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posted on 12-4-2015 at 01:26 PM
Most expected rock death in a while. Such a waste.
CVD39
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posted on 12-4-2015 at 01:32 PM
It wasn't even his birthday. 😔
I was really into Core when it came out and liked some (not all) of their hits from the next few albums. I don't think I ever listened to
Velvet Revolver. RIP, Scott.
Phil Lynott wrote a song about his addictions, man I miss that guy.
'I've been messin' with the heavy stuff
For a time I couldn't get enough
Now I'm waking up and it's wearing off
Junk don't get you far.'
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posted on 12-4-2015 at 05:49 PM
I graduated high school in 1998, so this music was the soundtrack of my adolescence. Not in the least surprising, but still a bummer.
And I really liked Velvet Revolver as well... I thought that would be a new turn around for him, but they only lasted a few years.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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posted on 12-4-2015 at 07:54 PM
Not exactly unexpected given his history but it still sucks when it happens. STP sort of got categorized as a B-list grunge band, allegedly not as
"genuine" as Nirvana or Soundgarden according to the critics, for whatever reason but I still liked them. Scott had a pretty versatile voice with a
lot of range to it, as he showed from being able to do the more deep and dark on Sex Type Thing to the higher sounds on Fall To Pieces. There was a
lot of real talent there. He will be missed.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
salmonjunkie
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posted on 12-4-2015 at 07:59 PM
I'm not surprised that he's passed. The guy had some demons and never could kick his addiction. I really liked Core and Purple,
didn't really dig STPs later albums but they had some cool songs. The first Velvet Revolver album was pretty cool, and I always hoped
he'd be able to turn things around being in a band completely composed of former and recovered addicts. I got to hear him perform on their
first tour and they were great. I also saw him perform with STP when they reunited and he was pretty sloppy on that show. A band I'm friends
with opened up for him a few years ago and said the dude was just a mess and that his performance was awful. Sad to hear how his talent was so wasted
away by his addictions, a story we've unfortunately heard over and over again, but at the same time, despite his problems, he put out a lot of
good tunes with some good bands in the long career he was able to have.
williamssl
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posted on 12-4-2015 at 09:38 PM
Surprise factor: 0
Disappointed factor: 10
I loved the guy's music.
Version 1.0 with Stone Temple Pilots. Every album had goodness and a new element of uniqueness to it. Core and Purple were, end to end, amazing and
nothing past that had the same "I just bought an entire disc that rules" factor to it, but there isn't a disc that I would say "I could have
done without" either.
Tiny Music with Lady Picture Show and Art School Girl
No 4. with Sour Girl and Atlanta
Shangri La Di Da with Days of the Week.
STP with Between the Lines
Version 2.0 with Velvet Revolver. First disc better than second. But both strong from start to finish. Gravedancer (+ hidden country-folk add on
Don't Drop that Dime) off Libertad is my favorite.
And Version 3.0 with Wildabouts that was just getting started and has seen nothing but tragedy. Guitarist Jeremy Brown's death on the eve of
their debut release earlier this year. And now this. Another disc I enjoy end to end, although it starts incredibly big with Modzilla and nothing
beyond matches it (although Beach Pop is a fun little tune).
And there's his solo stuff interspersed in there. Lady, Your Roof Brings Me Down off the Great Expectations soundtrack was amazing. His 12
Bar Blues was ok, but I've got to go give that a relisten since I was expecting more of an STP sound on it and obviously it's not, which
made me dismiss it at release as "ok" (note: the version of Lady, Your Roof.... on this is a pale comparison to the Great Expectations soundtrack
version).
I wasn't much of a fan of the recent Art of Anarchy thing, which seems like a lot of confusion between him and the rest of the band as to
whether he was in the band (them) or just a guest doing vocals (him).
Too many demons. Not sure how much they played into him seeming like an insufferable prick in real life (the multiple explosions of STP, and the
explosion of Velvet Revolver)...or if that was just him.
Reviews of his Wildabouts tour seemingly foreshadowed something being up with him - lackluster and short performances. Perhaps a function of crowds
not being all that great (recent show had 300...)
Anyhow, I'll miss his music. Just too much greatness in there and a continued strong stuff coming out of him still.
Don't Mess With Texas
the goon
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posted on 12-5-2015 at 02:31 AM
Agreed with some of the previous comments, Weiland's death is sadly about the least surprising since Layne Stayley in 2002. There was that
footage of him online from about six months ago where he appeared to be really fucked up and singing terribly, which he later blamed on his in-ear
monitors not working or something like that.
quote:Originally posted by Paddlefoot
STP sort of got categorized as a B-list grunge band, allegedly not as "genuine" as Nirvana or Soundgarden according to the critics, for whatever
reason but I still liked them.
In my middle school years, Stone Temple Pilots were always considered kind of a poser band, because when the video for "Plush" came out everyone
thought that Weiland was ripping off Eddie Vedder (and it might have also been the fact that STP broke big just slightly after the grunge
explosion, so it might have seemed like they were trying to jump on that bandwagon). But that was of course the opinion of a bunch of 13 year-olds who
worshiped Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc and I eventually grew to really appreciate Stone Temple Pilot's music, as those guys had some damn good tunes
over the years. Hell, "Dead and Bloated" will always be one of the tightest, heaviest jams ever written.
And I caught them live in 2000, so they're another band I can add to the "glad I got to see them live when I had the chance" list. Though the
show would have been much better if Godsmack and Disturbed hadn't been the supporting acts.
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williamssl
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posted on 12-5-2015 at 04:45 AM
Not trying to turn this into a Weiland youtube thread, but I did want to throw a few things out that I mentioned in my above post as "things you
might have missed" if Weiland to you = just STP and Revolver.
Scott Weiland and the Wildabouts
Version 3.0 and the most recent incarnation of Weiland.
Released "Blaster" earlier this year. This is the lead track, Modzilla. Heavy, fuzzy guitars.
Solo
Lady, Your Roof Brings Me Down. First appeared on Great Expectations soundtrack (which also was the first appearance of Chris Cornell's solo
career with Sunshower). The album is very very different for him. This melodically haunting bit is a standout.
Don't Mess With Texas
gobbledygooker
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posted on 12-8-2015 at 05:11 AM
Was never much of an STP fan but one song I got reintroduced to in this sad circumstance is "Atlanta" off their "No. 4" album. Goddamn that song
is beautiful.
"Hulk Hogan have the sex with some dumb bitch on the TV. The girl smart if she make the $$ from his bald ass but she also desperate to have sex with
the howdy doody like Hulk Hogan. He worse than Mel Gibson and I think now %10000 he prove he have grasshopper dick and raisin balls." - The Iron
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posted on 12-9-2015 at 09:07 PM
Chiming in late, but this sucks. It's sad that most people expected this to happen, but the guy had crippling problems. There's an open
letter going around, starting with Rolling Stone, from his ex-wife regarding his addiction and mental health issues. It's very sad, and his
demons clearly took their toll on his family, too.
Regarding his music, I loved Core when it came out - there wasn't a bad song on it. I was thirsty for anything grunge-related, and while
critics hated it, I thought it was the shit, and was much better than any other imitators when the rot set in later. That album has not aged well,
though. Listening to it now, it seems plodding. I can imagine an old hair metal fan listening to Quiet Riot's big album years down the road
and thinking the same thing. I can't decide whether the problem is me being older and knowing more, the music itself, or both. Back then, I
liked them more than Pearl Jam, who I thought was the better (i.e., more important) band, but STP had better songs.
I didn't get into Purple as much (even if "Interstate" is a goddamned perfect rock song), but I loved Tiny Music. I've always been a
glam fan, and the Cheap Trick influence is all over that album. "Big Bang Baby" is a really cool song, and the rest of the album works. Comparing
it to PJ again, this album is better than Versus (which I still think is garbage), and on par with Vitology (which I love). For later stuff, "Sour
Girl" was great, and I thought "No Way Out" was pretty badass.
Never liked Velvet Revolver too much for whatever reason, even though I loved GNR.
Anyone else think this would have gotten more press maybe ten years ago? Layne Staley got more of a hero's sendoff. Hell, Shannon Hoon seemed
like bigger news. Maybe it's because of the horrible non-celebrity shit going on now, but Weiland's death almost seems like an
afterthought.
[Edited on 12-9-2015 by denverpunk]
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posted on 12-10-2015 at 01:03 AM
I think the smaller amount of press has more to do with his current career. When Layne Staley died, Alice In Chains had come out with their fantastic
MTV Unplugged album after cancelling their tour for the Tripod album when because he went to rehab. They were still in the middle of their success.
Shannon Hoon had just come off the huge first album success with Blind Melon and "No Rain" and their 2nd album was released just 2 months before he
died. I think while fans knew they were both addicts, their deaths were kind of out of nowhere.
Weiland's decline was more gradual, with so many signs that it was going to end this way through the years. Plus, he hasn't had a
mainstream hit song in 9 years or so. That said, my local TV news station did lead their news night with his death.
I read the letter that his ex-wife and mother of his children wrote. It's a sad read, and definitely a unique perspective that us, as fans,
usually don't think about when these things happen.
the goon
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posted on 12-13-2015 at 12:52 AM
While we're still discussing Weiland/STP, just wanted to add that I always HATED the "Stone Temple Pilots" logo on the cover of Core:
It looks like some high school kid took about two seconds designing the most generic band logo possible and then photoshopped it onto the cover.
Nash is only a few inches bigger than JBL and depending on how stiff he gets Punk should be able to take it. -JB King, meant in a totally non-sexual
way
