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posted on 2-3-2016 at 06:46 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The Road to WrestleMania 32

Starting a thread to somewhat consolidate WM32-related topics:

Rumored / projected / real card.
What I would do differently/how I would book it.
Shitting all over everything because WRESTLEMANIA and VINCE and whatnot

It's all over the place right now (Rumorz + weekly Raw threads)We've done this the past 2-3 years and it's seemingly worked, so I'm resurrecting the concept.




I was originally planning on going to WM32. I lived in Dallas for 11 years before moving to Seattle, and I moved right before JerryWorld opened and I hadn't been back for any sporting-type event. I was a little slow on the draw when tickets went on sale and was only finding obstructed view seats through Ticketmaster, so I didn't purchase them and planned on either doing resale market or seeing if they released more tickets as the event got closer.

I'm glad that I didn't end up getting tickets because this is not one that I would want to pay that much money for (family of 3 airfare + tickets + all the food/lodging/etc stuff that comes with travel) - would have been ~$2K when all was said and done.

I'm perfectly content to watch this one at home (or another local location) with friends on the WWE network and end up spending $100 on food drinks etc. There isn't anything on the card at this point that I would call "must see." I'm not saying it's a shit card or that it doesn't have the potential to shape up into something decent, but it's too big a stretch to go from where it's looking now to "must see / event of the year" type thing.



EDIT: The card that people are discussing


Reigns vs. HHH - WWE World Heavyweight Championship title
Lesnar vs. Wyatt (or Wyatt family or something Wyatt-y)
Undertaker vs. ....... Strowman's name is for some reason out there and I'm not believing this
Flair vs. Lynch vs. Banks - triple threat for Divas Championship (this will be good).

Do we get a MITB Ladder match? Lot's of people who could play in this one and make for a nice little match and spotfest.
Because we have TAG TEAMS!!! and nothing that I would call a hardcore rivalry going on (Usos - eh), do we get another dose of TAG TEAM TURMOIL!!!! for the belts
Do we get another (useless) Andre the Giant Battle Royale (or do we pretend after last year that that never happened and let it quietly fade away into obscurity).



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I feel like "MitB at Wrestlemania" is the new "Shelton and Carlito are in town for the Rumble": it's always thrown out there and it never happens. I imagine that WWE likes saving it for its own event midway through the year and that may not change ever. But Tag Team Turmoil is an easy sale and so is multi-person IC Title ladder match. And the Andre Battle Royal should just go away. It only seems to exist to show who WWE won't be pushing this year.

It also feels like I've cancelled the Network twice now before Mania because WWE isn't making a compelling "Road To". Though the NXT special looks to blow it away so there's a reason not to.





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Sorry - I get all the "shiny object hanging above the ring requiring ladder to get it and winner gets the shiny " matches and where they happen confused. IC belt. Briefcase. Undisputibed championship.

Yes - one of those matches at WM and if it's IC then that makes sense. (insert annual-or-some-other-frequency rumor about US/IC consolidation here).





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Depending on his recovery, and that he said the dirtsheets were full of shit about him needing a second surgery on his neck after his shoulder healed, I'm guessing that Orton will be the one to face Taker. Pretty sure that the Taker/Sting match will never happen ever. Batista's openly said he doesn't want to come back yet and is too busy with the filming of the second GOTG movie now underway. Rock's insurance issues/filming schedule rules him out. Lesnar has the Wyatts, including Strowman, to deal with. Reigns has Hunter and I still think that Ambrose is going to be involved in that feud for a while longer. Sheamus is still injured as of today. Cena's not coming back early from his injury this time around. Maybe there's an outside chance of someone like Owens going up against Taker but it's a pretty small chance. Most likely Owens is going to be in the mix with Ziggler/AJ and/or Zayn/Joe depending if they want to get them on the main roster, plus the other guys from the Bullet Club as well could get mixed up in that scene too if they get to the main roster instead of going to NXT first. This WM could be the one-off they allegedly want to sign Goldberg for. But no one's really shit all over a Taker match at WM for a long, long time though, and they wouldn't want that kind of fan reaction to happen at all, so the great greedy snapping turtle (with his unique ability to alienate entire audiences) is highly unlikely too. Same with Kane because no one wants to see the Bros of Destruction fighting each other ever again. So it's Orton or something completely surprising for Taker this time around.





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Depending on his recovery, and that he said the dirtsheets were full of shit about him needing a second surgery on his neck after his shoulder healed, I'm guessing that Orton will be the one to face Taker.



And somewhere at an undisclosed bunker in Florida, a man in an adult Gator onesie is calmly sipping from a Brandy snifter, casually admiring the vast collection of Titus O'Neal and A.J. Lee posters that adorn his study. He absentmindedly looks down at his laptop, clicks past his Tim Tebow screen saver to multiple open tabs of OO and begins to read. He finds the above quote and the glass falls from his hand, shattering to pieces on his orange and blue colored floor. His cat Mr. Steve Spurrier bolts from the room in fear as he senses his master's growing rage. The man closes his laptop and and clenches his fists, the anger rising like those neat lava island deals in the Pacific that are so cool to watch in high def on, like, Discovery Channel or some shit...oh, right...

The man begins to tear the fabric of his onesie as he looks over to the stacks and stacks of boxes labelled, "RKO Remotes", all of which an insane person had carefully removed every button save for the ones marked "Play" and "FF". Out of the endtable drawer next to him he removes a vegetable peeler, bandages, and a bottle of lube. He wept as he slowly became engorged and tumescent, whispering to himself, "No, no, no, no, not again, you son of a bitch. Not again".

Fin.

Sorry, went into a fugue state for a second. What did I miss? Oh, right. Who's Taker facing. Well, mah Canegro just gave me the inspirado. Owens, I think, would be great, but I think he's better served with some combo of Zayn/Ziggler/AJ/Ambrose. I like the Sausage King and am glad he's supplanting Kane and Big Show as their premiere big guy. Too green, though, and Taker needs a quality operator to help him look good.

So lately with Taker he's added quasi MMA repertoire to his gimmick ever since him and HHH and especially since Lesnar. So what other person on the roster could possibly fit the badass bill as a legit asskicker? Samoa Joe. Yes, yes, he'll be busy at Takeover. But considering who he's fighting, you could almost make a case for somehow injecting his Gay Demon Spooky into the mix as well. If it's not Taker's farewell, then why not call up a couple of the NXT "kids" to play in his sandbox? Hell, are they bold enough to have Taker offer to beat anyone at WM and then, instead of an Andre Battle Royal, have one guy after the next come down and get chokeslammed...until finally Joe comes out and it. Is. ON!

It's gonna be the Legend Killer, isn't it? Meh, it fits I guess, and the crowd will just shit overpriced concession taquitos when he hits an RKO, so....





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And the internet responds to the Soviet Canuckistani's suggestion thusly,



You should take Jeb's suggestion to heart on how to deal with upset in a better manner. That potato peeler sounds painful. Just pour a cup of tea, look out the window over the bay (or the crack dealers in your condo's parking lot) as it cools, and sigh wistfully. Melancholia. Us WWE fans haz it.





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T'weren't me to whoms I was referring. T'was the other Gayturd on the bOOard. Lurnn too read suttlety stoobid Cannunist!

Outside of Joe, and I am so, so, so sorry Dom, but I wouldn't mind Randell Dorfman vs. Taker at Mania. Legend Killer gimmick, natch. Sweet pop from an absence-makes-the-heart-grow-fonder perspective. Though I still like my semi-gauntlet match-ish thing-a-ma-bob by having them not announce the opponent until right before or at Mania to get away from the point-at-WM sign dealie that's standard practice now. It's Taker. He's a Mania staple now. He'll be fighting someone and fans will show up for that no matter who it is. Except for maybe The Sausage King. But especially if it's Daniel Bryan.

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Melancholia. Us WWE fans haz it.


I wish. I could use some Melancholia right now. Von Trier FTW! Also, NSFW, dummies.





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We got UT Orton doing Legend vs Legend Killer theme at WM 21


They can rematch or whatever. Just don't repeat that as the reason why.





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Sorry. All SEC fans look the same to me.

[Edited on 2/4/2016 by Paddlefoot]





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We got UT Orton doing Legend vs Legend Killer theme at WM 21

They can rematch or whatever. Just don't repeat that as the reason why.


Yes, but now it's 11 years later. You just refuse to see the good in things, don't you?

Weird thought, but what if, like the past two years in a god row, they course correct at the last second...and Ambrose wins at Fastlane to meet HHH at Mania? Reigns is thwarted agayn. No better impetus for The Turn than that. But before that happens Roman faces the Undertaker instead of Strowman. So with a minor shift in personnel you would get a major change in scenery...

HHH vs. Ambrose (WWE Title)

Undertaker vs. Reigns (With some vague backstory even though it was BikerTaker)

With HHH vs. Ambrose, you get a more classic Heel vs. Face, even though Dean's within shouting distance of the tweener/anti-hero persona. Regardless, there would be a significantly lower chance of fan revolt considering Dean's overosity. Ambrose wins and the crowd goes home happy, or at least much happier than the alternative.

With Undertaker vs. Reigns, Roman would be best served getting his turn on by freaking out and decimating Taker...after he takes a Tombstone and a loss. Taker gets a win on the home turf, but he helps put the kid over at the same time.

Next night on Raw, the Authority can at least continue the mind games and emphasize the Dean win and the Roman loss to further the inevitable split.

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Hey, that's racist! And startlingly accurate! Jebus, that comic's every small town north of Orlando and south of the Mason-Dixon.





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1) Looking forward to AJ Styles winning the Intercontinental Title from Rusev/Kevin Owens.

2) Undertaker vs Roman Reigns looks good provided Undertaker is winning.

3) It will be very interesting if Cena returns at Wrestlemania and turns heel on Roman Reigns.

4) Maybe Samoa Joe gets on the Wrestlemania card.





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I like the Sausage King and am glad he's supplanting Kane and Big Show as their premiere big guy.



Ehhhh, I don't see it. The dude has done nothing memorable since his debut. What moves does he even have besides that bearhug/sleeper finisher? I guess he probably does a clothesline, but I'd have to look it up.

Luke Harper should be the next monster in the WWE. Dude is big, can look scary and can put on great matches.

Poor Undertaker always has to have matches with this big worthless fucks that Vince has a boner for (Giant Gonzalez, Great Khali). But this isn't 10, 20 years ago where a match with one of this loads wasn't a big deal since Taker was still full time and could move on to a feud with somebody else. He's only got a handful of matches left, and can't waste one on Strowman. Not only that, Taker can't exactly be expected to carry someone to a good match anymore.

Now I actually kinda hope this happens, just so we can have one of the all-time worst Mania upper cards.





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I just figure Braun Strowman is going to be used big to get in on that crossover money:



Even though it doesn't start up again until a bit after Wrestlemania...

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I like the Sausage King and am glad he's supplanting Kane and Big Show as their premiere big guy.



Ehhhh, I don't see it. The dude has done nothing memorable since his debut. What moves does he even have besides that bearhug/sleeper finisher? I guess he probably does a clothesline, but I'd have to look it up.

Luke Harper should be the next monster in the WWE. Dude is big, can look scary and can put on great matches.

Poor Undertaker always has to have matches with this big worthless fucks that Vince has a boner for (Giant Gonzalez, Great Khali). But this isn't 10, 20 years ago where a match with one of this loads wasn't a big deal since Taker was still full time and could move on to a feud with somebody else. He's only got a handful of matches left, and can't waste one on Strowman. Not only that, Taker can't exactly be expected to carry someone to a good match anymore.

Now I actually kinda hope this happens, just so we can have one of the all-time worst Mania upper cards.


I dunno, for some reason I don't find him as offensive as Gonzalez or Khali, and I'm a bit tired of Kane and Show (but not Henry) as the go to big guys. And absolutely on Harper because he checks all the boxes of agile for a big guy, menacing, and can talk. But seeing Strowman next to Show and Kane, to me, is pretty damn impressive. But I agree he is green and shouldn't go anywhere near Taker, considering his dance card for the past several Manias have included the likes of Shawn, HHH, Punk, and Lesnar. In comparing Braun to those guys, one of those things is most certainly not like the other. Reigns, however, I think would cure a lot of ills should he face Taker instead.

I'm not sure if someone mentioned this before, but considering the course corrections they've done the past two Manias, I wonder if it's possible if the Strowman vs. Taker rumors are getting floated by WWE just to gauge social media outcry so they can then get a better sense of what they should or shouldn't do going forward once they realize the potential fan revolt is getting too big too ignore. In a similar vein, I worked for a retardedly rich guy with a borderline/narcissistic bi-polar personality (like Vince) before. He would just get absolutely frenzied and determined to push his way through with his ideas even though the rest of the team knew it would end in disaster. Sure enough, enough failures that he captained to fruition would pile up that he would eventually go catatonic, chuck down a handful of meds, go away for a while and then that would allow us to fix what he fucked up in peace. I'm curious to know if that's what HHH has to go through in the buildup to WM with Vince getting more and more incredulous as to why we're not buying into what he's selling and then peacing the fuck out when he realizes in frustration all us ingrate primates ain't giving in about certain things. Not necessarily justifying wankery or fans going into business for themselves, just the general concern that something like HHH/Reigns and Taker/Strowman are not being well received overall.

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Luke Harper should be the next monster in the WWE. Dude is big, can look scary and can put on great matches.



This is true and Luke is pretty underutilized as part of a stable.

Maybe Eric Rowan and that Big Teddy Bear can be new Wyatt Tag Team and Luke can be put into the Intercontinental/U.S Title Mix. He looks like he can beat up most of the roster quite easily.





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Scott Hall's suggestion to make the main event more main-eventy:

Reigns (w/ Rock in corner) vs. HHH (w/ HBK in corner) with Daniel Bryan as special guest referee.





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They probably don't want the ref to be a million times more over than the guy who will win the title.

Cole: Reigns did it! He finally overcame the Authority and beat the odds to win the WWE Championship (for the third time in four months)!

JBL: The WWE Universe must have really loved the ref work Bryan did, Maggle! They can't stop chanting for him!

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If it's Orton vs. Taker that's fine by me. Orton can't break the streak, it's already broken. And if Taker retires two people in the same match, winner is us.





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If it's Orton vs. Taker that's fine by me. Orton can't break the streak, it's already broken. And if Taker retires two people in the same match, winner is us.


Creating positivity from a negative scenario, Dom-style? That's not a bad thing.....



This might actually be a POTY candidate. The cynicism and misanthropy and sheer hatred for one insignificant little individual sports entertainment choad is so off the scale it's really quite breathtaking.





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The newest Stroman related rumour is that he's actually better in the ring than he looks, and that Vince and the PTB have told him to not really do stuff in the ring so that once he's pushed he'll look better.....

Yeah.... that's a real rumour.

The WWE's new talent philosophy: package talent like crap, then have them do stuff so people like them! It's worked for Rei..... er, never mind.

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I still hate that the WWE has a PPV between the Royal Rumble and WrestleMania. And I get that Fastlane (or whatever PPV has been done in years past between the Rumble and Mania) can be used to further along storylines, and that's fine, but it just seems like a stutter-step on the proverbial Road to WrestleMania. I'd prefer the WrestleMania feuds to start simmering the night after the Rumble, without having to think "oh shit, we still have another PPV to go before the buildup to WrestleMania really begins."

As for this year's show, I dunno...it just feels kind of weird with all of the injuries and outside of Triple H/Reigns and Lesnar/Bray, we have zero idea what anyone else is going to be involved in. Though I do have a feeling that like last year, we're going to see guys like AJ, Ambrose, Owens, Ziggler, Neville, etc all lumped together in some kind of ladder match.





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I solved this problem in April.

http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/viewthread.php?tid=30337





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Rumor, but WM32 related, so putting it here:

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Braun Strowman vs. Undertaker is now completely off the table for WrestleMania because the new plan is for Strowman to win the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal. That would lead right on into the previously rumored big match with Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam.



Regardless of whether the Strowman/UT rumor was true or not, this seemingly makes it all go away and that is a good thing.

However, this is our first sign that the AtGMBR may in fact be continuing on this year's card, which I'm not sure I'm happy about....but this would be a far more effective use of Strowman and accomplishing whatever hard-on based objectives they have for him and WM's role in getting said hard-on plan in motion.





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The Andre Battle Royal would be better if they just made a few tweaks to it:

1. Have it two months earlier.

2. Have the prize be a championship match.

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The Andre Battle Royal would be better if they just made a few tweaks to it:

1. Have it two months earlier.

2. Have the prize be a championship match.



Can it be called the Aristocratic Altercation or Magnate Melee? If only the WWE had a similar pre-established long-standing PPV that, when booked correctly, could solve all the issues you bring up.





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