deshorta
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Appreciate that, but if they win the Chamber they're 90% to be headlining WM anyhow.
I do know I'm showing slight irrationality, but it's just one of those little logic things that slightly bugs me about bookings.
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the goon
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I'm coming in kind of late here, and a lot of my own opinions have already been echoed, so I'll just say I liked last night's show
and give it a 3.1.
One thing I did want to touch on is the Michaels situation. I think the WWE has done a great job with it so far and there's any number of ways
they could go to set up Taker/Michaels II. While watching last night, I came up with a little fantasy booking for what they could do: First, have Edge
announce he is going to challenge the Undertaker at WrestleMania (which of course further infuriates Micheals). Then have Michaels somehow work his
way into the Smackdown EC match. At the PPV have it come down to Michaels, Jericho, and Taker. Michaels surprisingly teams up with Jericho to
eliminate Taker, leaving them as the last two wrestlers. Instead of fighting Jericho, Michaels walks out on the match, getting himself counted out and
thus awarding Jericho the world title. Now you have Jericho as champion, and Edge forced to wrestle him instead of Taker by default, and Michaels
showing that he's so obsessed with wrestling the Undertaker that he passed up a chance to win the world title in order to try and make the match
happen.
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LuckyLopez
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quote:
Originally posted by blackdragon
With the Divas, man I feel gay/racist for seeming to be the only guy here that is completely apathetic towards Maryse. It's like she's
pretty in that "she's on t.v. so she looks better than the girl in the next cubicle" but she does nothing for me the way
Velvet/Madison/Gail/Victoria/Alissa/Alicia/Beth/etc.
I was intrigued by her charisma for awhile but now I'm over it and with you. I think the move to RAW and live TV helped expose her many, many
flaws and now she's just on the same level as McCool to me. She's not unattractive or completely useless but she's not anything
really worth giving a crap about either.
I thought it was a solid show but nothing I really remember less than a day later. None of the matches were really in much doubt or THAT engaging,
just solid but forgettable fare. I don't really know what Dibiase has done to differentiate him from Rhodes but I haven't seen it. And
I'm kind of over Swagger as he's looked really sloppy to me for the last 6 months in that Carlito "maybe he's frustrated" way. Of
course I was never that into Swagger in the first place.
I think I'm definitely of the mind that Sheamus has surpassed Rey and Punk now as the weakest champion ever. Its made me manage to stop caring
about I guy I was marking out for 3 months ago.
Bret stuff was a big dud for me and I don't see it picking up with the Batista (and presumably Cena) involvement. One of the least interesting
ways they could have gone with this story for me.
So did they just forget about Punk and Gallows' title shot or did Shatner just fuck them over with Punk even registering a moment of
realization?
I thought Shatner was amusing and used pretty much to the exact right amount. That's 2 straight weeks of RAW hosts that were used well daring
to make a case for this not being the worst idea in the world, even if it still has nothing to do with wrestling or making me want to tune in next
week or buy a PPV.
2.5
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punkerhardcore
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I liked how Cole and Lawler wouldn't stop saying, "winning in the Elimination Chamber is the LAST chance any of these guys have in headlining
Wrestlemania!" You know, except for the fact that the champion will also need a challenger. It wouldn't have seemed so dumb if they'd
just said it once and forgotten about it, instead of repeating it all night.
[Edited on 2-2-2010 by punkerhardcore]
Is everyone mad here?
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FistHiccups
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quote:
Originally posted by deshorta
Anyone else think it's weird doing Chamber-qualification matches the day after the Rumble? You either last 20+ gruelling minutes in the rumble
to get a title shot.... or you wait a day later, win one match against Mark Henry, and you get a title match. For me it dampens the importance of the
Rumble.
I agree in principle, but title shots in wrestling are so arbitrary that you have to just abandon thought when it comes to them. Essentially,
there's no point in anyone getting too upset about losing a title or title shot because there'll be some fucking four-way or PPV qualifier
next week where they can get another shot. Orton being pissed at Legacy looks pretty weak because he's in the Elimination Chamber at the PPV now
just like he would've been if he'd beaten Sheamus anyway.
quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
I liked how Cole and Lawler wouldn't stop saying, "winning in the Elimination Chamber is the LAST chance any of these guys have in headlining
Wrestlemania!" You know, except for the fact that the champion will also need a challenger. It wouldn't have seemed so dumb if they'd
just said it once and forgotten about it, instead of repeating it all night.
But Edge will/might be facing the winner so it is their last guaranteed shot at headlining WrestleMania.
[Edited on 2-2-2010 by FistHiccups]
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gobbledygooker
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quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
I don't really know what Dibiase has done to differentiate him from Rhodes but I haven't seen it.
How about the fact that he doesn't have the look and physique of a six-year-old trying on his dad's wrestling clothes?
The show held my interest for the most part. Nothing much new to add that hasn't already been said.
I will go on record, as a Bret Hart ultra-mark, that I was a bit pissed to see him made to look like a bitch in his second consecutive appearance. I
know they're probably slow-burning it and Vince will get his come-uppance at some point but it still came off as a bit depressing and
mean-spirited as someone else pointed out earlier. I'm usually one to shy away from the whole "This is a shoot!" argument in an angle but the
fact that Vince even went so far as to spit in Bret's face, even if he did have Bret's full cooperation with the idea, makes me wonder if
Vince really does still have unresolved issues with the guy, even 12 years later.
Other than that, I thought the segment was great, if a bit long. I don't agree at all with those who are saying Bret was boring on the mic,
etc. I think he's done great in both of his appearances. But maybe that's just because I've been a lifelong fan of the guy and
have never gotten the argument that he has no charisma, can't cut a promo, etc.
I give the show a 2.8 which feels like is around what I've given it the last few weeks.
[Edited on 2-2-2010 by gobbledygooker]
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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LuckyLopez
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quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
How about the fact that he doesn't have the look and physique of a six-year-old trying on his dad's wrestling clothes?
Yeah, but then it amounts to Dibiase's greatest strength being that he's less "Well." I don't dislike Dibiase, I just don't
care about him. And while I do recognize the relevance of physique and it does affect me at times its not really something that elevates a guy to me.
But meh. I don't dislike him, so whatever.
Amusingly Bret Hart left RAW and had dinner with Jeremy Borash and TNA Officials. Here's JB looking looking 12.
[Edited on 2-2-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by FistHiccups
I agree in principle, but title shots in wrestling are so arbitrary that you have to just abandon thought when it comes to them.
That's why I like the idea of a ranking system. I hate how there are constantly matches that come out of nowhere, but suddenly the winner is a
#1 contender (granted, this is much worse in the tag and IC ranks than the heavyweight title).
How can the Rumble be such a big deal when the very next day 5 other guys get a title shot, with 5 more guys getting a title shot on Friday? And of
course, everyone in those qualifying matches was basically picked at random. At least with a ranking system, they'd have to "earn" their way
into a match, the matches wouldn't seem so random, and maybe the winners wouldn't be so anviliciously obvious (ok, yes they would).
And am I the only one who actually thinks Show legit knocked that ref out? He punched him right in the forehead.
EDIT: I also loved it during the HBK/Orton match when the idiot announcers talked about some history or reason they should hate each other, and
completely forgot to mention Orton punting HBK during his Legend Killer phase.
[Edited on 2-2-2010 by theflammablemanimal]
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DevilSoprano
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Here's the difference between the Rumble and getting a title shot at the Elimination Chamber. Winning the Rumble gets you a main event title
shot at WRESTLEMANIA. It's bigger than a title shot at the Elimination Chamber, and technichally, Edge has 2 months to prepare for 1 match and
now everyone else has to prepare for the Chamber and then prepare for Wrestlemania. It's a HUGE advantage to know you have a title shot 2 months
in advance.
ETA: The show was boring as fuck, but at least it wasn't offensively bad. 1.75.
[Edited on 2-2-2010 by DevilSoprano]
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atothej
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The other huge factor differentiating winning the Rumble and being in the EC is that the Rumble winner not only gets the prestige of main eventing
Wrestlemania, but they (generally) get a one-on-one shot at the title. That's much better than the 1-in-6 odds in the EC, especially if
you're the unlucky one who draws one of the first two EC slots. With both the prestige and odds advantage, it's clear that winning the
Rumble is the better option.
[Edited on 2-3-2010 by atothej]
Your momma's so fat, Dave Meltzer gave her struggling to put her jeans on in the morning five stars. -- FF, destroying Jeb, his momma, and
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williamssl
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Also I would venture to guess that in the real world, the payday for main eventing the biggest PPV of the year is significantly larger than being one
of 12 people in the 2 EC matches (or more if ECW does one), and that alone is reason enough to be happy with winning the Rumble and getting the WM
title shot.
Don't Mess With Texas
Hi ,awesome post! Good thing ive'd drop by this thread. Nice guide for newbies like me. Hope to see more posts soon. Thanks again!
Regards,
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DrBoz
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quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker re: Dibiase vs. Rhodes
How about the fact that he [Dibiase] doesn't have the look and physique of a six-year-old trying on his dad's wrestling clothes
[Rhodes]?
I totally don't understand this at all. Stats on wwe.com indicate Rhodes is 6'1" 223 while Dibiase is 6'3" 235. Look at pictures
of them together and they really don't look that much different. The only reason Rhodes looks weird is because he doesn't wear knee pads
(which I've been annoyed with since he debuted). Makes him look like a knock knee'd bimbo.
quote:
Originally posted by blackdragon
With the Divas, man I feel gay/racist for seeming to be the only guy here that is completely apathetic towards Maryse. It's like she's
pretty in that "she's on t.v. so she looks better than the girl in the next cubicle" but she does nothing for me the way
Velvet/Madison/Gail/Victoria/Alissa/Alicia/Beth/etc.
You're not the only one who feels that way about Maryse. Of course I'm gay, so yeah you should feel that way too. Like Lucky said, I
think her moving to RAW brings out some of her flaws (language issues particularly). Personally, the only thing she does that amuses me is the hand
flip, but because she tends to do it 900 times a match I'm pretty much annoyed by that too. She's certainly attractive, but I'm not
really a fan of women with the uber blonde hair, so that might factor into my apathy towards her as well.
"I guess my heaviest experience is gravity...keeps my feet down...it's like weighing me down...I can't get my arms up now...like my legs
fall...I'm falling down and I can't...it's making me heavier...I'm heavier...I can't move...Now I'm a dead dog in
water...I can't...I'm floating but I sink to the water...I'm a wet sandwich...wet with meat...I'm broken salami...tiny
mustaches are heavy...I'm falling...."
- Chester from Sifl and Olly
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theflammablemanimal
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Yes, but if you win the EC, then you're going to WM. The RR win is still much bigger but it does seem to take away the significance of the
loss.
8 years ago or so, it used to be that if you lost the Rumble, you were not getting a title shot and you were not headlining WM. Now, you can still win
the EC or just win whatever tourney they have the next month to crown the #1 contender for the belt Edge isn't going for.
So while winning the Rumble is still great, losing it isn't as significant as it was.
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atothej
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8 years ago, there was only one title, so that also renders your point moot.
Listen: 1-6 odds to win the EC is a lot worse a chance than getting the one on one match. Obviously, entry in the Rumble is worse odds, but the prize
for the Rumble is still a guaranteed headlining shot at Wrestlemania. Getting into the EC gives you worse odds at winning the title (1 in 6) than
facing the champ at WM (1:1 or 2:1 in triple threat situations). So, while initial odds of winning the Rumble are better, the payoff is that you get
a much greater chance of eventually winning the title than if you are one of the challengers in the EC.
I don't know how to clear this up any further; and I don't see how having the EC matches takes the luster off the Rumble win. The Rumble
prize is getting to be in the main match at the biggest PPV with a very good chance to win the title; the EC is a one in six chance to possibly win
the title and then go on to headline.
Your momma's so fat, Dave Meltzer gave her struggling to put her jeans on in the morning five stars. -- FF, destroying Jeb, his momma, and
Meltzer in one fell swoop.
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S Kid J E T S 48
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quote:
Originally posted by atothej
8 years ago, there was only one title, so that also renders your point moot.
Listen: 1-6 odds to win the EC is a lot worse a chance than getting the one on one match. Obviously, entry in the Rumble is worse odds, but the prize
for the Rumble is still a guaranteed headlining shot at Wrestlemania. Getting into the EC gives you worse odds at winning the title (1 in 6) than
facing the champ at WM (1:1 or 2:1 in triple threat situations). So, while initial odds of winning the Rumble are better, the payoff is that you get
a much greater chance of eventually winning the title than if you are one of the challengers in the EC.
I don't know how to clear this up any further; and I don't see how having the EC matches takes the luster off the Rumble win. The Rumble
prize is getting to be in the main match at the biggest PPV with a very good chance to win the title; the EC is a one in six chance to possibly win
the title and then go on to headline.
It's what I was saying too. There's 11 PPV's per year, but there's only one Wrestlemania. Not only are you guarenteed a main
event title match there that will be better than a 1/6 chance in an EC, but you also get to pick the champion you are going to face, another
advantage.
Considering the influx of title shots and #1 contenderships in wrestling these days, this evolution of the Road to Wrestlemania isn't nearly as
bad as it could be and really doesn't hurt the prestige of winning the Royal Rumble.
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theflammablemanimal
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Look, the Rumble is still awesome and WM is still the show and EC is 1-6 odds. Understood.
But I still think the EC takes away a little of the Rumble's luster and that can be illustrated by the HBK/Taker angle.
3 years ago, before they introduced the EC PPV, there was no way that HHH could show up on RAW the next night and tell HBK, "Hey, no big deal that
you lost. Win tonight and you can still be at WM." They sold the Rumble as HBK's only shot, then made a big deal about how his loss eliminated
any chance to face Taker, but Friday night he (hopefully) gets another shot. And if that happens, his Rumble loss is no longer a big deal.
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atothej
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No, it's still a big deal. Why? Because he has to win a qualifier, then beat 5 other guys in the match. And that's assuming that he
gets a shot to qualify for SD's EC. Moreover, he didn't really care about being in the Raw EC match, because it wouldn't get him
his final goal: facing the Undertaker, one on one, at Wrestlemania. Winning the Rumble gives him exactly what he wants, possibly getting in the EC
does not. Getting in the Raw EC doesn't get him what he wants at all.
Put succinctly: winning the Rumble would get Shawn what he wants (assuming Taker retained until WM), the other paths are much longer shots.
[Edited on 2-3-2010 by atothej]
Your momma's so fat, Dave Meltzer gave her struggling to put her jeans on in the morning five stars. -- FF, destroying Jeb, his momma, and
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kiez
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Not that it matters now, but Maryse Said:
�Just want to let you know that, at the end, I will win the championship.�
Apparently...
We fight like men, but bitch like women.
John "Realest of the Real" "Thug Life" "True Soldier" "Stone Rock-a-Mania" Cena -BlackDragon
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deshorta
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quote:
Originally posted by kiez
Not that it matters now, but Maryse Said:
�Just want to let you know that, at the end, I will win the championship.�
Apparently...
So 10% of the audience bothered looking that up or reading it on a forum and see it may make a little sense, the other 90% are wondering why the feck
Maryse has changed character.
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LuckyLopez
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Really? Because I just assumed she was being disingenuous without having any idea what she was saying in French (and not caring to look it up,
because sure enough it wasn't at all interesting or witty).
Is 90% of the audience really too stupid to get "the heel is full of it"?
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Psycho Penguin
Creepy Little Bastard
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When was the last time the Rumble winner guaranteed went to WM without any controversy or having to face someone for the title shot? I guess
Undertaker did, but usually there's a #1 contendership match at No Way Out anyways. Hell, 2008 had TWO matches for #1 contendership. So
I'm not buying the 'EC kills the Rumble concept dead' because the idea of there being a PPV between Rumble and WM and knowing the
Rumble winner can lose his shot (HHH did in 2002 but won the rematch on RAW) also diluted the point a bit.
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gobbledygooker
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Originally posted by DrBoz
quote:
I totally don't understand this at all. Stats on wwe.com indicate Rhodes is 6'1" 223 while Dibiase is 6'3" 235. Look at pictures
of them together and they really don't look that much different. The only reason Rhodes looks weird is because he doesn't wear knee pads
(which I've been annoyed with since he debuted). Makes him look like a knock knee'd bimbo.
I should start putting a disclaimer at the front of my posts saying not to pay attention to any comments I make about Cody Rhodes due to my blinding
and undying hatred of him.
That said, I just cannot see Dibiase only being 12 pounds heavier than Rhodes. Rhodes is a pipsqueak. I can't see how nobody else notices the
inherent ridiculousness of seeing, say, HHH sell for Cody's offense. I guess it's the "Spike Dudley" dynamic.
I do like your description of him as a knock-kneed bimbo though, Boz.
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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theflammablemanimal
Man of a Thousand Holds
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quote:
Originally posted by DrBoz
I totally don't understand this at all. Stats on wwe.com indicate Rhodes is 6'1" 223 while Dibiase is 6'3" 235. Look at pictures
of them together and they really don't look that much different.
WWE.come would never lie! Looking at them side by side in the ring, Cody Rhodes always looks way smaller and weaker. I wouldn't call him girly,
cuz he is ripped, but he's still a tiny dude (for a wrestler).
The only time he looks big is when he wrestles Bourne.
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Psycho Penguin
Creepy Little Bastard
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He just needs to get more tan really.
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gobbledygooker
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Thanks for providing me with my new wallpaper!
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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