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Author: Subject: OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for: RAW (February 28, 2011)
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OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for: RAW (February 28, 2011)

OO Nation: All discussion pertaining to RAW (airing February 28, 2011) should be done in this thread. It will remain pinned at the top of the Current Events section for the remainder of the week. In discussing the program, we'd love it if you shared your numerical rating for the show (from a low of 0.0 to a high of 5.0, in any increment of one-tenth of a point). For full details on the ratings scale and how to join in on this informal "Battle of the Brands," please be sure to check out the OOfficial Guidelines for TV Ratings/Discussion Threads.

Tonight on RAW: WWE is promising that the Rock will respond to last week's Battle Rap by John Cena... while it will no doubt be entertaining, my guess is that it will also be pre-taped, as the WWE braintrust has decided to only use Rock in a live, in-arena role on RAW either one or two more times prior to WrestleMania to make sure fans don't get "used to" the idea of Rocky always being around (even though that flies in the face of the Rock's own words about being so glad to be back and promisng never to go away)... that means inside the arena tonight, Miz should be the biggest thorn in Cena's side, as they gear up for the WM main event WWE Title Match...

Also gearing up for WM: Triple H and the Undertaker... last week's "Silence is Golden" Moment will now need to be explained using words; since HHH was the instigator, he should also be the explaninator (also, he's better on the mic than Taker trying to speak cryptically while maintaining his Dead Man demeanor)... WWE's announced that the WM match is officially on, but tonight we should have the "why" spelled out for us...

The third item on the plate for tonight: a new twist in the CM Punk vs. Orton feud, which Punk teased last week by saying Orton would be taking his career into his own hands if he was foolish enough to show up the following week... well, tonight is the following week, so let's see what Punk (and Nexus) have in store for Orton...

Everything else: US Champ Daniel Bryan may or may not have just started a feud with the ever-suffering Sheamus following a backstage altercation last week; I vote for "may have"... the Corre are still the tag champs after a convoluted and silly double switch last week on RAW; while Wade Barrett's main issue seems to be with Big Show on SD, the Corre underlings who hold the titles may end up feuding with Punk's underlings from the Nexus; I'd much prefer that NOT be the case, as any such matches/feuds would die on the table since few fans care about the underlings on either side, and insofar as they do care, both sides are heels.... in any case, as noted on the Main Page, it was bogus that Cena/Miz got a tag title shot before Santino and Kozlov got their obligatory rematch, so perhaps we'll get that set up tonight... Eve is still the women's champ, and I still don't know why...

The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Let your voice be heard and your thoughts on Brand Supremacy be known. Don't wait till after 11pm to post, either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome. So discuss, debate, and rate!





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posted on 2-28-2011 at 11:02 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Rock's gotta bring a lot more than that.

Here is Cena's reply to the twitpic above -

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"Woke up to see what looks like rocks foot crushing the words Hustle Loyalty and Respect. Yep...that sounds like the rock alright."

Fans then asked Cena about The Rock on tonight's RAW and he wrote the following:

"yeah...I expected a lil more...but im sure tonight will be good. Ill be waiting to see him"

"maybe we will. Its in buffalo. Ill be there. We will see if dwayne can fit it into his sched."






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posted on 3-1-2011 at 03:16 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
HHH buried the whole damn lockerroom as dogshit, that only he and Undertaker matter, not even the titles matter AND then beats the shit out of Sheamus. Sheamus goes from being penciled into a WM match with HHH into a three minute beatdown from HHH.

Is it wrong to hope that one of or both HHH or Undertaker injure themselves getting out of bed tomorrow and are out of WM?





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Okay...so now we know why HHH wants UT.

But did they really need to bury Sheamus even deeper? I can see setting up for an "After Wrestlemania Feud", but with the way they've been jobbing Sheamus, it's going to take some major rebuilding before and after Wrestlemania to make him look strong. And I just can't see the writer-monkeys being able to do it.





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But on the flip-side, I guess we now know who's going to cost HHH ending the streak!





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Great night for Sheamus. Even Lawler mentioned feeling sorry for him when the second job to Bourne began. Wow.
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When Cole announced his "trainer" was a former champion and everything, I was hoping a resurrected Andy Kaufman would come out.

...or even Stacy Carter.





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Makes great sense, have forever babyface Evan Bourne relish the idea of beating an already decimated and thus sympathetic Sheamus.

AND THEN you have two time former world heavyweight champion Jack Swagger punching his ticket to WM playing Michael Cole's trainer/second.

I'm done with this shit for the night.





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Anyone notice the steel cage above the ring? Wonder if it gets used tonight?





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Personally I loved the HHH-Sheamus beatdown, thought it was wonderfully brutal, and the Pedigree through the table was awesome. Sheamus wasn't doing much anyway, other than losing to Mark Henry, so this isn't gonna hurt him any more than he was already being hurt. Hell, if anything, it's nice that he was involved in that high-profile of a segment.





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I love how all of a sudden the Raw GM has the power to disband the Nexus. Where was this power the last 8 months as they were running through the WWE?

I need to stop thinking too much into these types of things...

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So The Rock wanted to achieve more than his goals in the WWE...he knew that if he made it in Hollywood, that it would mean he would open the door for the WWE...open for the entire locker room...

Um...to what?

Movies?

Why should fans cheer someone trying to lead their wrestlers out the door?

In general this didn't work all that well.



And this whole night's been a bit off. They set up a way to make the Bellas champions without actually doing anything to help Daniel Bryan (double-wrong)...Cena's half of the promo with Miz was quite bad and long...and how do you wait until halfway through the night to advertise that HBK is going to comment on HHH/Taker? Why not just wait till next week and promote it?

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Personally I loved the HHH-Sheamus beatdown, thought it was wonderfully brutal, and the Pedigree through the table was awesome. Sheamus wasn't doing much anyway, other than losing to Mark Henry, so this isn't gonna hurt him any more than he was already being hurt. Hell, if anything, it's nice that he was involved in that high-profile of a segment.


Yea, it was awesome. Who cares about the future of the company when you can have two broken down, over the hill, pieces of shit like HHH and Taker bury them and make them look like jokes.

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Say what you want about Taker-HHH but the fact is, when they're (finally) gone, guys like Sheamus are going to be carrying the torch, regardless of if they're on the receiving end of a beatdown that everyone is going to have forgotten about six months from now.

As much as I loved the Rock and HBK promos, that must've really sucked for the live crowd to have had to sit through two pre-recorded segments in a row.





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It obviously didn't suck for them, because the Rock had them eating out of his hand.
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Say what you want about Taker-HHH but the fact is, when they're (finally) gone, guys like Sheamus are going to be carrying the torch, regardless of if they're on the receiving end of a beatdown that everyone is going to have forgotten about six months from now.


Unfortunately you're right, but it doesn't make the present any less frustrating. At least now we know why they haven't been building Sheamus up to look strong since he might not even have a wrestlemania match.





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Thinking about who Cole's special guest ref can be (other than Alex Riley)...I wonder if they'll make it Bret Hart. Really the only guy with any real WWE beef with Lawler over his WWE career.

For there to really be any sort of question as to what Bret Hart would do (as he is obviously 100% face at this point) they'd have to keep it short with like, 1 appearence just to pop the crowd, and one week where he doesn't appear and Cole plays up Hart-Lawler's past and why Hart would screw him...and obviously doesn't at WM.

Yeah...no idea why they came up with a second guest ref thing (with Rock probably being the more important one for the main event)...but I guess that would be the biggest option to make fans care even the slightest about this "match".


As for the rest of Raw...I don't know...it has seemed like a pretty simple path to Wrestlemania for them, but they've taken some weird repetative journeys here.

Two special refs already stated...they also did two (cannot be on their side) matches tonight...Alex Riley, and the beginning of the Nexus v. Orton matches. I like the Orton v. Nexus ones...hated them taking Riley away from Miz and the storyline in general. Two long videos...both the Rock and HBK which were just "alright".

I hate that we could see the Bellas winning the Divas title...only because the Divas have become a horrible waste of time, and the one good thing they could have done was use them to make a Daniel Bryan feud, and they didn't. I guess Bryan and Sheamus both could get reset next week as we still have 4 more weeks to build up to Wrestlemania.

Swagger with Cole? Yeah, he won't be wrestling at WM it seems, but at least its a bit more high-profile than he would have gotten. Something plus that could come of this - if they decide to move Cole away from the booth and make him a permanent manager of Swagger....could have a Vickie-Ziggler effect that would be great for him.


I have no problem with HHH taking out Sheamus. He didn't exactly do it cleanly...he kicked him in the sac to start it off...but either way, they needed to close that thread to make it seem like HHH had no other business. This sure is sounding like he's saying his career is also over if he loses this, without saying it so he can come back every so often.

I guess that's about it. This was not a good Raw. Hopefully once we hit the normal amount of time between PPVs (starts next week I believe) maybe they can hit the road to Wrestlemania for real already and really build everything up without the fluff.

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Alot of negative nancies in here

I thought Raw was alot of fun, and its setting up a pretty good Wrestlemania card.

People are complaining about Swagger being Coles trainer, but I see this as a good thing for Swagger, he went from really having nothing to do (true they could have focused on him) to being in one of the marque matches on this Wrestlemania card, and make no mistake, like it or not Cole vs Lawler is going to be a selling point to some for this show. Now Swagger is going to get alot of rub from this.

HHH's promo to me woudl be a great launching pad for not only the UT feud but a years worth of material for would be HHH or Undertaker matches. It is clear that HHH the character is missing something major, and in his point of view its a challenge. The truth that HHH is missing is he is being replaced and he is underestimating those that will replace him. This promo can be used for awhile if WWE chooses.

This idea is also prevalent in the John Cena vs Miz feud, although not as bad. But its clear that Miz is feeling irrelevant in this feud, and its really a great character addition to the Miz, who has always been at his best proving how awesome he is. I think Miz is playing his role in this well.

I admit that Rileys toilet joke was lame.... but really was anything Cena doing any better in that entire promo. I can't stand Cena, or any of the corporate shilling he seems to be doing, but irritated as I get with Cena I have come to accept the WWE machine that Cena is the man now, and with that I have learned to tolerate Cena, and appreciate him for that. No matter how retarded the things that Cena does are....I always feel like he really does put the WWE on his back in his own way and he loves the business, which in a way makes me sorta like Cena.

The Rock was gold, at least to me, and he is right he did open the door for others to follow him, and in a way gave legitimacy to wrestling entertainment, instead of a fake program. The way that Miz said he would take on the Rock after Cena...makes me think that we are going to get a Cena vs Rock unannounced unofficial match at Wrestlemania.

The HBK promo tonight and Sheamus' beatdown make me think that UT vs HHH is going to be mired in Shenanigans.

I use to love cage matches, I can't decide is it the performers, or if its just the concept that seems to have made these matches kinda retarded.

Orton vs Punk....which one is the heel again?

Are they scratching Money in the Bank?

All in all I liked Raw tonight.

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Originally posted by DevilSoprano Yea, it was awesome. Who cares about the future of the company when you can have two broken down, over the hill, pieces of shit like HHH and Taker bury them and make them look like jokes.


Yeah, I'm hoping they remove those broken down, over the hill guys like Miz and Del Rio from the title matches at WrestleMania this year.

Not to mention Sheamus has been jobbing to just about anyone and everyone for the last few months (for reasons nobody seems to know), so it's not like this wasn't par for the course for the guy. Hell, he got a very similar beatdown from Mark Henry three weeks ago.

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Agreed. The main event was fun (Miz's cell phone spot was awesome and I could almost see that becoming a staple for him to do during a match), but nothing else did much for me tonight and I think "off" is the best way to describe it. A few quick thoughts since I should have been in bed 30 minutes ago:

-I can totally see how Triple H's promo could be seen as burying the locker room, but I think the main gist of it was that he and Taker have nothing left to prove or accomplish in the industry, so why not go one on one with each other at Mania with the streak on the line. If anything, I kind of like the "last of their kind" vibe they're going for here, as they really are the only two left from 90's WWE. And for those that don't like the feud, hey, at least they're fighting each other and only taking up one match on the card.

-As a Swagger mark, I don't know whether I should be happy that he at least has a storyline for WrestleMania or if I should cry that it's as Michael Cole's trainer. At the very least, I'm hoping he maybe gets a little push out of this on Smackdown (where he can have Cole verbally fellate him the way he does Miz on RAW).

-Punk/Orton is probably the most I've been entertained by an Orton feud in years and that can 95% be attributed to the work of CM Punk. Punk saying (something along the lines of) "Randal Keith Orton, don't you punt him in the head," the way a parent would when scolding their child, was awesome.

-I've pretty much given up hope on Kong debuting in time for Mania.

-I know the word is that the WWE is wanting to limit the Rock's appearances so that Mania feels like something special, but it's going to get old fairly quick if he's just there via satellite (or not there at all) over the next month. Hopefully his comments tonight means him and Cena are going to be face to face in the near future, which should be pretty epic. Even seeing Rock just cut a promo on Cena is still kinda surreal.

-Oh yeah, and Austin is on next week? Any chance we get some kind of interaction between him and the Rock? Probably not (my best guess is that Austin fills in as the "big name" in Rock's place next week and then Rock returns to RAW two weeks from now, whether it's live or another satellite appearance).

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Until Kevin Dunn (RAW Producer) is out the door, Sheamus will keep getting buried. For some reason he just doesn't like him. A bit of an odd placement for Evan Bourne, but boy that shooting star press looked awesome!

Good promo by the Rock, but I think it was hurt by not being in the middle of the ring, delivering the damn thing. This back and forth between him and Cena can't end with a handshake in the middle of the ring in Atlanta.....can it???

Don't like them taking Alex Riley away from the Miz. Also, that had to have been one of the worst cage matches in recent memory. Cena is just as much, if not more at fault for that than Alex Riley. The only thing worse than that match, was Cena's promo earlier in the night. When he gets into that petulant child mode, he becomes absolutely insufferable. This leads me to believe that if they put him in the ring with the Rock, for some gum flapping banter, he will get his shit pushed in.





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-Punk/Orton is probably the most I've been entertained by an Orton feud in years and that can 95% be attributed to the work of CM Punk.

Really? Only 95%?

Also, where was John Morrison tonight?

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I could see this taking off for the Miz...

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I wonder if the crowd in Buffalo were happy that they paid their hard-earned money to sit in an arena and watch TV for much of the night?

And even if they weren't being asked to watch TV, they weren't given much in the way of the, you know?, wrestling. I'm too proud to sully myself with Meltzer's Wanker Lair, but somebody want to supply us with the sum total of bell-to-bell action tonight? Back in the days of the Monday Night Wars, anything under 30:00 was considered a travesty... I wonder if we even topped 20:00 tonight?

Not that I care: it's my stance that when WWE's getting it right, the wrestling and the entertainment tend to even out over time, so one night aberrations, or a more entertainmenty focus during the WrestleMania run are OK...

What I do care about is that the show as a whole tonight seemed off; even the segments that I was very interested in seemed to somehow under-deliver the goods or otherwise overstay their welcome to create an overall floptastic/anticlimactic feel.

Hell, they spent the night hyping a Shawn Michaels promo, and when it came, I fast-forwarded it the first time because it looked like a commercial for HHH/Taker at WM. When I rewound to go looking for the supposed HBK promo, I discovered my mistake and was throughly disappointed in the resulting 17 microns of Added Value. That's just no way to do business, WWE.

The Rock's promo certainly didn't get the FF treatment, but I also don't think it was the satisfying/pitch-perfect home run he needed to hit if he's going to pull off the bait and switch that he's trying to pull off (by declaring his love for WWE one week, no-showing the next, and phoning it in the third).

Punk/Orton stuff was a letdown, unless I completely misunderstood the point of Punk's promo LAST week. Wasn't something suppossed to happen tonight? Instead, we get the babyface attacking an unconscious man and then running away from Punk like a coward, and my brain explodes trying to comprehend why Randall has even one fan.

I think HHH's promo/explanation was a solid one. If you disagree and are in the "he buried the entire roster" school of thought, I can only hope you despise the Miz for doing an EVEN WORSE hatchet job on the locker room every week he cuts a promo about being the only thing worth watching in all of WWE. Yes, HHH put himself (and Taker) over huge with his thesis, but that's what wrestlers get paid to do: get over. It's not worth getting indignant about unless HHH is the only one allowed to do it. And he's not. To be honest, it didn't even click with me to be indignant till I saw the posts here: he was describing something that was important to HIM, and it's up to each fan to decide if they're such big fans of HHH to take an interest in HHH's pursuits. Most fans will be, from the sounds of things.

In the past, thoses interests have been titles and whatnot; but for the sake of the next month, those interests are more personal and less professional than they've been in the past. I think I'd be more amenable to the criticisms I've read here, except for the fact that if HHH had returned and cut his first promo talking about his desire to climb back up the mountain and regain his rightful place as WWE Champion, the same critics would STILL find fault that HHH was pulling strings to go straight to the top of the card, politics this, glass ceilings that, and roster burial the other. Ergo: I'm choosing to not be amenable to this line of reasoning.

What I *was* noticing on my own during HHH's promo is that it seemed -- in spots -- poorly delivered. Just from a plain old execution standpoint. The content was A-OK, but the presentation seemed a bit rusty in spots. If I was gonna criticize anything, that was gonna be it. And OK: I was probably gonna say something about poor Sheamus, too. I started out being confused by his treatment, then I started to think it was so stupid there had to be a secret plan afoot to undo his losing streak, but now I'm officially back to being confused.

The Cole/Lawler stuff seemed to be overlong to me; kinda like a Santino/Vlad match, the crowd laps it up, but its a sideshow best kept in small doses. Tonight's dose was not small, it overstayed its welcome... but once it finally got to where it was going, the destination was a good one. They WM match is set-up, and they've begun installing the bells and whistles that'll make for a Crowd-Pleasing Sports Entertainment Segment in the end. Do not weep for Jack Swagger: he can only gain by being proximate to a storyline that people actually care about... if you don't think being Cole's lackey against a 65-year-old announcer is better for Swagger than beating Trent Barretta on "Superstars," then you officially don't understand how wrestling works.

A final thing that seemed "off" all night: after a nice run of super-tight/"dense" shows around the New Year, WWE is back to all of its old bad habits, and tonight seemed even worse than usual. "Moments Ago" crap, lingering on wide shots or reaction shots for minutes after stuff stopped happening (with somebody's theme music playing and Cole re-explaining what just happened, instead of cutting away and HAVING SOMETHING NEW HAPPEN GODDAMMIT), replaying entire segments from last week before this week's follow-up segment instead of multi-tasking and having last week's story explained by the announcers while a zero-value-add thing like a lengthy ring entrance is taking place (or by split screening last week's deal with this week's zero-value-add thing).

People fast-forward (or flip channels if they don't have a DVR time shift) in two ways.... one way they'll speak is by skipping an entire segment that doesn't appeal to them. But a second way is when WWE presents a show like tonight that induces viewers to fast forward WITHIN A SEGMENT THAT ACTUALLY INTERESTS THEM but then grows tiresome or has ceased to add any additional value/content. What was the purpose of spending 90 seconds showing Randall hiding in the crowd while his music played? Answer: there was none. If I hadn't already deleted it from my DVR, this would have been a good week to get out a stopwatch and keep track of "Wasted Minutes" in order to pay homage to my hero, Herb Kunze (the Once and Future Ultimate Wanker, and Master of the Stopwatch). Forget bell-to-bell time, however; the more telling stat is how much of that non-bell-to-bell time WWE is wasting on crap that adds nothing to the product.

If I'm in charge of writing a 2 hour show, I'd aspire to waste not even 1 second of my precious, precious time. WWE -- on this night moreso than others -- wasted whole minutes at a time, and I cannot tell you how much that gets on my nerves. The fact that it's a minor issue some weeks, and then a huge problem the next suggests to me that it's not even something that WWE considers when formatting a show, which frustrates me all the more. It should be something WWE considers, not just because wasted minutes causes a show to become less "sticky" and viewers will stray from a less-appealing show...

Not a really strong outing this week. You can't even bother rating the "wrestling" since there was none to speak of (Orton slothed his way to pinning one jobber while Cena beat another in the only other match longer than 90 seconds), and the entertainment-y parts seemed to underdeliver to me. All while the director/producer/whoever wrapped it all up in a package that was just about as frustrating as possible, like they think we want our TV show to waste our time with 178 layers of duct tape, or something. Boo.


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posted on 3-1-2011 at 06:48 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Not a good night when even a Rock promo can't get anyone outside of the floor seating on their feet. Satellite-delivered or not, that one was one of the best promos Rock's ever done.

The rest of the night kind of defined 'meh', even Hunter's part. Announce table being involved made no difference, that was one of the tamest beatdowns Trips has ever delivered. The only good thing about it was that they gave themselves no more excuses not to re-build Sheamus. Given the losses and the rest of the chickenshit-heelery he's been stuck with for far too long there's just no way to view him as credibly being a dominant/monster heel anymore. I'd give him to Punk/Nexus right now just to start the rebuilding process. Either that or just ship him to SD already.

The curse of any sort of Divas battle royal is now factually proven. Very little good ever happens in any show where one of these types of absolutely awful matches occurs, sort of a weird variant, cosmically and karmically speaking, of the 'nothing good ever happens after 1 AM rule'.





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