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Author: Subject: OOfficial Discussion Thread for: RAW (April 17, 2017)
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posted on 4-18-2017 at 03:31 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Or "float down here while following the buzzards, but I don't really understand why buzzards are flying into the sewer system in the first place."

Also, Emma + Dana = PEOPLE. Yes. I don't know. I actually didn't pay much attention and have no idea what anyone said except Alicia FOOOOOOOOOOOAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx bringing up 205 Live or something.





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posted on 4-18-2017 at 03:51 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Finn's just a Cruiser whose reach exceeds his grasp and should be on 205 Live godit! There, I said it. You're welcome. Fuck outta here with that rough trade leather jacket faux tough guy preening.
I don't even care if you're just-janerdin-around here. I love every word of it.



I say true. WTF is it with Balor? I salivate in a non- way over Proper Hossfests, but I'm having a hard time distinguishing him from far more entertaining Cruiser-sized guys like Neville and Aries. Flick the collar on your leather jacket to signify tough guy status? Sheeeeiiiit, Pat Patterson alone in 2017 could easily disavow you of the notion of your importance. Get him with Diesels like his Bullet Club pals Gallows and Anderson first and THEN break him off into a singles guy I take seriously.

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Well, now, don't mistake my hatred of obnoxious-OSU-fan traditions for hatred of Ohio. That'd be like hating wrestling because I hate strap matches.


My best palfellows down here in The F.L.A. hail from Ohio and New York (fuckin' Long Island no less!) so I am very conflicted as far as haterism goes.

Also, while I enjoy Matt Hardy to no end, is it me or does he amble aboot like a 90-year-old man?

Also2, way to fuckin' go WWE and begin to neutralize the very reason the Hardyz are legit popular in 2017. Oh noes, TNA might sue you for character infringement? Yeah, I'm sure you don't have a couple of Burgs or Steins in your legal department that couldn't deflect that shit in a strongly worded letter for our benefit and entertainment.





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posted on 4-18-2017 at 04:01 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Join me in the anti-DAEMON KAYNG fanclub... antifanclub? Whatever it is, I'm glad I'm not alone in welcoming him back with rabid apathy. And this "Balor Club" thing... I can't believe they're still using it on the merchandise, because I would assume that 75% of the WWEUniverse doesn't know Bullet Club from a hole in the wall. It's kind of weird that WWE Merch-types are relying on a faction that exists in like 3 other promotions to try to get a facepainted drama club nerd over with the fans.

Also: I wish Big Show was like 10 years younger, so we could do the BRAAAGGGH/Show feud on a regular & long-term basis.

[Edited on 4-18-2017 by Count Zero]





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posted on 4-18-2017 at 04:06 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I do find the use of Balor Club now to be weird, just because that seems more useful for an actual stable, which doesn't currently exist.

If there's (at the very least) one downside to BRRRAAAAGH!!! tipping an ambulance last week, it's that it seems like going by that show of strength he should potentially be able to pick Show up and hurl him across the arena or something. In fact, imagine this match, but done entirely while Show's wearing a harness which is then used by being thrown out of the ring where he then slowly and awkwardly flies away from the ring before slowly lowering into a pile of boxes or something.





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posted on 4-18-2017 at 04:08 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
is this quite possibly *Schiavone-voice* THE BIGGEST ONE-ON-ONE MAIN EVENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT?

I mean.. That's a lot of tonnage in there, jesus pleasus.

eta: I literally just said to one of my Steam-friends "They're going to break the ring."

I AM PSYCHIC!

[Edited on 4-18-2017 by Count Zero]





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posted on 4-18-2017 at 04:11 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
THERE we go. I've been anticipating a ring collapse at various points over the past few months for various matches. Also, give that ref a whole pie of some sort for getting flung out of the ring. I was amused, and he deserves it.





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posted on 4-18-2017 at 04:14 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Fuck, it was good to see that again, especially with the way the ref bounced onto the floor. Not as great as with Show and Lesnar way back when but still genuinely funny.





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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THEY DID THE RING COLLAPSE SPOT! THEY DID THE RING COLLAPSE SPOT!!!! That was actually a Premium Uber Hossfest! Match. Well done, Acromegaly Squad! Welcome to the big fuckin' show Braun!!!





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posted on 4-18-2017 at 04:17 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
The ref took the worst bump out of the 3 guys in the ring. That was a nasty fall.

I hope he gets workers' comp, or the privilege of snorting blow from Maryse's cleavage, or some equivalent workplace perk for his dedication to the moment.





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posted on 4-18-2017 at 04:39 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
About "the" OSU thing.... one of my high school friends went there, and spun a yarn a few years ago about there being a genuine beef between Ohio State and Ohio University way way back in the day. In a petty move, Ohio State added "THE" to its name.

Keep in mind, this was an official thing, added to their official seal and everything, and it was done, like, 100 years ago.

But it's only become A Thing since their football program became perennially relevant again, with big name recruits who go on to be top NFL draft picks who like to go on national TV broadcasts and mock THE YOU-niversity of Miami by also calling themselves "THE."

And then, all of the red counties in Ohio where people are white, rural, and uneducated, but who somehow still relate to the state's biggest University, live and die by said football team, so "THE Ohio State University" is here to stay.

But in the 5 counties in Ohio that are solidly blue (Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, and two near Cleveland), we pretty much think it's silly, too. Here's what we did 3 years ago when Dayton beat OSU in the Dance:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ddn-headline-has-social-media-buzzing/pjhws6fySyRgYVKi07pcDI/

I still have that hard copy of that day's paper on my desk somewhere. Glorious.

As for tonight's show? I had a good time.

Bliss with the upset in a surprisingly good and well laid out match. I call horseshit on anyone who really thinks last week was a valid reason to bury/delay Nia, but maybe that really is something WWE is doing?

Tag division was a bit of a retcon.... instead of doing a full heel turn for Cesaro/Sheamus to explain their #1 Contendership, I guess we're just pretending Kurt Angle likes their swag, and randomly named them #1 Contenders, and a heel turn will come? Or maybe no heel turn is necessary, and they can both just play the "respect of the audience" card, en route to a really exciting match?

No Owens was a surprise, so call off that Owens/Miz vs. Jericho/Ambrose tag match I mentioned. I guess they are gonna pretend like Owens really is on SD, and if Jericho wins the US Title match at Payback, he ALSO goes to SD? I don't get it, but whatever.... in its place, I WOULD suggest a Jericho/Ambrose vs. Joe/Miz match for next Monday, but all of a sudden, I wouldn't mind a Jericho vs. Drifter match next week, just to give Jericho a squash and create the illusion that he's sticking around.

Main event hossfest? It was what it was. It was 10 minutes of "not quite as good as the announcers tried to make it sound" followed by a huge spot that was really, really neat.

Here's my big problem: were the standard ring apron LED boards missing the entire night, and I just didn't notice? Or was that awkward and distracting interlude towards the end of the match where they spend 90 seconds showing replays and NOT showing the ring give them enough time to remove the LED boards?

Because all the multiple angles of the replay make it clear that they had standard ring skirts on for that final spot, but that final spot was also the first time I noticed this fact, and it upsets me to think I spent 3 hours not noticing the obvious.

If the awkward onslaught of replays WASN'T hiding something, then WWE sucks for all the same lazy/silly reasons as last week's poorly editing murderizing of Roman Reigns was hard to take seriously beyond it's delightful camp value. If it WAS hiding something, and I didn't catch it sooner, I suck for not instantly knowing WWE's intentions for that main event.



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posted on 4-18-2017 at 04:56 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Show is so breezy without Stephanie dragging it down. I hope we don't see her back in a while.

Fit Big Show is a joy to watch and I think it'd be incredible to see him recreate Diesel/Bret with somebody like Neville. It's impressive that he keeps having this enjoyable slugfests with Strowman but now let's try to get some big man vs crafty little man classics while he's still around.

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posted on 4-18-2017 at 06:51 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Strowman and Big Show deserved to have a one-on-one match at WM, in my opinion. That is now twice that those two have gone at it on RAW and I have enjoyed both instances. Having Braun rise to his feet while Show stayed down, was also a nice piece of character building.

Here is hoping they get a few more gimmick matches with one another where Show can really help give the rub to the new giant.

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I agree. But a retirement match between Braun and Show would have taken away from Takers match.

Rick had me fired up for a Sasha-Alexa feud. Upset that's not happening yet. Bliss is really, really close to turning face.

Pretty, pretty, pretty good Raw.

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You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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Join me in the anti-DAEMON KAYNG fanclub... antifanclub? Whatever it is, I'm glad I'm not alone in welcoming him back with rabid apathy. And this "Balor Club" thing... I can't believe they're still using it on the merchandise, because I would assume that 75% of the WWEUniverse doesn't know Bullet Club from a hole in the wall. It's kind of weird that WWE Merch-types are relying on a faction that exists in like 3 other promotions to try to get a facepainted drama club nerd over with the fans.


[Edited on 4-18-2017 by Count Zero]

Yeah, sorry. I'm a Balor mark. His work in the ring is spectacular and when he breaks out the demon shit, I mark the fuck out. Besides, the guy has been able to wrestle for like 2 months total since he was called up last July. Give the guy a break.





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I really hope Bray doesn't have more powerpoint presentations for us.

I like his gimmick, I like the guy, I even like him in the ring. But less is more with his kind of thing and he's doublng down on what was already too much reliance on spooky. Plus a big problem he's had for the last year or two is the sameyness of his promos because the cadence of his voice is hiding the content of his promos and the content of his promos is kind of non-specific to begin with. All this slideshow stuff does is hide whatever point he's making even more.





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Here's my big problem: were the standard ring apron LED boards missing the entire night, and I just didn't notice? Or was that awkward and distracting interlude towards the end of the match where they spend 90 seconds showing replays and NOT showing the ring give them enough time to remove the LED boards?

Because all the multiple angles of the replay make it clear that they had standard ring skirts on for that final spot, but that final spot was also the first time I noticed this fact, and it upsets me to think I spent 3 hours not noticing the obvious.

If the awkward onslaught of replays WASN'T hiding something, then WWE sucks for all the same lazy/silly reasons as last week's poorly editing murderizing of Roman Reigns was hard to take seriously beyond it's delightful camp value. If it WAS hiding something, and I didn't catch it sooner, I suck for not instantly knowing WWE's intentions for that main event.



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Yeah the LED aprons/posts were never used. I was in the building last night (in section 104, two sections on the right side of the cameras in section 106). The first thing I noticed was the missing LED boards. I assumed that WWE was ditching those and only going to use them for the ten-per-view shows.

As far as not showing the ring prior to the main event, the ring crew changed the mat and probabily was doing other things to make the ring implode during that spot. BTW when the spot happened the crowd went nuts. The WWE sent the fans home happy and there was nothing after the show went off the air.

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BTW when the spot happened the crowd went nuts. The WWE sent the fans home happy and there was nothing after the show went off the air.


I was kind of wondering about that, since you can't exactly do a dark main event with a collapsed ring, but I guess getting to see such a rare "holy shit!" spot in person is a worthy trade off.

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posted on 4-19-2017 at 03:08 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
For whatever it's worth, the broken ring sport made the ABC 7 news at 6pm here in New York City which was pretty funny to see.

I don't recall seeing pro wrestling (other than out of ring stories) on the local news since Macho Man beat the holy hell out of the Hulkster in the locker room for having lust in his eyes for the lovely Miss Elizabeth!

Probably did at some point, but I didn't see it.

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Yes, it was mentioned on my local (major market) sports radio station yesterday.





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