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OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for: RAW (January 18, 2010)
OO Nation: All discussion pertaining to RAW (airing January 18, 2010) should be done in this thread. It will remain pinned at the top of the
Current Events section for the remainder of the week. In discussing the program, we'd love it if you shared your numerical rating for
the show (from a low of 0.0 to a high of 5.0, in any increment of one-tenth of a point). For full details on the ratings scale and how to join in on
this informal "Battle of the Brands," please be sure to check out the OOfficial
Guidelines for TV Ratings/Discussion Threads.
Tonight on RAW: Uhhh, Sonny Crockett and Napoleon Dynamite (two of the pop culture phenomena whose popularity utterly baffles me, since I was
apparently too young to think "Miami Vice" was cool, yet slightly too old to understand why the slew of college kids right after me found Napoleon
Dynamite so quote-able) are the guest hosts for some reason... and the Undertaker will show up to address Shawn Michaels' repeated challenges;
funny, doesn't he have a title defense he should be more concerned about?... nothing else is announced, but thankfully, it's widely
expected that Bret Hart will be back to start the run to WM26, so THAT'S something maybe worth getting fired up for... other than that? Expect 2
hours of trying to make us give a shit about Sheamus/Orton... and it's probably about time we start getting guys announced/entered for the
30-man Rumble match, too... oh, and the Diva Title tourney continues, too....
The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Let your voice be heard and your thoughts on Brand Supremacy be known. Don't wait till after 11pm to post,
either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!
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williamssl
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They better pick up the pace on the Rumble match itself. We're less than two weeks away from the PPV and there has been little if any
discussion of that. I guess the title matches had to fall into place somewhat, which they have, so now that that's all settled, everyone else
can focus on the Rumble. But still - shouldn't Big Show (who's been out of the singles title mix for a bit) be talking about how
he's going to be in and dominate the Rumble? Shouldn't we be hearing people who have no chance in hell no matter what like Chavo talking
about it?
On the women's side, at least they did the pairings that produce Gail vs. Alicia and Maryse vs. Eve so we'll have a likely final of Maryse
vs. Gail (instead of Maryse vs. Eve).
I'll be watching the 24 though...
Don't Mess With Texas
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LuckyLopez
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Do they ever really tell a hell of a lot of storytelling from the Rumble though? I mean, its lazy booking but the Rumble sells itself. And its been
a long time since there's been more than 2 or 3 possible winners so this seems no different than what we should be used to.
There were Bret rumors so I was debating watching. But the hosts are just too painful. Now that it sounds like no Bret until next week I can ignore
RAW's existence in peace, thank God.
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nOOb
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On the guest hosts: WWE is billing it as they're both "starring" in the movie "When in Rome", coming out sometime. The odd reality of it,
though, is that checking IMDB and other places, Heder is barely a co-star and Don Johnson is a cameo appearance at best. They couldn't have
gotten Will Arnett or Dax Shepard to host Raw instead? Dax Shepard may have even worked, since he's semi-recognizable and his style of humor is
right where Vince is at.
Everything about this girl is awesome. She's hot, she got kicked out of school for sucking too many dicks, she takes it in the ass and her body
gives itself abortions. -Punker on Lilly Allen's Miscarriage
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williamssl
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On a plusier note, why not go with Kristen Bell if going after people in that movie? Hot chick hosting RAW. Not a bad thing.
Don't Mess With Texas
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LuckyLopez
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I just saw that Jerry Springer is hosting an upcoming RAW so I'm now firmly of the mind that Vince McMahon has gone totally senile and thinks
its 1999. That means Kristen Bell is like 8 and Will Arnett is doing standup somewhere but Don Johnson is the star of Nash Bridges which Stone Cold
just appeared on. Tyson is the crazy guy who just bit Holyfield's ear off, Springer's show is the talk of every water cooler, and William
Shatner is having a career resurgence thanks to his wacky song styling. I can only assume the Psych guys are getting through because 80% of their
jokes are nostalgia based anyway so Vince just assumes they're what the black kids are watching.
I can't explain Heder except that he looks funny so Vince laughs.
My current theory is that January 4th broke Vince. We all joked about Bret/Shawn and the nWo. "What is this, 1999?" "Its the Monday Night Wars
again!" But Vince's mind was too fragile for it. He got so confused by what he was seeing that it snapped back to 1999 and won't leave.
Judging by this I'm going to predict that on the Road to Wrestlemania we get numerous jokes about how Hornswoogle can see dead people, Kelly
Kelly will start parodying Britney Spears instead of Jillian, and Santino will dress as Fat Bastard when Mike Myers hosts.
[Edited on 1-19-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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The Hitcher
Creepy Little Bastard
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How long has Cody Rhodes been walking out onto the ramp backwards? Is that his thing?
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nOOb
The Rowdy One
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Well, I can kinda explain Vince's liking of Heder. See, when I was away at college back when Napoleon Dynamite hit DVD, my dad was managing a
mid-sized lumber company when one of the employee's kids brought Napoleon Dynamite by, and for some inexplicable reason every single one of them
was hooked. When my dad headed home from work, he bought Napoleon Dynamite on DVD and had my mom watch it. She loved it and had her teaching friends
watch it. Sure enough, they all loved it, too.
Napoleon Dynamite is like a virus. It hits older people hard, while younger people like us sometimes need to watch it three or four times to give
into his quirky charm, and other young people are just immune to it.
My guess is that Stephanie or Hunter or Shane saw it, loved it, and passed it on to Vince. And naturally, being a billionaire, he had to have him
host the show.
Everything about this girl is awesome. She's hot, she got kicked out of school for sucking too many dicks, she takes it in the ass and her body
gives itself abortions. -Punker on Lilly Allen's Miscarriage
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The Riot Act
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Well, for some reason Lawler has Randy Savage on his mind. That was random.
And yes, Hitcher, Rhodes has been doing that for a while and I still can't figure it out.
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Maybe it was my imagination...but did HBK screw up every single Miz spot tonight?
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the goon
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quote:
Originally posted by The Riot Act
Well, for some reason Lawler has Randy Savage on his mind. That was random.
Yeah, I thought that was completely bizarre and from out of nowhere.
As for the rest of the show, it was the usual of mix of some good stuff in a sea of mediocrity/crap.
I did enjoy the opening segment, as Taker interrupting Vince was kind of a surprise and I never really get tired of those two in the ring together
(plus it's been awhile since their paths crossed). The stuff that followed with Michaels was good as well and I wasn't surprised to see
Taker turn down the match (which I'd been predicting).
I turned the channel and missed almost all of Sheamus/Bourne, though I'm assuming there wasn't much to really see. And I still think that
Sheamus is gradually coming along as champion. Though I'm not happy about Orton being back in the title scene so soon, I have to admit that the
feud between the two is kind of interesting. And what's up with Orton getting face pops for the second week in a row? I think this feud is going
to inadvertently turn him face.
The Jack Swagger stuff continues to be pointless.
The Johnson/Heder segment went on a little too long, I thought. While it wasn't horrible (since they both seemed to have at least a working
knowledge of the WWE), there really wasn't much point to it other than setting up the main event.
After whatever it was that Kofi did to cause Orton's hissy fit last week, I'm glad to see it hasn't hurt him too much. Getting to
team with Cena is a good thing for him, plus he got the pinfall. I thought the match was pretty good all around, but I was surprised that neither
announcer made mention of the obvious dissension between Rhodes and Dibiase after the match.
I'll admit Triple H's line of "Watch your language...this is a PG show" to Hornswaggle got a small chuckle out of me.
Man, the Divas tag match kind of sucked, and it pains me to say that about something involving Maryse. Well, she was awesome as usual, but the match
just never really clicked (the dropkick whiff by Eve being the most glaring fuck up).
It's about time Chris Masters got new music. Now hopefully he gets released next week.
The main event your usual "DX beats everyone" match. It was fun for what it was, but that's about it. Though I did enjoy seeing Miz get to
play with the big boys.
I really liked the post-match stuff with Cena, Big Show, and Triple H throwing their hats into the Rumble match. Between that and the Taker/Michaels
stuff, they really kicked things into high gear for the Rumble tonight and I think it was pretty excellent all around (especially compared to last
year, when it was basically The Randy Orton Show). There are any number of ways they could go here, both in regards to who wins the Rumble and how
Taker/Michaels II eventually gets set up. I'm already predicting some kind of Michaels/Triple H spot in the Rumble match, maybe even them being
the last two.
Anyhow, I'll go 2.4 for tonight. The Rumble build up stuff was great, the Kofi/Cena vs. Legacy tag match was pretty good, and I'm
surprisingly not completely turned off by Sheamus/Orton. Everything else ranged from okay to crap.
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Chris Is Good517
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Wow, that was not a good show. Even Miz didn't seem to be on point tonight. Was the highlight of the show really an Undertaker promo?
Ouch.
Oh, and that women's match? Congratulations, Jackie Gayda vs. Trish Stratus, you are no longer the most terrible womens' match I've
ever seen. Only WWE could throw Gail Kim into a match and still have it turn out to be that bad. I don't think Eve and Alicia completely lack
talent but I don't know if they're still really green or if they just didn't click together or what but holy shit, that was bad on
every imaginable level. Who knows, maybe watching Hamada outwrestle 85% of the men in the industry has spoiled me.
Nothing else on the show was that bad but there wasn't much good, either. Heder got amazing heel heat with the Lane Kiffin references but
his delivery was really clumsy and awkward. And seeing Randy Orton's face turn an unhealthy shade of purple while in the Masterlock gave me a
brief flicker of hope that maybe Masters would accidently kill Orton.
I dunno. It was pretty awful but I don't want to be irrational about it and I did enjoy the first half hour or so, so I'll give it a
1.75
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williamssl
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Wow, that was not a good show.
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I'll give it a 1.75
yep.
At least they got Rumble match stuff going, but too little too late. Wish they would at least promote all the other "filler" guys who are going to
be in there vs. just the big ones like Show and HBK and HHH and Cena who stand a plausible chance, storylines aside (cough HBK cough).
Guest Hosts earn a spot in the bottom 15% of guest hosts so far.
Bret who? Thought he was supposed to show up.
Poor Swagger.
Sorry guys - not how you enter home stretch heading into one of your Big 4 PPVs or how you build on some of the momentum from a couple weeks back.
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The Hitcher
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I was looking at my laptop when that Randy Savage comment got made I had to double check with the V+ rewind thingamajig to make sure I heard it.
Wonders of live TV eh.
I'll try and focus on the good points I took from last night.
Shawn/Taker is building some nice steam even if it is essentially a rehash and inevitable I'm still looking forward to how they book it from now
to (and including) the match at Mania.
Chris Masters isn't offending me as much as he did during his first run.
Miz while slightly off tonight, probably due to the segement, is still bringing it on the mic for me. He and MVP have a natural ease when talking that
isn't often seen in most of the younger guys.
Um, yeah, that's all I've got.
Oh, what the fuck was that bit with Carlito about?
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MayhemNX
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There was really a Randy Orton chant? Really? Dear god, Sheamus did what no one else could do, get people to cheer for Randy Orton.
It was like teabagging a bear cub in front of its mother. The sheer shocking audacity of it is the only thing that saved you.
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gobbledygooker
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quote:
Originally posted by MayhemNX
There was really a Randy Orton chant? Really? Dear god, Sheamus did what no one else could do, get people to cheer for Randy Orton.
I don't know, there always seems to be a small contingent of douchnozzles in the crowd who cheer for him, regardless of where they are, unless
he's going against a complete babyface the crowd loves, i.e. HBK (not Cena). I know, I don't understand it either. But I do notice
it.
Maybe it's the Bret Hart involvement but these shows have just about convinced me to do what I didn't do last year for the first time in a
hell of a long time - order the Rumble. Sweet Jesus, between HBK, HHH, and Cena on the Raw side, that's three guys right there who I could
potentially see winning it. Though if Cena somehow pulls it off, I will take a sledgehammer to my HD.
As for the show, I thought Don Johnson and Jon Heder were better than I was expecting. I would've thought Johnson would give off a vibe of
being a prick who thought he was above being on a wrestling show but he really seemed to have fun with it. And Heder was good at playing heel and I
almost lost it when he busted out the real wrestling tights in the main event. By the way, was that a not-so-subtle swipe at Flair when they had him
wearing one of Flair's old robes?
The rest kept me entertained enough, resting on the tentpoles of the awesomeness of the opening segment and the awesomeness of the closing segment. I
love that we're finally getting some tension in DX. Goon had the idea last night of the Rumble coming down to HHH and HBK as the final two,
which I think would be freakin' awesome.
It was also good to see Orton tusseling with his doppleganger, Chris Masters. When they were both locked up and you couldn't see their faces,
they seriously looked like the exact same guy in the exact same tights, just one was a little bulkier. And didn't have tattoos.
2.5
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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firewoman
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1.0 largely because of a lack of, you know, wrestling. No matches (squashes don't count) in the first hour. Three squashes, two
of people who don't deserve to be squashed.
Don Johnson being hot saves it from being a 0.
Did Shawn Michaels lose it when Cena (or Cena's music) was late?
[DevSop] god your sex life scares me
[SeamusMcNasty] And that is why I hate the Miz. He's got potential, but he just doesn't live up to it. Unlike Randy Orton, who has no
potential and lives right up to that.
MHJ: "if it is kinky, depraved, erotic, or a fetish, you will find it"
theflammabledouchimal: By the way, I heard that house shows have Morrison and Mcintyre teaming up to take on the team of Baretta/Croft, with Jericho
as special ref.
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Stu
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I'm usually a bit lenient, but that was fucking atrocious. 1.8.
Precious little wrestling, and segments that weren't just awful conceptually but also performed pretty awkwardly. Pointless Taker appearance,
pointless guest hosts(the only bit I liked from them was Heder's ring entrance), a Chris Masters/Orton match (which to be fair I'd have at
least liked as a guilty pleasure if Orton had been reduced to jobbing to the Masterlock, but instead it was an actual attempt to make it a
"competitive match"), and Cena once again getting away with acting like a big headed douche by treating his entering he Royal Rumble as a big
announcement.
Does anyone else possibly see Michaels winning the Rumble, then losing to Taker, only for this years MITB winner to cash it in right after to both win
the title AND end the streak at the same time? Done right, it could make someone a major heel.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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So who wants to bet that Randy Savage will be going into the HOF this year? Given Lawler's slip in calling Randy Orton "Randy Savage" there
has to be reason why Savage was on his mind. At least that would be my bet. I wonder if Orton screamed at Lawler for the botch.
Am I correct in assuming this Guest Host business was supposed to be under the Trump buys Raw storyline, however the wwe had to drop that storyline
due to investor confusion. It doesn't make sense for the McMahon character to give up power to random celebrities. Regardless I hope it ends
soon. Sure it gets mainstream coverage on occasion, but I think it hurts the show there is a seriousness missing.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
What ever happened to Pre-Debut Vignettes? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqWcJ0ortMo
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gobbledygooker
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I forgot to mention in my post - Does anyone else get a kick out of the fact that, during this new "PG-Era" of WWE, the current theme song to Raw
prominently features the lyrics, "I'm in, balls out!" and "No shirt, shit-faced!" (Yes, Chad Kroeger is quite the poet laureate).
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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LuckyLopez
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
So who wants to bet that Randy Savage will be going into the HOF this year?
I'll take that bet. I'm pretty confident it was little more than an understandable if hilarious mistake from an announcer.
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Frank Lloyd Wright
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I thought the opening promo was brilliant. And I'm one who usually goes to take a leak when the Undertaker makes his entry, or grabs the mic.
But not this time, his interaction with both Vince and Michaels was really good tv. The possibilities of how this match comes together between these
two, is endless.
I have to agree that the show lacked real wrestling content, but a majority here are really underestimating the impact of things that happened on this
show. Was this the first chink in the armor of DX that we saw tonight? This gave me hope that we could be looking at a changing of the guard as it
pertains to the unified tag titles. Based on what happened on Smackdown, that would be Punk and Gallows. Can you imagine the possibilities of Punk
bouncing around the WWE Universe at will? Count me in for that one! But more importantly, lets hope this is the coming out party of heel HHH, who
would slap his own mother for a shot at competing and winning the world title.
The facts are, HHH and his little comedy routines with Shawn and their pet midget, have grown extremely tiresome. This is a good opportunity for the
WWE to change the direction of their storytelling, before the Rumble even goes off. That is something I hope they take advantage of.
Final Score: 2.5
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Heder's kick to Hornswoggle looked nasty. Heder taking off the robe to reveal a Cody Rhodes physique with a Sheamus skintone was very mildly
funny. Heder in general seemed pretty game for being humiliated and all that but he was a bit awkward the whole time too in a way that didn't
quite work for me. The highlight of the show for me was Hornswoggle saying "come onnnn" to get Triple H to pick him up.
The opening (Vince/Undertaker/Michaels in-ring talk) and closing (Rumble build-up) parts of the show were good. The Legacy vs Cena and Kofi tag match
was decent. Everything else was pretty much filler, ranging from acceptable to poor. I don't think Alicia Fox and Eve should've won their
matches last week at all. The show largely felt quite lifeless this week, as it does a lot of the time but hasn't done so much lately. Even Miz
and MVP were pretty shitty this week.
Edit:
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Originally posted by Frank Lloyd Wright
But more importantly, lets hope this is the coming out party of heel HHH, who would slap his own mother for a shot at competing and winning the world
title.
The facts are, HHH and his little comedy routines with Shawn and their pet midget, have grown extremely tiresome. This is a good opportunity for the
WWE to change the direction of their storytelling, before the Rumble even goes off. That is something I hope they take advantage of.
Could you not satisfy yourself by watching one of the sixty thousand Shawn Michaels vs Triple H matches from 2002-2004 instead? I'd rather see
DX teaming up for all eternity than see either of them wrestle a) each other or b) for the world titles ever again.
[Edited on 1-19-2010 by FistHiccups]
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firewoman
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The last half was okay, and the set up for the rumble was fine. But the first hour ruined the entire rest of it for me.
[DevSop] god your sex life scares me
[SeamusMcNasty] And that is why I hate the Miz. He's got potential, but he just doesn't live up to it. Unlike Randy Orton, who has no
potential and lives right up to that.
MHJ: "if it is kinky, depraved, erotic, or a fetish, you will find it"
theflammabledouchimal: By the way, I heard that house shows have Morrison and Mcintyre teaming up to take on the team of Baretta/Croft, with Jericho
as special ref.
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wings76fan
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On the Eve whiff: I wish Alicia would have just laughed at it. That would have been much better than the falling down. Mistakes happen and as a
heel, it would have worked if she'd laughed at Eve, Eve get up and dropkick her "correctly" while Fox is laughing. Why can't Orton
grasp this?
I give it about a 2.2. The post-main event action was good. Heder was annoying. I've about had it with Mark Henry (or Khali) as the opponent
whenever the "I challenge anyone to come out and face me" line is thrown out.
As for "The Flame" nickname.... That seemed odd. I realize his name is the same as a fastball, but for some reason I couldn't help but think
there was some covert homosexual reference there. At least, I'm surprised D-X didnt' run with it.
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