CM Crunk
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I have to agree with The Goon here, because while I understand some of it, I just don't get all of the Del Rio hate around these parts. I have
no problem with his work in the ring, but I do understand the criticisms of his mic work. "My name is Albert Del Rio..." is a great heat magnet of
an opening line, but everything else after that falls flat, and lets face it; His promos reek of lazy writer monkey bullshit. Destiny, destiny,
besmirch city in which the show is taking place, destiny, destiny, blah blah blah. It's boring.
He was pretty much out of his element with Punk and Cena. Outside of his trademark bits on the mic, he seems to get flustered. At this point I think
he could get outclassed in a face to face confrontation on the mic by Jumpin' Jeff Farmer. Or Trent Barretta.
My big problem was that he was pretty much an afterthought in the opening promo, taking the backseat to Punk and Cena, and normally I'd be
thankful for that, but due to questionable booking decisions--HE'S THE CHAMPION. The champ should never be an afterthought, and while he's
logged a couple of decisive victories and has looked strong in the process, I still think he should be chasing the title, or waiting in the wings to
cash in his MiTB. He shouldn't be sharing screen time with Punk and Cena.
I like ADR, I do. I think he has a natural charisma that helps him hang with the main-eventers (and which probably helped with his uber-push.) He has
a quality that makes it easy do believe him being a upper midcarder, and now a main eventer. His body language and reactions are typically spot-on,
hell, just watch him after the fan threw Cena's shirt back.
But his hackneyed mic work and the shoehorning of his character into the middle of what is/was the hottest story line in years is only shining a
spotlight on his shortcomings. I think a good portion of the fans are resenting him right now, and not for the proper reasons. Hence the "X-Pac
heat" accusations. Give him time, I'm sure everyone here'll be salivating over his pito a year or two from now.
That being said, I was thoroughly entertained by his match with JoMo. Morrison looked strong throughout, which made me happy because I've been a
fan since the Tough Enough days. Shame about the whole cuckolding thing. I think the whip into the ring post should be his regular setup for the Royal
Armbar.
Also, one last rambling comment. Am I the only one who was more irritated with Lawler than Cole last night?
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mooseheadjack
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Ok we can agree that Kevin Nash is worthless and Punk is completely wasted in any kind of program with him at all. See, common ground!
As for the guy that came in here spouting off about Punk, he was SO over the top with things, he just REALLY appeared to be trolling for responses.
You can not like Punk, you can hate the direction of the WWE all you want, but when you come in trying to get a response like that, you are going to
be labeled a troll more times than not
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OOMike
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I don't like Mexicans.
I hate Texans.... that don't live in Texas
ETA: Nevermind I hate the ones in Texas too.
[Edited on 8-23-2011 by OOMike]
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blackdragon
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Well, I hate guys that hate Texans.
I'm in a weird position. Like Moose, I want to be around when stuff gets awesome, but like Eric, I don't mind not watching if things
don't look to have improved. I routinely dose off during Raw (and as of late, it tends to coincide with after Punk has done his thing) and even
reading the comments, I rarely feel like I missed anything because I'm jaded and don't think I can enjoy your average Raw match no matter
how much praise it gets here.
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Jumbie
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I don't think Cena FU-ing Punk was heelish. The camera didn't catch the good angle. In the background, you could see that Cena got up
from being floored by the roundhouse AFTER Punk was distracted, and Cena was kinda woozy til he saw Punk right in front of him and pounced.
I have to agree with del Rio seeming half a second behind with the promo with Cena and Punk and it seemed a clear case of translation lag.
If I remember correctly, del Rio said in an interview that he only learned English in the last few years.
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diablo_dor
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| posted on 8-23-2011 at 04:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by EricOMac
Can we at least all agree that letting CM Punk feud with Kevin Nash in 2011 isn't a very smart thing? I don't really mind that CM Punk
isn't the center of the program, because unless your name is Cena or Orton, you don't get to stay in the main event for ever. I would at
least rather him feud with someone I think he can put on good matches with though.
Here is the problem, Punk is not going to be in the WWE title match during this next PPV cycle despite the fact he has freshened the damn show up by
claiming the Title signified he was the "Best in the World" remember he has won the title twice since this began and not had a single title defence
during that time.
Who exactly could he feud with on the current roster that wouldn't be considered the single biggest drop to mid card since Jericho was left off
the Backlash PPV?
I know there are guys he could have better matches with, top of the list is the Cardboard Melina that Daddy Ryder is probably finished with but people
have it in their head that Nash is some iconic interviewee and amazing with a live mic, I think they needed someone "outside" who have "HHHistory"
and despite the fact I've never rated Nash as much in the ring the Jacknife is a great game changer of a finish (That Pun wasn't
intended)
I was thinking, if the King of Trios 2011 reports are correct, why not have Nash claim he wants Punk in a Streetfight only to have X-pac return to
handle the actual workload of the match?
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joerizal
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| posted on 8-23-2011 at 04:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by OOMike
^^^ Which makes me wonder an interesting thought.... what if he cut a promo in mostly Spanish? Lacing it with remarks like "Speaking a manly
language" or such. Or would it backfire and cause apathy from the crowd?
It would probably get a lot of "WHAT?"chants.
In general, if the promo is short, I'd think you'd hear mostly boos, similar to when Vladimir Kozlov was starting out and he would cut his
"I love Double Double E" promos from the crowd.
But if the promo was long, towards the end, you'd probably hear crickets.
IMO, some wrestlers need direction in cutting promos, especially in this age where everything on TV is produced so tight, unlike the old days where
you could just ramble in front of a live crowd. But I'm not saying to script the hell out of everything like they've been doing these past
couple of years before the Punk saga.
Punk obviously is better if you let him loose on the mic. But for someone like del Rio whose main language is Spanish, the writers would probably be
better off giving him an explanation of how they want the promo to go and feeding him some direct lines to go with it.
del Rio's promo this past Smackdown was an improvement over his promo on Raw. The most noticeable thing to me was when he used "my friends"
instead of "guys" when referencing the audience. "My friends" sounds more formal, more akin to how royalty addresses their subjects.
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JB KING
 
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
I don't like Mexicans.
When you live in SoCal, everyone gets tired of them :/
Cept, the women. They could fuck start a truck.
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williamssl
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What the hell is up with Kevin Nash�s moustache�the moustache portion of his goatee?
He�s got this gaping space between his nose and where the �stache begins.
And it hasn�t always been that way.
Is that intentional�he�s shaving that part?
The result of plastic surgery and face lifts over the years a la Kenny Rogers?
Don't Mess With Texas
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Chris Is Good517
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I don't hate ADR. I don't even really dislike him.
My issue with him is the 2004-Orton push he's getting. It isn't organic at all, AND it's convoluted (note that I didn't say
"ruined" ) a really good story with Punk, just because WWE has decided that we WILL buy ADR as a top dog. It took them five years of force-feeding
us Orton to get most of us to finally quit digging in our heels and accept him as a main eventer (and there's still a ton of negative backlash
against him for that, mainly because of lingering resentment of having him shoved down everyone's throats [and also because his talent is still
passable at best]) and with ADR being in his mid-thirties, they don't have that kind of time with him.
They want a huge Mexican star. I get that, and I applaud it. But the answer isn't bringing in one guy and spending all their time and energy
convincing a crowd that isn't buying it "hey, it's this guy." Bring in a bunch of guys from Mexico, and let things happen
naturally.
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joerizal
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
Bring in a bunch of guys from Mexico, and let things happen naturally.
I'm all for the return of Savio Vega. Who's with me?
*Yes, I know he's from Puerto Rico. Don't ruin my joy.
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CM Crunk
rOOkie
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I'm just going to quietly mark out while I watch CM Punk vs. Super Shredder on PPV.
Not Nash.
Super Shredder.
I should also mention that I fully intend on taking up acid to enjoy the payoff to this feud.
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CM Crunk
rOOkie
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quote:
I'm all for the return of Savio Vega. Who's with me?
I'd love to see his "jalepeno pepper pickin' ass" back.
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blackdragon
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Does that mean Punk would win when Super Shredder collaspes the ring onto himself?
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gobbledygooker
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See, I don't think Del Rio's been force-fed to the audience at all. You've got people like me (and many others out there) who have
been on the ADR bandwagon since he actually debuted (though not during those excruciating skits they ran prior to his debut). He's toiled up
the ranks for the past year. It's not like Carlito winning the US Title in his debut match. It's obvious that WWE has always had big
plans for the guy with his big entrance with the cars, his own ring announcer (a concept I LOVE and which is played to perfection by Ricardo), the
"aristocratic" vibe. I guess I just don't really get the "surprised" vibe that I get around here, like nobody could've foreseen the
possibility of him winning the belt. Like he's just some chump off the street who started wrestling last week and is now the world champion.
What I can see is how the manner in which he won it provides anger, considering he took out IWC golden boy Punk in the process. But it was
only a matter of time until he became champ. And I would've been fine with it happening six months ago.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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Warrior
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I don't like AdR because he's not a hot Latina or a hot Asian babe.
*Brought to you by "Sarcasm is us".
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CM Crunk
rOOkie
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quote:
Originally posted by blackdragon
Does that mean Punk would win when Super Shredder collaspes the ring onto himself?
Well, that'd be the creative thing for WWE to do. But let's be honest, John Laurinaitis'll probably get involved, and you know
he'll waffle Punk in the head with a TGRI canister leading to Super Shredder's win. After cracking Punk in the skull with the canister,
the contents of the canister will leak into Laurinaitis' hands. As everyone knows, the effects of ooze (or mutagen) will turn the victim into an
amalgam of the last thing they were in contact with, and their current state.
So now we have CM Punk feuding with a suit-wearing anthropomorphic Vince McMahon taint who knows a thing or two about skateboarding (cowabunga) facing
off in a halfpipe challenge at Hell in a Cell.
Typical writer monkey bullshit.
[edited for there/their mix up]
[Edited on 8-23-2011 by CM Crunk]
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gobbledygooker
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
What the hell is up with Kevin Nash�s moustache�the moustache portion of his goatee?
He�s got this gaping space between his nose and where the �stache begins.
And it hasn�t always been that way.
Is that intentional�he�s shaving that part?
The result of plastic surgery and face lifts over the years a la Kenny Rogers?
I really like your breakdown here. And I think it's pretty obvious. He had some sort of head and/or face elongation procedure.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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mooseheadjack
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quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
See, I don't think Del Rio's been force-fed to the audience at all. You've got people like me (and many others out there) who have
been on the ADR bandwagon since he actually debuted (though not during those excruciating skits they ran prior to his debut). He's toiled up
the ranks for the past year. It's not like Carlito winning the US Title in his debut match. It's obvious that WWE has always had big
plans for the guy with his big entrance with the cars, his own ring announcer (a concept I LOVE and which is played to perfection by Ricardo), the
"aristocratic" vibe. I guess I just don't really get the "surprised" vibe that I get around here, like nobody could've foreseen the
possibility of him winning the belt. Like he's just some chump off the street who started wrestling last week and is now the world champion.
What I can see is how the manner in which he won it provides anger, considering he took out IWC golden boy Punk in the process. But it was
only a matter of time until he became champ. And I would've been fine with it happening six months ago.
He was brought in, what, about a year ago? I think he has won pretty much every feud he has had, and he is the world champion. How is that NOT
forcing him down our throats? Orton got the same treatment, Vince decided you WILL like him, and Randy couldn't lose, and had the world title
in no time after the push started. Before him, Austin got the same push, shoved down our throats, you WILL love him. Same with Rock. Granted, the
last two were massively over, but they were also shoved down everyone's throat.
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Froggie
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quote:
Originally posted by mooseheadjack
Ok we can agree that Kevin Nash is worthless and Punk is completely wasted in any kind of program with him at all. See, common ground!
Lets hope Punk is strong enough to lift "Big Lazy" Kevin Splash up for the GTS and completely squashes him at the next PPV!! That's the only
value this program has
Of all of the dumb things Dixie Carter and Impact Wrestling have done, letting Nash go to WWE and spread his political cancers there I think was one
of the smartest...for all of the selfish and self-serving things Nash has done in his career he deserves to be wrestling on small indy shows! Why
Vince McMahon would take him back is completely mind boggling.
"...Best There Ever Will Be!!"
-When WWE jobbed first time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Christian out to Randy Orton and turned him heel when he (Christian) was arguably the most
over babyface on the roster and having great matches with everyone on the card, it was at that exact moment that WWE jumped the shark!!
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JB KING
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If punk can lift JBL then he shouldn't have too much trouble with Nash
By comparison JBL and Nash are about the same weight. Nash is only a few inches bigger than JBL and depending on how stiff he gets Punk should be able
to take it.
ETA: Holy shit how homoerotic did THAT just sound?
[Edited on 8-23-2011 by JB KING]
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C.MontgomeryPunk
Man of a Thousand Holds 
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Del Rio is 34 years old, there is no time to slow build with him. He's not some developmental, even if he is a completely new character.
He's a ten year pro from Mexico, also worth noting he was a face for almost all ten years. Then he heads to wwe developmental for a year.
Is he getting pushed too quickly, maybe. I would have gave him the title at WM. However with Mysterio out for months again (might not make it back
for WM) having another knee surgery and with Sin Cara having all sorts of problems, the wwe needs a Mexican/Latino draw. They're looking for
the Mexico live Raw to mint ADR as that person. They want him to get all the press in the weeks before it in Mexico, the first Mexican born wwe
champion.
Regarding last night's opening segment - I think Punk f'd it up. I suspect he and Cena are given wide latitiude with their parts, given
general points what they need to get across while Del Rio is given more of a straight word-for-word script. Punk going straight to "hey I
don't mind you cashing it in" sort of left ADR hung out to dry when he didn't get there yet and didn't know to ad lib it out or
something.
I would have left him on SD! for another year - I think they had a better feel in how he should be handled.
I hate the JBL-esque car entrance. I'm tiring on Ricardo Rodriguez, but know he's a pretty decent worker so want to see if he's
ever forced into action and allowed to be proficient much to everybodies surprise.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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Beer Baron
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quote:
Originally posted by JB KING
Cept, the women. They could fuck start a truck.
Agreed.
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punkerhardcore
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I liked the huge "Eat Shit Logan" sign that actually made it onto TV.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
Come participate in the Career Deadpool 2012! All suggestions/discussions are
welcome.
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the goon
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quote:
Originally posted by JB KING
ETA: Holy shit how homoerotic did THAT just sound?
You just gave me my new profile signature.
quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Del Rio is 34 years old, there is no time to slow build with him. He's not some developmental, even if he is a completely new character.
He's a ten year pro from Mexico, also worth noting he was a face for almost all ten years. Then he heads to wwe developmental for a
year.
That's always kind of been my view and why I've never had a problem with Del Rio's push (which I still don't think is nearly
as bad as some say). This isn't some guy that's green as hell being given the WWE title in two months. Del Rio (and his family) have been
in the business for a long time, so I don't think ten years in the business, plus 14 months in the WWE, is too fast to make it to the WWE
title.
EDIT: Because I forgot to add that C.MontgomeryPunk may have a late entrant in the "Avatar of the Year" race.
[Edited on 8-23-2011 by the goon]
Nash is only a few inches bigger than JBL and depending on how stiff he gets Punk should be able to take it. -JB King, meant in a totally non-sexual
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