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posted on 3-10-2017 at 09:26 PM
....twilight of man, dawn of the fuck-bots........
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 3-10-2017 at 09:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
....twilight of man, dawn of the fuck-bots........
Seriously, looking at humanity, did you think it was going to end in any other way?
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posted on 3-10-2017 at 10:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
....twilight of man, dawn of the fuck-bots........
FUCK-BOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope Ridley was smart enough to steal some 'droid ideas from these guys. Especially the raping white boys part.
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posted on 3-10-2017 at 10:50 PM
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 3-10-2017 at 11:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by janerd75
Do they come in Eva Marie?
Who doesn't come in Eva Marie??
Too easy? (the joke, I mean, not her.)
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posted on 3-11-2017 at 01:37 AM
quote:Originally posted by Count Zero
Who doesn't come in Eva Marie??
Too easy? (the joke, I mean, not her.)
S'why I'm here boss.
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posted on 4-26-2017 at 10:44 PM
Hmm, perhaps sewing David's head back on really wasn't the best of ideas.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 4-27-2017 at 10:30 AM
Goddamnit, I still think Prometheus was a shiny piece of crap that was too busy being up it's own ass but that trailer has me hyped up.
I hope the supporting characters don't drag down David like last time. Fassbender is killing it.
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posted on 4-27-2017 at 02:49 PM
Yeah, that voice he has with the "look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair" along with that look in his eyes as the hold on the engineer's
ship opens up over the city is just fuckin' chilling. David, and presumably Walter later on when they inevitably meet, having a plan of their
own could be what makes this film more that just another bug hunt. And all Ridley had to do with Covenant is make sure the humans aren't a bunch
of complete idiots that are so ludicrous it make's the audience want to see them die. From the trailers and teasers so far it looks like he
might have finally succeeded.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 5-19-2017 at 07:04 AM
So caught this tonight with a buddy and neither of us walked out thinking that Ridley Scott expects the future to be filled with people who have an
abundance of common sense.
There's some cool stuff in here, and Fassbender definitely does a great job, but much like in Prometheus Scott seems to ignore the most
interesting stuff in favour of something more allegorical... interesting; but nowhere near as interesting as the story he ignores or glosses over.
He does kind of mash some of the more expected Aliens stuff into this one (including a cool looking "neomorph"), so it has a bit more of a
satisfying finish to it, but still...
I think at this point for as much as I love some classic Ridley Scott, I'm probably more excited for Blade Runner 2 because of Dennis Villeneuve
than I am Scott.
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posted on 5-19-2017 at 07:17 AM
Just confirm two things:
1) the genocide scene is as good on the screen as it was in the trailer
2) the humans are just mostly innocent and unprepared, not complete plonkering arseholes that all deserve to die like the ones in Prometheus were
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 5-19-2017 at 09:13 PM
I avoided many of the later trailers as I've been trying more and more to go into movies I really want to see as "cold" as possible... I think
action movies are a bit more susceptible to spoilers than some other kind of movies do stuff like... "Oh, haven't seen that giant explosion
they showed in the trailer yet, guess that's how the movie ends..."... So I can't say for sure what genocide scene they showed in the
trailer, but what fits the bill in the movie isn't very long, and is shot mostly from a macro scale... so it's more sweeping chaos.
The humans are pretty dumb... some are innocent enough caught up in the carnage, but unfortunately a few key scenes feature a lot of "duh" playing
out.
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 05:16 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed it. Rewatched Prometheus last night to get ready for it. I expected David to be a psycho but not as psycho as he was. The
end was kinda obvious knowing that there's at least one more film coming. I'd give it a 7 or 8.
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 05:25 AM
So did David do the correct thing, but in a David sort of way (i.e. a combination of hyper-violence and curiosity)? The franchise could be made more
interesting if the androids are moving towards sentience/full independence, and are starting to play their own game.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 05:36 AM
Walter, the later-gen David, noted that certain design flaws with David were corrected in his model.
Also, if Walter had been the android with Shaw instead of David, then this movie would have been boring as shit.
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posted on 5-22-2017 at 05:44 PM
I enjoyed it as well. The humans did do some dumb stuff, but was a lot more forgivable than in Prometheus because they were extremely unprepared for
their situation and most of their big dumb decisions were immediate reactions due to immense fear. The aliens were pretty cool in this one. The
David/Walter scenes dragged a bit, but Fassbender is really good and still makes it interesting.
Verdict: 7/10 and definitely the third best Alien movie.
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posted on 5-29-2017 at 07:50 PM
Really enjoyed the shit out of this film. There were so many brutal and visceral moments... Ridley really wanted to let you know how fucking
disgusting the alien life cycle is.
It failed to recreate the sheer horror of Alien at the end, and that was a bit disappointing, but I can't complain too much. It would be hard to
accomplish that again, and especially since they had a very limited amount of time for the xenomorph to do it's thing on the ship.
I am also enjoying how as the franchise moves on, it's getting much more into the AI aspect of the future, than simply about the aliens, because
let's face it, there isn't too much you can do with a xenomorph's character development. Seeing how we got to them was great, but
it's more or less a byproduct of our own innate desire to understand life and in a way become gods.
I really loved the way some of the early scenes feel when shit starts to fall apart. There's a certain momentum that is truly unnerving. Like
everything's going okay and then within minutes there's two dead guys, aliens running around, and the drop-ship explodes. The feeling of
wonder and curiosity are crushed into terror and hopelessness in like ten minutes.
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posted on 5-31-2017 at 12:22 PM
Saw this last night with the wife and kid, and at the risk of getting too spoilery a couple of thoughts:
First, are the Alien V Predator movies a separate time line? Cause how could David have engineered the xenomorphs in the future if the Predators were
using them in the past?
Second, I had an hentai flash when the tail slipped under the wall in the shower, glad I was wrong, cause eww.
Third, Did James Franco get a full paycheck for that?
Fourth, we all liked it, even though it was predictable, partially because it was obvious, and partially because it was a prequel.
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posted on 5-31-2017 at 07:35 PM
The AvP movies aren't considered to be canon, or in non-nerdspeak, aren't a part of the overall official Alien time- and storyline.
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posted on 5-31-2017 at 09:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by williamssl
The AvP movies aren't considered to be canon, or in non-nerdspeak, aren't a part of the overall official Alien time- and storyline.
Ah, okay that answers that question.
And it's okay, I speak fluent nerd
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posted on 5-31-2017 at 10:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by OOMike
quote:Originally posted by williamssl
The AvP movies aren't considered to be canon, or in non-nerdspeak, aren't a part of the overall official Alien time- and storyline.
Technically, in this current iteration of Alien films, the AvP ones don't count anymore. However, for a real mindblower, 'Alien' and
'Blade Runner' could conceivably be considered part of the same universe.
For me it's a big ol' meh to the whole proceedings. Sequels of diminishing returns post 'Aliens' is one thing, but revisiting,
dissecting, and TMI backstorying the terror out of the original film with the Prometheus' and Covenant's "Angsty Android's Angry
Black Goo Monsters" films just casts a pall over the whole operation. As has been said many times before about these types of films, once you attempt
to explain away the mystery, especially in a longterm property like this, there's nothing left to accomplish nor anywhere else to go with the
story. Especially if you demystify and explain away the most important thing to protect in a spooky horror character and/or villain, which is the
unknown motivation/simple origin of the antagonist. See Myers, Michael and Vader, Darth for reference.
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posted on 6-4-2017 at 10:57 PM
Just caught Covenant today and would probably put it at about a 7/10 (which seems to be the general consensus here). It didn't blow me away or
anything, but it's a solid enough entry into the Alien franchise. A few thoughts, some of which are spoilery, but I figure anyone still
reading this thread has probably already seen the movie:
-I think my biggest qualm was how they totally "Alien 3'd" the Elizabeth Shaw character. For all the faults Prometheus had, she was one of the
bright spots of that movie and I would have enjoyed a sequel focusing on her and David searching for the engineer's home planet. Instead, she
gets an offscreen death and it kind of makes the events of Prometheus a little anti-climatic when we know that Shaw eventually is going to die at the
hands of David anyway.
-Speaking of David, the scenes with him and Walter interacting (particularly the one where he was teaching him to play the flute) were extremely well
done. I did see a stand-in for David/Walter listed in the credits, so I wonder if they did something similar to Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One and had
one actor standing in for Michael Fassbender and then digitally added him in later? Either way, it was very convincing that there were two Fassbenders
interacting with each other.
-It seems like the time from when you get "impregnated" by a facehugger to when an alien is bursting out of you has always been inconsistent in the
Alien movies. In the original Alien it seemed like it was a couple of days, but in Covenant you've got one bursting out of Billy Crudup in what
seems like less than an hour. Also, has the life cycle of the alien ever been fully explained? Because it seems like it goes from baby to full-grown
super quickly.
-A sequel seems iffy at this point due to Covenant not performing super well at the box office, but I do wonder where they'd go next. Daniels is
the only one who knows that Walter is actually David, so does he kill her off while she's in stasis? And does David actually take them to
Origae-6 or does he set off course somewhere else now that he's in full control of the ship?
