Flash
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Durp
[Edited on 2-8-2016 by Flash]
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Count Zero
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quote:
Originally posted by Matte
Shifted all the retirement stuff into its own thread at the suggestion of Count Zero. Thought it made sense, seeing as how it's no longer just a
rumor.
I read about it on gamefaqs (NOT a terribly reputable source) first, and came here expecting to find all kinda insider links & stuff that could be
taken with less grains of salt. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one relying on this board for news, so I was a little shocked that
nobody started that thread sooner. Yayyy Matte Squad! 
eta: wow.. 750 posts. Soon I'll pass Barry Bonds on the all-time... oh wait, wrong list.
[Edited on 2-8-2016 by Count Zero]
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Slade
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From CageSideSeats.com's daily Rumor Roundup column:
- PW Insider reports Braun Strowman is 100-percent a Vince McMahon guy, and Vince is mircomanaging his character and everything he does on television.
The belief, apparently, is he's improving and hasn't shown anything close to what he's capable of, which we'll see at
WrestleMania 32. (Feb 8)
- What's more, if he has a good showing there, he may feud with Brock Lesnar and be featured in a match against the Beast at SummerSlam. (Feb
8)
- The Braun Strowman saga continues, with PWInsider suggesting Vince McMahon backed down from Undertaker plans due to fan backlash when their match
was floated online. There are plans in place for the Dead Man, but they're only known to a few and involve someone "totally unexpected." (Feb
9)
In one day, we go from Braun Strowman set to face The Undertaker at Wrestlemania and then Brock Lesnar at Summerslam to none of those things are
happening.
I never once worried that Strowman was going to be The Undertaker's opponent because it was an idea too stupid to even entertain. However, I
find it funny that the rumour mill suggests that online fan backlash is what has squashed those supposed plans. That doesn't make sense because
Vince & Co. are supposed to not give a shit what we think. And if wrestling fans all over the internet can complain hard enough to prevent a match
between The Undertaker and Braun Strowman, why is Roman Reigns still getting his super push?
I'm sticking by my long held belief that The Undertaker vs. Strowman was something thrown out there just to troll the internet.
"Love is making out with someone after you've blown a load on his/her face." - Dan Savage
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Flash
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Maybe Vince figured it's bad business to have your audience audibly crapping on two thirds of your main event...
Honestly it would not entirely surprise me to see Cena back to face Taker... he's in the gym already... yeah it was just a bare bar he was
lifting last week, but with about 6 weeks until then and super-Cena being who he is, I don't know that I'd entirely write him out of doing
the one match (they could still semi-bench him post Wrestlemania until he's 100%). Either that, if he's not capable of doing a match with
Taker, I'm guessing they find some other spot for Cena.... guest ref or something like that.
As for Stroman the best spot for him is in the Brock match... Bray going straight up against Brock is anti-climatic... sticking him in some kind of
gauntlet match to get at Bray is a bit better. Stroman got to look unmovable in the Rumble as Brock laid one jumping knee strike after another to
little effect; having him come close to taking out Brock as the guy before Bray would help move the needle in the right direction for the guy... small
steps. Honestly though; if you are going to do Brock versus the whole Wyatt family in some fashion, if wouldn't exactly damage Brock to lose to
4 pretty big dudes provided he takes out most of them.
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Slick
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Just saw on "The Big Lead" that Titus O'Neill was suspended for up to 90 days for messing around with Vince at the end of Raw. WTF?
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The Grindfather
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quote:
Originally posted by Flash
Maybe Vince figured it's bad business to have your audience audibly crapping on two thirds of your main event...
Honestly it would not entirely surprise me to see Cena back to face Taker... he's in the gym already... yeah it was just a bare bar he was
lifting last week, but with about 6 weeks until then and super-Cena being who he is, I don't know that I'd entirely write him out of doing
the one match (they could still semi-bench him post Wrestlemania until he's 100%). Either that, if he's not capable of doing a match with
Taker, I'm guessing they find some other spot for Cena.... guest ref or something like that.
As for Stroman the best spot for him is in the Brock match... Bray going straight up against Brock is anti-climatic... sticking him in some kind of
gauntlet match to get at Bray is a bit better. Stroman got to look unmovable in the Rumble as Brock laid one jumping knee strike after another to
little effect; having him come close to taking out Brock as the guy before Bray would help move the needle in the right direction for the guy... small
steps. Honestly though; if you are going to do Brock versus the whole Wyatt family in some fashion, if wouldn't exactly damage Brock to lose to
4 pretty big dudes provided he takes out most of them.
Yes to all of this. I think Cena will be back too, & while having a longer storyline to build a match between Taker & Cena would be preferable, Cena
could show up the week before & it would still work. The ref idea has to be the back-up plan because I don't see anyway he's not involved
somehow on the show. I think RKO has to be possibility as well (sorry Dom); it's been 9-10 years since their other match (which was pretty
good), Randy is much improved since then & he just works better as a heel. This could give him a launching pad to what would likely be his last strong
heel run.
Myself and buddy were talking the other day about having Brock in a gauntlet style match against the Wyatt's & how that would add a lot of
excitement to something that, on it's face, I'm not all that excited for. Brock v. Bray straight up is a foregone conclusion but having
him go through all 4 would be more fun & stands a much better chance of keeping the crowd engaged.
Somebody gonna get their ass kicked, somebody gonna get their wig split
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S Kid J E T S 48
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quote:
Originally posted by Slick
Just saw on "The Big Lead" that Titus O'Neill was suspended for up to 90 days for messing around with Vince at the end of Raw. WTF?
Yeah, saw it as it happened and the size of the suspension is ridiculous, but I have no idea what Titus was thinking doing that on air, whether he
thought the cameras were off or not. It's one thing getting embarrassed on air to give the rub to a Roman Reigns or CM Punk, it's another
when Titus O'Neil is grabbing you and pulling you quite suddenly during Daniel Bryan's final segment ever. That's the final thing
cameras caught, so I could see not just being sensitive to McMahon looking small, but just the moment being touched in any way, and as we know, WWE
holds those to heart. Anyway, hopefully cooler heads prevail. It's not the biggest thing, but a week suspension? That sounds better.
This kind of reminds me of that story Jericho and Batista talked about with the latter being fined in the 6 figures for bleeding on air. If
you're going to go off script, you better as hell hope it works...or you're The Rock, or this will happen. I can see how Vince will get
killed for this, but wrong place wrong time. Let's just get a bit of levity about it...no need for Titus to lose that Mania payday for this.
[Edited on 2-10-2016 by S Kid J E T S 48]
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SpiNNeR72
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I am guessing there is more to it. Why the hell would he have done that? Thats what struck me when watching it.
I'm gonna suggest he was in the shit for something else and was trying to get hold of Vince to talk to him about it, not realising they were
still on air.
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anglefan85
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Still, that's something that you do backstage.
The WWE: Where no one wins, unless you like Cena, in which case you are a sad little fanboy who will never get laid, but we are happy to take your
money away-Moosehead Jack
"She is an estrogen molotov cocktail. It'd be in your best interest not to piss her off."- My thoughts on Firewoman
"Kurt Angle is like a living vortex of the surreal. On the off chance he's not doing, saying or thinking crazy things, people connected to him
act crazy by association, caught in the gravitational pull of his insanity."- Ringout from FAN Forums
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denverpunk
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Yeah, it's one thing to fuck up on Twitter, but doing so live on camera remains the ultimate no-no. I hope this doesn't totally derail
Titus' career (and with anybody who is sane, it wouldn't), but given that he just jobbed to Adam Rose, he may be closer to future
endeavordom than we think. It sucks, because I really like the guy.
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Dyn-O-Mite
And I am AWESOME
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Bad week for Internet favorites -- CM Punk's reportedly having back surgery, UFC debut delayed once more...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2615582-cm-punk-injury-updates-on-ufc-stars-recovery-from-back-surgery?utm_source=twitter.com&utm;_medium=referral&u;
tm_campaign=programming-national
Spoiler alert: I'm borderline developmentally disabled at imbedding and/or anything technologically related on this site -- the ol' cut &
paste will have to do.
[Edited on 2-10-2016 by Dyn-O-Mite]
Always Imitated -- Never Duplicated
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Cherokee Jack
Man of a Thousand Holds
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quote:
Originally posted by denverpunk
Yeah, it's one thing to fuck up on Twitter, but doing so live on camera remains the ultimate no-no. I hope this doesn't totally derail
Titus' career (and with anybody who is sane, it wouldn't), but given that he just jobbed to Adam Rose, he may be closer to future
endeavordom than we think. It sucks, because I really like the guy.
I hadn't thought much of him losing to Rose. If anything, the
nature of the loss (lots of distraction/interference with a quick fluky roll up) made me immediately figure that we'd see Titus destroy the
Outcasts one by one over the next few shows.
I guess it's possible that there were issues beforehand, but as angle pointed out, even if the cameras WERE off, you're still on stage in
front of 20,000 people. Handle that shit backstage.
From what I was reading though, it was described as an act meant to be playful, but that Vince got pissed over. If that's the case, if you want
to make it clear to him that that wasn't the time or place, or even simply send a message to him and the entire roster that grabbing Vince in
that manner is never acceptable, fine. Send him home, suspend him for a week or two if you have to. Unless there's more to the story than we
know (which, to be fair, is possible), this possible 90 days being tossed around (which would have him missing Mania weekend) is ridiculous and makes
Vince look really small and petty.
I'm Cherokee Jack!
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Flash
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The Titus thing was just weird, and yeah I agree that 90 days is way overkill, especially for a guy who with his various charity work and that father
of the year award he got a year back has brought you nothing but good headlines.
Titus was probably always destined to be on the short list for future endeavouring (or since they don't do that as much anymore, he's
probably on short term contracts), but given the WWE's lack of main roster diversity and the good headlines he attracts he was probably safe-ish
for the next bit.
Here's hoping that despite the rumoured severity of his punishment that this is the end of it, and not a petty smear (over a small lack of
judgement) on his otherwise good name that leads to him being run out of town.
As for Punk.... You gotta wonder when the returns start diminishing on what was already looked upon as just a UFC headline grabber.... it's now
an over 1 year old twice delayed headline.... I'm sure it'll still pop their buy rates a bit and get them some headlines, but the whole
thing is starting to look tired before we eventually get there.
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CCharger
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quote:
Originally posted by Dyn-O-Mite
Bad week for Internet favorites -- CM Punk's reportedly having back surgery, UFC debut delayed once more...
[Edited on 2-10-2016 by Dyn-O-Mite]
Well, between his back and his shoulder, Punk now has two built-in excuses for when Gall forcibly sodomizes him in the octagon.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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Flash
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quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Well, between his back and his shoulder, Punk now has two built-in excuses for when Gall forcibly sodomizes him in the octagon.
... and if he stayed in the WWE all he would have had to do was blow Reigns in the ring.
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janerd75
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Yeah, Titus may have been a bit aggro with the tug and whatever game of slapass was going on between the two should have been handled backstage. But
hasn't Vince in the past set the standard that he likes it when guys get all macho and bro up in his face supposedly proving their worth that
they're tough enough to scrap with the boss by doing similar things? Weird situation and while I don't think his current position on the
roster helps, his charity work does, so hopefully cooler heads prevail. Vince, cooler heads. LOL.
"Kid, you got this thing. The stuff. The shit. The fuckin' grit, you got it, like me. But like me, that's all you fuckin' got. And
like me, you're no good to anyone doing anything else. All I'm saying is don't go trying to be a human being. You'll get your
fuckin' heart ripped out." - Ross "The Boss" Muthafuckin' Rhea, Master of Fucking Guys Up 101.
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Foxcalibur
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Oy. Sure, Vince. It's totally cool to get into bouts of grabass with the boys in your office, on airplanes; to goad guys like Kofi Kingston into
'rassling with you to prove they've got balls. That's all super cool and professional. We're all just bros here, bro-in'
it up!
But a dude briefly grabs your arm during the end of a segment, and he's out 90 days of work? Really? Randy Orton's routine wellness
violations earned him 60 days a pop, but touching Vince gets for a second gets you 90? What, is there a 30-day black-guy tax?
Who knows, maybe this'll be the straw that gets people to really pay attention to WWE's diversity issues. One thing about wrestling being
a "scripted" sport: it lets old white guys keep talented black athletes from dominating like they do in the unscripted ones.
NXT: It's like WWE, but fun!
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CCharger
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Perhaps the punishment was a bit harsh, but try to imagine grabbing your boss at the end of an all hands meeting like that and think about what the
repercussions might be for you.
When it Reigns, it bores.
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denverpunk
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quote:
Originally posted by Foxcalibur
Oy. Sure, Vince. It's totally cool to get into bouts of grabass with the boys in your office, on airplanes; to goad guys like Kofi Kingston into
'rassling with you to prove they've got balls. That's all super cool and professional. We're all just bros here, bro-in'
it up!
But a dude briefly grabs your arm during the end of a segment, and he's out 90 days of work? Really? Randy Orton's routine wellness
violations earned him 60 days a pop, but touching Vince gets for a second gets you 90? What, is there a 30-day black-guy tax?
Who knows, maybe this'll be the straw that gets people to really pay attention to WWE's diversity issues. One thing about wrestling being
a "scripted" sport: it lets old white guys keep talented black athletes from dominating like they do in the unscripted ones.
We're missing a lot of context and info, but I'm not disagreeing with you on its face. If it's as innocent as it seems, while Orton
gets less or nothing for sexual harassment and Batista gets less for humiliating a doctor giving a physical or forcing Booker T's fist into his
face, then there's a problem here
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Foxcalibur
Fella
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Even from a cynical, business-first standpoint, it's just stupid. The optics are terrible. Three months for touching you on camera? To a
well-liked black performer who won daddy-of-the-year or somesuch? He's been nothing but good press for you, and you suspend him for a quarter of
a year for THIS? Here's hoping Gawker or somesuch other internet sensationalism factory gets a hold of this news.
Even if racism had nothing to do with it (hint: it did) this sort of thing is a muckraking goldmine. Seriously, the best that can come of this is WWE
gets a whole lot of negative attention on their racial politics.
NXT: It's like WWE, but fun!
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Matte
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quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Perhaps the punishment was a bit harsh, but try to imagine grabbing your boss at the end of an all hands meeting like that and think about what the
repercussions might be for you.
I'm not sure you can really compare any of our jobs/bosses to WWE/Vince. You could also say "try to imagine tackling your boss and attempting
to best him in a physical confrontation and think what the repercussions might be for you." One of us doing this to our boss, sure, we could be
fired. One of the wrestlers doing this to Vince, you know, there have been documented cases showing they basically get a promotion.
quote:
Originally posted by Foxcalibur
Even if racism had nothing to do with it (hint: it did)
I haven't really followed the whole issue closely, where did racism come into the situation?
EDIT: From what I've seen and read about what happened, the suspension thing comes off as being a warning to the wrestlers. Basically, when
you're in front of a crowd, don't deviate from plans or step out of line or you will be punished for it. It seems like Vince and Titus are
bros, they were both smiling after the grabbing thing happened, it didn't come off as a big deal, but the boys shouldn't think that
it's ok to do stuff like that, so here's a suspension for you. Just my take.
[Edited on 2-10-2016 by Matte]
"I'm a professional. I know exactly what I'm doing." - Jeff Hardy
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Paddlefoot
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Titus should have known better than to do that in a serious moment but Vince over-reacted with the punishment. Conversely, Vince over-reacted with the
punishment but Titus should have known better than to do that in a serious moment. Turns out both are equally 50-50 true in this instance. 
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
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janerd75
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Titus should have known better than to do that in a serious moment. Your  symmetry amuses me.
"Kid, you got this thing. The stuff. The shit. The fuckin' grit, you got it, like me. But like me, that's all you fuckin' got. And
like me, you're no good to anyone doing anything else. All I'm saying is don't go trying to be a human being. You'll get your
fuckin' heart ripped out." - Ross "The Boss" Muthafuckin' Rhea, Master of Fucking Guys Up 101.
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Paddlefoot
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DWN said that Vince has been itching to slap some people into line for a while now, over things ranging from Paige and Alicia being kicked out of a
restaurant to Lana's social media activities leading to TMZ wrecking the angle with Summer/Ziggler/Rusev by publicizing the engagement. It looks
like Vince was inevitably going to nail someone hard anyway and Titus was the one unfortunate enough to do something that brought down the boss'
wrath.
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
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Flash
The Rowdy One
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quote:
Originally posted by CCharger
Perhaps the punishment was a bit harsh, but try to imagine grabbing your boss at the end of an all hands meeting like that and think about what the
repercussions might be for you.
Not quite the same; but when I was a kid working at the movie theatre I got sent to another city to help train the staff at a new big monster theatre;
I was dragging some cart and I guess I veered a bit to close to the president of the company (It was Cineplex which has like 100 theatres across
Canada) and wound up running over his foot with the cart; in trying to turn around to apologize I elbowed him in the stomach.... I wound up
apologizing a bunch and he said not to worry about it.
A little while later my regions district manager, a real Dick, was questioning about this when the president happened by... he then proceeded to run
at me and tackle me yelling "now we're even chump". Such a weird situation, but totally cool.
While that one was certainly unintentional and ended bizarrely, I just can't see any of my recent bosses losing it and overreacting like Vince
did.... maybe a private reprimand later. In saying that I could see giving Titus a one week slap on the wrist and send out a memo reminding everyone
that when there's a crowd you stick to the script... 90 days just feels extremely punitive for what transpired... I mean at this point in time
in terms of proportionality the WWE's rumoured actions have probably hurt their image far more than what was a momentary thing that probably
would have been old news a day later.
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