lets go Roman, Roman sucks!" chant going on.
But when it came down to him getting his ass beat? His fans didn't care enough to show any remorse when he started getting wrecked. This is NOT
like Cena. People who hate Reigns hate him a lot more than the people who like him, like him. If that makes sense??
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Originally posted by Flash
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Originally posted by DKBroiler
Zero percent chance The Undertaker willingly goes along with this.
Not sure why everyone thinks Taker is going to run around putting the kibosh on all of his proposed matches (not just you DK, it's been a running theme what with the Stroman rumours).
While I don't doubt Taker is one of the few guys who Vince takes a lot of input from, and the two likely deal with one another as equals, Taker has throughout his career been the good soldier; up to and including (well, rumoured anyway) offering to end the streak in years past before Brock put paid to it.
Taker's also worked with a lot of dud up and comers throughout his career, and probably more than anyone else get's that theatricality and spectacle are as much part of a memorable wrestling moment as an in ring 5 star match. Don't get me wrong, he no doubt knows his number of matches are limited and would like to have a streak of good matches to cap his career; but the guy is top five of all time so safe and fun might not seem like such a bad idea to him either.
So while I can't see him working with Stroman, a HITC match against Shane where several other pieces could change and be added between now and WM isn't something I'd completely say is off the radar.... especially this close to mania.
... er, or did you mean no way face Taker goes along with slaughtering Shane? :p
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Posted by OORick
Much to my surprise, at least for one night, there are more than enough fans willing to find it in their heart to cheer for Triple H.
I don't really know if I want WWE to run with that, but I'll eat some crow and cool the jets on my talk of WM Main Event Walk Outs and such. That was one intense-ass closing segment.
Slade, it's been a long time..... but come on, we all know, deep down, you're a Reigns fanboy. You may not want to come out and admit it,
but really, it creeps in with comments like "He's worked his ass off"...and I say phooey.
After WM last year, he had a pretty good match with Big Show at the next PPV and then i don't remember a match he had up until Fastlane the other
night. He had a program with Wyatt, if I remember correctly, but don't even remember when that was. All of his matches have been just "OK" and
he hasn't stood out to me as anyone who has "worked their ass off" the way a guy like Kevin Owens, Cena, or even Rollins.
He is fed horrible material to work with in promos, sounds bad/corny while doing it, and is obviously too pussy to be that guy backstage who says
"look, if you're going to push me like this, let's change this a little, and do this a little different".
Sufferin' sucotash? I spelled that wrong and I don't care, because that is a word that never comes out of anybodies mouth in this modern
day and age unless it's the voice actor for Sylvester the Cat. And I think that guy is dead. Would The Rock repeat that line? He would outright
refuse to say something like that. Outside of WWE, Reigns clearly said in an interview that he shows up to work, does as he's told, and
that's how he wants it to be. Even outside of the business, he's not very endearing.
If he truly is that guy Vince wants as THE FUTURE, he needs to fucking show some balls and realize SOME stroke comes with that, and do some good for
his own on-screen character, because right now he's jsut a puppet who's career and faith with the fans is being put into a blender by the
WWE writing team, and you and him may not care, but in the end it will just be another swing and a miss and he'll forever get polarizing
reactions. It's like...WWE doesn't want another Stone Cold, and I have no fucking clue why.
I like to think that not every wrestling fan in the audience is a smark, and that some are booing and cheering against him because, well, they may
just not like him and don't see him as THE guy.
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Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Kind of amazing how many things they've done to try and get Roman Reigns over as a face for the past few months and they go out there and let the opposite guy do the thing that a face would do.
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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
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Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Kind of amazing how many things they've done to try and get Roman Reigns over as a face for the past few months and they go out there and let the opposite guy do the thing that a face would do.
A face would mercilessly beat somebody bloody, and then stand over them and gloat? What?
No. What happened was they thought that segment would make HHH into a big evil monster, and Roman into ultra-sympathetic underdog. Except it completely backfired on them. Because-- just like with all of Roman's booking the past 15 months-- the company has totally misread, or flat out ignored, the temperature in the room.
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Originally posted by GodEatGod
One of his main problems has always been the existence of Daniel Bryan as a viable alternative (which is now off the table). But another is that, for the last year, they've mostly wanted to book him like Daniel Bryan, too. That is, they've treated him as an oppressed underdog. But that worked with Daniel because of his size and style and personality.
I fondly bid adieu to My Friend Mark. He passed away a little over two weeks ago. It was an accident...I have no idea how he fell down that flight
of stairs and into an elevator shaft, onto some bullets, and I was right behind him.
-PB
RIP My Friend Mark, 1991-2016
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by PB-13]
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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
What happened was they thought that segment would make HHH into a big evil monster, and Roman into ultra-sympathetic underdog. Except it completely backfired on them. Because-- just like with all of Roman's booking the past 15 months-- the company has totally misread, or flat out ignored, the temperature in the room.
An interesting fan video of Byron Saxton helping Roman get colour on Raw, likely with a blood capsule as to not violate the intentional bleeding/PG
guidance (and send Cena's target demographic screaming to their paediatric therapists).
I distinctly seem to recall that on a recent podcast, Jim Ross lamented the fact that occasional colour would definitely help pop more dramatic
moments and he even mentioned the blood capsule as an alternative to blading. I wonder if the fact that the announcer slipped it to him was a subtle
hat tip to ol' JR that the E is indeed listening.
Also for discussion, if it was meant as a "shock" way to garner sympathy for Reigns, the end of Raw shows it may have had the converse effect by
helping get HHH over as a babyface by "seriously" beating up the unwanted prodigal son. Oy vey.
[Edited on 23-2-16 by vonLampertheim]
Ha, I was texting with my brother after RAW last night because I was suspicious that the blood in that segment was fake, but I was also pretty doubtful that the WWE would attempt to use fake blood in this day and age. But I guess my initial suspicions were correct!
I don't think that this is to believed, based on the source, but make of it what you will. I believe they are trying to keep him away from those
Northeast wrestling fans, if in fact he misses TV time:
WWE issued a breaking news alert on Tuesday afternoon announcing that Roman Reigns underwent surgery earlier today in Tampa, FL to repair a
"shattered nose."
Reigns was injured at the hands of WWE World Heavyweight champion Triple H in the closing segment of last night's RAW.
No timeframe has been given for how long Reigns will be out of action.
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by Frank Lloyd Wright]
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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
His new problem now is the existence of Ambrose. When Roman had that first backstage interview last night, you could audibly hear the crowd chanting, "we want Ambrose!"
* Wow, WWE didn't take long in eliminating the boos that accompanied Roman's win.� I love how the "applause" shot had an Ambrose Asylum sign
held up right in the middle.
* Well, I suppose there could be worse matches than Lesnar/Ambrose.� Guess we know what the show-stealer should be.
* Awww... a lovely father/daughter moment.
* Steph conjuring some nice emotion.
* The hell?� Shane?� And since JBL is *SURE* that he's here to support the family, he will most assuredly be doing the opposite.�
* We also know which McMahon male has stock in Grecian Formula.
* Hey, Vince... compare the reaction your son got to the one your future champion got last night.
* Shane's wiping real tears away.�
* She doesn't know, does she?� Uh-oh.
* Shane's performance here is fantastic.
* So let me get this straight... Undertaker has the potential to lose two matches at Wrestlemania... Brock Lesnar & Shane McMahon?
* Detroit loves them some New Day.
* Booty-O's cereal?� They make sure, you ain't booty?� I rofled my waffles.
* Those double 450 splashes on the floor were insane.
* Roman's sad face is not very convincing.� Not the best promo from him.� Seemed very uncomfortable.
* Paul Heyman saying what the world has been thinking.� If you think HHH/Reigns is the main event...
* That was an awesome segment.
* Jim Harbaugh could be a pro wrestler.
* Why is Chris doing AJ's promo for him?
* Heath & Bo were funny.
* That started slow, but it was quite the finish.�� Positive start to Y2AJ.
* Poor Goldust.
* They really want to give us this match again?� Oh, Bray's in this one.� Whee?
* Big Show was laughing at that Gillberg chant.
* What's the point of Ryback leaving?
* Oh, good grief.� Ryback trying to be tough guy again.
* Sasha needs to come up with a name for that high Thesz press.� May I suggest Safecracker.
* Is this the 3rd or 4th recap of the 1st segment?
* So this match is really happening.� I guess the only thing to do now is to book a water balloon fight between Shane's boys and Steph's
girls so every McMahon can have a WM match.� Balloon-a-mania is running wild!!!!
* Is this really the Main Event?� Ah, I guess we need to learn to be disappointed by final segments for the next month.
* "Look, there's dueling chants, just like Cena!"� "But Vince, Cena earned this over 6-8 years."� "Even better!� He's done it faster!"�
"Vince, that's not how it works."
* HHH getting the cheers.� Roman getting the boos (mostly).
* The heel champion cheered after bloodying, impaling, and skull-smashing his face challenger.� Oy.
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Originally posted by Frank Lloyd Wright
I don't think that this is to believed, based on the source, but make of it what you will. I believe they are trying to keep him away from those Northeast wrestling fans, if in fact he misses TV time:
WWE issued a breaking news alert on Tuesday afternoon announcing that Roman Reigns underwent surgery earlier today in Tampa, FL to repair a "shattered nose."
Reigns was injured at the hands of WWE World Heavyweight champion Triple H in the closing segment of last night's RAW.
No timeframe has been given for how long Reigns will be out of action.
Be a man, borrow a face mask from Cody or Trish, and get back in the goddamn ring.
Looks like he borrowed something from Trish in that photo, just wasn't a mask.
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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
Looks like he borrowed something from Trish in that photo, just wasn't a mask.
I know Reigns winning is the obvious conclusion but the pieces can also look to be set up to give the Authority a reason to stick around after Shane wins. Shane gets control of RAW but HHH remains a thorn on his side as the WWE Champion. Do it for the long enough and you can make a mega Main Event for Summerslam, HHH defending against the personally endorsed by Shane O Mac, Seth Rollins!
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And now Roman Reigns has posted a "post-surgery" pic on his Twitter:
https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns/status/702266846519672833/photo/1
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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
Looks like he borrowed something from Trish in that photo, just wasn't a mask.
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Originally posted by bigfatgoalie
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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
Looks like he borrowed something from Trish in that photo, just wasn't a mask.
So do Roman and Dean recreate this scene?
It was from a riff they did when ABC did a skit to open Monday Night Football with one of the Desperate Housewives in an NFL locker room looking for
some of the big-C. Full clip below:
Also, Sasha with the nifty move of the night.
[Edited on 2/24/2016 by Paddlefoot]
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Posted by CamstunPWG187
Slade, it's been a long time..... but come on, we all know, deep down, you're a Reigns fanboy. You may not want to come out and admit it, but really, it creeps in with comments like "He's worked his ass off"...and I say phooey.
After WM last year, he had a pretty good match with Big Show at the next PPV and then i don't remember a match he had up until Fastlane the other night. He had a program with Wyatt, if I remember correctly, but don't even remember when that was. All of his matches have been just "OK" and he hasn't stood out to me as anyone who has "worked their ass off" the way a guy like Kevin Owens, Cena, or even Rollins.
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Originally posted by nOOb
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Originally posted by punkerhardcore
His new problem now is the existence of Ambrose. When Roman had that first backstage interview last night, you could audibly hear the crowd chanting, "we want Ambrose!"
This problem, just like the Bryan problem, is easily solved by having their doctor tell Ambrose that the next injury he gets is too severe for them to, in good conscience, clear him to wrestle, let him try to get out of his contract for the next year, and, eventually, just retire after he refuses to take a non-Roman threatening position with the company.
Granted, you may have to also do this with Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens, AJ Styles, Chris Jericho, Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Erick Rowan, Alberto Del Rio, Sheamus, Rusev, Big E, Kofi Kingston, Xavier Wood, Neville, Cody Rhodes/Stardust, Kalisto, Sin Cara, Bo Dallas, Heath Slater, Curtis Axel, Adam Rose, Kane, and everyone in NXT, but eventually Roman would get over. Until Ryback starts getting more "Feed Me More" chants than Roman gets actual cheers, in which case you'd have to repeat those steps again with Ryback, Brock Lesnar, Big Show, the Dudleys, Shane McMahon, the Undertaker, Goldust, Los Matadores, Darren Young, Damien Sandow, the recently unsuspended Titus O'Neil, the Ascension, and the Miz. Then Vince will finally have his dream match for the WWE World Title between Roman Reigns and Braun Stowman, just like he always wanted.
But at least the Hall of Fame class of 2017 will be loaded.
[Edited on 2-23-2016 by nOOb]
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Originally posted by Slade
You do know that it is possible for someone to work their ass off and not be the best at what they do, don't you? Not everyone can be the best at what they do. Not everyone who gives it their all can be an all-star. Like in baseball, just because one guy is a utility infielder destined for a life of riding the bench doesn't mean he doesn't work as hard as the cornerstone of franchise....
....Does Reigns work as hard as Owens, Cena or Rollins? Maybe. We don't know. Is he as good as any of them? No, I wouldn't say that he is as good as any of them at his job.
"The power of Janerd compels me."
Testify.
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Originally posted by Count Zero
But seriously? That's a fantastic post. Do we have a "Post of the Year" thread yet? I realize it's still Early Days of 2016, but.. The sheer attention to detail, PLUS the HoF Class line to close it out.
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Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Also, Sasha with the nifty move of the night.
[Edited on 2/24/2016 by Paddlefoot]
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Originally posted by Planet Starbucks
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Originally posted by Slade
You do know that it is possible for someone to work their ass off and not be the best at what they do, don't you? Not everyone can be the best at what they do. Not everyone who gives it their all can be an all-star. Like in baseball, just because one guy is a utility infielder destined for a life of riding the bench doesn't mean he doesn't work as hard as the cornerstone of franchise....
....Does Reigns work as hard as Owens, Cena or Rollins? Maybe. We don't know. Is he as good as any of them? No, I wouldn't say that he is as good as any of them at his job.
So using your analogy, Reigns has the ability of a utility infielder (whatever that is - I'm British), but against all logic is still being positioned as the cornerstone of the franchise. Gee, I wonder why he gets booed so much? You know that guy at work who gets the big promotion, even though he's shit at his job, just because he knows the right people? I would guess most of us do, as do a high proportion of the live crowd it seems.
quote:Also, Thank you Sir!
Originally posted by williamssl
http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=30929
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Originally posted by Planet Starbucks
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Originally posted by Slade
You do know that it is possible for someone to work their ass off and not be the best at what they do, don't you? Not everyone can be the best at what they do. Not everyone who gives it their all can be an all-star. Like in baseball, just because one guy is a utility infielder destined for a life of riding the bench doesn't mean he doesn't work as hard as the cornerstone of franchise....
....Does Reigns work as hard as Owens, Cena or Rollins? Maybe. We don't know. Is he as good as any of them? No, I wouldn't say that he is as good as any of them at his job.
So using your analogy, Reigns has the ability of a utility infielder (whatever that is - I'm British), but against all logic is still being positioned as the cornerstone of the franchise. Gee, I wonder why he gets booed so much? You know that guy at work who gets the big promotion, even though he's shit at his job, just because he knows the right people? I would guess most of us do, as do a high proportion of the live crowd it seems.
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Posted by Count Zero
You just hit the nail right on the head. I appreciate the "bit part" players in real-sports more than a lot of sportsfans (for those who know & care, I'm a Blue Jays fan, and I'm really sad they lost Muninori Kawasaki to free-agency), but even I realize that you can't build your franchise around some dude who is a Pretty Okay Guy without inviting a lot of what-the-fuck from your fanbase.
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Originally posted by Slade
No, you can't build your franchise around Munenori Kawasaki. That would be like building your franchise around Heath Slater. He's fun to have around, but that's about it. On the other hand, you can justifiably build the future of your franchise around a guy who is an above average contributor and who has the potential to become an elite player, like Marcus Stroman.
[Edited on 2-24-2016 by Slade]
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Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Also, Sasha with the nifty move of the night.
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Originally posted by Dominator
* Sasha needs to come up with a name for that high Thesz press.� May I suggest Safecracker.
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Originally posted by Dominator
* Sasha needs to come up with a name for that high Thesz press.� May I suggest Safecracker.
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Originally posted by Dominator
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Originally posted by Dominator
* Sasha needs to come up with a name for that high Thesz press.� May I suggest Safecracker.
