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rOOkie
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Black Ballin HOF
Although the Million Dollar Man is in good standing with the WWE it dosen't seem like the other people in the HOF 2010 class played well in the
sand box.
New Japan had a deal with WCW at the beginning of the Nitro, Monday Night Wars and Wendy has not been heard from since the Rock N Wrestling era of
Hulkamania...
Rumor of Wendy Richter being the first wrestler screwed by Vince has been an urban legned forever. Din't Vince have the Spider Lady roll her up
for a win and she was never heard from again?
This leads me to believe that this year's big name may be a big person that has been black balled...
Randy Savage or the Ultimate Warrior?
Both could go in or maybe Bruno Sammartino?
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LuckyLopez
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Yes, Wendi Richter was victim of the "Original Screwjob" which actually worked pretty much the same way that the Montreal Screwjob did. Richter was
wrestling a routine match against a masked opponent named Spider-Lady. In the middle of the match she was rolled up for a 3 count that was clearly a
1 but the ref called the match and rewarded Spider-Lady the title. Richter flipped, unmasked her opponent to reveal Moolah, lost it, and was never
seen in WWE again.
Its not an urban legend, its on tape. Vince is a dirtbag.
http://wrestlinggonewrong.com/video/original_screwjob.html
The problem with your theory is that the weird theme of this year's WM seems to be people Vince screwed over. The guys like Savage and Bruno
are presumably guys who pissed Vince off, not the other way around.
[Edited on 2-23-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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Kramer840
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well, we all know savage has been blackballed because he used to take trips up stephanie's hershey highway. urban legend, my ass.
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Martman
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More like, Stephanie's ass.....
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OORick
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Making peace with Bret after the Montreal Screwjob *and* inducting Richter into the HoF after the Spiderlady Screwjob?
Maybe there *is* a trend...
We'll only know for sure if this is also the year Bob Backlund gets inducted into the HoF. Time may not heal all wounds, but this could be the
year that it heals the ones where somebody lost a title in an unexpected manner on Vince's watch.
[For those unawares, there's a popular half-truth out there regarding Backlund's departure from the WWF in 1983... and the fact that
Arnold Skaaland is in the HoF while Backlund isn't could be seen as analogous to a scenario in which Earl Hebner was in the HoF while Bret Hart
wasn't.]
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
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LuckyLopez
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I thought it was more or less widely accepted that while Backlund wasn't happy about the title loss he did agree to it at the last moment with
the towel being the compromise to help him save face. Either way even if Vince screwed Backlund it would seem that they made peace with that back in
the '90s when they replicated the angle with Bret and Owen.
I'm a nitpicky bastard.
Interestingly enough, doesn't Inoki have his own WWF controversy? Doesn't he have a run with the WWF title that WWE refuses to
acknowledge?
EDIT: AH-HA!
quote:
On November 30, 1979, Inoki defeated then WWF Champion Bob Backlund in Tokushima, Japan but, in a re-match on December 6, Backlund pinned
Inoki. WWF president, Hisashi Shinma, however, declared the match a no-contest due to interference from Tiger Jeet Singh, and Inoki still held the
title. Inoki refused the title on the same day and it was declared vacant. Backlund later defeated Bobby Duncum in a Texas Death match to regain the
title on December 12. As Inoki refused the title his reign is not included nor is it recognized by WWE in its official history and Backlund is
recognized as having one reign from 1978�1983.
PATTERN CONTINUED!
[Edited on 2-23-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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S Kid J E T S 48
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I guess Sable will be inducted next since she was screwed quite bad too.
Small enough to keep the NSFW down:
McMahon reversed the decision the next night on Raw because it wasn't technically a bikini. MCMAHON SCREWS ANOTHER WRESTLER!
[Edited on 2-23-2010 by S Kid J E T S 48]
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OORick
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The "urban legend" version of the Backlund title loss is generally debunked... it's not like Bob went into that match against the Iron Sheik
thinking he'd win, and then Skaaland threw in the towel to create a totally unplanned screwjob. Some like to stick to that version, though....
and no matter which version you believe, it's still damned odd that Skaaland (a non-descript wrestler/manager, but prolific backstage croney) is
in the WWE Hall of Fame, while Backlund remains absent.
The version of the Backlund story I've decided sounds like the most reasonable and realistic one:
(1) On the heels of "Rocky III," Vince decided to bet the farm on Hulk Hogan.
(2) Vince's current champ was clean-cut babyface Bob Backlund, whose popularity was in massive decline.
(3) Vince asked Backlund to dye his hair black and turn heel, and drop the title to Hogan after a brief feud.
(4) Backlund refused to turn heel.
(5) Vince told Backlund he'd have to lose the title to some other heel, because Hogan WAS gonna be the champ, no matter what. That heel was the
Iron Sheik.
(6) Backlund agreed to do as told, but with the understanding that he'd stay on with the company and get a series of rematches for "his" title
and stay a top star, and then after Sheik dropped the title to Hogan, Backlund would get to decisively "win" an extended feud over the Sheik to
re-establish himelf as a top pure-as-the-driven-snow amatuer rasslin' howdy doody babyface Backlund envisioned himself as.
(7) Vince said "OK, sure [snicker snicker snicker]."
(8) Backlund and Sheik went out to have their match, with Backlund expecting to be made to look good and make a valiant, if losing, effort.
(9) Just to be safe, Vince had Skaaland (Backlund's manager and old tymey backstage stooge for both Vince and Vince's dad before him) in
the corner. Instead of letting Backlund have the match he was hoping for, Skaaland pre-maturely threw in the towel first chance he got to make SHEIK
and his Camel Clutch look good.
(10) Instead of giving Backlund his planned rematches, Vince also declared that Hogan would beat Sheik at the very next MSG show in 3 weeks.
(11) Backlund was furious about this, and assumed he also wouldn't be getting his "win" over the Sheik in any post-title change feud, so he
said "Fuck you, Vince," and quit. Vince tried to bury Backlund as much as possible on the way out.
(12) Ironically enough, Backlund came back in 1994, gave in to Vince's demands, and turned heel. He also got a second WWF Title reign out of it.
And it was probably the closest to "entertaining" that howdy doody ever was...
So: it wasn't a screwjob in the sense that Backlund didn't know he was losing the strap.... but it was shifty in the sense that certain
promises about HOW he'd lose and how he'd get to follow-up on that loss were made in bad faith. Vince got exactly what he wanted; Backlund
got shafted.
And good find on the Inoki thing. I had no idea; I thought that sort of thing was only common with the NWA belt in the 70s/80s, but not so much with
the (W)WWF title... the trend does, indeed, continue for 2010's HoF/WM Weekend...
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
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blackdragon
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I heard a much less controversial but sort of insane reason Backlunds not in: because he's still active and wants one last run with WWE before
he considers himself eligible for enshrinement.
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Stu
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Maybe Vince has Grapefruit Cancer (God forbid) and is trying to make amends before he pops off.
[Edited on 23-2-10 by Stu]
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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quote:
Ultimate Warrior has turned down WWE's offer to be inducted into this year's Hall of Fame class, reports PWInsider.com.
Reportedly, both sides could not come to terms on money. For those curious, WWE only pays $5,000 to those being inducted into the Hall of Fame.
I think there is enough evidence to see a pattern forming here. Didn't HTM also supposedly turn down the invite?
(also is there reason why my formatting buttons don't work? Is it a site bug or maybe a firefox issue?)
[Edited on 2-23-2010 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
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Stu
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Formatting buttons don't work round here period.
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LuckyLopez
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You're right. Good call. Honkey Tonk Man and Ultimate Warrior have both been mentioned about the Hall of Fame. And of course we're all
speculating on Stu and Owen Hart, guys fans have long thought deserved to be honored but weren't because of WWE's issues with Bret and the
lawsuit over Owen's death.
I can't think of any real issue with Dibiase. He left WWF for WCW during the height of the nWo rise but he's worked for WWE for years
before now so they're long over anything there. The only thing I can think is that fans have long thought Dibiase should be in so while there
may not be some direct slight Vince could make up for there is arguably a general idea of doing something they should have done awhile ago.
The more you think about the more it really does feel like Vince found God or is getting his ducks in a row righting old wrongs. I think we're
still a Lex Luger or Shane Douglas away from proving it but I'm now officially interested in the next Hall of Fame inductee.
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nOOb
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Bob Backlund isn't already in the HOF? I mean, I don't remember/wasn't born yet for his older stuff, but I remember his 90's
stuff, and, combine that with the strength of his 80's stuff, I can't understand why he wasn't inducted last year.
Well actually yeah I can: he is batshit crazy and probably thinks there's some sort of eligibility rules or something like that. But he is
still on good enough terms with WWE that they did a "Where are they now?" featurette on him a few months back on their website. Come to think of
it, they just did one on Lex Luger a few months back too. Hmmmm....
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DevilSoprano
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Indirectly, Dibiase got screwed out of his title run because of Honky Tonk Man. When HTM refused to job to Savage sometime between Mania 3 and 4,
Vince changed plans and gave Savage the win for the big belt at WM IV instead of the planned Dibiase win. So, in theory Dibiase was screwed out of a
title run as well, but not so much because Vince wanted to screw him like he did Hart, Richter, and Backlund but because HTM for some reason had
control over who and when he lost his IC belt.
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whyme
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I went to a church conference that was hosted by the Million Dollar Man a few years back.
He is very much into religion and spreading the word now and it was great listening to him speak.
At the halfway point we took a break, this thing went 4 hours, and he talked and signed autographs.
I asked him if he was upset about not being in the WWE Hall of Fame and he just smiled and showed me a ring on his finger.
Turns out it was from the Official Wrestling Hall of Fame and he held that with more regard then the WWE's. Told me that he knows Vince has a
list and that he was on it but he wasn't as high as some of the others who have already gotten in.
I suppose his name finally made it up on the list and that's why he is going in now.
He is a really genuine good guy now after his bad days are behind him and said he was proud of Ted Jr.. Then he told us to keep an eye on Teddy
because he would make it to the WWE one day. Looks like he was right!
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theflammablemanimal
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Wait, there's an official wrestling HOF? Is that what Hogan was talking about on TNA because I thought it was weird he mentioned the WWE HOF
(although it makes sense because it's not like anyone doesn't know about him and WWE).
I know Shane Douglas carried ECW for years, but is that really worth being in the WWE HOF? It'd be great to see all the young'uns
wondering why a guy is in the HOF when WWE's booked it so that he's on the same level as Zeke, Chavo and Mark Henry.
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LuckyLopez
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I only mentioned Douglas as one of the first names that came to mind of people Vince blackballed. I could have said Jeff Jarrett but that seemed like
a more naturally flawed idea.
No, while I could maybe see an argument for Douglas based on his value to ECW and the game changing NWA incident in the end if you're going to
start letting it dudes who had some decent success in regional or cult feds but never much major national success there's better guys than
Douglas. Purely in ECW I think you'd have to get Heyman in there first.
There is a Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame Dibiase is a member of. Its not "official" because what the hell could make it official? There's no
governing body of wrestling. I have no idea who runs it or what the criteria is or how widely it is accepted, but the list of inductees is a pretty
wide group. And the group of voters for 2010 include Dibiase, Nick Bockwinkel, Jack Brisco (or did, I guess), Pat Patterson, Jim Cornette, Dory Funk,
Paul Orndorf, Danny Hodge, Mike Tenay, and others that would seem to legitimize it from a cultural standpoint. And I doubt it takes much convincing
why wrestlers would see this as more legitimate than Vince's.
http://www.pwhf.org/
Dibiase's also in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame run by Dave Meltzer. There's also an NWA Hall of Fame. But no, I believe Hogan was
specifically referring to the WWE Hall of Fame, which really isn't that strange at all because TNA has never been shy about acknowledging
WWE's natural place in the wrestling industry.
[Edited on 2-24-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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Stu
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Yeah, smaller promotions always reference the bigger ones, but not usually vice versa. The other day I was looking at an indy british fed's site
and they had a youtube vid of a skit where one of the managers boats about representing Sheamus and Drew MacIntyre before their current success as
proof that he knows what he's doing.
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G-Spot
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
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Didn't HTM also supposedly turn down the invite?
Yep. He stated it was because he makes too much money doing convention signings and stuff, and the "no compete clause" he would have to sign, would
take that away from him.
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2010/02/01/honky-tonk-man-makes-his-wizard/#more-9435
[Edited on 2-24-2010 by G-Spot]
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RockyTopWrestling
rOOkie
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I did notice when Jerry Lawler signed his autograph he wrote "WWE HOF 07" on every autograph. Jimmy Snuka did not and even did a promo picture for
my company, but said I could only post it on my site and could not sell it like the other legends (Jake Roberts, Jimmy Valiant, etc..) have allowed us
to do.
That would really suck if they have to sign part of their name away to become a hall of fame member.
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theflammablemanimal
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Since WWE does induct guys like Inoki who really have nothing to do with WWE, I wonder if we'll see situations 20 years down the line where they
induct guys with major TNA backgrounds. Like say if AJ comes over if 5 years and just has a decent 3 year WWE run, maybe a WWE title or 2, would that
be enough to put him in the hall and would they recognize his TNA past?
I'm beginning to realize this is a dumb question and would probably only happen if TNA was out of business or had become the WWE D-show?
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RockyTopWrestling
rOOkie
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Since WWE does induct guys like Inoki who really have nothing to do with WWE, I wonder if we'll see situations 20 years down the line where they
induct guys with major TNA backgrounds. Like say if AJ comes over if 5 years and just has a decent 3 year WWE run, maybe a WWE title or 2, would that
be enough to put him in the hall and would they recognize his TNA past?
I do not think that is a dumb question. I think WWE will assume the role as Pro Wrestling's only link to it's roots. Vince Jr is from a
wrestling background, and as he grow he will still hold on to what his father and so many other men promoted.
You see shows that are NWA legend shows, or my parent company CWA (championshipwrestlingtv.com) that brought back Brian Logan to defeat Larry Z for
the AWA title belt... It is really the WWE that has all the power to make the legends into "immortals" of the sport by putting them in their hall of
fame.
WWE has done a good job with being able to seperate the WWE Hall of Fame with a Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame with people like Verge Gagne, Dusty Rhodes,
and the Blackjacks; they truely are making it a real Hall of Fame, not just a WWE product, although it still seems like a popularity contest with a
theme each year.
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nOOb
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Well, here's a more timeframe-friendly question: let's say Sting leaves TNA in the next year or two. When he leaves TNA, does WWE make
him show up on WWE TV before they would induct him in the HOF, or would they wait until they announced his induction to bring him on? Or would they
just induct him with no TV appearance required?
Cause, really, Sting is going into at least one wrestling HOF. And Vince being a businessman, I could see his reasons for inducting him into the WWE
HOF as well as making him wrestle on air for a year or so with WWE before doing so.
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denverpunk
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quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
I know Shane Douglas carried ECW for years, but is that really worth being in the WWE HOF? It'd be great to see all the young'uns
wondering why a guy is in the HOF when WWE's booked it so that he's on the same level as Zeke, Chavo and Mark Henry.
Hey, if Koko B. Ware can get in, anyone can get in. I'd say Shane's legacy is a hell of a lot higher than his, despite his short stint in
WWE.
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