OORick
You and what army? 
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quote:
Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
Why did Cena get the belt two weeks ago only to lose it now? Because somebody loved the idea to this finish of the champ getting locked outside of the
ring?
Hopefully this won't come off as too "stating the obvious," but: there *is* a certain way WWE tends to book first-time champs, and there *is*
a pretty major difference between a one-on-one/no-stips match and a HiaC match. So del Rio didn't get put over Cena in the straight
one-on-one... but it turns out he goes over two guys in a big time stip match where he can use some trickery.
Doesn't seem like too much of a stretch, or anything to get too antsy about. Granted, tonight's cool end-match booking to HiaC would have
worked just as well if del Rio was the defending champ, rather than one of two contenders, but I'm not gonna split that hair...
And hey: at least they kept the belt on Henry. Yes, I'm as shocked as anyone that I just typed that last sentence, but I look at it this way:
chances are really good that we're now looking at Sheamus as #1 Contender, and I'm kinda digging that notion. To think it was just 2 years
ago that we laughed at Sheamus winning the Big Gold in Deember... now, I don't think I'm alone in rooting for it.
Rick
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TonyTH
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Show ended a bit early, didn't it?
So...as far as the ME went. I liked Cena getting locked out and Miz and Truth coming out and all. But I am sooo sick of Del Rio in this angle. I dont
HATE the guy, but he's boring as fuck. And I know it will lead to more Cena yelling mode after the fact.
Didn't like HHH beating up Miz and Truth. Come on, he still can't let anyone else go over? The hell was the point of that at all?
It was okay, but Del Rio just adds so much "I don't give a fuck" to the angle. '
Liked the other matches for the most part. Henry retaining was nice, but that match didnt even NEED the cell. Beth winning was great. I think HHH
making Cody fighting in a suit was pretty lame. There's being mean to heels, then there is just not being fair.
Thank God Beth won though.
[Edited on 10-3-2011 by TonyTH]
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C.MontgomeryPunk
Man of a Thousand Holds 
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Beth winning in Buffalo a few weeks ago would have been a big pop and made the Diva's title look like it's worth something. Instead she
jobs a couple of times and goes over now and nobody gives a shit.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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cardscott5
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This show reminded me of the TNA ppvs from a couple years ago, where they delivered on ppv but not on the shows leading up to it.
Christian/Sheamus was a good opener. Sheamus has progressed a lot the past couple of years, and he's been on a nice run as a face. I think
he's going to fight Henry at the next ppv in a couple weeks.
Sin Cara v. Evil Sin Cara wasn't that bad. Evil Sin Cara kind of whiffed on a couple of spots. There was the one dude near the camera who kept
yelling boring when there weren't any boring parts happening. That was annoying. They should have gone with the black outfit Sin Cara sooner. It
felt rushed.
The tag title match was fun. Air Boom have some nice double team moves.
Henry kicking out of the RKO and beating Orton clean again was a huge surprise. They can't let them fight again after Orton lost his rematch
clean. Like I said earlier, I think you go Sheamus next. Then a tag at Survivor Series, and Orton gets his revenge at TLC.
The IC title match was good. Cody bringing back the old IC title was fucking awesome. Nice to see Morrison not get squashed. He's like a name
jobber now though.
The HiaC match was pretty good. Like many of you, I don't know why Del Rio didn't retain a couple weeks ago. He could have outsmarted Cena
and won with a fluke roll up. That way, when he outsmarted him again by locking him out of the cage, he would be up 2-0 and you would (hypothetically)
want to see Cena get him 1-1 in a match with no bullshit. Instead, they are 1-1 and Del Rio looks like a bitch.
The stuff with the Miz and Truth was cool. I guess Johnny Ace is getting fired tomorrow, since HHH said if they attacked again, he was gone. It should
be interesting at least.
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Devineman
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Austin and Rock have just been beaten in a HIAC match by Chavo Guerrero and apparently it's "okay" and "nothing to get angsty about".
I'm not angsty about any WWE product any more because I don't watch it at all. I do keep checking here in the hope that they will somehow
realise their fuckup and build a proper Punk/Cena feud but apparently not.
Honest question, do any of you actually WANT to watch this show any more? Are you, as a whole, entertained and enjoying the product?
As far as I can see, people tend to watch it out of habit or routine rather than enjoyment and excitement.
Maybe I'm wrong and some really like this version of the product and more power to you. However, as a very long term WWE fan and one who
regularly buys PPVs rather than streaming them, I reached the end of my tether when they fucked up the Punk story. Now, I'm not an indie guy,
I didn't know Punk from Adam when he came in and I still don't particularly care about him. My big concern is that the WWE somehow
stumbled upon lightning in a bottle with Cena and Punk and instead of giving us a well built, long term feud, they blew it as soon as possible because
they wanted to "strike whilst the iron was hot".
This answer is the very reason why I stopped watching. A corporate culture that decides to "strike when the iron is hot" in a wrestling storyline
has forgotten what wrestling is. The entire point is to build anticipation for events as grand as possible. Instead of having the next generation of
the Austin/Rock feud that would have elevated two guys into the mainstream, they impatiently blew their load, like a virgin on a first date.
Will they do Cena/Punk in the future? Probably. But this is the difference between seeing Britney in Playboy at 19 and Britney in Playboy at 45.
They missed their chance and now only a very small amount of people will care.
I don't watch wrestling because I like workrate. I couldn't (even after 15+ years of watching WWE) tell you why Savage/Steamboat was a
"good match" and I preferred Hogan/Andre. I'm in this for the characters and the storylines rather than the pretend violence and athletic
excellence.
My problem, is that I have lost all faith in the WWE to create characters that I care about and much more seriously, I've lost faith that they
can provide a payoff to an angle that is somewhat final and decisive.
As there is no arcs, there is no reason for me to watch. And also, the rumours of the Rick financially benefiting from giving the WWE positive
reviews and not ripping in to them has made me look at his posts in a different manner.
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joerizal
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quote:
Originally posted by Devineman
And also, the rumours of the Rick financially benefiting from giving the WWE positive reviews and not ripping in to them has made me look at his posts
in a different manner.
Well, this is just uncalled for.
my av is a burger.
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wyattcox
And I am AWESOME
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I didn't have a huge problem with HHH getting involved at the end
Hey, unlike other "authority figures", he's a "former" wrestler who wants to demand the respect. He's being frustrated and responds
the only way he knows how. Violently.
Here....
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S Kid J E T S 48
Man of a Thousand Holds 
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Didn't get to watch very intently last night, so its more of general sense of the action that I can really talk about. Just from the sense of
the matches, it seemed like most of them were good, but I don't feel comfortable commenting on their quality without seeing it again, so
I'll just comment on results and stuff.
Sheamus going over Christian was the right move and definitely has to put him in line to be the next contender against Henry. Only problem is what
would go on later in the night, which I think through off the next two feuds we all had in our heads.
Cara v. Cara...unsure of what really the right move for this was. I have to assume the Black Cara (can...can I say that?) is sticking around for a
while, so they'll have time to build a better story around these two. I'm assuming that's why people said the crowd was dead for
them (had the PPV on mute). I'm really hoping for some more Caras...maybe get Trent Barreta under a mask as the Green Cara. Then when his
contract is up, maybe Samoa Joe as the Red Cara...the possibilities are endless....ok...its possible I'm just hoping for this...
You know you want A.J. as the Pink Cara......ok, I'm done.
Think beating Ziggler and Swagger did well for Air Boom. This and the main event were the only matches I really got to pay attention to and I really
liked it. Probably for being stuck in the midcard forever and having like 34208093 singles matches against each other prepared them well. I guess
we're moving towards a face Swagger (which we don't need with Ryder and Mason Ryan sitting around waiting to feud with Ziggler).
Ziggler/Swagger could be very good if they give them time to talk...which I think they will considering how much tv time they have been giving Ziggler
lately.
Thought Orton/Henry was about as good as they can do. I loved the spot where Henry just took Orton and slammed him twice against the cage and then
against the post. Setting up spots like that really make Henry look good. What do they always say about Heyman? He knew how to take people with
flaws and highlight their strengths? WWE has done that really well throughout this Henry push. The ending helped make Smackdown work better. Many
were annoyed they gave away the RKO on the show, but I'm assuming, as I did, most didn't think Henry would get hit with one AND kick out
of it in the match. Countering the punt with the WSS was a fun ending.
After that, eh. I'm not happy if they're continuing this feud. They need to take chances, especially with the B Brand, with new guys
getting the top spot on PPVs. They're set up really well for Orton to have a very believeable feud with Cody Rhodes that would do wonders for
both Rhodes and Sheamus...allowing him to main event against Henry. Now, I'm not so sure and think we're just gonna wind up with a 3-way
and Rhodes left out.
More making that seem obvious was Rhodes' promo declaring to defend the IC belt and make it special again. I can't imagine part of that
plan is to have him feud with Orton (ugh, I'm so disappointed just typing it that we're not getting that next). If they're not
moving the belt off of him at this point, I'd expect another feud with DiBiase or a losing effort for Daniel Bryan coming up next. As for
Morrison...he's basically a jobber at this point with a few flashy moves. Amazing he's fallen so far. Hopefully one step closer to my
McIntyre/Morrison whipped tag team idea.
Love the change to the new IC belt by the way. Here's a pic if no one's seen it yet:
Very much like the early 90's Warrior one, except with the new WWE logo everywhere and a bit smaller. Definitely a positive move. While the IC
belt hasn't really changed in a bunch of years, I never really liked the move away from the old belt.
Beth winning the belt? Eh. Someone was upset because if she won it in Buffalo it would have meant more. The belt and division mean nothing. Buffalo
would have popped, but the next day, who cares, you're in the same spot now. Until there's actually a division where it doesn't go
wrestler to diva to wrestler to diva and back and so on with the belt, it'll never matter if its on Beth or Kelly or anyone else (though Layla
returning soon may make it a bit more interesting at least).
Triple Threat? Really liked it. Not sure why there was a need to give Cena the belt last month if they were going to do this (of course, that assumes
they had a plan before yesterday) Match wasn't so much a HitC match as just a match where the 3 of them work well together and had good spots
planned. I'm fine with ADR winning and the way he won left Punk looking strong enough...so that's good.
And obviously, the most important part is the end with Miz and Truth. Have to say, as much as I loved it...I was expecting that the wrestlers would
clear them out at the end, leading to us finding out a new member of their "conspiracy" and that person laying out Punk/Cena/ADR more. Of course,
the PPV ended ridiculously ending 25 minutes early...so maybe that's why I thought more was coming. It does leave things in an interesting
manner to see what happens tonight. Another question to ask: if HHH was actually getting arrested (didn't seem so, but Cole said so), would
that affect him as COO? Him getting suspended for a week or two may allow a program where "anything could happen" without law. That could be quite
interesting...but I guess we'll see.
Overall, not a great PPV, but one that was pretty good with nothing appalling. Can't end at 10:30-10:35 though...that's embarassing.
FREE ZACK RYDER
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Froggie
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Pretty good show last night! Best match I thought was Air Boom vs. Swagger and Ziggler. Honourable mention goes to Cena vs. Del Rio v Ziggler and
Sheamus vs. Christian. It was a very good night in terms of in-ring!
Nice to see the old-school Intercontinental title back! It's nice to see them give a nod to history...it's cool to see a current wrestler
wear the exact same belt that great wrestlers of the past like Steamboat, Savage, Hart, Austin and Mr. Perfect wore. Two thumbs up for that!!
I thought it was odd that Ross didn't mention Davey Boy Smith when Mark Henry hit the Running Power Slam on Orton...the Bulldog popularized the
move!! Very strange...
The end was a a very good visual with the Miz and R-Truth creating quite the scene at the end. Should be interesting to see what happens next! I
won't be watching, but still...it should be interesting!! 
"...Best There Ever Will Be!!"
-When WWE jobbed first time WWE World Heavyweight Champion Christian out to Randy Orton and turned him heel when he (Christian) was arguably the most
over babyface on the roster and having great matches with everyone on the card, it was at that exact moment that WWE jumped the shark!!
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williamssl
Steers and Queers 
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Didn't watch but is there any good reason why the tag match wasn't announced as a match prior to the show?
Don't Mess With Texas
SNICKERS
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by Devineman
Austin and Rock have just been beaten in a HIAC match by Chavo Guerrero and apparently it's "okay" and "nothing to get angsty about".
And also, the rumours of the Rick financially benefiting from giving the WWE positive reviews and not ripping in to them has made me look at his posts
in a different manner.
This week, in outrageous hyperbole...
Gee, I wish I was still alive- LuckyLopez R.I.P.
Michele Bachmann thinks that blacks were better off as
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Frank Lloyd Wright
Man of a Thousand Holds 
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Whether you like him or not, the build up of Mark Henry over these last few months as this unstoppable force, has been well executed. Winning clean
against Orton twice, goes far in establishing that fact.
I have two ambitions in life: one is to drink every pub dry, the other is to sleep with every woman on earth -- Oliver Reed
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Qonas
Showstopper 
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Everything Devineman said was spot-on and EXACTLY why I refuse to watch this shit anymore.
ADR winning tonight and Christian once again losing is just more proof that WEE is stuck in heads-up-their-ass mode and this time, there's no
WCW-style impetus to change that.
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Chris Is Good517
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Yes, Christian should win EVERY match EVER.
Seriously?
Gee, I wish I was still alive- LuckyLopez R.I.P.
Michele Bachmann thinks that blacks were better off as
slaves
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Qonas
Showstopper
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No, but he should be a relevant main event player instead of portrayed as a coward, whipping boy, and perennial loser who sucks lets point and
laugh at the loser who can't win I'M VINCE MCMAHON DAMMIT.
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cardscott5
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
Didn't watch but is there any good reason why the tag match wasn't announced as a match prior to the show?
No. Especially after Swagger beat Bourne on Smackdown.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
Man of a Thousand Holds
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Chavo Guerrero won the Royal Rumble, headlined Wrestlemania, won MITB, captured the World Championship twice and won a HIAC?
I like Rhodes bringing back the white IC belt and paying homage to the former title holders, but he needs some fresh competition for the title. Ted
Dibiase is not over and hurts both when they fight/feud - Rhodes has moved on from his Legacy days, grown leaps and bounds and bringing up his lackey
days doesn't help anyone. If I was booking, with Otunga going lawyer mode and potentially bringing together a faction, it leaves McGillacuddy
out of the picture. Reveal him as Joe Hennig and have him team with Dibiase or the next year plus - move them to Raw to get them away from Orton and
Rhodes.
I don't think there is one character the wwe is currently booking properly (outside of Henry, but he has years of jobber stank on him) or one
angle I'm really invested in. They completely blew the white hot Punk storyline, dare I say worse than the Invasion Angle, because Punk was wwe
home grown. Dan Bryan is getting jobbed out and wrestling PPV dark matches. Wade Barrett was a top guy not a year ago and is an afterthought without
an angle or reason to care about him. Kofi Kingston needed a heel turn character reboot not thrown into a nothing tag team - he was near the cusp of
being a top guy, now he's a nothing. Alex Riley gets a push for some reason only God knows why - he bombs like anybody could have predicted and
that push is dead and the time burned to build him is wasted. Drew McIntyre can't even get on television. The whole Mahal/Khali storyline
appealed only to the person writing it and buried all involved. The Sisters of Destruction align and declare their dominance only to be jobbed out to
Kelly Kelly over and over and over again.
HHH and John Laryngitis are the two characters getting the biggest pushes. Nash was right up there as well. Punk vs Cena could have been a huge feud
minting both wrestlers and it was thrown away from some convoluted soap opera storyline with mysteries and conspiracy theories that is all leading to
Vince McMahon coming back AGAIN.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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S Kid J E T S 48
Man of a Thousand Holds
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quote:
Originally posted by Qonas
No, but he should be a relevant main event player instead of portrayed as a coward, whipping boy, and perennial loser who sucks lets point and
laugh at the loser who can't win I'M VINCE MCMAHON DAMMIT.
He's been no less than in the 2nd biggest feud on Smackdown at any point for the past 6 months and World Champion twice. The only guy
he's lost constantly to is Orton. He's basically at the highest point he could be in other than being Orton, Cena, or Punk. It's
really hard to say they don't look at him as a resource they can constantly plug into important feuds, push guys on the cusp of the main event,
or be in the main event for the future.
FREE ZACK RYDER
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JB KING
Showstopper 
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WHUT DA HALE?
[Edited on 10-3-2011 by JB KING]
[Edited on 10-3-2011 by JB KING]
Two time Winner for 2010 Breakthrough Poster of the Year Award. You read that right.
XBL Gamertag: JB KING
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gimmickless
rOOkie
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Cute ending to the main event, though I'm still shocked how Punk went from must-see to third wheel over the course of the summer. Granted, he
still brings it on the mic, but I can't bring myself to care about the guy anymore. And it's weird how Awesome Truth ended up stealing
his gimmick...and might end up doing it better. How long has it been since a cameraman was attacked? Reminds me of nWo '96 just a little...and
that's a good thing.
I, too, predict HHH's loss of control will lead to his loss of COO status. I'm not so pessimistic to see Vince take the helm back yet.
Henry retaining over Orton? I never liked Orton, so I approve.
I'll have to catch replays for the rest, but for the most part I just didn't really care about this PPV.
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desjr001
And I am AWESOME
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How long has it been since a cameraman was attacked?
HBK attacked a cameraman in the 1st HITC vs Taker. Perhaps a homage?
Opinions are like assholes,
everybody's got one.
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blackdragon
The Great One 
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quote:
Originally posted by Frank Lloyd Wright
Whether you like him or not, the build up of Mark Henry over these last few months as this unstoppable force, has been well executed. Winning clean
against Orton twice, goes far in establishing that fact.
Count me in as loving it. I wasn't kidding when I said I hope he holds it until Wrestlemania.
A ho fucks everybody. A bitch fucks everybody but you.
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JB KING
Showstopper
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I feel like playing Street Fighter 2 for some reason...mirror match!
Cant bust the door but i can bust a nut?
Photoshop here I come...
Two time Winner for 2010 Breakthrough Poster of the Year Award. You read that right.
XBL Gamertag: JB KING
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OORick
You and what army?
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quote:
Originally posted by DevinemanAnd also, the rumours of the Rick financially benefiting from giving the WWE positive reviews and not
ripping in to them has made me look at his posts in a different manner.
I assume by "different manner," you mean to say "ignoring the words I actually write, and imagining entirely different ones." Some people seem to
really enjoy doing that.
And this can't be a real thing, can it? These "rumors," I mean? If so, I'd honestly have a hard time deciding who is more heroically
stupid: the idiots who created the rumors, or the idiots who actually believe they might be true.
Then again, Fox News not only exists, but has viewers. So perhaps there is precedent for this particular brand of
stupidity-being-consumed-by-the-stupid....
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
-- Venus Flytrap speaking on The Rick
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by OORick
quote:
Originally posted by DevinemanAnd also, the rumours of the Rick financially benefiting from giving the WWE positive reviews and not
ripping in to them has made me look at his posts in a different manner.
I assume by "different manner," you mean to say "ignoring the words I actually write, and imagining entirely different ones." Some people seem to
really enjoy doing that.
And this can't be a real thing, can it? These "rumors," I mean? If so, I'd honestly have a hard time deciding who is more heroically
stupid: the idiots who created the rumors, or the idiots who actually believe they might be true.
Then again, Fox News not only exists, but has viewers. So perhaps there is precedent for this particular brand of
stupidity-being-consumed-by-the-stupid....
Rick
Yeah? AND HOW MUCH DID VINCE PAY YOU TO SAY THAT, Scaia?
Gee, I wish I was still alive- LuckyLopez R.I.P.
Michele Bachmann thinks that blacks were better off as
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