Red Irts
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WWE ban chairshots to the head
http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1268836995.php?style=dark
Okaaaaaaaay. So do they also ban particularly hard Cena-fake punches to the head or instruct Orton not to punt too hard?
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In before the Eddie Guerrero jokes...
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G-B
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Seems like Chris Nowinski (I'm 100% positive I spelt dat rong) and his work on concussions may be impactful afterall.
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LuckyLopez
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This is kind of old news, isn't it? And its kind of a universal industry move. TNA's supposedly banned them as well and when Jesse Neal
took an unprotected chair shot a few months back he was reportedly chewed out for it.
Its an uncharacteristically responsible thing for wrestling to do and in response I'll do my best to get over some less than realistic spots
like a few weeks back when Angle knocked Kennedy out with a chair shot to the back in what looked like a "imagine a head shot" spot to me.
I'm glad to see WWE isn't taking the "NYAH NYAH NYAH WE CAN'T HEAR YOU!" stance privately that they're taking publicly as
far as concussions go.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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What happens when Linda McMahon loses her Senate bid?
(On a side she's polling ahead for the first time in the GOP primary. Though head-to-head against Democrat Dick Blumenthal she's down by
40 points. But winning the GOP primary would be a big step for her.)
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
This is kind of old news, isn't it? And its kind of a universal industry move. TNA's supposedly banned them as well and when Jesse Neal
took an unprotected chair shot a few months back he was reportedly chewed out for it.
I know he should have put his hands up, but shouldn't the chair swinger have gotten chewed out?
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LuckyLopez
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I guess it depends on the situation. If the script said "chair shot" and Hernandez opted to do a head shot, then yeah, I guess he has the blame.
But if the script was "head shot" and the plan was for Neal to protect himself but he didn't because he wanted it to look bad ass (which it
did, but that was the story) then I guess its his fault. You can then question the logic of doing a protected chair shot but there's degrees of
responsibility, I guess.
If anything I suspect its situations like that which lead to Angle's back chair shot where TNA says "Ok, no trusting the overgrown children to
do the smart thing, just no chair shots, period." Of course I'm just theorizing much of this.
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folby
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quote:
Originally posted by Red Irts
http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1268836995.php?style=dark
Okaaaaaaaay. So do they also ban particularly hard Cena-fake punches to the head or instruct Orton not to punt too hard?
no because fists and
feet don't weigh as much of a chair and generally are not swung with nearly as much force and (at least in the WWE) don't generally cause
concussions
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G-B
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I caught the end of Impact Monday night, and judging by what I saw, TNA is still allowing weak chair shots. Very weak. Weak enough to make Ric Flair
look like a washed up old man.
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theflammablemanimal
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I want to see Ric Flair in Bischoff's office, while Bischoff is on the phone saying "No, I'm not going to stop the matches because
someone's bleeding. This isn't the WNBA!"
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The conspiracy theorists on some of the other boards are saying that vicious head shots (and all the rest of the associated non-PG13 goodness) will
return as soon as Linda is eliminated from the Senate race, and that WWE's basically doing all of this just so the highly questionable
reputation of the wrasslin' biz can't be used against her during the primary selection process. As much as I usually hate the conspiracist
mindset, I can see where it's very easy to go into black helicopter/ tinhatter mode when dealing with people as inherently sleazy as the
McMahons. And it would have been more convincing as a workers-safety promotion on WWE's behalf if they'd put up the ban immediately after
the Benoit concussion issues became public knowledge. Trouble it, they seemed to have as much of a problem at the Benoit moment at admitting they have
as much of a concussion/overall injury problem as they do a steroid problem.
I'm not sure which argument I agree with. While there's nothing more spectacular than a perfect head-shot that nukes someone and/or draws
blood, I'm not exactly comfortable with the possibility that, as a consumer, a faux-fighting performer is getting turned into a mental
vegetable for the dubious sake of my entertainment. I'd like to be able to deny the "watering-down the product even more" argument but given
that they've already gotten rid of so much of the high-risk element already, it might not sound to convincing.
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Biff_Manly
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I'd bet the totally banning of all chair shots to the head is more due to an insurance company raising a rate than it is to anything to do with
the safety of WWE employees.
There is a whole wide range of chairs shots in the wrestling universe. We've all seen crappy aluminum chairs that bend easily, stiff plastic,
hard chairs that padded well, etc. It also matters who is throwing the shot. Hogan has never been able to swing a chair to save his life. Watching The
Rock tee off on Foley over and over is still totally scary.
The idea that banning chair shots is going to lower concussions doesn't really make much sense when you consider that there are other things
lying around to hit people with and in the WWE it seems to me the favorite foreign object is a title belt anyway.
One more thing, wasn't Bret taken out by a kick to the head by Goldberg? Like I said, this has the stink of an insurance thing and not an actual
wellness plan.
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nilesanderson
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Obviously all the moves mentioned have the risk of concussion attached to them if done incorrectly. The thing with chair shots to the head is that
when you are swinging a chair from over your head and smashing it down on someone else's, the velocity is much greater than if you take a title
belt to someone's face. Plus a title belt shot to the head would be easier to convincingly fake than a chair shot.
Since I started watching wrestling again last year, I just came to realization recently that I haven't seen many super-bloody matches. And
honestly, I don't really miss them. I like it when it comes out every once in a while (Batista vs Kingston is a perfect example of this) but I
find grotesque blade jobs don't really whet my whistle the way they used to. I like good in-ring storytelling. You don't really need
tonnes of bloody matches and chair shots to the head to be able to pull that off.
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FWIW, Deadspin is speculating that this is all for Linda's
Senate run, which is something I'm a bit inclined to agree with.
quote:
Thankfully, the new regulations do not cover 2x4s, coconuts, shillelaghs, trash cans, ladders, mannequin heads, or Singapore canes.
Heh.
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Biff_Manly
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I wasn't equating a shot to the head with a title belt with a chair shot. Actually the title belt to the head is one of the weaker looking
things to be hit in the head with. I meant that the WWE really hasn't been in the chair shot business in a while. Even the TLC matches recently
were light on the C if memory serves right. Probably because it is hard to throw anything less than a pg-13 on an unobstructed shot to the face.
But we'd have to ask Kelly Kelly about that.
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Psycho Penguin
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I don't get this for two reasons.
1. Why would a wrestler WANT to take a chair shot to the head to begin with? I can imagine someone like Foley or a guy like, for example, Morrison,
who is close to breaking into the main event wanting to take one to 'prove' himself in some weird way, but why would a main eventer want
to? And no, I don't mean it's a lack of effort, it's more a safety issue and 'why bother?' kind of attitude. And I think
chair shots should really be used solely for main eventers anyways. So there's no purpose for them.
2. Why would this affect Linda's campaign at all? They allow chairshots for decades and suddenly she's running for Senate and they stop it
- don't you think that could possibly HURT her campaign if anything, because it just looks like pandering and would bring up 'why not do
this after one of your best and most liked wrestlers killed his family and himself and was in part possibly related to chair shots to the head, but do
it when you want to run for senate?'
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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Call me cynical, but I think the move to PG was all due to Linda's political aspirations.
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
I think chair shots should really be used solely for main eventers anyways.
Do you mean solely for main eventers using on midcarders?
Because when Austin returned and blasted everyone in the ring (Hardyz, DX) with chairshots, that did a great job of quickly reestablishing his
character and launching his new angle.
I don't see why chairshots would only be used on main eventers, who, for example, are not in MITB which is basically a TLC match (C stands for
chair).
People take unprotected chairshots to make things look good. Protected chair shots are quickly forgotten. But Rock blasting Foley, Rock blasting
Shamrock, Hardyz blasting Brock, Taker blasting HBK, HHH blasting Foley, standout and are remembered for much longer.
(I'm only stating this as fact, not because I think unprotected chairshots should not be banned.)
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Psycho Penguin
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MITB is not a chair match, it's a ladder match. You can do plenty of crazy shit without putting a chair to the back of your head.
I don't think anyone should be doing chair shots to the head and I think chair shots in general should be special. Since the WWE doesn't
do good midcard feuds any more with rare exceptions, it should be saved for the 5-month long main event feuds they run nowadays.
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
You can do plenty of crazy shit without putting a chair to the back of your head.
Duh. However, watch the MITB matches and you'll notice a lot of chairshots. For example, just off the top of my head, Edge won the first MITB
with a chairshot.
Although I wasn't limiting the definition of chairshots to head shots, as it appears you were.
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williamssl
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This doesn't bode well for the TLC PPV. Maybe it will just become TL
[Edited on 3-19-2010 by williamssl]
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quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
MITB is not a chair match, it's a ladder match. You can do plenty of crazy shit without putting a chair to the back of your head.
The Dudleys, Hardys, and Edge & Christian had a ladder match once that wasn't a TLC match. You know what happened? They brought tables and
chairs into the mix half way through and turned it into the first ever TLC match. Just because MitB is a Ladder match doesn't mean it
can't become a TLC match, especially with Christian in it.
I personally miss a good chair to the head. It always gave the match that heightened sense of finality. Or at least it did until everyone and their
rabbi started kicking out of them. But, I can see why WWE went that route. I mean, if *I* employed that many people that couldn't do their moves
correctly, there's no way in hell I'd let them swing a chair at another persons head.
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