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Subject: OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for: RAW (August 29, 2011)
the goon
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 03:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by mooseheadjack
HHH/Punk will be light years better than Nash/Punk, but that still doesn't mean it will be any good.
The only way it is good is if HHH jobs clean, and I don't see that happening. I hope I am wrong though.
I don't think that's gonna happen either. I'm already predicting Nash interference, with Triple H accidentally "not noticing" it
and picking up the win. I still think it has the potential to be a good match though.
quote:Originally posted by DevilSoprano
It was mentioned in chat...something had to have happened backstage between the powerbomb and the end of the show for that change to happen. Either
Nash tore both his quads or they realized he was completely bombed. There's no way the plan after building the forst hour of the show with Nash
vs Punk that they changed it for no reason.
That's an interesting point, as that last segment with Punk and Triple H did seem kind of tacked on and out of place. Will be curious to see if
there's any fallout on the gossip sites.
And I just basically agreed with moose and Dev in the same post. I will patiently await the coming apocalypse now.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 03:50 AM
Seems that during a commercial, Zack Ryder & Orton filmed a segment for Zack's internet show...
So why would face Orton lay out Zack Ryder, and get cheered?!? Or are they trying to make Zack out to be the douche-bag, and turn him back to a
heel?
[Edited on 8-30-2011 by G-Spot]
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 03:58 AM
Regarding the current storyline - I've thought about the possibility that CM Punk was ultimately in cahoots with Nash. Sure it would be dumb as
hell, but an OMG!SWERVE! where Punk had himself taken out, sacrificing the title because he knew, being a MITB winner himself that it was only a
matter of time anyways, and once he re-signed he didn't need the title as leverage but rather used it, rather used him losing it, to throw
everybody completely off while he hatched his ultimate plot to take out HHH.
Hell, Punk could be in cahoots with Vince McMahon ultimately as Punk came back so easily after HHH took over, maybe Vince made Punk the offer he
couldn't refuse - to take out HHH and wrest power away from him and thus back to Vince McMahon.
Maybe I'm just desperate for Punk to be a heel again. Having him profess he didn't sell out, but rather bought it, and tell the old man
and the snake story would be the pay-ff of him standing beside Vince McMahon and Kevin Nash.
Vince would know that Nash is the ultimate mercenary from his run in WCW, and would know he could play with HHH's emotions using Nash.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 04:01 AM
APB: Anyone seen the top half of Nash's mustache? Still missing after last week's show, it seems.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 04:05 AM
I love ya, CMP, but you went WAY outta the stratosphere on that one.
Though I will say that I think the large majority of the crowd's continued love affair with HHH has slightly muted Punk's effect as a foil
to Hunter since the crowd doesn't want to boo HHH and a large portion of them probably get pissed at Punk talking smack to him. I think
he'll be more effective after HHH's inevitable (hopefully?) turn.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 04:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by the goon
OMG Nash/Punk is going to SUCK!!! Oh wait, it's not happening.
I guess even the WWE realized that was a bad idea. Triple H/Punk has about 100 times more potential to deliver on PPV, even if Triple H's last
match was at WrestleMania. I'm kind of surprised they're already doing it at Night Of Champions though, as Survivor Series seems like it
would be a better time.
It would've been more useful for WWE to either have this payoff earlier in the show, not do the fake out with a Nash Vs. Punk match at all or
put on a compelling enough show that would've kept me watching by the time they pulled the swerve. As it stands, I'd already shut the TV
off and missed it -- not the result they were looking for, I'd imagine.
Kind of annoyed they're putting HHH back in the ring so soon after he said he can't get physical as COO but whatever. Still beats the hell
out of Nash.
You know how reliable that coked-up sack of gay is.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 04:45 AM
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 04:56 AM
I too find it odd that HHH replaced Nash. I was telling my brother I didn't have much interest in Night of Champions, since Nash sucks, but this
piqued it a lot. Nash is going to have a hand in the victor, which should be Punk. I don't buy in completely to C.Montgomery's diatribe,
but I would not put something like that past the WWE. Vince made less sense as the higher power.
I was most surprised that Nash had the biggest pops of the night. I wonder if that had anything to do with it?
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 07:59 AM
I'm no fan of Randy Orton, but damned if that Orton-Ziggler match didn't entertain me.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 08:34 AM
What I love about this show is that Nash turns up with "New" music BEFORE admitting he'd resigned last week, who does he think he is CM
Punk?
I would love to know what happened between the Powerbomb & the end of the show, maybe Nash took so long getting from the ring they realised he'd
never make it during a 3 hour PPV, though once again Punk falls for the "I will walk slowly so you will now forget the people who you were fighting
12 seconds ago" did the Summerslam Powerbomb lead to a concussion angle they forgot to mention?
Fantastic little Orton - Ziggler match pity nothing else even came close, especially the worryingly dull Punk - Miz match.
How weird that it wasn't a big deal ADR was missing from a Supershow he's champ of & Alex Riley gets a video package!
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 01:09 PM
Opening promo? Mostly painful to watch. The wife stuff was old the second time around, and the extended retching was also pretty bad. Might amuse
some of y'all, but not me.
The best thing I can say about any of the matches is that there were few botches, and that Orton finally shaved. Can't put my finger on why
yet, but the show never really grabbed me today.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 01:28 PM
Horrifically empty episode of Raw. Mainly just thrown-together matches and little else. Seems positively absurd to have even CONSIDERED that we were
on the cusp of a 'new and improved' era a month or two ago. I know I feel a tad silly for starting to buy into that possibility.
Can't believe the main event was made via the Teddy Long Special(TM) AGAIN! How many times have WWE employed the '4 guys squabbling...
Leading to authority figure making a tag match out of it' lazy BS?! Must be in the 500s now. And quite telling that Nash, in shoot interviews
etc, used to point out that EXACT move as evidence of how canned and stale Raw is now compared to the hot period (the hot period where creative effort
was expended, for the whole card,) yet now he's back on the payroll in the middle of a show where his criticisms are truer than ever.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 01:36 PM
I think part of the issues with the episode were the "writery" things that tried to add to the story but actually took away.
The dead stop of the opening was a huge issue, remember these are 2 under contract wrestlers who hate each other and were willing to walk up the same
ramp & wait 2 or 3 weeks (I really don't know when it is) for a match.
If instead Nash was called out as a "friend" (what kind of friend expects you to travel to oklahoma anyway?) without Music or video wall and told he
could have a match ONLY if he signed a contract, then when the weird DX ending by HHH happened you could have Punk taunt Nash that he still
couldn't touch him.
Then you have the Powerbomb and JR screaming "He Signed, Kevin Nash has signed a contract & will face Punk at the PPV"
Only to pull the HHH-Austin 2001 reveal that he had refused to sign & had left the building therefore making HHH scrambling for an opponent & now
willing to step in.
Then at the PPV you could claim Nash signed for Johnny Ace at some stage & HHH was kept in the dark.
I would also like to add to the chorus that the Steph jibes are not working, at least the Clique (or Click) references made sense, I do fear Punk may
end up jobbing due to McMahon interference.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 02:03 PM
I don�t see where the comments about �serious Cena� are coming from. It looked like to me that he was out there enjoying himself and having fun.
Pointing out the signs to the camera, talking to the camera on the ramp, acknowledging the fan�s reaction as split, his intensity level for the rant
about ADR seemed about right (if not a little weak considering ADR is a heel, that is what heel�s do). If anything I think that might have been one
of my favorite parts of the shows, because he looked like he was having fun.
On the flip side, I think Punk went about 6 wretches too long with the puke thing�As for Punk/Nash I am a little surprised that they did originally
book it. Punk has directed most of his attacks at HHH, so I figured HHH would eventually stand up to Punk (once Steph approved) and have the match
with him. From what I read (mostly on this site) Nash can�t do a match let alone a 20-30 minute PPV match. My thought at the time was that we were
going to see a tag team HHH/Nash vs. Punk/mystery partner at the PPV. Which could lead to some interesting video where Punk tries to find a partner,
but the stars are worried about pissing off the boss, or resent Punk for holding the title hostage for more money, except for�..Zach Ryder who has
nothing to lose. /fantasy booking
I thought most of the matches were decent to good. Sin Cara still had a botch, the Tag Team title match was just used to fuel yet another opportunity
for Lawler to get in the ring , Miz/Punk was good for the ring psychology that Miz was using targeting Miz�s shoulder, even if the announcers
were too busy defining �striker�, Orton took a beating that will have no bearing on tonight�s chain link fence match, and I am surprised that
Christian stayed around in that tag team match as long as he did, I thought for sure that he would bail when things started to turn against the heels
so he can be ready for the match and soften up Mark Henry, and the divas was basically an excuse to show a taped segment of Beth and Natalya and
remind everyone of twin magic�.
Finally it seemed to me that most of the matches were a good length, no squashes or anything under 5 minutes (except divas I think). I am pretty sure
what I saw last week was the same thing, is the WWE trying to give us decent matches on free-TV?
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 02:05 PM
Not that I'm a fan of Kevin Nash at this point of his career, but when HHH announced he was taking Nash's place at Night of Champions, the
life force completely drained out of my body. If Trips has the best interest of the company at heart, he will lose clean to Punk.
Through the entire mediocrity that was RAW last night, credit to Orton and Ziggler for putting on a damn good match!
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 02:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by Fifth Horseman
I'm no fan of Randy Orton, but damned if that Orton-Ziggler match didn't entertain me.
It really was a terrific little tv match that's going to be completely overlooked because of who was in it. But yeah, it was very good and
I'm really starting to buy into Ziggler as a guy who should at least be flirting with the next level.
Show was pretty bland in a storytelling sense but fairly respectable in the in-ring department. I don't care either way what happened or will
happen with Nash.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 02:26 PM
Before anything else, I'd like to point out that the Ziggler / Orton and Miz / Punk matches were given a SURPRISING amount of time to play out.
I know Rick hates Orton, but that match was fucking greatness. More due to Ziggler than Orton, but Orton did his part very well. That's an
opener for you.
With that said, it's time to play the devil's advocate!
....sort of. I'm not feeling this angle either, but I'm not ready to count Punk down and out. By rushing him back for the quick bucks at
SummerSlam instead of letting him be "social-media Punk" for a little while, they painted themselves into a corner. They solved it with Nash, ADR,
and a whole lot of smoke and mirrors about a text message. Snore, right?
The problem here is, breaking down the backstage walls is what made CM Punk's gimmick hot. Without the self-righteous (but totally justified)
targeting of John Cena's infinity push, there's only so much for him target on a relevant scale. He's proven he's better than
John Cena --- now what? Rant about how underutilized Drew McIntyre is? Be the voice of the voiceless for the depleted tag division? Even if he held
the title, the heat he'd built up from the Cena feud wouldn't carry over to the next opponent. Who could he feud with that would allow him
to voice the concerns of the fans --- not on a personal insult level, but with regards to booking decisions?
Triple H, that's who.
The smarmy, tongue-in-cheek, nancy boy insults were fine as long as the threat of physicality wasn't there, because it was just CM Punk poking
the bear. With the gloves off, Punk has the opportunity to run the gauntlet of all the Triple H booking decisions the fans hated over the years,
including Hunter's own little infinity push from back in the days. Triple H being no slouch on the mic, should more than be able to hold his own
and create the proper buzz for their match with the 3 weeks left 'til NoC. Maybe he'll even knock Punk for banging all the talent. "If
you're against all kinds of drugs, how'd you make that chlamydia go away??".
Honestly, whether he goes over clean or not is irrelevant. Whether these two can build this match into the anti-establishment powerhouse that Punk vs
Cena was, is. I think they've got it in them.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 02:46 PM
WWE.com is hinting at a return of the nWo.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 03:18 PM
For whatever it's worth from Rajah re: Nash.
quote:
Company officials did plan for Nash to wrestle at Night of Champions, however those plans were scrapped after Nash's recent visit to Pittsburgh
for his physicals. While details are still sketchy, something about what the doctors observed made WWE decide against having him work a full match,
even with a seasoned performer like Punk, who could take the majority of the bumps.
It's expected that Kevin Nash will remain part of WWE storylines, perhaps as an enforcer/bodyguard for Triple H, but don't expect to see
him working singles matches any time soon.
The decision for Triple H to wrestle at Night of Champions wasn't made until Monday afternoon.
Had Nash been medically cleared to wrestle at Night of Champions, the plan was for CM Punk to win their match.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 04:12 PM
Odd, because that means they knew before the show. If that's true, they should have done something to help put Punk over, like HHH telling Nash
that Punk would kill him. The way they ended it was just so clunky and odd with no explanation of why HHH (or the board) made the switch.
Also, this medical problem (if true) must be heart condition or something (unless his knee is about to explode). Otherwise he could have just tossed
Punk all over the wing, taken a few kicks to the thigh and gut, maybe one to the head, and tap to the anaconda vice (or, shudder, win with a
powerbomb). No bumping required.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 04:46 PM
"Had Nash been medically cleared to wrestle at Night of Champions, the plan was for CM Punk to win their match. "
I'd fucking hope so.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 04:49 PM
So Nash got music & ballyhoo to introduce him tonight
got to stand in the ring with Punk unable to touch him.
Claim he had a lucrative contract that meant he got paid even if he didn't work
Was booked in a PPV match over 438638158571390 more sensible wrestlers in 2011
Was allowed to question the manliness of the COO
Came out to deliver the heel beatdown during the show.
And they knew he could not actually work a match?
This man is truely a genius.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 05:27 PM
Seriously, if they knew before the show that the match was going to be HHH/Punk the booking of their segments make no sense. The beatdown by Miz/Truth
leading to the jackknife only works if you're building to Nash/Punk as shitty as it would be...that's what the build was for. HHH/Punk
seemingly came out of nowhere for NoC and if that was the plan going into Raw they could have done anything better.
On another note, first...Randy Orton has had a great year in the ring. It's mostly due to his opponents: Punk, Christian, and now Ziggler...but
he's more than held up his end of the bargain in those feuds. And secondly, I'm not sure how out there this opinion might be...but Dolph
Ziggler is the best "wrestler" in the WWE right now and I'm not sure it's even close. He's just brilliant. Selling, psychology,
telling a story in the ring. The only thing I'd love for him to do is find a better finisher than the ZigZag. It's almost as painfully bad
as Starship Pain, but everything else Ziggler does is great.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 05:33 PM
Last year Punk participated in the first non-title match at Night of Champions (Big Show). Looks like he's starting a trend now with this being
second year in a row for him.
re: the brand split - maybe we're headed towards a Wrestlemania of title unifications a year later than originally projected? Keeping both
sets of titles makes no sense if the lines between shows/brands are formally blurred if not gone.
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posted on 8-30-2011 at 05:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by williamssl
re: the brand split - maybe we're headed towards a Wrestlemania of title unifications a year later than originally projected? Keeping both
sets of titles makes no sense if the lines between shows/brands are formally blurred if not gone.
As usual I wasn't paying THAT much attention to the commentary, I thought they were implying Raw was dual brand (sorry, Super) but Smackdown was
still seperate.
Have they officially ended the brand split?
Who is the first we expect on the chopping block due to overstuffed single roster?
