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And then Roman won with a basic, and kinda soft spear. That was a terribly booked ending. Powerbomb on chair. Triple powerbomb with the Uso assist.
ANYTHING out of the ordinary would have been better. You let Roman kick out of multiple Style clashes, and cool spots...to end with that.
And garbage like that is why people hate him, and will continue to hate him. But why should creative actually make an effort and to make their face
champion into a face, when they can just have the announce team say things like, "love him or hate him, these fans are passionate!"
In another terribly booked ending, Charlotte wins again via chicanery... because that isn't beyond fucking old or anything. I'm about
ready for her and Ric to fuck right off TV for a while.
At least the IC Title match was the tits. All four guys brought their A+ game, and I'm not even upset with the ending as I've always dug
The Miz and I don't think he gets a fraction of the credit he deserves.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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Quentil
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Yeah, the ppv was mostly meh. I had the same thought in regards to, "Oh, so Reigns kicks out of two Clashes and puts him down with one Spear? Yeah,
I give up on trying to justify Roman Reigns."
As of last night, consider me a hater in regards to that, I guess.
Edit: Even when Rollins came out and the people I was with started marking out I got up and just went into the kitchen to grab a drink. Because I
didn't care by then.
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Nobledictator1278
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I think folks are really being unfair to Reigns. I don't even consider myself a huge Reigns guy and really hate how WWE forced him down my
throat. With that said there is no arguing the fact that Reigns was not the problem, and more so WWE is right Reigns is a major player for the
company.....I just think they didn't have to force it like they have.
Reigns came out last night looking like a million bucks. It wasn't like it was just one spear.....AJ came spring off the ropes into a spear.
Before that AJ got his ass beat at ring side and took a sick Razor Edge Powerbomb that he kicked out of. The whole spot of AJ beating everyone with
chairs was a desperate man trying to win.... he had put everything he had into that and Roman finished him. It was a excellent story....I think
anyway. Id even go as far as to say that AJ vs Reigns was a great program for Reigns and both of them come out looking better than they did when they
started.
Reigns looked legit last night, his mannerism's has gotten better, and he isn't feeling like a character playing a role...but is starting
to have normal reactions come out of him. I think Reigns is going to be getting cheered legit by Summerslam and this hatred to him will go except
from the stubborn. WWE is goign to win this one because fans don't want to rebel on the product....not really and Reigns is good enough that he
will win the fans over. I don't know that he will ever be a internet darling....but I don't think he is going to be John Cena levels of
polarizing either. Its going to be somewhere in between. Personally I think at this point the hatred of Roman Reigns is just a cool thing to
do....and eventually that pendulum is going to swing the other way....where folks will quit hating him because THATS the cool thing to do.
So Reigns feuds with Rollins now and there is 0 chance that Rollins comes out of this with a win....and IF he does win ....no way he comes out of this
feud champion. Reigns is going to be champion for a long long time....no way if your WWE/Vince/Power to be there do you promote Reigns through TWO
wrestlemanias and piss off your fan base if your not going to ride that horse into the ground. Reigns unless he fucks up on a professional level love
it or hate it is the horse they are riding for a long time. The question becomes when will Reigns lose.... I have a feeling it won't be until
after WM (with maybe a one month fluke champion at some point) unless Reigns becomes injured.
Im wondering if the person to have the next clean victory on him (that matters) is even on the roster right now....or on the NXT roster for that
matter. In the meantime there are so many great feuds for Roman Reigns that we can explore....Owens, Zayn, Cesaro and Miz...could all be put in in a
pinch. Then you have the tried and true that WWE will do in Orton, Brock, Rollins, and Cena. Then a few wild cards like Baylor, Samoa Joe, and
Nakamura....all of these feuds can headline the show. Looking at all these names.... Reigns is going to be champion for a long long time.
WWE roster right now is stacked with so much talent that can be upper midcard or main event of folks in their prime or on the rise. I can't
remember in my life time them having such a strong roster and I have been watching since WM III my first WM that I remember caring about WWE. The
attitude era had Austin, Rock, Foley, HHH, HBK, Bret Hart.......but this era....is stacked from top to bottom and there are going to be more and more
talents like Dustin Rhodes leaving the company because there are just too many mouths to feed. With all those names listed above....what is the
company going to do with Big E, Corbin, Wyatt, Ambrose, Del Rio, Sheamus....etc sure some of them will be players but they all can't be.....
there are going to be some hurt feelings and some ugly divorces. Its a good problem I guess for WWE to have...but also kinda its a bad one. I wonder
if a side product of the NXT system is going to be a avenue for new talent to go to other companies and make those companies stronger.
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You guys are insane. Rollins is every bit a threat to take the title from ReBoooooooo. Even if Reigns is the new Cena, Rollins is the new HBK.
It's not completely impossible that Rollins beats him for the title tonight on Raw. This dude had like an 8 month title run just last year.
As for Ambrose I believe we are going to transition to the MITB where he'll win and set up the long awaited SHIELD triple threat at SummerSlam
for the WWE championship.
Get off my lawn.
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royberto
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quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
You guys are insane. Rollins is every bit a threat to take the title from ReBoooooooo. Even if Reigns is the new Cena, Rollins is the new HBK.
It's not completely impossible that Rollins beats him for the title tonight on Raw. This dude had like an 8 month title run just last year.
HBK was fed to Cena. Bad comparison.
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The Grindfather
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Styles had to have earned some points with Vince & the crew backstage with these last two PPV's; he bumped his ass off & sold like a champ for
Roman. Making Roman look like a million bucks may just be the most important thing somebody in AJ's position could do right now. Obviously,
since he's working with the champion, he'll slide down the card a little because there's no where to go, but I'm not worried
he'll become a glorified jobber; he'll be in the main event periphery. Needs to win a few PPV matches coming up though. Just not Money in
the Bank... please don't saddle him with that albatross WWE.
Rollins was a welcomed sight. I think SummerSlam seems like the first point where Reigns may have a chance at dropping the title & I can't
imagine they roll with Rollins v. Reigns until then, so I'm kinda at a loss as to how to book their matches. Rollins is an important piece &
they can't have him lose a couple to Roman. I'm guessing DQ/smozz the first time & then maybe a returning HHH screws Rollins the second
match, setting up Rollins v. HHH at Summerslam & freeing up Roman for a Cena match...maybe?
Somebody gonna get their ass kicked, somebody gonna get their wig split
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Quentil
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quote:
Originally posted by Nobledictator1278
I think folks are really being unfair to Reigns. I don't even consider myself a huge Reigns guy and really hate how WWE forced him down my
throat. With that said there is no arguing the fact that Reigns was not the problem, and more so WWE is right Reigns is a major player for the
company.....I just think they didn't have to force it like they have.
Eh. Just eh. As one of the people who said something in this thread, i felt the need to reply. I've been a moderate supporter of Reigns long
after most everyone else I know has hated him and his push that defies reason. And I'm not going to say it's his fault for his position in
the company, or the angst and enmity it's caused among a large portion of the WWE fans. I'm sure he's a swell guy, a good family
man, and does lots of good deeds.
Still, I can most assuredly tell you that I'm not being unfair to the character he portrays and the company that owns it. I was there at least
tolerant of it for months...years. But it's gotten to the point where I just want it over with. Much like the authority got to my nerves after
awhile in it just being a played out pointless story for me. Only in this case, it's worse because it's a real life crowd and fanbase
being told they don't know any better and that WWE will tell them who to like, goddammit. Or else.
Look, crowds (and fans in general) shouldn't get away with dictating terms at companies often. Companies cannot be held hostage by a small
element of people bitching online. I mean, that's a given. But when you start noticeably editing the audio and video to try to change what
really happened and what the crowd really thinks, you've crossed a creative line, and an ethical one. The crowd is part of the story in
wrestling, and in a real way they are part of the cast. How they react feeds into things, and when they react overwhelming poorly, across every
market and most demographics over a long period of time, then the company _should_ perhaps rethink things a bit. I understand that product and ad
space need lead time, so it's not always easy to shift in the middle of things. But in this case, it's still going on because the company
has flat out told the fans to piss off.
WWE isn't wrong in that people are still going to tune into their show and buy their network. And they know this. So they don't have to
care. At least for now. But in the long-term, this sort of cavalier attitude could eventually lose them their fans to another company or just in
regards to wrestling in general. They are aware of this, I'm sure. So it just makes the whole thing even more confusing to me.
And what makes it more frustrating is seeing them just lie on air and try to portray the boos and derision as "passion" or "excitement" or to
blame the town they are in as being the exception. Just admit to the boos and work it into things more. Or work to, you know, have your #1 face in
the company actually get cheers. But that's crazy talk.
I realize this ramble isn't going to change any minds at all. And it's not really meant to. But no, I don't feel like I'm
being unfair in regards to the WWE or the character that is Roman Reigns when I simply say that I'm sick of this unlikable and non-working story
being pushed despite the complete lack of success of telling it. Does that mean I'll stop paying $10 a month to get WWE Network? No. Does it
mean I'm unfair in my thoughts in regards to a storyline and a character? Nah. It doesn't matter how hard the real Roman works to polish
the turd. It's still a turd. I take no offense at him as a person in doing so, and making lots of cash while in the process of it. It
doesn't mean I have to think he's enjoyable at it, though.
[Edited on 5-23-2016 by Quentil]
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salmonjunkie
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quote:
Originally posted by The Grindfather
Styles had to have earned some points with Vince & the crew backstage with these last two PPV's; he bumped his ass off & sold like a champ for
Roman. Making Roman look like a million bucks may just be the most important thing somebody in AJ's position could do right now. Obviously,
since he's working with the champion, he'll slide down the card a little because there's no where to go, but I'm not worried
he'll become a glorified jobber; he'll be in the main event periphery. Needs to win a few PPV matches coming up though. Just not Money in
the Bank... please don't saddle him with that albatross WWE.
My prediction - AJ Styles wins the Intercontinental Title from The Miz tonight.
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Nobledictator1278
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I can't see AJ beating Miz tonight after Miz just had one of his career achieving wins last night. Plus I think Aj's first feud is Finn
Balor, Miz needs it more than AJ will in that feud.
[Edited on 5-23-2016 by Nobledictator1278]
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williamssl
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When Miz loses the title, it should be as part of a feud where he already has 1-2 "retain the title via nefarious means" matches under his belt.
Getting himself DQ'd, Maryse being a distraction or otherwise enabling a win. Etc. Culminate it in a stip match like no DQ and/or a
"final shot and then out of contention" thing.
They've got a great formula and (natural) chemistry with the Miz/Maryse pairing. That needs to be be forefront in the feud that ultimately
sees him lose the title, perhaps at SummerSlam.
If they just move it off him to someone else outta nowhere, I will be sad.
Don't Mess With Texas
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The Grindfather
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For a while I had thought Miz's ultimate destiny was to be the mouthpiece for a Heenan-like family. And while he's not a KO or Zayn type
worker, he can hold his own just fine, he gets heat & he's got a Wrestelmania main-event win over Cena, which can be his, "I beat Austin & Rock
in the same night!"
Since we got the visual of Cesaro forcing him to tap last night, I'd imagine Cesaro stays hot on his heels & he's eventually the one to
take the IC title.
Somebody gonna get their ass kicked, somebody gonna get their wig split
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Bummed AJ lost but the return of Seth freakin' Rollins made that pill about 1,000,000 times easier to swallow. Does anyone know how injured AJ
really is? He sure didn't look it last night although the guy does seem to be superhuman (and I'm sure those spots didn't do his
body any favors). I'm just wondering if he's going to take some time off, at least from in-ring action. And then, how many flavors of
awesome sauce would a (possibly heel) AJ be going against champion Seth Rollins?!
"Hulk Hogan have the sex with some dumb bitch on the TV. The girl smart if she make the $$ from his bald ass but she also desperate to have sex with
the howdy doody like Hulk Hogan. He worse than Mel Gibson and I think now %10000 he prove he have grasshopper dick and raisin balls." - The Iron
Sheik
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Paddlefoot
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From what I read about AJ they aren't major injuries. Just nagging ones that would go away with some time off and mild rehab. It's his age
too because at 38 he's probably feeling it a lot more than he did a decade ago. Considering the tear he's been on since he arrived at the
RR this year it stands to reason he could use a short break to get back up to speed.
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
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gobbledygooker
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If I may fantasy book for a moment - Seth beats Roman freakin' yesterday for the title and is massively over as the top babyface. AJ takes a
few months off, Seth has a couple of short-lived feuds while defending the title. AJ then returns and goes full heel with The Club and feuds with
Seth.
Smark boner.
"Hulk Hogan have the sex with some dumb bitch on the TV. The girl smart if she make the $$ from his bald ass but she also desperate to have sex with
the howdy doody like Hulk Hogan. He worse than Mel Gibson and I think now %10000 he prove he have grasshopper dick and raisin balls." - The Iron
Sheik
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The Hitcher
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Depending on the severity of his injury status I can see them giving AJ the MiTB as a "we trust you, well done, but not right now" kinda thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if this little feud was one part helping Roman look good and one part audition (because, WWE.)
[Edited on 5-23-2016 by The Hitcher]
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anglefan85
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That IC 4-way has to be the top contender for main roster Match of the Year. Everyone brought their A-game, including The Miz, who won in classic
chickenshit fashion.
The WWE: Where no one wins, unless you like Cena, in which case you are a sad little fanboy who will never get laid, but we are happy to take your
money away-Moosehead Jack
"She is an estrogen molotov cocktail. It'd be in your best interest not to piss her off."- My thoughts on Firewoman
"Kurt Angle is like a living vortex of the surreal. On the off chance he's not doing, saying or thinking crazy things, people connected to him
act crazy by association, caught in the gravitational pull of his insanity."- Ringout from FAN Forums
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DKBroiler
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quote:
Originally posted by royberto
quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
You guys are insane. Rollins is every bit a threat to take the title from ReBoooooooo. Even if Reigns is the new Cena, Rollins is the new HBK.
It's not completely impossible that Rollins beats him for the title tonight on Raw. This dude had like an 8 month title run just last year.
HBK was fed to Cena. Bad comparison.
Sure ... after he had already won 4 or 5 world championships and Cena was still being built. Rollins has had 1 title while ReBoooooo has 3 already.
They are also contemporaries. Maybe Edge would have been a better comparison though. Guy had, what, 9 titles in like 4 years?
All I'm saying is that while ReBoooooo is clearly the guy (wacka wacka), Rollins is at worst the second guy and obviously has the McMahon
approved backing. He's gonna win 10 more championships (health permitting) and a few of them will obviously be versus ReBooooooooo.
Get off my lawn.
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CM Crunk
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That'd actually be a nice bulletpoint for Seth to touch upon once Roman starts droning on about being "THE guy." He might be a 3 time world
champion, but that's all happened in the past six months. Seth's been a world champ once, for eight months or so, and he still would be if
he hadn't gotten injured. Seth is in a perfect position to maintain a lot of his weasely persona and interpretations of the past and STILL come
off as a white hot babyface against BROCKTOON.
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I've only really been watching the PPV's for the past several months, so I wasn't sure how I'd feel about tonight as you have
a guy who's billed as a legend but who I have next to no exposure to, and a guy who the WWE hasn't given us a lot of reasons to like in
our main event.
Great match, maybe the kick outs and false finishes got a bit too high, and Roman selling being hurt and still doing his wolf howl cocking of the arm
thing over and over has got to stop, but overall a pretty decent match... AJ going nuts with the chair is what sold me on him once and for all... He
just meant it.
The back stage pre-show area brawl was cool, and the big table spot was well done... I just think in the end the WWE didn't know what to do with
the new but really over guy versus their long term plans that no one wants scenario either... and then entered Rollins to magnify this problem so much
more.
Still nice to see him back, and I'm hoping for big things to continue for AJ.
Ambrose vs Jericho was good... I think some of it was they were launching a new gimmick match that's not really new... the flow just never quite
seemed to be there, but the effort for sure was. Sick spot for Jericho with the tac's. I think someone above nailed it with the description of
good wrestling, no story.
The fatal four way was excellent- match of the night.
I'm almost done with Charlotte; that ending sucked... and as champ, she's kind of the lynchpin of the division... Nattie looked great out
there, but that was another dumpy finish. Nattie winning could have let them transition the title to someone else quickly and freshen up a division
that doesn't have a lot of depth... so having one person not even dominate it kind of kills it a bit.
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merc
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quote:
Originally posted by Quentil
quote:
Originally posted by Nobledictator1278
I think folks are really being unfair to Reigns. I don't even consider myself a huge Reigns guy and really hate how WWE forced him down my
throat. With that said there is no arguing the fact that Reigns was not the problem, and more so WWE is right Reigns is a major player for the
company.....I just think they didn't have to force it like they have.
Eh. Just eh. As one of the people who said something in this thread, i felt the need to reply. I've been a moderate supporter of Reigns long
after most everyone else I know has hated him and his push that defies reason. And I'm not going to say it's his fault for his position in
the company, or the angst and enmity it's caused among a large portion of the WWE fans. I'm sure he's a swell guy, a good family
man, and does lots of good deeds.
Still, I can most assuredly tell you that I'm not being unfair to the character he portrays and the company that owns it. I was there at least
tolerant of it for months...years. But it's gotten to the point where I just want it over with. Much like the authority got to my nerves after
awhile in it just being a played out pointless story for me. Only in this case, it's worse because it's a real life crowd and fanbase
being told they don't know any better and that WWE will tell them who to like, goddammit. Or else.
Look, crowds (and fans in general) shouldn't get away with dictating terms at companies often. Companies cannot be held hostage by a small
element of people bitching online. I mean, that's a given. But when you start noticeably editing the audio and video to try to change what
really happened and what the crowd really thinks, you've crossed a creative line, and an ethical one. The crowd is part of the story in
wrestling, and in a real way they are part of the cast. How they react feeds into things, and when they react overwhelming poorly, across every
market and most demographics over a long period of time, then the company _should_ perhaps rethink things a bit. I understand that product and ad
space need lead time, so it's not always easy to shift in the middle of things. But in this case, it's still going on because the company
has flat out told the fans to piss off.
WWE isn't wrong in that people are still going to tune into their show and buy their network. And they know this. So they don't have to
care. At least for now. But in the long-term, this sort of cavalier attitude could eventually lose them their fans to another company or just in
regards to wrestling in general. They are aware of this, I'm sure. So it just makes the whole thing even more confusing to me.
And what makes it more frustrating is seeing them just lie on air and try to portray the boos and derision as "passion" or "excitement" or to
blame the town they are in as being the exception. Just admit to the boos and work it into things more. Or work to, you know, have your #1 face in
the company actually get cheers. But that's crazy talk.
I realize this ramble isn't going to change any minds at all. And it's not really meant to. But no, I don't feel like I'm
being unfair in regards to the WWE or the character that is Roman Reigns when I simply say that I'm sick of this unlikable and non-working story
being pushed despite the complete lack of success of telling it. Does that mean I'll stop paying $10 a month to get WWE Network? No. Does it
mean I'm unfair in my thoughts in regards to a storyline and a character? Nah. It doesn't matter how hard the real Roman works to polish
the turd. It's still a turd. I take no offense at him as a person in doing so, and making lots of cash while in the process of it. It
doesn't mean I have to think he's enjoyable at it, though.
[Edited on 5-23-2016 by Quentil]
Quent, I'm curious about something in your last paragraph. Are you saying Roman's (improved) in ring work is irrelevant because the story
is a turd? If that's the case, it really helps clarify why the RR haters hate for me.
I'm not a big story guy, as the infamous writer monkeys drive that part of the program. I'm more about the athletic performance and mic
work. I've enjoyed RR development, but can understand the thought that one shouldn't be "developing" at the top (although Rollins did
and not a lot of hate there).
They are called "letters" when put together they make "words". Words make moving photos unnecessary.
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A better comparison would be Rollins being the Orton to Roman's Cena. Yes, Rollins is a threat in the same sense Orton was always a threat to
Cena.
The underwhelming ending wasn't really any different than Cena beating Owens last year seconds after locking the STF while Owens had thrown
everything at him. One one hand, it is a lame ending on the other, Cena did his super duper top rope AA in the middle of that match just like AJ ate 2
finishers and 2 table bumps before that gentle spear.
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williamssl
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When Rollns dislocates his shoulder doing his yet-to-be-implemented version of Vipering Up.......I will find you. I will hunt you.
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Paddlefoot
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For a guy whose knee basically exploded I'm amazed that he chose to take out Reigns with a move that puts a lot of impact into the knees the way
the Pedigree does.
You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.
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Quentil
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Originally posted by merc
Quent, I'm curious about something in your last paragraph. Are you saying Roman's (improved) in ring work is irrelevant because the story
is a turd? If that's the case, it really helps clarify why the RR haters hate for me.
I'm not a big story guy, as the infamous writer monkeys drive that part of the program. I'm more about the athletic performance and mic
work. I've enjoyed RR development, but can understand the thought that one shouldn't be "developing" at the top (although Rollins did
and not a lot of hate there).
I'm not saying that people shouldn't keep evolving to improve their ring skills and their character. I'm not even sure where
you'd get that I was. But on the topic in general? I would say that I see no serious evolution in Roman Reigns' character, and his
matches are still about the same as they have always been.
I don't think I've ever questioned his ring work as being part of the cause of my growing apathy towards him. Heck, that finishing spear
on Styles the other night looked great imo. But it seemed to just be more of the same. Not an evolution at all. My reaction by that point was,
"Huh, he kicked out of two Styles' Clashes and took all those chair shots, but all it took was a spear and he gets the pin. I bet you he comes
out tomorrow saying that he's 'The Guy' and then does a shotgun arm cock." Which, admittedly, he does do too much. The shogun arm
thing, I mean. Some matches it feels like he's doing it before every other move.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if they are working towards some big reveal or shift that explains it all (even if in haphazard retconned
format), then I hope they do it soon as I'm losing interest in their flagship dude's story. And I've been one of the last people to
get off the ship in that, as I've tended to support giving the story a chance for longer than most others seem to have.
But to answer the question part of your statement? Yes, I do think Roman's (essentially the same as it's ever been) ring work
doesn't matter at all in regards to saving a bad story. A good actor can still be in a shitty movie, after all. It doesn't make them
less skilled at what they do, and a shitty movie doesn't somehow make them a bad person in real life. Just like how a good movie role
doesn't make the earlier shitty movie somehow better. That's kind of my point. I don't think there's any real hatred for
Roman Reigns as a person. I think people can and do and will cheer for him as a face or boo him as a heel in the proper fan way if given even the
most basic of decent story and a chance to do so.
It's not his fault he's getting booed. At least, I don't think it is. It's the fault of the company who is trying to push a
square peg into a round hole. When you start openly lying to your audience about something, as well as actively editing the product to change the
audience's seeming acceptance of it...Then yeah. It's taxation without representation, to use a tenuous metaphor. If the WWE wants the
audience to be part of their product, and to have on-camera input and value in doing so, then they shouldn't be altering the role of the
audience in their product like they are doing.
They insult the audience in doing so. Although at the same time, the audience allows it in continuing to buy their product either way. So the blame
isn't all one-sided, to be sure. But I've rambled enough, so I'll attempt a half-assed conclusion...
What we have are the fans turning against a story they don't like, because they know the WWE is pushing the story either way. And this just
creates a circular effect, in which each new pass is a little more bitter and angry than the last one. Throw in social media and the bandwagon troll
effect and ladle on some obvious audio/video editing on the part of the WWE, and you have a story situation that anyone would be hard-pressed to be
successful with.
And yes, story does matter to me as much as movesets do. You can't have great wrestling without a bit from each column. Great technical
wrestling without proper context bores me. I can appreciate it for what it is, but I'd much rather see a sloppier match, work-wise, if it
contains a story element i'm emotionally invested in.
[Edited on 5-24-2016 by Quentil]
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merc
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| posted on 5-24-2016 at 01:06 PM |
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Thanks!
I didn't mean to imply you were saying he wasn't trying to evolve, and I also wasn't trolling you. You hit a thought I hadn't
considered. Your conclusion helped nailed it for me. Appreciate the explanation.
They are called "letters" when put together they make "words". Words make moving photos unnecessary.
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