DevilSoprano
The Rowdy One  
Posts 2840
Registered 11-16-2002 Member Is OnlineMood:
|
| posted on 4-20-2010 at 11:53 PM |
|
|
As long as TNA does this for all of their world title face wins, I'm completely okay with it. Hell, if they want to do it for their heel wins
too, that's fine. Winning the World Title should be a big deal and a huge celebration. Heel or Face.
With regards to the specific show, it was almost perfect. 2 great matches with RVD, an awesome comeback for old-school Joe. A good as can be Knockouts
match which includes NotLacey. The one fault with the show is this push of Terry. He's as bad as Chris Masters or any muscle-bound freak that
WWE is known to push. The one hope of him getting involved against Team Flair is it "could" lead to a Global Title win for Wolfe and I'd be
totally okay with that.
4.5
|
|
|
Shastar
Showstopper 
Posts 842
Registered 1-5-2002 Location VB, VA Member Is Offline Mood: tired
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 12:00 AM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Columbo
WWE reject as champ= bush league.
Is there a statute of limitations on how long someone can be considered a �WWE Reject?� I mean, RVD was gone from the WWE for 2 and a half years
before showing up in TNA, during which time he did a lot of work on the indy circuit.
Also, if a wrestler leaves WWE on their own choosing, can you still really call them a �WWE Reject?� Let�s take arguably the 4 biggest guys to make
the jump from WWE to TNA in recent years: Kurt Angle, Christian, Booker T, and RVD.
Kurt Angle: Did not want to go to rehab as dictated by WWE, so he asked for his release.
Booker T: Was suspended during the signature pharmacy scandal, asked for his release.
Christian: Contract expired, Didn�t want the lowball offer that Johnny Ace gave him, left.
RVD: Left WWE on his own when his wife came down with cancer. Bombed around in Mexico, Japan, and the indy�s for a couple years, THEN came to TNA.
I would hardly call any of these guys �Rejects.� It�s not like these guys are Shannon Moore, Orlando Jordan, Nash, or Pope Dinero. They weren�t fired
because WWE had nothing to do with them. WWE was still willing to work with them, but they left for all of their own reasons and came to TNA because
they felt the opportunities were better there, not because, �Oh well, I guess I�ll go see if the other company has a spot for me.�
Long story short (too late), I just don�t think it�s fair to call people like RVD, angle, etc. �WWE Rejects.� They are talented, known names that
draw, and TNA would be crazy NOT to push them.
|
|
|
LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW 
Posts 11911
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is OnlineMood:
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 12:37 AM |
|
|
"WWE Rejects" is a moronic term in any usage. Its simple implication is that that if WWE doesn't deem you worthy of employment then you
aren't any good. Its a nonsensical WWE mark idea that presumes WWE is infallible and can't make mistakes and overlook talent or just have
a fill of talent and have to let others go. Even without any cynical view of WWE's hiring practices or who they tend to book its still a stupid
notion because ANY company and ANY booker is capable of missing talent and EVERY company and EVERY booker has his share of misused talents, released
future stars, and poor choices in who to push.
Its of course extra stupid for a guy like Rob Van Dam because WWE didn't even "reject" him but rather he willingly left and turned down
multiple contracts that we know of. But its a stupid notion for Matt Morgan, D'Angelo Dinero, and The Beautiful People as well because instead
of judging them on what they actually bring to the table you're being a retarded sheep and judging them on WWE and Vince McMahon's opinion
of them.
That being said, Columbo was just being sarcastic. But since you opted to analyze the term I thought we could save a lot of time by simply pointing
out how inherently worthless the term is in any usage. Next time? Why wrestling fan's usage of "bush league" is a nonsensical term because
its rooted in the misplaced usage of the term as "beneath WWE" when in fact "average" is well below WWE and WWE's production and
presentation is simply at the extreme end of the scale and thus not logical to use as a bar.
Vote in the 12 Pack!
|
|
|
theflammablemanimal
Man of a Thousand Holds
Posts 1743
Registered 9-2-2008 Member Is Offline Mood: missing his ava
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 12:46 AM |
|
|
EDIT: Deleted for not fully reading Lucky's post.
[Edited on 4-20-2010 by theflammablemanimal]
|
|
|
Wickedfrost
I LOVE RVD 
Posts 314
Registered 2-14-2006 Member Is Offline Mood: Big Sexy
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 03:36 PM |
|
|
Any lesbians on that roster? Not that it matters. I'm just looking for an excuse to say
BUSH LEAGUE
Stay wet my friends.
|
|
|
drmuerto
Showstopper 
Posts 863
Registered 11-17-2005 Location NYC Member Is Offline Mood: PhDeceased
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 04:28 PM |
|
|
Steve Austin= WCW Reject
WCW Reject as champion= Bush League
Stone Cold Steve Austin's beer drinking= Anheuser- BUSCH LEAGUE
|
|
|
theflammablemanimal
Man of a Thousand Holds
Posts 1743
Registered 9-2-2008 Member Is Offline Mood: missing his ava
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 04:56 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Wickedfrost
Any lesbians on that roster?
Hopefully Velvet and Ms Tessmacher.
|
|
|
blackdragon
The Great One 
Posts 3443
Registered 11-9-2003 Member Is Offline Mood: Awesome
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 06:33 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
Hopefully Velvet and Ms Tessmacher.
Why would you say such a horrible thing?
|
|
|
theflammablemanimal
Man of a Thousand Holds
Posts 1743
Registered 9-2-2008 Member Is Offline Mood: missing his ava
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 07:29 PM |
|
|
Well, the odds of me getting with them is exponentially lower than the odds of someone getting their hands on a bootleg tape of them getting drunk and
wandering into the showers together. Therefore, better if they're lesbians.
Sorry Hurricane. (Or actually, you're welcome Hurricane)
|
|
|
DKBroiler
SpeciASSl CUMedian 
Posts 391
Registered 1-25-2008 Location Exit 8 off Rt 42, New Jersey Member Is Offline Mood: Skip Baylessish
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 07:57 PM |
|
|
Impact dragged in some parts but the good clearly outweighed the bad. The RVD-Hardy match was one of the better free matches in a while and RVD-AJ,
while a tad short, was also good and clearly surprising. Give them 30 days to build to the next PPV and then let them go for 20+ minutes at said PPV
and I know I'll be on board.
Also, while I understand that the comment about being a WWE reject was said in fun I would like to point 1 thing out.
John Cena's single most memorable match ever was a loss to RVD.
Overall Score: 4:20 Clearly
[Edited on 4-21-2010 by DKBroiler]
The world no longer moves when Chuck Norris does push-ups because Tim Tebow pushes back.
|
|
|
theflammablemanimal
Man of a Thousand Holds
Posts 1743
Registered 9-2-2008 Member Is Offline Mood: missing his ava
|
| posted on 4-21-2010 at 08:57 PM |
|
|
I can't believe I didn't realize he won on the day before 4/20
|
|
|
BigStevieCool
Rated R Superstar 
Posts 365
Registered 2-27-2006 Member Is Offline Mood: CDIV
|
| posted on 4-22-2010 at 04:12 PM |
|
|
Still no comment from Rick about the show? I know he's not in love with the TNA product, but I assumed he watched it. Has he posted his
thoughts anywhere?
FWIW, I thought it was a great show this week.
Joe looked awesome, and it would be cool to see him come back and be a key player in his kick ass form, without any of the stupid gimmicks that
derailed his character.
The RVD win was a big surprise to me, and I really enjoyed it. My one complaint is that even though it was a good match, AJ comes out looking weak
because he lost to a guy who had a really tough match against Hardy a mere hour before. I hope next week they spend a little time rehabbing
AJ's character, and NOT by making him whine and complain about the loss, but by kicking ass and destroying an upper-mid-card wrestler. Maybe
have AJ fight Hardy to see who gets RVD at the next PPV, and give AJ a clean win over Hardy just like RVD got. That would set up the rematch nicely
and keep AJ looking legitimate.
Unfortunately, TNA has a lot of talent on their roster, and most of it was ignored this week. That makes me worry that next week will be used to
focus on the mid-card, and they will lose all the heat they just built for the guys surrounding top belt.
|
|
|
Biff_Manly
Showstopper 
Posts 559
Registered 6-16-2006 Member Is Offline Mood: Old School
|
| posted on 4-22-2010 at 05:03 PM |
|
|
Given the fact that AJ had a brutal fight with Pope the night before, I don't think he came off looking weak. I think he could have stressed
that fact a little more when he was saying he didn't want to wrestle that night, but that's a small point.
When I read here that RVD won the title I immediately went to watch the show and I was really entertained. The show went along at an pretty fast pace.
I can honestly say that is the best episode on TNA I have ever seen.
[Edited on 4-22-2010 by Biff_Manly]
"Walter: I can solve everything by making this gramophone have sex with time."
--SCSA's Fringe on Ice Holiday Spectacular.
|
|
|
theflammablemanimal
Man of a Thousand Holds
Posts 1743
Registered 9-2-2008 Member Is Offline Mood: missing his ava
|
| posted on 4-22-2010 at 06:11 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Biff_Manly
Given the fact that AJ had a brutal fight with Pope the night before, I don't think he came off looking weak.
I don't think AJ looked weak either, but don't forget that RVD had 2 cage matches the night before and a match earlier that night.
Frankly, I think AJ looked stupid when he got all upset that Hulk said "You're not fighting the winner at Sacrifice, you're fighting him
tonight." He should have been happy that he would have been fighting someone who had at least been through LL and a fight earlier that night.
|
|
|
SpiNNeR72
rOOkie
Posts 32
Registered 10-21-2006 Location Shetland Member Is Offline Mood: Amused!
|
| posted on 4-22-2010 at 07:28 PM |
|
|
^^ That was the only way a heel could, or should, react. The moment they want a title defence, they start to turn face.
I thought it was a great show all in all. Like most the only real "what?" aspect was including Rob Terry. He's been just fine in the midcarder
squashing role and should have stayed there for at least a year or so until he at least proved worthy of a step up. Not unlike Goldberg in that
sense.
RVD's win was a genuine surprise for me. I had expected AJ to carry the title for many more months, but on reflection, this is what monday night
Impact needed, and what RAW has lost. The genuine "anything can happen" feel.
AJ can get the title back anytime, he has lot of years in him yet after all! But now, we will always enjoy a TNA title match on TV because it *might*
be another big change. When was the last time either of the top WWE titles changed on free TV?
Biggest markout was for Joe though. Thank fuck they seem to have realised what he can do. Maybe they got a look at his first big run at the X Division
back in 2005-2006 and realised how amazing and unique he can be when used right.
Am looking forward to DannyT's recaps of Joe's matches as he is clearly new to him (or was winding up us Joe fans this week!)
Roll on the next live show 
|
|
|
BigStevieCool
Rated R Superstar
Posts 365
Registered 2-27-2006 Member Is Offline Mood: CDIV
|
| posted on 4-22-2010 at 09:14 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
RVD's win was a genuine surprise for me. I had expected AJ to carry the title for many more months, but on reflection, this is what monday night
Impact needed, and what RAW has lost. The genuine "anything can happen" feel.
Biggest markout was for Joe though. Thank fuck they seem to have realised what he can do. Maybe they got a look at his first big run at the X Division
back in 2005-2006 and realised how amazing and unique he can be when used right.
Agree completely with these points. RVD win was a genuine surprise and made the show feel very fun and exciting.
As for Joe, I'd love to see him go on that same kind of dominating tear. He was awesome then and had massive heat -- let's hope they let
him do that again.
|
|
|
Shastar
Showstopper
Posts 842
Registered 1-5-2002 Location VB, VA Member Is Offline Mood: tired
|
| posted on 4-23-2010 at 01:26 AM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Biff_Manly
Given the fact that AJ had a brutal fight with Pope the night before, I don't think he came off looking weak. I think he could have stressed
that fact a little more when he was saying he didn't want to wrestle that night, but that's a small point.
There's that, as well as the classic wrestling angle of, "I didn't take you seriously last night, I won't make the same mistake
twice." AJ/RVD is just getting started, and I think they have some great matches in them to come.
As for Samoa Joe: Yes, i am familiar with his ework, I do think he's awesome (Note the "!" I put after his name in my recap) and yes, i hope
that I'm able to capture that awesomeness in my recaps.
|
|
|
kafkonia
rOOkie
Posts 23
Registered 6-13-2009 Member Is Offline Mood:
|
| posted on 4-23-2010 at 02:50 AM |
|
|
quote:
When was the last time either of the top WWE titles changed on free TV?
About three weeks ago...
|
|
|
salmonjunkie
American Dream 
Posts 7610
Registered 6-25-2002 Location Sunny Seattle, WA Member Is Offline Mood: ass
|
| posted on 4-23-2010 at 09:29 AM |
|
|
Just watched Impact. That was a good show! I really liked that main event. I would've liked to have seen AJ keep the belt longer, but at the
same time, RVD becoming champ is really cool.
Speaking of champs, they didn't even mention that Rob Terry is the Global Champion, did they? He doesn't carry his belt, the announcer
didn't announce him as the Global Champ... Are they just going to forget that this belt exists?
Other than that little bit, excellent show. Loved the return of Samoa Joe.
[Edited on 4-23-2010 by salmonjunkie]
Personally, I think he�s a [freaking homosexual].
|
|
|
Joeldacat
Showstopper 
Posts 512
Registered 9-10-2002 Location Savannah, GA Member Is Offline Mood: Pocket Sugar
|
| posted on 4-23-2010 at 12:52 PM |
|
|
What happened to the *real* ratings this week? I saw them posted for NXT, but not for Monday night, for either show.
Were they posted somewhere and I missed it?
Smash Bros: 0946-2287-5180; Wii Code: 7107-0750-3423-4742
|
|
|
angstboy
DaddyMonkeyLives.com
Posts 4743
Registered 12-11-2002 Location Baltimore, MD Member Is Offline Mood: Jokeriffic!
|
| posted on 4-23-2010 at 02:46 PM |
|
|
http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=23068
Corner Kicked - a comic where Cory and Ziggy do inappropriate stuff to each other.
|
|
|
Joeldacat
Showstopper
Posts 512
Registered 9-10-2002 Location Savannah, GA Member Is Offline Mood: Pocket Sugar
|
| posted on 4-23-2010 at 04:06 PM |
|
|
Totally missed that; and I feel like it hasn't really been featured on the other sites. Thanks.
I'm glad it's sorta-kinda good news for TNA!
Smash Bros: 0946-2287-5180; Wii Code: 7107-0750-3423-4742
|
|
|
