punkerhardcore
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| posted on 10-24-2011 at 09:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
I also thought that was some VERY convenient timing when the vet's daughter come riding from out of nowhere and takes out the walker. How did
she find the group?
Yeah, that was a bit of an eyeroll moment, but the show is so good, I'm willing to forgive little things like that.
Also, speaking of that scene... the group is fighting off a zombie, and this chick just swoops in on a horse out of nowhere, and within 20 seconds
tells them the kid was shot, to go to their house and then she's gone. Talk about a complete, "what the shit just happened" moment for them.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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CreativeInternetAliass
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| posted on 10-24-2011 at 10:23 PM |
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The best part about that scene was Glenn describing it to Dale later as "Andrea was getting attacked by a walker, and this chick just rode up on a
horse like zorro and took him out."
He seemed pretty impressed by her arrival, but that may be because she is the first female close to his age that they have seen in a while.
I remember Lucky Lopez.
dev are you going to give me your address or do i have to check the registered sex offender data base (Firewoman trying to set up a three way meet on
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DevilSoprano
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| posted on 10-24-2011 at 10:26 PM |
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Well, the reason Andrea wants to kill herself is because she doesn't want to end up like her sister. Defending herself against the Walker
attacks make perfect sense. She's in the situation where she'd like to have control over how she dies, but the Walkers and Dale
aren't giving her that choice and control. I do hope this leads to Andrea in the TV show becoming more like Andrea in the comic book because
right now, I kinda hate her and she's one of my faves in the comics.
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happy_buddha
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| posted on 10-24-2011 at 10:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris Is Good517
quote:
Originally posted by happy_buddha
SHANE DIES??????
In the comic book he did, but I think the show has already progressed past the point in the comics where that happened, which is why Dev was making
that analogy.
Yeah, I know, I was just being an ass 
I've actually been reading the book for a while- a friend of mine letters must of Kirkman's stuff and sent me a goodie box shortly after
they started it.
Bastard won't leak anything, though!
What do Sherri Martel and George Clooney have in common?
They both got screwed by Stacy Keibler.
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salmonjunkie
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I don't see Andrea as suicidal. When she wanted to stay at CDC, she was, but in the sense that she wanted to go out "her way", not to be
ripped apart by the walkers, and certainly not to become a walker. She explains that to Dale. Dale is now taking that as her being suicidal (as does
T-Dog and possibly some others), and is using that as the reason to not let her have the gun. But I don't think she necessarily wants to kill
herself by a self-inflicted gunshot wound either.
Personally, I think he�s a [freaking homosexual].
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salmonjunkie
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
I do hope this leads to Andrea in the TV show becoming more like Andrea in the comic book because right now, I kinda hate her and she's one of
my faves in the comics.
I agree
Personally, I think he�s a [freaking homosexual].
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the goon
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| posted on 10-26-2011 at 05:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CreativeInternetAliass
The best part about that scene was Glenn describing it to Dale later as "Andrea was getting attacked by a walker, and this chick just rode up on a
horse like zorro and took him out."
That's the one thing that kind of saved that scene for me, in that it was made fun of a little by Glenn. Otherwise, I did find it a bit
unintentionally funny the way the chick rode in on her horse, killed a zombie, and rode off with Lori all in about ten seconds.
And since it appears to be fair game discussing Shane dying in the comics, I've been waiting this whole time for him to die in the TV series
(under at least slightly different circumstances than in the comic at this point obviously), but now I'm beginning to abandon that. Hell, the
guy might make it all the way to the end of the series.
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salmonjunkie
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I'm thinking he either makes it to the end of the series, or dies very heroically. Definitely not in the way he did in the comic.
[Edited on 10-26-2011 by salmonjunkie]
Personally, I think he�s a [freaking homosexual].
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OOMike
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| posted on 10-26-2011 at 04:24 PM |
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For those of us who have not read the comic, how does he die in the comic?
If you want to prevent spoilage, please just send it via u2u.
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Paddlefoot
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| posted on 10-26-2011 at 10:15 PM |
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SPOILERZ about what happened the comic book:
By issue #5 Shane was becoming more obsessed and unbalanced over losing Lori. Dale had previously warned Rick that something was wrong with Shane but
Rick didn't believe it. In issue #6 Shane and Rick went hunting in the woods. They got into an argument over what the group should do next; Rick
wanted to hit the road but Shane wanted to stay in the area and wait for some government/military help to arrive; this was just after the nighttime
zombie attack where Amy got killed. Shane blew up, beat up Rick, and was going to blow him away with a shotgun. Turns out that Carl had followed them
and when he saw Shane getting ready to pull the trigger on his dad he pulled a handgun that Rick had given to him and shot Shane through the neck with
it.
Shane makes another "appearance" a dozen or so issues later, but I'm not going to comment on that just yet. Or at least not until after epsode
three this Sunday, because the upcoming show has an important scene in it that involves the changing nature of death in TWD world.
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Chris Is Good517
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| posted on 10-31-2011 at 05:50 AM |
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Speaking of Shane... holy heel turn, Batman. I'm starting to think Shane in the series might be headed down the same path as Shane in the
comics.
Gee, I wish I was still alive- LuckyLopez R.I.P.
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CreativeInternetAliass
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| posted on 10-31-2011 at 11:26 AM |
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No shit, I had just commented to my friend how amazingly sympathetic shane had become on the show, and then boom, he pulls that move. Plus that last
scene of him looking in the mirror just had him full of all kinds of crazy eyes.
Also I continue to find it hilarious that Daryl is the only character that seems to keep a positive outlook. His constant "what is wrong with you
people" line makes me chuckle.
I remember Lucky Lopez.
dev are you going to give me your address or do i have to check the registered sex offender data base (Firewoman trying to set up a three way meet on
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gobbledygooker
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| posted on 10-31-2011 at 06:13 PM |
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Shane is ripped.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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salmonjunkie
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| posted on 10-31-2011 at 06:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
Shane is ripped.
I guess there's no shortage of Muscle Milk during the zombie apocalypse.
So Shane's move - an evil dick move or a survival tactic? Or both?
Personally, I think he�s a [freaking homosexual].
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gobbledygooker
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| posted on 10-31-2011 at 06:56 PM |
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I think it was both. They mentioned on Talking Dead (which I'm sure we're all watching) that, if he was going to kill Otis, why
didn't he just shoot him in the head and make it more humane but the conventional wisdom is that the zombies wouldn't have gone after him
if he was just lying there dead.
Damn, that was a great episode. Probably my favorite of the season. I liked the Andrea/Darryl team-up. And son of a bitch, Andrea was bringing it
with the hotness this week.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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OOMike
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I agree it was both, which when mentioned to my wife, she got pissed and told me that if I would do something like that "You are not the man I
thought you were" So I guess I will have to lean toward dick move.
As for his character, I just mentioned how I was starting to like Shane, well can't go supporting the killing of the slow fat guy, since I am a
slow fat guy.
That does move Daryl up to the top of my fave character list, of course, "that is not worth an arrow."
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salmonjunkie
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How about if you add the element that your own survival meant Carl's survival as well? He did take the time to grab the medical supplies off of
Otis before he left him to the zombies.
Personally, I think he�s a [freaking homosexual].
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DevilSoprano
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| posted on 10-31-2011 at 09:53 PM |
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I think that's the key point when you look at the episode as a whole. When Shane got stuck against the fence by himself and looked like he was
gonna die, it was almost where he accepted that outcome because he had done everything he could up til that point. When he shot Otis, I don't
think it had anything to do with his own survival but he knew that if he had to stay with Otis, they were both dead and therefore Carl was dead too.
It's a dick move without a doubt, but a necessary one in the new world that they're living in and Shane & Darryl are probably the only
ones who make that choice.
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Paddlefoot
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| posted on 10-31-2011 at 10:01 PM |
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In the comic Rick, and Carl too BTW, have done a few things themselves that are not too different from what Shane did last night on the TV version.
Kirkman's been pretty diligent on hammering home the concept that certain ethics and moral are kind of impossible to maintain in an apocalyptic
survivalist environment. Gotta give the TV version some credit to for making Otis into a more significant character over two episodes than he ever was
in his half-dozen or so appearances in the comic book.
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Stu
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| posted on 10-31-2011 at 10:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
When he shot Otis, I don't think it had anything to do with his own survival but he knew that if he had to stay with Otis, they were both dead
and therefore Carl was dead too. It's a dick move without a doubt, but a necessary one in the new world that they're living in and Shane &
Darryl are probably the only ones who make that choice.
Except the same outcome could have been achieved if Shane had just elected to stop and run at the zombie horde. Otis may be a slow fat man, but
Shane's a slow injured man with less to live for, and Otis seemed to be the more mobile of the two, as it was him who was dragging Shane along,
not the other way around. Shane seemed to be fine with being left behind earlier, in a moment of hopelesness, but when he recognised that he could
save Carl and come out of it alive himself, he made the choice to sacrifice Otis.
Darryl continues to be great, though couldn't he have just removed the arrow for reuse? I like the background they've been providing for
him and the continuing impression that he's not really like his brother at all, simply because he's got more sense, but still has to be
somewhat loyal to him out of family.
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southermagu
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It was a dick move, pure and simple. But Shane has been justifying being a dick for "the right reasons" for some time now.
This, however, was the one he couldn't justify.
And as far as what Rick has done in the comics, I think we are seeing Kirkman subvert that. In the comic book world, it's easy to be all
"Captain America" and give speeches about morality and justice.
In Kirkman's comic, he averted that. Rick didn't always do what could be considered right, but he pretty much always did it for the right
reasons.
In television, you can't really have the kind of character that Kirkman averted in the comic. What was done there is what we've
come to expect from our live action entertainment, so we've been given this altered version of Rick.
That makes Shane neccessary as a character: We all know what Rick would have done in that situation. Shane on the other hand? I doubt we will ever
be able to confindently say what choices he might make form here forwards.
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Paddlefoot
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Two nitpicks:
1) The zombies are still moving too fast; this bothers me.
2) No one, especially when running away and firing behind them, is that accurate with a handgun from any distance. Years of being lied to TV and films
might say otherwise, but any accuracy at all with a handgun is a damn hard skill to master. Even most police have trouble with it, which is why
they're trained to shoot at the centre-mass of the torso. This stuff that occasionally comes up when some mental case with an axe or whatever
gets killed by the police and then the puppet gallery in the media starts whining "why didn't they shoot him in the leg instead?"
doesn't get it. Hitting extremities (head, legs, arms) with a handgun is incredibly fucking difficult to accomplish, so pegging off zombies with
easy accuracy (especially when being chased by a large pack of them) would be next to impossible for almost anyone. And that includes, as already
mentioned, the majority of cops.
Rant over. Tuesday is my own personal complainy day.
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I downloaded the soundtrack to "Song of the South," and it's 45 minutes of whipcracks, women pleading "please, no," and people screaming.
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When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? - John Maynard Keynes
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Stu
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
2) No one, especially when running away and firing behind them, is that accurate with a handgun from any distance. Years of being lied to TV and films
might say otherwise, but any accuracy at all with a handgun is a damn hard skill to master. Even most police have trouble with it, which is why
they're trained to shoot at the centre-mass of the torso. This stuff that occasionally comes up when some mental case with an axe or whatever
gets killed by the police and then the puppet gallery in the media starts whining "why didn't they shoot him in the leg instead?"
doesn't get it. Hitting extremities (head, legs, arms) with a handgun is incredibly fucking difficult to accomplish, so pegging off zombies with
easy accuracy (especially when being chased by a large pack of them) would be next to impossible for almost anyone. And that includes, as already
mentioned, the majority of cops.
Well they were shooting at a horde of zombies. They were bound to hit SOMETHING, and maybe they were aiming for a completely different zombie than the
one whose head they hit? 
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punkerhardcore
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My only other nitpick is how Shane showed up right at the EXACT moment they were gonna start the operation. Would have been much more gruesome if
they'd already sliced Carl open before he'd arrived with all the supplies.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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