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posted on 8-12-2011 at 04:27 PM
Empire always kills though. The world is too big, too complicated, and too damn expensive for a single great power to control from top-to-bottom. This
permanent "full-spectrum domination" idea, or whatever the Cheneyites liked to call it, is just not possible and it's national fiscal suicide
to contemplate that it even is. For it to work it's proponents literally have to tell the American people that they have to put up with an end
to Medicare, to Social Security, live with a collapsing education system, and tolerate an infrastructure that's practically rotting away in
front of everyone. It really is one of two choices: endlessly project American military power across the planet to confront enemies that are nowhere
near the level of existential threat that the Nazis and Soviets once posed and let the United States die from the inside out due to lack of funding of
critically important domestic needs. Or accept a new power balance (most likely centred around new regional great powers like the US, China, India,
Brazil, possibly Russia as well, and the Eurozone too) and have the money available make life at home for the average American much better.
It's not isolationism, but a long-overdue refocussing of priorities. Any form of crusaderism, especially any military occupation and all of this
"nation building" bullshit, has to come to an end. Whatever Bin Laden and his band of despicable cavemen and savages did ten years ago wasn't
worth spending over $2 trillion on.
(fuck it, just be a full-blown racist and Western cultural supremacist about it too, blatantly steal the good old quote from Otto Von Bismarck, and
say that all these pathetic cunts in the rest of the world aren't worth a single American dollar anyway, or a single American life for that
matter)
[Edited on 8-12-2011 by Paddlefoot]
[Edited on 8-12-2011 by Paddlefoot]
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posted on 8-12-2011 at 06:22 PM
You can't just ignore issues in other countries. Even leaving aside moral imperatives to help the needy, fucked up stuff in Africa, Asia, South
America, etc do affect us even if we were to pull all our military and aid out. For sure we need to stop propping up corrupt governments simply
because we think Muslims will take over if we don't. Shit like that is screwing us over long term. However, financially, we are seeing that
our economy is highly based on what happens in other countries and if we don't work with other countries to ensure economic success elsewhere we
got no hope in the US.
Financial aid can work, we're just dumb as shit about it. We've done a hell of a lot of good in Africa with AIDs awareness,
promoting protection, education for women, etc. There are still so many problems but our work and money has provided real benefits and an educated,
healthy workforce elsewhere will in the long run help us here.
The fact is we got more than enough money in this country to do all the shit we need, it's just being pocketed or sent over to build more
sweatshops in Asia (an example of how not to improve the lives of people in other countries or the US).
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posted on 8-12-2011 at 06:36 PM
�I�m not going to eat Barack Obama�s dog food.�
Mitt Romney
�Congress gave Obama a $2.4 million blank check.�
Michele Bachmann
�You fought Obamacare and we got Obamacare, you fought the debt ceiling deal and we got a debt ceiling deal. Please stop because you�re killing
us.�
Tim Pawlenty
Are you a submissive wife?
I really don't get the backlash from the crowd. She goes around saying stuff on record about being submissive... it's fair game once you
toss it out there. I guess some people are scared her true colors will shine...
Loony colors...
gimmickless
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 12:42 AM
I only read the transcript:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/08/ames-debate-romney-bachmann-paul-huntsman-santorum-gingrich-pawlenty-cain.html
It's a shame the only candidates I'm at all partial to are not the frontrunners: Hunstman and Cain are the only two I'd be okay
with winning the primary. Paul and Bachmann both sound like they're running for monarch instead of President. The rest, I've already
ruled out for various reasons.
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 04:40 AM
I don't know much about any of them, so I'm expecting Steve to come in here and drop some knowledge on me, but so far Romney seems
sane-ish and is the relative best of a bad bunch. Bachmann is frightening, probably even more so than Paul. But I don't know how far Romney can
get because he isn't all about being a poster boy for Christianity and lord knows you gotta roll with Jesus to get a large chunk of the right
behind you.
ETA-
lmao
[Edited on 8-14-2011 by Chris Is Good517]
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 04:47 AM
Not to derail the thread, but Romney is actually a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which I wouldn't consider a
denomination of Christianity. Just a minor detail.
VOTE!
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 04:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by EricOMac
Not to derail the thread, but Romney is actually a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which I wouldn't consider a
denomination of Christianity. Just a minor detail.
I may be thinking of Pawlenty. I'm really not sure anymore. I know one of those guys has been getting hamstrung in some circles for not being
outwardly religious.
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Bachmann: "I haven't had a gaffe... when it comes to the best Republican who take
on Barack Obama and not have any clunker in my record to be able to take him on, it's me."
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 04:54 AM
The Texas governor may be who you are thinking of. Can't remember his name, but I think he announced he was running a couple of days ago.
VOTE!
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 08:43 AM
quote:Originally posted by EricOMac
Not to derail the thread, but Romney is actually a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which I wouldn't consider a
denomination of Christianity. Just a minor detail.
So he's down with Mormon Jesus.
No big. Better than believing *he* is Jesus.
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 01:35 PM
A minor detail is that if you believe in Christ as the son of God, who died for your sins and was resurrected, etc. etc., you're Christian, even
if you think Christ then came over for the US Tour.
Tex. Gov. Rick Perry is pretty outwardly religious though. In a kind of scary way, but still....
If the Republicans want to spend their time and money playing "I'm more Christian than thou" then I say go for it.
[Edited on 8-14-2011 by firewoman]
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 03:28 PM
Aaaaand.....Pawlenty's already out.
Impressive. From someone who was being talked about as one of the favorites when the field first started being discussed, to never really gaining
traction at all, to out before the first primary. I'll just be interested to see who he throws his support behind now. Think his fellow
Minnesotan stands a chance?
quote:Originally posted by gimmickless
It's a shame the only candidates I'm at all partial to are not the frontrunners: Hunstman and Cain are the only two I'd be okay
with winning the primary. Paul and Bachmann both sound like they're running for monarch instead of President. The rest, I've already
ruled out for various reasons.
That's one more than me. I liked Huntsman, despite disagreeing with some of his positions, as he seemed
to be the only one who was more interested in actually being a leader than just attacking the current president. Unfortunately, someone must've
clued him into the fact that that'll be good for about 3% of the vote and a quick exit, as recently he's seemed to be getting more
interested in taking shots at Obama.
Cain meanwhile, as best I can tell, really doesn't have anything going for him other than his ability to hate. Wants the constitutional
amendment banning gay marriage, would expect any Muslim wanting a cabinet position to "prove" their loyalty to the constitution, believes in freedom
of religion but supports communities banning mosques because those damn Muslims want to bring Sharia Law over into the US government and so
forth...
But he's an OMG BUSINESSMAN! Someone needs to inform a lot of people that running the US Government is not the same as running a pizza chain.
Just like those same people need to be informed that balancing the federal budget is not the same as balancing their family's checkbook.
But I'm starting to ramble. Proceed with the discussion...
[Edited on 8-14-2011 by Cherokee Jack]
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 04:25 PM
I'd like my National Budget with pepperoni and extra cheese.
Surprised Gingrich hasn't dropped after Saturday.
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posted on 8-14-2011 at 05:13 PM
I want the nut from Texas to win. Or the nut from Minnesota. Or the nut from Alaska. Seriously, I want top-to-bottom TeaParty/FOX News/Limbaugh
government. And as many state houses and governor's office as possible too. Only by having them win everything, and then watching them destroy
everything they can over a four-year period and/or starting a few more wars overseas in the name of Jeebus, will put a stop to this ideological
insanity once and for all. America's been on the psychiatrist's couch for far too long, feeling sorry for itself like a whiny little
bitch. It's time for some hard-core rightist-radical AmeriTaliban electro-shock therapy. And when it's over the same mistake of ever
listening to anything contemporary conservatism has to say will ever be repeated again.
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posted on 8-15-2011 at 12:54 AM
I'm pretty surprised Pawlenty dropped out. I figure if you name the top 5 people who actually have a shot at beating Obama his name is in there
and Bachmann and Paul aren't. So by that logic, he won. Of course if he said that Bachmann would go insane on his ass but he should be thinking
it.
It's frustrating. Obama's got 9% unemployment and no plan and should be easily beatable, but the current crop can't do it. Which
brings me back to the article I posted last page. There's a pretty good AAA club so we ought to put someone polished up next fall, someone who
won't make the whole party look stupid Bachmann, and let the young guys get some experience. In 2016 we've either got Biden or another
newbie and that should be easier.
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posted on 8-15-2011 at 02:03 AM
Eh, I seriously doubt Biden will run. I guess it's not impossible, but I'd genuinely be surprised if he did.
And frankly (and I genuinely don't mean to sound condescending by this), this is what the Republican party gets for embracing Tea Party insanity
like they have for the last couple of years. You have a couple of legitimate candidates that might have a decent shot in a general election
(Pawlenty, Huntsman, maybe one or two others), but they're being drowned out and rendered irrelevant by Bachmann, Cain and the rest of the crowd
that's good for saying outlandish things that get them cheered by the superconservative crowd, but who are almost definitely not capable of
getting the kind of independent support a presidential candidate needs.
It really looks like Romney's the only hope the Republicans have at this point, and ironically they seem to be desperate to nominate anyone
else.
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posted on 8-15-2011 at 04:31 AM
quote:Originally posted by Cherokee Jack
And frankly (and I genuinely don't mean to sound condescending by this), this is what the Republican party gets for embracing Tea Party insanity
like they have for the last couple of years.
EXACTLY. Republicans promised crazy a baby, and now they just woke handcuffed to the headboard in a seedy motel room.
Gee, I wish I was still alive- LuckyLopez R.I.P.
Bachmann: "I haven't had a gaffe... when it comes to the best Republican who take
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posted on 8-15-2011 at 10:02 PM
Cain is simply playing off of fear and hate. I hope he has a child that marries a muslim. And then they have 8 little muslim kids.
He's the worst of the worst when it come to exploiting fear of the other.
Bold prediction time - Rick Perry vs Obama in 2012.
He may even call on Palin to be is VP. Together they can capture the 'yee haw, I'm a fake cowboy' and the 'yee haw I'm a
fucking moron' demographics.
The fact that Bachmann even has a shot shows how very little the average American pays attention to ANYTHING political. Fucking sad.
quote:Republicans promised crazy a baby, and now they just woke handcuffed to the headboard in a seedy motel room.
I wish someone on any major network (Fox included) would say this. It's funny because it's true.
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posted on 8-15-2011 at 11:24 PM
"Read my lips, no new Texans!"
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posted on 8-15-2011 at 11:58 PM
Even inhuman pieces of shit get it right sometimes.
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posted on 8-17-2011 at 01:47 AM
It's pretty embarrassing how the media is treating ol' Ron.
It's actually very similar to what happened last time Kucinch ran. There were debates were the camera would intentionally cut him off the screen
while he was on stage.
But Ron's case is much different. He is actually somewhat popular in early polling which makes it even more fucked up. The clip of the CNN guys
at the very end of the above video is all kinds of shameful.
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posted on 8-18-2011 at 02:25 AM
I think it will definitely be Romney. Perry and Bachmann will flame out and the GOP power players know Romney is their only shot to beat President
Obama in 2012. Also Romney is safe for down ticket races, house candidates won't have to comment on the latest Perry gaffe or Bachmann uttering
- Romney is the vanilla safe pick. He's 2004 John Kerry.
I think Bachmann and Perry will flame out before the Iowa caucuses even.
Candidates have to be officially declared by November 22nd - Will both make it until then? If not the GOP will have to scramble to find somebody to
jump in really late.
I know Rove and the like are trying to get Gov. Christie, Rep. Ryan or even Sen. Thune to run, but the current primary schedule is a farewall against
it. Moderate non-social issue warriors are not going to win Iowa or S.Carolina, Romney isn't going to lose Nevada so unless you want to go 0-4
heading into Florida it means you need to win New Hampshire. Problem with that is that Romney has already been in there for months, already spent
millions of dollars there and met thousands of residents. Somebody coming in now or later will be four months behind Romney in NH and probably near
$60M behind in fundraising.
As long as the field is set as it is now, I can't see anybody else jumping in unless they have the name value to be able to instantly contend
NH. Iowa caucus and NH primary will be in January 2012, so we're only five months out from the votes counting. Five months is a lot of time in
such a small state, but every day they remain on the sidelines is another day Romney locks down more and more votes.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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posted on 8-18-2011 at 03:37 AM
President Perry would be absolutely fucking hilarious. It'd be like George W. Bush's id run amok without the (now extinct) moderate wing
of the GOP around to control it. Considering that Perry comes across as more of a pastor/prophet than he does a politician, electing him would be the
final confirmation that America's really just a Christian theocracy counterpart to stand opposite to Iran.
Great eating, good laughs, and lot's of blowing the fuck out of all sorts of shit and/or the assholes living in some more of those loser
countries. What's not to like about a victorious-Perry scenario?
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posted on 8-18-2011 at 06:19 AM
Jesus, these candidates make me miss Mike Huckabee.
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posted on 8-21-2011 at 10:58 AM
quote:Originally posted by denverpunk
Jesus, these candidates make me miss Mike Huckabee.
Would you say you <3 Huckabee?
But seriously if any of these people but Huntsman actually became President this country would be in serious trouble. Him being ambassador to China
under Obama does give him a little credibility in the in the not being crazy and hope for not being stupid.
However, if one of those other people get in there I think Canada, Mexico, and South America are going to get a lot more immigrants from the U.S.
Has to be a bit scary to the rest of the world that we could possibly put someone like Bachman in the Presidency.
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