the goon
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I find OO to be Bizarro World in regards to Del Rio most of the time anyway, but I was just thinking during that opening segment how he seemed like he
belonged with the top guys. I get if you find his promos repetitive, but to say he's bad on the mic or has no charisma is kind of mind-boggling
to me. Not to mention he gets good crowd heat more often than not.
As for the show, I really liked it. I think the Nash/Triple H/Punk stuff was a step up from last week and for my money, we got three entertaining
matches.
Starting with Del Rio/Morrison. It was a bit disjointed in parts, but otherwise I thought it was really solid and the crowd was hot for it. And
it's frustrating with Morrison, because I still get the sense that he's just this close to breaking through to the top, but he just
can't do it. That spot where did a back flip off the ropes to the outside, landed on his feet, and then got slammed into the guardrail by Del
Rio was great. And Del Rio has gotten three clean wins in good, competitive matches in the week since he's become champion, so no complaints
there.
Divas match was standard stuff. I do continue to really dig what they're doing with Beth and Natayla, but one of them is going to have to get
the belt to keep this going (which I assume will happen at Night Of Champions).
The Nash/Triple H/Punk promo was entertaining and I like how it's all being played out. Instead of Triple H attacking Punk, it was Nash, which
still leaves Triple H's intentions in question. I also love all the shit Punk gets away with with Triple H.
And if I can go on a little tangent, I realized something tonight. I don't want to see Nash wrestle any more than anyone else, but as long as
Punk is involved, I'm not going to hate it. It's like Austin feuding with Vince in the 90's...Vince was old and wasn't even a
wrestler, but it worked (and no, I'm not saying Punk/Nash is anywhere near what Austin/Vince was). Much like it's said that Flair could
carry a broom to a five-star match, I think that right now Punk can carry a broom to a five-star feud. Nash feuding with anyone else? No thank you.
Nash feuding with Punk? Punk can make it work.
Tag match was somewhat short, but I dug it. At least they seem to be trying a little bit with the tag titles right now. And on the one hand, I thought
McGillicutty/Otunga were kind of starting to hit their stride as champs, but I have no real complaints about Kofi/Bourne getting the belts (especially
if they're going to work as a cohesive team). Plus it's good to see Bourne get his first WWE gold.
Absolutely loved the Miz/Truth promo and the idea of them as a team. And normally I love the Canadian crowds, but seriously, the "What?" shit was
really annoying tonight, especially during this segment.
I'm waiting for JB King to get a shot of Del Rio laughing and applauding after Cena's shirt got tossed back in the ring. It's the
little things like that that make me a Del Rio fan (not to mention when it showed him telling the crowd to toss it back again after Cena's third
attempt). And I think Cena and Punk are on auto-pilot right now as far as being able to deliver a great match, much like Cena and Edge once were. Nash
coming out kind of seemed to kill the crowd a bit, but otherwise, really good main event.
And I'm sure it will be forgotten about and never mentioned on WWE TV, but Cena pinning Punk after Nash's interference was pretty heelish.
I'm almost wondering if this will all be some huge swerve where Cena was in league with Triple H and Nash this whole time (hey, maybe he even
sent the text message), but yeah...that's not gonna happen.
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TheDead
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I thought this week was a big step up from last week.
I like Kofi/Bourne as tag champs. Hopefully we see some focus put on this division.
Punk owns the show. Everything with him is gold.
Cena getting his shirt thrown back into the ring TWICE was great. And yeah, Cena pinning Punk after Nash's "interference" was a total heel
move.
I'm in for next week, but I still think a lot of the pre-SummerSlam hype is completely gone.
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mark markham
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After watching the show I wanted to add that the main event was really entertaining to watch. Punk and Cena have a great chemistry/visual that make
all of their matches fun to watch. Do I dare say they are on a Flair/Steamboat level...hmm probably not, but they are pretty close. I can't
believe that some of you guys still think Punk is being shifted to the mid-card. I just don't see how that could happen. If anything it's
like they are trying to raise ADR up, not put Punk down. To that end if they really wanted to "make" ADR have him come out of rematches with both
Cena and Punk with the title. Of course the matches need to be good, but it would definitely put him in a spot where he had to sink or swim. I think
that it is actually ADR who is in danger of going back to mid-card/lower mid-card if he doesn't show something during this run, and I would
consider myself an ADR fan.
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The Riot Act
Hot, Spicy, ICHIBAN!!! 
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Is it just me or the did the commentary seem "off" tonight? They were oddly subdued, sometimes stumbling over their words and there was some
noticeable dead air. Either that or maybe they all just really toned it down tonight, particularly Cole.
For some reason, Lawler's burial of McGullicutty/Otunga and the Tag belts themselves really rubbed me the wrong way. It should be his job to
make a title match mean something but if his commentary is to be taken seriously then it implies that Bourne/Kofi went over a couple of nobodies to
win the belts.
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Quentil
And I am AWESOME
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quote:
Originally posted by Ultimate GCS
Above.
Side.
Body.
RICK SCAIA
Best recap EVER!
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Beer Baron
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Just wanted to get this in before I hit the hay. I saw this on my twatter feed:
�@steveaustinBSR: Youre welcome!RT @jeremyrooks: Greatest crowd 'chant' in #WWE history.... "What!?!?". Thanks @steveaustinBSR!�
Ugh. Open season to send him as many of his favorite chant asap. Seriously? I hate that horrible chant and i wish it could be locked away in the same
vault they put Benoit's career.
There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.
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gobbledygooker
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Don't get me wrong, I hate the "WHAT!" chants as much as anyone but i think one of the things that's been getting Truth over (as well as
Miz last night) is the way he handles the chants and plays back to the crowd. The only problem is that it just causes all those idiots to do it even
more but at least they're enjoying the interaction with Truth and getting into his heel act.
And his remixed "What's up?" into "You Suck!" owned on so many levels.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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ThePunisher
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quote:
Originally posted by the goon
I find OO to be Bizarro World in regards to Del Rio most of the time anyway, but I was just thinking during that opening segment how he seemed like he
belonged with the top guys. I get if you find his promos repetitive, but to say he's bad on the mic or has no charisma is kind of mind-boggling
to me. Not to mention he gets good crowd heat more often than not.
Problem is, it's "X-Pac Heat". They just want him out of the fucking ring as quickly as possible, because he absolutely sucks.
And I'm not trying to be a dick, but can you please explain how you thought he belonged with the top guys? He couldn't hang on the mic
worth a damn. All he could do was smile that big shit eating grin the whole time.
Hence, if you come to Manchester with a United shirt on, you may as well come to Raw with a t-shirt of Hitler getting a rimjob from the Queen and
blowjob from Richard the Lionheart. ~Devineman 07/12/2011
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gobbledygooker
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I don't think it's X-Pac heat at all. Hell, I actually noticed a surprising amount of ADR signs in the crowd last night (favorite one -
"ADR is RAD").
As I mentioned above, I just think that first segment was strangely "off" for whatever reason. Sure ADR didn't say a lot but neither did
Cena. It was like they were both waiting for CM Punk to say something brilliant and I felt like even he was forcing things.
And as I've said since he won the title, sure ADR's had a quick ascension to the top but I'm fine with it and he's proving it
by having good-to-great matches since he won the belt.
It's not like this is a true travesty like Orton winning the belt off of Benoit back in '04.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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mastermind
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�Sometimes a wrestler�s greatest professional successes happen away from the ring and away from the cameras. Such is the case with Alberto Del Rio,
who has not only won plenty of matches, but has also won over the confidence of WWE decision-makers with his professionalism and positive attitude.
In an era when WWE is looking to recruit not only good performers, but also good corporate citizens, Del Rio has proven to be both. In the ring and
on the mic, he�s entertaining. And on promotional tours, he�s a public relations dream: a young, handsome, well-spoken Latino from a well-respected
wrestling family who has nothing but good things to say about WWE��
Pro Wrestling Illustrated October 2011 (PWI 500 � Del Rio Ranked #6).
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mooseheadjack
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I'm still waiting for those good to great Del Rio matches
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joerizal
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quote:
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Problem is, it's "X-Pac Heat". They just want him out of the fucking ring as quickly as possible, because he absolutely sucks.
I'm a huge fan of "El Patron": his look, his skills, his extravagant rides, his kickass music, etc, so I may be biased, but I have to dispute
the above.
Really, X-Pac Heat for del Rio? I highly doubt that. When he cashed in MITB at Summerslam, the place exploded. As williamssl put it, "you'd
think a face was cashing in". Granted, it was a Hispanic-heavy crowd, but still.
If the guy was getting genuine X-Pac Heat or even apathy from the live audience on a week-in/week-out basis, I doubt he'd be placed this
high up on the card. He connects with the crowd, and not in the X-Pac Heat-getting kinda way.
I'd rather see World Champion Alberto del Rio than the any of these guys, just to name a few:
- John "everything i say sounds fake" Cena
- Randy "i cut my promos in 'methodical' monotone" Orton
- ditto Jack Swagger
- ditto Cody Rhodes
- Miz, because I think he sounds too "actor-y"
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And I'm not trying to be a dick, but can you please explain how you thought he belonged with the top guys? He couldn't hang on the
mic worth a damn. All he could do was smile that big shit eating grin the whole time.
His "inability" to keep up with Punk/Cena promo-wise may be a language-barrier issue, in that he may know what to say/how to retort, but he
can't communicate it well in English, so most of the time, he fumbles the line or just grins and says nothing. I notice that same thing when he
does guest commentary, in that when asked a question, sometimes, he defers to the heel commentator to defend him.
Based on his mannerisms and facial expressions, I think the guy is a natural wise-ass, so I don't think his "inability" to hang on the mic is
due to a lack of personality, but an inability to express himself effectively in English as he would in Spanish.
[Edit for formatting and to say gooker and I have the same thoughts regarding this supposed but, in reality, non-existant "X-Pac Heat"]
[Edited on 8-23-2011 by joerizal]
my av is a burger.
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OOMike
Man of a Thousand Holds
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^^^ Which makes me wonder an interesting thought.... what if he cut a promo in mostly Spanish? Lacing it with remarks like "Speaking a manly
language" or such. Or would it backfire and cause apathy from the crowd?
The movie "Idiocracy" was really a documentary.
Never let the facts interfere with a good rant.
The only OO columnist that has never written a column.
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carlitos coconut
Man of a Thousand Holds 
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My problem with the opening segment was that it felt like the three of them were just talking in circles. One person would make a valid logical point
and then another would ignore that and repeat themselves- it seemed so lazy.
Example: Punk explains why he should get the first title shot (he beat Cena twice and he lost to ADR- not Cena) Then Cena just shouts about how he
should get the title shot anyway, completely ignoring what Punk said
Punk calmly explains how ADR cashing in on him was smart and he would've done the same if it were him. Hell, he has done it before twice. Then
at the end of the promo, ADR accosts Punk for whining and crying that he beat him. NO, he wasn't whining at all.
These immediate continuity issues were just so frustrating.
Life's like a movie, write your own ending, keep believing, keep pretending- The Muppets
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EricOMac
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This will probably come off the wrong way, but sometimes, I think people here just shit on something because it's not what they want. Last
week's Raw had Mysterio vs. ADR and it wasn't a 5 star classic, but it was a good match in my opinion, despite Rey's limitation.
Last week on Smackdown, ADR and Daniel Bryan had a really good match. Last night, ADR and Morrison had a good match. If this was CM Punk doing it, it
would be the best thing ever. But because he's ADR he OMG sucks.
I don't really care for ADR that much, but to say he just awful is incorrect in my opinion. I think he's done a good job as champion so
far, and I'm looking forward to his match with Cena, simply because I think it will be good wrestling. But I guess I shouldn't think that
because Cena sucks too.
Anyways, carry on.
VOTE!
"Whoa, whoa, timeout. Lemme get this straight, you know her, she knows you, but she wants to EAT him ... AND EVERYBODY'S OK WITH THIS??? DID I
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mooseheadjack
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it couldn't be that there are some of us that just really think ADR is not very good, right? No, just shitting on it for the sake of shitting
on it is a MUCH more valid reason
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- Fuck you Moose. The worst part about it is that you are right. I fucking hate when you're right. - Metallikid
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gobbledygooker
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quote:
Originally posted by EricOMac
This will probably come off the wrong way, but sometimes, I think people here just shit on something because it's not what they want. Last
week's Raw had Mysterio vs. ADR and it wasn't a 5 star classic, but it was a good match in my opinion, despite Rey's limitation.
Last week on Smackdown, ADR and Daniel Bryan had a really good match. Last night, ADR and Morrison had a good match. If this was CM Punk doing it, it
would be the best thing ever. But because he's ADR he OMG sucks.
I don't really care for ADR that much, but to say he just awful is incorrect in my opinion. I think he's done a good job as champion so
far, and I'm looking forward to his match with Cena, simply because I think it will be good wrestling. But I guess I shouldn't think that
because Cena sucks too.
Anyways, carry on.
You beat me to it. And not to pile on Moose (though it sure is fun), but if you're saying that none of ADR vs. Rey, ADR vs. Bryan, or ADR vs.
Morrison were at least "good"...your viewpoint is just completely clouded by your hatred for all things Del Rio.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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mooseheadjack
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I almost never watch SD, so I didn't see ADR vs. Bryan, maybe it was good I don't know. I do know that his matches on RAW against Rey and
Morrison were average matches at best, certainly not what I would expect from someone who is the world champion. There is nothing at all about ADR
that screams champion to me, not his repetitive promos, not his look, not his ringwork, nothing. I am not saying he sucks, or CAN'T wrestle,
just that, to me, he appears to be a very serviceable mid-carder, not the world champion
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- And Moose, seriously, shut the fuck up. - DSop
- Fuck you Moose. The worst part about it is that you are right. I fucking hate when you're right. - Metallikid
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mastermind
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I thought ADR vs Edge was overall the best match at Wrestlemania. Triple H vs Taker would be my #2.
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EricOMac
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With you Moose, I think once you have an opinion, then your mind is made up and there's never any changing it. I just think you hated ADR when
he debuted last year. No, he hasn't been the best thing ever in the ring. Yes, sometimes he can have bad matches. He's basically like
every wrestler ever. Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's bad. But to say you've never seen him have a match that you would deem good
just tells me you are just really committed to not liking him. And if it's not him, it's someone else.
I can't speak for everyone, but it does seem that it's not EVERYONE who hates Del Rio. It really seems like half of the people hate him
and half of the people like him. The difference is, the ones who like him are deemed as the WWE fanboys (yeah, I'm not going to spell it with an
I) so their opinion is discredited.
But I've had this general attitude towards the WWE (and all of wrestling) for a few years now. If I think its good, I'll tune in. If I
don't think it's good, then I'll tune out for a few weeks. Maybe it's because I've just really stopped having any hope
of wrestling ever being as good as it was ten years ago, but I don't NEED to watch wrestling every week. It's stopped becoming must-see
for me, regardless of quality. I started to watch again the past two months because I've enjoyed the CM Punk story, but I've continued
watching because I've enjoyed other things about it, and that includes Del Rio's matches. But the moment I feel like it's terrible
again, I'll stop watching. It's that easy for me and I hate it's not that easy for everyone who constantly hates everything that
happens on Raw.
But, then again, I remember about four months ago, everyone was done with the WWE when Orton beat Christian two nights after he won the World Title.
But Orton's put on some good matches over that time frame too, but no one should admit that because it's fun to hate on Orton too.
anyways, you can keep continue hating Alberto Del Rio. I'm glad you have an opinion on the matter. But please don't pass off everything
you are saying as pure fact.
VOTE!
"Whoa, whoa, timeout. Lemme get this straight, you know her, she knows you, but she wants to EAT him ... AND EVERYBODY'S OK WITH THIS??? DID I
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mastermind
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The guy only has one eye and hasn't seen half of Del Rio's matches. What kind of credibility does he have?
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mooseheadjack
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see, that's what I love about OO, if I criticize the WWE, or ADR or anything, I just hate WWE and have an irrational hatred of EVERYTHING! My
opinion is NOT VALID! Couldn't be any truth to it at all. I never said it was FACT that ADR sucked, I said I think he sucks. Opinions vary,
if you like him, hey, good on you. I disagree.
As for never changing my opinion, fine, whatever. Here you go, Truth has become less awful than he has ever been in his career. Wait, what is that?
Moose changed his opinion on something? SHOCKING!
And I am really sick of the "if you don't like it, stop watching it!" argument. You can live without wrestling, good for you. I have been
watching it on Monday nights for the better part of 30 years now. It's a habit. I would LOVE for wrestling to be good again, so I keep tuning
in. I would like to SEE it get good when it happens, and not have to flock to it the week after. So I watch it, and I generally dislike it, and I
voice my dislike. Kind of like how some people watch it, like it, and voice what they like about it.
I have really tried to not throw around the whole WWE Fanboy thing, but damn, it seems like whenever you have a negative opinion of WWE around here,
its not that there is any merit to your complaint at all, its just that you are pigeonholed as a WWE hater.
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- And Moose, seriously, shut the fuck up. - DSop
- Fuck you Moose. The worst part about it is that you are right. I fucking hate when you're right. - Metallikid
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mastermind
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Naaah, you're wrong. Here's the million dollar question - why, when one person stops by (can't remember the kids name) that had
something negative to say about CM Punk, he's instantly and irrevocably labeled a "troll" - but you guys can drop inflammatory one-sentence
diss jobs and not get the same treatment? (I'm glad you expanded your thoughts in the following posts though).
Agree with you on the "stop watching wrestling" bit though. That's truth.
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williamssl
Steers and Queers 
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I don't like Mexicans.
Don't Mess With Texas
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EricOMac
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It's also very opposite, Moose. If you love anything the WWE does, you are labeled a WWE fan boy. I can see where you are coming from. But
I'm not really calling you a WWE hater. Just someone who hates. A lot. Some, hell, even a lot at some points, is justified hate though.
But as someone who tries to avoid posting in the wrestling section of this board, I'd really hate it if you'd lump me in as someone who is
in either category (WWE Hater or WWE Fanboi).
Can we at least all agree that letting CM Punk feud with Kevin Nash in 2011 isn't a very smart thing? I don't really mind that CM Punk
isn't the center of the program, because unless your name is Cena or Orton, you don't get to stay in the main event for ever. I would at
least rather him feud with someone I think he can put on good matches with though.
VOTE!
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