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Subject: OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for: RAW (September 19, 2011)
Gobshite
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 01:32 PM
Just have the Raw GM announce that he's been quietly watching things unfold, and is now going to step in and have his say. He is the one that
announces that at Survivor series, he has secured the Rocks return to the ring with Punk, Cena and Air Boom vs Nash, ADR, Ricardo? And Awesome Truth.
At the end of the match, Laurenitis is out with his phone again- he "sends a text", but this time the GM Laptop goes off. Something simple like
"now", and Rock turns on Cena. Laurenitis was GM, hence him going quiet once he started appearing on screen. Explains how Nexus got hired, why Vince
was friendly with him etc.
Eta: started typing this ages ago in reply to jets and goon...
If anyone is going heel, I think it'll be Rock, as he's not around- but you can bet that on the night of WM, he'll be cheered like
nobodies business.
[Edited on 9-20-2011 by Gobshite]
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 04:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by the goon
EDIT: S Kid and I were posting at the same time, but I like his basic scenario. I think the only question would be how/why the Rock would get involved
(unless Triple H brings him in or something), but this is a question the WWE is going to have to answer regardless since he's advertised for
Survivor Series.
Rock's already announced, his participation doesn't need a storyline explanation. It'd be weird if they had a HHH/Cena/Punk/Big Show
team that needed a fourth member and then they bring in Rock as a shock partner two weeks before Survivor Series when WWE has been advertising Rock
(and Rock teaming up with Cena, no less) for a while already. They'll still probably do it, though.
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 04:39 PM
Not sure if he'll be done by Survivor Series or not but Rock is currently shooting the next G.I. Joe crapfest. If he is still involved with
filming around that time, I doubt the studio/insurance will let him take part in a match. Not to rain on everyone's parade... I do think the
Miz/Truth firings are setting things up for the Survivor Series match though. maybe Nash/Miz/Truth/Christian/other heel Vs.
HHH/Cena/Punk/Sheamus/Brian?
You know how reliable that coked-up sack of gay is.
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 06:05 PM
Both WWE and Rock have confirmed that he IS wrestling in a five on five survivor series match.
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 06:15 PM
Better.
Not fantastic, but better. Dunno if it�s a reaction to the poor ratings, or what, but this week�s effort had storyline building segments spread out
through the show etc. Also had a bit of variety and fun mixed in there. Wasn�t just packed with �filler� meaningless matches, along with a bit of
fenced-off talking... As has been the case WAY too often in recent times.
Still a lack of attention-to-detail on display though, and still all too compartmentalised (but definitely not as bad as usual on that score)... I
actually liked the sudden firing of Miz/Truth, after it looked like they�d got away with it earlier. Though I thought the end was slightly spoilt by
the fact there was a camera perfectly positioned outside the door those guys were slung through. Woulda been better just to try to follow the action
guerrilla style like it wasn�t supposed to happen IMO. But realise that is nit-picking on a grand scale...
And yes, I am also well aware I shouldn�t expect attention-to-detail from WWE by now anyway. I have learnt that over time. But still. I can point
things out if I like! And I do like...
Not worth going into much more detail than that on this specific show. As it was still fundamentally the same kinda stuff, and a lot is riding on
where they intend to go with the �conspiracy� thing. I am intrigued, I�ll say that. Though also aware that I was intrigued at the start of the
�textgate� thing, and wish I hadn�t been now. If I wanted to be generous, I�d say there�s still a chance they might incorporate all of that original
intrigue into the new strand of story, and make the whole thing seem bigger and better than most are anticipating...
The reveal(s) might surprise and reward in equal measure!!11 Hmm? Guys? Right? Who�s with me? No? Oh... Well it was worth a try. I can�t remember the
last time I was simultaneously surprised/rewarded by WWE TV (certainly regarding any kind of long-term storyline) so I don�t want to be guilty of
doing that thing where fans naively imply that the current creative system might actually be capable of pulling off something lengthy and intricate.
But come on! Remember when Punk said stuff on radio etc? Why was he confident enough in this whole scenario to say �Wait and see!� It�s things like
that I cling to, for now. Might not be wise...
Anyway! Just hope the �under the radar� story can transition itself into being an �on the radar� story satisfyingly, somehow, ASAP, and help make more
segments of Raw consequential/interesting. Been the same old �going nowhere� shit for too long.
S Kid J E T S 48
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 06:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by the goon
EDIT: S Kid and I were posting at the same time, but I like his basic scenario. I think the only question would be how/why the Rock would get involved
(unless Triple H brings him in or something), but this is a question the WWE is going to have to answer regardless since he's advertised for
Survivor Series. And just to take it one step further (and cuing up theoretical Cena heel turn opportunity #4,592B), how awesome would it be to have
Cena turn on the Rock in the main event of Survivor Series in Madison Square Fucking Garden? Maybe it comes down to Rock/Cena and Miz/Truth, only to
have Cena turn on Rock, allowing Miz to get the pin and the win for the heel team? You then have Cena aligned with the bad guys setting up a potential
nuclear showdown with the Rock five months down the road.
For a long time, I've said that I think the Cena heel turn was still years down the road, because while stale, he was still very relevant, and
as long as he's relevant, it was not necessary.
Now I feel like other than the "out" I posted for WWE with this whole story, their only other option is that Cena is behind everything, which while
I'm sure it can be logically flawed if we look at it strongly, would be the incredible nuclear showdown that Goon speaks of here.
I still think the Miz/Truth stuff has to happen. Ultimately, this whole thing needs to bring more people into it, because if you have this major
storyline, you need to use it to build up new people, even if one is already a former World Champion and the other 40 years old. Cena as Champ and
Awesome Truth as Tag Champions could be the dominant group that actually leads to a period where faces are chasing...which is something that actually
builds ratings (not a face Cena title win). Perhaps you add Barrett or Cody to win a mid-level belt to surround Cena with even a stronger heel-sided
contingent (and hopefully some crappy lower card guys...hello new nexus...so the faces can beat up on someone in the group week to week)...and now
suddenly you have a satisfactory Gamechanging result to this whole Conspiracy storyline.
Rock/Cena at Wrestlemania suddenly means a ton more in a storyline fashion, as Goon wrote. It also makes it ok to have a legend that's only
wrestling his 2nd match in 8 years to come out on top at Wrestlemania, because that it'll be his revenge match on Cena (although it builds no
one on the face side as the person to take down this Conspiracy to get the rub...but then again, I've now spent entirely too long on this
fantasy that will never actually come into fruition).
EDIT: Just to bring it back full circle, Cena has been acting a bit heelish lately. I mean, hasn't he basically been bullying [Be a STAR] ADR
for the last month? Of course, it could all come down to Faces in PG WWE...but who knows. I'll always stand on the side of "I'll
believe it when I see it" for the Cena turn...but hell, this feels like as good of opportunity as any.
One other completely random thing...isn't it weird that Hugh Jackman's been in a ring once and runs the ropes 10x better than Kelly
Kelly?
[Edited on 9-20-2011 by S Kid J E T S 48]
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 07:48 PM
Cena being the mastermind would be pretty badass - turns on Rock at MSG would be nuclear heat (or a HUGE POP). And I think this is where it could be
going - because Cena is right in the middle of it and yet nobody suspects White Knight John Cena. And it would be a perfect time for Cena to heel
with the Rock coming back for the WM build, so merchandising wouldn't take a big hit. It would be as close as you could get to
recapture/recreate the Hogan joins nWo moment.
Can't say I like the idea of R-Truth getting such a huge rub though, but can live with it. I'd probably add a fourth - somebody who could
use a big push/reboot - Drew McIntrye would fit well I think.
Punk ends up looking like a sucker though.
[Edited on 9-20-2011 by C.MontgomeryPunk]
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 10:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Cena being the mastermind would be pretty badass - turns on Rock at MSG would be nuclear heat (or a HUGE POP). And I think this is where it could be
going - because Cena is right in the middle of it and yet nobody suspects White Knight John Cena. And it would be a perfect time for Cena to heel
with the Rock coming back for the WM build, so merchandising wouldn't take a big hit. It would be as close as you could get to
recapture/recreate the Hogan joins nWo moment.
I thought the same; also Punk dropped a little hint "perhaps you'll be the first reigning wwe champion to get fired" which makes me think they
are thinking about it.
Anyone know if there is any truth/more to that Bob Holly stiff shot story Punk told?
Edited to Add: I liked Ziggler's passing jabs at other wwe guys last night, the Mason Ryan robot comment in particular.
[Edited on 9-20-2011 by knuckleballschwartz]
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 12:54 AM
When CM Punk alluded to someone "higher on the totem pole", it cracked me up to hear a small part of the crowd chant "Shane-O-Mac!" These fans
have long memories, and it'll never happen, but bless 'em for it. You damn near got Punk to corpse, too. Same with "Get Cole next!"
Cleveland is a good crowd for these events, leagues better than Green Bay.
I'm just as surprised as everyone else about the Divas of Doom getting punked with pins out of nowhere. Is this going to be a women-only thing,
or will it begin crossing gender lines? I suspect Creative is just treading water right now until Kharma gets back. But should it really take this
long to write something in the interim???
While Swagger joining Vickie officially does add some complexity, I predict that in a year or less, Swagger will find that Vickie is more trouble than
whatever the rewards are worth. Whether he leaves with the US title is immaterial.
Maybe I've been away for a while, but isn't 3 HiaC matches on the same PPV just a tad much? These 2 currently set up are sufficient.
The current over/under for Awesome Truth's reinstatement is the end of the RAW before Hell in a Cell. Place your bets.
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 12:56 PM
Just read a report that Henry put Lawler through a non-gimmicked announcers table and is in the hospital for back troubles. I'm just wondering:
why would they ever have a non-gimmicked announcers table out there?
Stay wet my friends.
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 02:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Wickedfrost
Just read a report that Henry put Lawler through a non-gimmicked announcers table and is in the hospital for back troubles. I'm just wondering:
why would they ever have a non-gimmicked announcers table out there?
My only regret is that it wasn't through a reinforced concrete slab.
I agree with the majority of the posters, that creative has no idea where the conspiracy storyline is going. But just for the pure shock value, the
firing of Miz and Truth is a stroke of genius. It makes a nonsensical storyline even more nonsensical.
Did anyone else find it weird that the entire WWE roster just happened to be viewing the main event from the locker room, in their perfectly organized
folding chairs, conveniently waiting to break up an impending fight that isn't supposed to be impending?
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 02:36 PM
Is it bad the the spot of the night was a punch by an actor?
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 03:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by Frank Lloyd Wright
quote:Originally posted by Wickedfrost
Just read a report that Henry put Lawler through a non-gimmicked announcers table and is in the hospital for back troubles. I'm just wondering:
why would they ever have a non-gimmicked announcers table out there?
Did anyone else find it weird that the entire WWE roster just happened to be viewing the main event from the locker room, in their perfectly organized
folding chairs, conveniently waiting to break up an impending fight that isn't supposed to be impending?
Heh! Yes.
That awkward scene of wrestlers, including many bare-chested guys, was a typically stagey WWE set-up. Like when they have a small selection of
wrestlers back there giving a polite farewell golf-clap to somebody... Lame.
It's poor attention-to-detail. As is standard.
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That scene is as bad as the faux backstage celebrations they had with Rey and Airboom's recent title wins.
And why would they all be watching there when we know they have tv's in their locker rooms? And don't they need to be within 2 feet of a
WWE tv to see it? Plus having cameramen waiting outside is sloppy too. Although you could assume HHH made everyone sit down and watch the firings.
And talk about attention to detail, $250,000 fines? Ridiculous. Not even the NFL or mlb would fine someone that much. How much are we supposed to
believe Truth/Miz are making? They should have sold it like they'd just lost a year's pay.
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 08:49 PM
* We now know why Ace has been behind the scenes all these years. He had a chance to really have a moment and hit a line when wishing Punk well in
his future endeavors and firing him and it came off really bland and "meh."
* I think ADR is much like Kozlov... if he could think in English and communicate a little faster and a little better, he could be really, really good
and pretty damn funny. Someone get that man Rosetta Stone.
* Sometimes squashes ARE effective. ADR's win over JoMo proved that it can be done well and not look lame and time-compressed. By the way,
Ricardo Rodriguez was great saying (in Spanish) that ADR "was robbed" and is still "the true WWE champion."
* Hugh Jackman was great. Dolph Ziggler was surprisingly entertaining (the things we don't notice when you're slotted below Orton and
Henry) and the whole match with Ryder was great sports entertainment.
* You're right, NFL and MLB wouldn't fine someone that much because their unions would raise hell and take them to court. NASCAR has the
record fine of $200,000 to a crew chief for engine violations. NASCAR has no union. And besides, WWE is supposed to be bigger and better than
everything in our willing suspension of disbelief. Or need we be reminded of the Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase?
* Kelly Kelly's cutoff Indians jersey would be a great running gimmick for her (hometown team jerseys), plus, I thought it to be really
yummy-looking. And I think Kelly and Eve winning repeatedly to get Beth & Natalya even MORE pissed off and send them off the rails on the crazy train
would do wonders to raise the women's division.
* This is the same crap I was talking about in my PPV post... Cena appears for his scene with Punk and their conversation nearly gets drowned out by
"Let's Go Cena/Cena Sucks" chants. People, if you want to chant just because a guy shows up, go to an Obama campaign rally. But if you paid
your money to actually see the guy you're chanting for perform in his prime then shut the fuck up and watch him.
* Pyro brought up a good point about the haunting image of the twin toddlers doing the "You Cant' See Me" gesture. The kids were clearly
being coached by their Dad who was holding them up for the camera. Said Dad had a baseball cap on backwards, a CM Punk T-shirt, his kids had WWE
championship belts around their waists, in addition to the full Cena regalia, and I can virtually guarantee the Dad's pants weren't fully
up around his waist. The really haunting part is threefold:
1) This man was allowed to reproduce AND found a willing partner.
2) This man dressed his unwitting kids in this fashion and was coaching them to do this for the camera, just as he will be coaching them throughout
their lives as they attempt to become valuable assets to society. Mull on that for a minute and think how screwed we are.
3) It is entirely plausible that this man bought his front row tickets, dressed his kids, and perhaps even procreated in the first place, for the sole
purpose of this moment, which will go down as one of the greatest in his life, and something he will show his family and friends repeatedly and post
on his Facebook page under the heading "Mission Accomplished." To which President Bush will reply, "That one didn't work too well for me,
buddy."
By the way, the guy was on TV again seconds later when Cena threw him his T-shirt. The guy was like, "Cool!" And the kids were like, "What? Why
is that guy taking his clothes off and throwing them at us?"
* Anyone else catch the "Skinny Fat A**" sign? Good one.
* Awesome Truth being very deferentially and submissively obedient to the officials was a nice subtext during the main event. I agree with another
poster who said something along the lines of their catch phrase needing to be, "That's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,
and that is TRULY AWWWWWESOMMME!"
* It was funny how in their skit, Cena joked that he and Punk were the new Rock & Roll Express and then Cena turned into Ricky Morton during the
match.
* No, the backstage TV setup wasn't weird. You've heard them talk about "locker room sellouts." You think they're all in their
own rooms watching or might they not want to congregate with their colleagues and watch together?
* Yeah, the firings were weird, but what does it do? It makes you wonder why and what the hell's going to happen next. Again, more questions
than answers. That's what it's supposed to be.
[Edited on 9-21-2011 by Dominator]
[Edited on 9-21-2011 by Dominator]
Doug Almighty
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 09:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dominator
* No, the backstage TV setup wasn't weird. You've heard them talk about "locker room sellouts." You think they're all in their
own rooms watching or might they not want to congregate with their colleagues and watch together?
Whaaaaaa?! So all the heels & faces just congregate together nicely like that?! (storylinewise I mean, doesn�t matter if heels & faces are seen
together in the real world, it�s not 1980)...
Why do wrestlers bother going all the way to the ring to call other wrestlers out? Not much point to that if everyone sits together in one area in
their underpants...
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 11:34 PM
One thing I do not care for is the idea that this "conspiracy" runs higher than Triple H. Mostly because that really limits the person in charge of
it to one of four people. And, since my feelings towards each one being the person responsible is the exact same, I'll spread the love between
the four choices and how I feel:
Vince McMahon-Who
Shane McMahon-Gives
Stephanie McMahon-a
Linda McMahon-Shit?
Now, if it winds up that somehow John Cena, the poster boy and face of the WWE that WWE has never even come close to consider turning even when it
made sense, is the man in charge, that's something else. But we should all know by now that will never happen.
Everything about this girl is awesome. She's hot, she got kicked out of school for sucking too many dicks, she takes it in the ass and her body
gives itself abortions. -Punker on Lilly Allen's Miscarriage
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Or it could be something really exciting like make it Johnny Ace or Michael Cole.
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posted on 9-22-2011 at 12:49 AM
It's the Raw Gm, Mick Foley >_> <_<'' what?
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Almighty
Whaaaaaa?! So all the heels & faces just congregate together nicely like that?! (storylinewise I mean, doesn�t matter if heels & faces are seen
together in the real world, it�s not 1980)...
Wrestlers love sitting together for big announcements, like drafts or "who's Triple H firing tonight?" I believe the concept was established
in wrestling lore during the days of the WCW-ECW Alliance.
Doug Almighty
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posted on 9-22-2011 at 01:18 AM
^^^
Heh! Good examples! Every draft show WWE did, that I can remember, was stagey and horrible. With one half of the roster wearing red shirts and the
other half wearing blue. Oh sweet Jesus... The lameness!
There are some people who just don't pick up on this stuff(!) And, wait a minute, I thought you were one of 'em Mr FistHiccups! You saying
those things to defend WWE? Or to kinda support my point? Or to just add a bit of non-commital background?
I will take you down if I have to FH! I don't want to, but I will.
Probably.
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posted on 9-22-2011 at 01:24 AM
This was an early gathering in locker rooms...bonus...Jim Ross calling a mop a kendo stick.
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^^^
Hmm! Interesting. Although not necessarily an example of something that would be considered �not lame� in 2011(!) Though assume you�re not claiming
that anyway!
And the wrestlers were located there, and dressed ready to compete, for a storyline reason (i.e they were waiting to potentially be called out to be
in that match)... Reminded me of how modern day WWE do other stagey things at other times though actually, like when they have the roulette crap. Lots
of lame moments to feel queasy about when they do those kinda shows...
Austin did the last one too I think? So for people with long memories, that was a very stark contrast.
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posted on 9-22-2011 at 03:24 AM
Kelly and Eve's bOObs brushed each other when they hugged. I got kind of aroused.
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posted on 9-22-2011 at 02:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
Kelly and Eve's bOObs brushed each other when they hugged.
Mr. JBKing sir, may I ask that you work your magic? TIA!
