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OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for: Impact Wrestling (September 1, 2011)
Bound For Glory Series Match
Gunner vs. Rob Van Dam
Kid Kash & Austin Aries vs. Jesse Sorrensen & Brian Kendrick
Knockouts Title Match
Winter (c) vs. Mickie James
AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels
Kurt Angle vs. Sting
Special Referee: Hulk Hogan
Plus: Flair, Morgan, Joe, Anderson, Lynn, and more.
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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theflammablemanimal
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Goddamn, TNA is fucking dumb as hell. This is the second time in maybe 4 months that they took a guy who was doing well and getting hot and killed his
momentum with a pointless injury angle.
Roode was doing great after a mini-Flair feud ending with him submitting Flair, then they ran an injury angle for no reason and killed all his heat.
And now they did the same thing with Crimson.
Unless they were both legitimately injured, it's just so stupid to kill their momentum for nothing. Yes, it looks like Roode mY win the bfg
series, but he's not nearly as over now as he was after Flair tapped. Maybe they just messed up the story, but maybe it didn't help to
write him off for weeks and then bring him back for a losing streak.
And how is this better for Crimson? He's going to come back and feud with Joe, whose credibility and main event status has been pissed away.
This is somehow better than him taking a loss, probably a tainted loss, at the ppv?
And how does this angle help Joe? He looks more.like a coward then a monster and he doesn't even have a logical opponent for this ppv.
Meanwhile, the main event is Kurt Angle and 3 guys over 50. And Lynn/RVD are feuding? What fucking year is this?
And now there's a Karen/Traci feud? Who gives a shit about 2 chicks that can't wrestle when you have a great knockout division? Plus,
hasn't Traci's marriage to Kaz been acknowledged on tv? Also, funny how the face knockouts rally behind a woman that where herself out so
she could be their boss.
This Karen stuff is horrible nepotism.
ETA:
They even run commercials that look like they're from the 90's. Rise of Nightmares looks graphically equivalent to Heretic or Goldeneye.
And the commercial announcer looks like they stole the makeup from Angel.
[Edited on 9-2-2011 by theflammablemanimal]
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theflammablemanimal
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Did it just take "The Professor" Mike Tenay 2 whole minutes to forget that he was talking about Jeff Hardy returning?
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Apparently they've meshed the drumbeat of Poison's "Unskinny Bop" with Jeff Jarrett's entrance music.
It's a win-win.
EDIT - Wow, TNA. I'm watching this all-female-Crowning-Of-Karen-Jarrett travesty and wondering what the fuck is going on? From what the
audience knows, apparently Traci Brooks fucked Eric Bischoff three times and STILL didn't win control of the womens' division? Way to
make your entire female audience want to murder themselves, TNA.
[Edited on 9-2-2011 by gobbledygooker]
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gobbledygooker
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EDIT - Moved to Parts Unknown.
[Edited on 9-2-2011 by gobbledygooker]
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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theflammablemanimal
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Nah, Chaz Bono's character isn't as much of a bitch.
Almost made the show worthwhile with 2 great matches, but they both had idiotic ending.
Awful show, and I have no idea where they're going, but in a bad way. I think only 2 matches have been made for the ppv (which they brilliantly
scheduled for opening day of the NFL) and most of the big guys don't have a match scheduled or even an obvious opponent.
They are just really dumb.
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the goon
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quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
(which they brilliantly scheduled for opening day of the NFL)
Yeah, I question the logic of doing a PPV on the opening day of the NFL season. Who knows, maybe it won't ultimately affect the buyrate one way
or the other, but it just doesn't seem like the best idea.
I caught the show on a sporadic basis tonight, so parts of it will be missing from my review.
Hogan opens the show. Yay. The idea of Sting/Flair (and the inevitable Sting/Hogan showdown) is kinda depressing. I remember when Sting and Flair
wrestled on the last episode of Nitro, which was ten years ago, and it seemed kinda stale and old then.
RVD/Gunner was alright, but I'm already tired of this Jerry Lynn stuff. At least he outright fucked RVD over tonight. As great as the history is
between these two, hopefully it's blown off at No Surrender and doesn't carry over to Bound For Glory.
All the Knockouts/Karen stuff was lame. At least Velvet was there to comfort Traci after she went to all that trouble to whore herself out to Bischoff
and still didn't get the job.
The X-Division tag match was pretty good. To me, Austin Aries is one of the bright spots of TNA. The guy is just such a natural heel.
AJ/Daniels was quite good (and I liked seeing an Impact match go almost ten minutes), but I hated that ending. It made AJ look like a complete
idiot and Daniels like a lucky bastard.
Angle/Sting was alright. I still hate how strongly booked Sting is in TNA, despite being over 50. I can only imagine the quality of the match that
will be Sting/Hogan.
And what I've always hated about TNA (or at least TNA in the last few years) is the sudden and random face/heel turns. I watch it off and on,
but know that Mr. Anderson was a face, then went full-on heel by joining Immortal. That seems to have lasted about two weeks, and now he's a
total face again (and Angle's now a heel).
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DevilSoprano
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Anderson has NEVER turned. His character has been the same from day one. The issue is who he aligns with to help him achieve his goals. Sometimes
they're heels, sometimes they're faces but Anderson has NEVER EVER changed his image.
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Paddlefoot
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What's all this shit booking doing in the Impact Zone, Taz?
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the goon
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
Anderson has NEVER turned. His character has been the same from day one. The issue is who he aligns with to help him achieve his goals. Sometimes
they're heels, sometimes they're faces but Anderson has NEVER EVER changed his image.
Yeah, but Anderson is a bit of an anomaly in that he prides himself on being an asshole. Otherwise, I think it's pretty easy to tell when
he's supposed to be face and when he's supposed to be a heel. Getting booed and teaming with Immortal? Heel. Getting cheered and saving
uber-face Sting from Immortal? Face.
I don't really care if the character changes or not (Austin went from heel to face after WrestleMania 13 without changing), but crowd reaction
and heel/face allegiance usually tells me who's considered the good guy and who's considered the bad guy.
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DevilSoprano
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So, we're gonna trust the Impact Zone to decide if a guy is a heel or a face? Anderson saved Sting cause it helped him. When helping Sting
stopped being in his best interest, he sided with Immortal. I'm not saying TNA doesn't have a lot of unnecessary back and forth...look at
Abyss if you want a legit example. But using Anderson as the example is wrong because to me, he's never ever turned. Other faces on the roster
have been stupid enough to trust him and other heels have tried to use him, but it hasn't been anything he's done.
And this is the first time Angle's been a heel in like 2-3 years, you can't use him as a real example either.
Sting could be based on how you look at the whole stuff with Nash before Hogan came in and now with the Joker/Riddler/Whatever he is stuff, plus the
MEM and whatever.
Basically what I'm trying to say is you're right when you say TNA has too many alignment turns, but you're wrong with the examples
you're using to get that point across.
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the goon
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano But using Anderson as the example is wrong because to me, he's never ever turned. Other faces on
the roster have been stupid enough to trust him and other heels have tried to use him, but it hasn't been anything he's done.
Even if we want to disregard whether he's actually "turned" or not, at the very least all of the allegiance jumping is annoying, unless
there's some grand payoff (which obviously there isn't). He's gotten two completely forgettable title reigns and a likely PPV match
against Bully Ray out of it.
quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano And this is the first time Angle's been a heel in like 2-3 years, you can't use him as a
real example either.
Fair enough, but I was more going by the thinking of how they had a cage match recently where Angle was the face and Anderson was the heel, as well as
their previous feud where Angle was defending the troops and Anderson was the bad guy.
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theflammablemanimal
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Besides RVD, Anderson is probably the most consistent character on the roster. But still, even though he is the same guy doing the same thing,
it's pretty clear when TNA wants him to be cheered or booed. But this is really the first example of him flip flopping and I think it's
more indicative of TNA's scattershot booking than anything. I can't imagine they did all this stuff just to set up Anderson vs Bubba or
Immortal because there's easier ways to get there. It's more like they out him in Immortal, for some reason decided it didn't work,
panicked and turned him again. That whole thing lasted one ppv cycle.
Wasn't Angle a heel at the middle or beginning of last year? It hasn't been that long, and it probably feels shorter since they took a few
months off in the middle.
End of AJ/Daniels was bad and I expect AJ to reveal he let Daniels win.
Aries is the best thing on TNA right now. I thought he'd be injured for sure after that tower of doom spot, but then he hits the sweetest
suicide dive ever, shows some great heel mannerisms, and leaves. He shows more character during his matches than most TNA guys show during promos.
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DevilSoprano
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I'm 95% sure Angle's been a face since the feud with Desmond and that was done before Hogan came in. His first feud with Anderson was done
as a face, his rise to the top of the top 10 was done as a face, his feud with Jarrett was as a face. I'm not sure what else he's done.
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Spike may have lost the UFC, but it's clear they have nothing to worry about... I mean, with quality stuff like the World Series of Beer Pong,
that network has a bright future.
The episode was eh... Winter/James wasn't bad, but I was hoping they'd let Winter hold the belt a little longer. It looked like they were
maybe teasing some tension with Angelina in those backstage segments, but I guess not.
AJ/Daniels was great, but the ending was a bit too silly for my tastes. And Daniels walking out on AJ's handshake after the fact was just
dumb.
That should be Joe's new character... randomly running in, kicking someone in the balls, then running off.
Robbie E is gonna get a TV Championship match? Thrilling.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by DevilSoprano
I'm 95% sure Angle's been a face since the feud with Desmond and that was done before Hogan came in. His first feud with Anderson was done
as a face, his rise to the top of the top 10 was done as a face, his feud with Jarrett was as a face. I'm not sure what else he's done.
You're right. Wolfe's attack was what solidified his face turn, after Morgan won his respect. That was a little after Bound for Glory 2
years ago. Can't believe the MEM angle has been over so long and Hogan/Bischoff have been stinking it up for so long. Hell, even this garbage
Immortal angle is a year old and showing no signs of ending.
Who cares about the tv title? EY has made it worthless.
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Quentil
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The Scott Baio thing was hilarious though.
I mean, when the rest of it pretty much sucks, you have to enjoy the little things, right?
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cloak and dagger
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quote:
Originally posted by Quentil
The Scott Baio thing was hilarious though.
I mean, when the rest of it pretty much sucks, you have to enjoy the little things, right?
LOL, good call.
I honestly don't see how you guys can sit through TNA shows anymore. I tried to watch the 8-25 show, and it was an exercise routine for my fast
forward thumb. WSX was better than TNA is right now. I bet FCW is better than TNA right now. Hell, I bet that Juggalo show is better than TNA, and I
despise the Insane Clown Posse. That's where Joker Sting needs to go hang out.
Why the fuck does Crimson have so much stomach?
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Paddlefoot
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I've found that the best policy with TNA over the last two years now is to just watch the Knockouts stuff and totally ignore the rest of it.
Seriously, that's how much I now hate any of this Hogan/Russo bullshit routine that they've been doing for way too long.
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knuckleballschwartz
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quote:
Originally posted by cloak and dagger
LOL, good call.
I honestly don't see how you guys can sit through TNA shows anymore. I tried to watch the 8-25 show, and it was an exercise routine for my fast
forward thumb.
This. It's still on my DVR but I literally find myself switching it pretty much straight off every time I try and watch an episode. Worse than
awful the last few times I've tried to watch.
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CreativeInternetAliass
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I've found that the best policy with TNA over the last two years now is to just watch the Knockouts stuff and totally ignore the rest of it.
Seriously, that's how much I now hate any of this Hogan/Russo bullshit routine that they've been doing for way too long.
I would add Austin Aries and the rebulding of the X-division as something worth watching. Aries seems really motivated, and they have brought in some
new faces, the matches are usually quality, and I'm hopefull that they will continue to stay seperate from the rest of the going on with all the
horrible main event stuff.
I remember Lucky Lopez.
dev are you going to give me your address or do i have to check the registered sex offender data base (Firewoman trying to set up a three way meet on
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cloak and dagger
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Austin Aries is the one shining star to their name right now. They should've picked up Low Ki again, too.
I think they've cheapened the value of the X-Division with their attempt to elevate it by imposing a weight limit. I was watching the Kid Kash
match on that 8-25 episode, and Tenay said something about a 220 lb weight limit. I was like "WHAT THE FUCK?!".
The draw of the X-Division to me was the promise of workrate matches. That whole "It's not about weight limits, it's about no limits"
tagline was great, because it spelled out that you'd get some great wrestling no matter who was in the ring. Relegating the X-Division to a
Cruiserweight division in disguise removes some of that "rehabbing the X-Division" luster. For a lot of TNA's existence, the X-Division Title
had the potential to mean as much as the heavyweight title, depending on who was holding it. Why would they ruin that dynamic? Why do they
consistently shit on what's great about themselves?
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theflammablemanimal
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They're probably too stupid to think of any other logical way to keep Abyss out of the division without imposing a weight limit.
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quote:
Originally posted by CreativeInternetAliass
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Originally posted by Paddlefoot
I've found that the best policy with TNA over the last two years now is to just watch the Knockouts stuff and totally ignore the rest of it.
Seriously, that's how much I now hate any of this Hogan/Russo bullshit routine that they've been doing for way too long.
I would add Austin Aries and the rebulding of the X-division as something worth watching. Aries seems really motivated, and they have brought in some
new faces, the matches are usually quality, and I'm hopefull that they will continue to stay seperate from the rest of the going on with all the
horrible main event stuff.
Yes - and Yes. I'll usually start out watching each other match, but I end up ffw'ing until something looks good.
BTW - what the blue fuck was with those odd camera shots/angles? Whomever is director (of photography?) needs to be shot, as some of the cuts were
just out of the blue and missed some action.
And EY didn't kill the Television Title. What killed the TV Title was the fact that the writing team didn't/doesn't seem to know
what to do with that belt. EY, I dare say, did his best with the shit he was given.
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theflammablemanimal
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Ok, unless this angle and dumb tv sits were EY's idea, he didn't kill the tv title. And the writers did fuck it over by hotshotting it
around (especially when they gave it to Abyss and killed Williams' push, then just took it off Abyss for no reason) but it was not worthless
until EY got his hands on it.
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