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Author: Subject: PPV DISCUSSION: (Mostly) RAW presents WWE Payback (April 30, 2016)
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Goddamnit. I can't catch my breath laughing.





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BLLLLAAAARGH? Fuck. Yes.

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Is it possible that Vince and The Beav finally get..............it?!?!

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posted on 5-1-2017 at 03:42 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Goddamnit. I can't catch my breath laughing.


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At least they cut away from the ring while they slipped Roman the blood capsule, after the last time Saxton tried to slip him one on camera.





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Braun apparating like Michael Myers might be my favourite thing.
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Normally under our old rating system I would have given this PPV a B+. Four solid men's matches and one borderline-great women's match. That HOH stuff though. They lose for that and get knocked down to a B-. Idiots.





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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So coming to near-death via ambulance flip a few weeks ago didn't get the crowd to cheer for Reigns but GODDAMN PAL, taking a few shots from the stairs will!!

Is Reigns going to have die-via-storyline to bring this to its end game? He's becoming the WWE's Wil E. Coyote at this point.





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The twist should be that Bray's House of Horrors is located on the east coast and it's going to take five days for the limo to reach the arena in San Jose.



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I feel like they're almost using the Roman hatred to try to draw eyes. Basically, instead of "watch the heel get his comeuppance", it's "come watch some big mean bastard beat the crap out of Roman Reigns". Honestly, Roman could do worse. He should do the DDP eternal rib tape thing.





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One genuine WWE House of Horrors, FOR SALE!

http://www.movoto.com/richmond-mo/611_1882145/for-sale/





You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know, that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but I'm not high. You know what I mean?
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There's no way that's it because it's more than 40 minutes from San Jose.





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Heya folks. Ol' Foxy just got back from the show. Photos and videos (mostly of entrances) will be forthcoming.

Some thoughts.

  • SQUEEEEEEE SASHA BANKS WINKED AND SMILED AT ME WHEN I YELLED "SASHA'S RATCHET!" I AM SO HAPPY GONNA DIE NOW

  • Maryse's legs are somehow even sexier in person. So are Finn Balor's dreamy blue eyes, Amanda.

  • Miz and Balor both marked out when the crowd cheered for Maryse joining the Balor Club.

  • Finnegan has finally learned to cut a promo. I'm so proud.

  • First time seeing Jericho live and he's great in person. Really plays to the crowd and reeks of legendness. Signing the kid's list was a great touch. I guess he's not leaving now? Crowd was crazy hot for his match.

  • Likewise Neville and Aries were way over, and Aries' chants were probably the loudest for any babyface all night.

  • My friends and I were among the only Sheasaro supporters in the crowd, but the Delete and Obsolete and Brother Nero chants were pretty loud.

  • My friend who's gay turned to me halfway through Alexa-Bayley and said, "See this is why nobody is either entirely straight or gay. Cuz them's some nice ladybutts." Amen, brother.

  • Poor Bayley. Jobbed out in her hometown and didn't even get to take a bow cuz they played some dumbass movie trailer over her exit. Biiiig "bullshit" chant for that.

  • The crowd was vocally irritated through the entire haunted house segment. Which was bad and should feel bad. Choice chants included, "This is stupid!" and "boooooring."

  • The best part is they then drove from the stupid haunted house to the arena. Great job finding a brokedown old house on the bayou in downtown San Jose.

  • Crowd was dead for the first part of Rollins-Joe, energy sapped from the Orton-Wyatt nonsense. Randy Orton can make anything boring. But credit to Joe and Seth, they really turned it around and had a solid outing. Finish felt a bit undercooked, and I think Joe should've won, but hey. Seth's finally clicking as a face.

  • I always forget how much marks love Randy Orton. No accounting for marky-ass taste. But since they fast-forwarded to endgame in the in-ring segment, he actually had something resembling energy.

  • I'm still enjoying Jinder's heel work. Color me surprised. And hey, a win for Bray serves the forces of goodness.

  • Reigns-Strowman was as good as a Strowman match can be, which is a B-. We took off right at the three-count and missed most of the beatdown, but we figured beating traffic > predictable violence.

    All-in-all a super-fun experience. Not the most amazing WWE show I've been to (hello Eddy Guerrero's first world title win) but great to be back at a wrestling show.

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    Strowman vs Reigns along with the post match beatdown was awesome. Reigns sold it perfectly as his strikes all looked opportunistic and he never forget to sell. It looked like a guy fighting for his life instead of the shitty Superman act. He sold injuries better than has Cena ever done which is +1 for the new top guy.

    Then the ''You deserve it'' chants as Reigns was carried out bleeding from the mouth. Refusing to get on a stretcher because of what happened last time, then ''I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!'' only to be followed by Strowman crashing through the Ambulance door and slipping into the boxes Shockmaster style. Magical

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    I have a very love/hate relationship with this ppv.

    Let's get the bad out of the way, first:

    I don't give a fuck about Strowman. Or Reigns. And 'big man vs big man' is my least favorite match type in pro wrestling. And i mean Reigns beat Braun a month ago, and then got flat out murdered at least three times after that. And I still chuckled mildly at the ambulance thing, which was the most positive reaction I had to it all. That said, at least the feud makes sense from a storyline standpoint, mostly. But whatever. It was a five star match compared to Wyatt/Orton.

    This whole thing was kind of a train wreck. First, it wasn't for the title I guess? So what happened to Wyatt's rematch? And the house part was kind of silly. It was like a bad haunted house that a youth center might set up for Halloween. The doll parts hanging from string got a lot of laughter and mocking from the two friends and I that were at my place watching. Nothing about this feud really makes sense, from the turning down of houses to the whole extended and unneeded fakeout with the title shot. And I really like Bray Wyatt, but I feel bad for him more often than not these days. The whole ring part was a bit silly, because every single person in the world watching knew Orton was going to be there. But yeah, okay. But enough on this, other than to say it was the low point of the PPV for me.

    Good stuff:

    Rollins/Joe was good. Very good, even. They can do better, and I hope to see it within the next few months. No complaints here, really.

    I'm fine with Bayley dropping the title to Bliss. They had a fun match, and i'm sure can have many more. I like both of them a lot, and hope this comes to fruition.

    The tag match was good without being anything unexpected. Seeing Sheamus/Cesaro turn on the Hardys was nice, and I was into it.

    Aries/Neville makes me really want to start watching 205 Live. I probably won't, but it does make me regret it a bit more than I used to.

    Jericho/Owens was great, and a surprise. Does this mean Jericho drops the belt on Smackdown? We shall see.

    Honestly, I liked a lot more than I didn't. But the parts I didn't like (Wyatt/Orton especially) were piles of dogshit to me.

    I'd say the strength of the other matches bring the event up to a 3 out of 5 fake stars for me overall. I could have done without about 75% of the last hour or so and been perfectly happy.

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    posted on 5-1-2017 at 08:18 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
    Just starting to watch the pre-show now; so posting this as I'm watching, so I've skipped to the end of the topic so pardons if I'm repeating any glaring points that have already been made.

    Some quick guesses...

    *Reigns and Strowman feels both like it should be done by now, but also that being the odds on closing match and both guys in need of protecting that you do the both guys laid out (maybe via Brock to spike conversation a bit?)... either way, and I hope I'm right, I think this has the potential to be pretty good as I think they have something to prove... Scratch that; I think you give the win to Strowman; kind of a rub of the rub by beating the guy that beat Taker... spread that around a bit... plus between Reigns losing his brother and the in story beat down he took from Strowman not so long ago you've got ready made excuses for Cole to spin.

    *I think Jericho wins... but above all else I think these two capable athletes steal the show. You can solve the US title thing later.

    *I think Joe beats Rollins; Joe could use a big win after being left off WM just to remind us what a bad ass he is... Rollins can take the loss, as I think this feud has a lot of juice left in it, and if maybe some of the Shield guys encounter enough losses along the way then it would give them a reason to reform and have each others backs. This is also one where you could do the Rollins wins, but Joe lays him out post-match.

    *I would rather see Cesaro/Sheamus win as that kind of back and forth makes for more compelling stuff, and you could always have the Hardy's take the titles back at Summer Slam... alternatively I could see how riding the Hardy Boyz tag team until SS makes sense, and then see what you can do with them individually... or at least reduce them to part-time tag. That feels a bit more likely; so let's give this one to the Hardy's... while I'm writing this holy shit to see Goldust, Truth, and the Hardy's together... I think all of them are 40 and up at this point?

    *Hhhhmm... Tempting to shift the title over to Bliss, but I think there is money to be made by having Bayley and Sasha square off for the title; so the hugger retains.

    *Orton vs Bray... so did Bray have to take the ref aside and explain just what exactly this house of horrors match is? Cause' the commentary team on the pre-show are selling this like they have no idea what this is.... guh; let's give this one to Bray as unless the concept is such a shit show you've gotta figure the WWE would want to market this as something new and that could repeat... such a poorly booked feud... I mean even the lack of title being on the line should have been given a reason.

    *Slow typing this so no guess for the pre-show tag as it already happened.

    *I think you've got to have Balor come out with something attention getting, but with the WWE supposedly being indecisive about him facing either Bray or Miz likely means we just get some water-treading.

    *Let's say Neville retains... I think keeping the King of the Cruiserweight looking strong helps the CW brand while you continue to star-build behind him.

    So how did I do....

    *Well Rene just made a liar out of me and gives us at least part of the lowdown on what a House of Horrors match is... although the explanation of what it is does not sound that appealing... like they beat the shit out of each other backstage in a spooky (yet portable) set piece, but then are compelled to come out to the arena to finish the match?

    *Balor really seems like a guy that they should consider putting over Brock... just seems to have money written all over him, but I figure they need to rebuild the beast a bit by having him beat at least his next two opponents before someone goes over him.

    *Kicking things off with Owens and Y2J; crowd seems to be pretty vocal tonight already, loved the finger tip call back, and the no-doubt awesome complaining KO is apt to milk it for.

    *Really liked both the CW and tag matches- the heel turn by team Sheasasoro was well done, and if they weren't going to walk out with the titles then that was certainly just as good. I'm running 3/3 in predictions which is my best start to a PPV in a looooong time, although if they did the post-match beat down in the tag, the DQ non-finish in the CW match, and we're likely to get something Monday or Tuesday with Jericho and KO that puts Y2J on the shelf then from a booking standpoint we should probably get something a bit cleaner in terms of finishes out of Orton, Rollins, and Reigns...

    *At this point in time I think I'd probably close the show with Rollins and Joe... the PPV has been very solid, an the in-ring stuff has been very well done... I just for the life of me can't see how the whole pre-taped stuff and then finish in the ring can't help but cause some bad pacing issues in the RKO/Wyatt match, and while I have high hopes for Reigns/Strowman, it is still apt to be of the plodding sell some big moves by laying around variety, so I don't think I'd trust closing out the PPV with those two going back to back as that's likely to kill their momentum... Rollins and Joe feel like they could really go and give the show a big action paced finish.

    *Well, there goes my perfect record for the night as Alexa takes the title... I'm a bit surprised they jobbed out Bayley in her home town- although well done match and I'm glad that it was a clean win... I'm also a bit split as I prefer title changes to be clean, but a Sasha involvement of some kind could have really let them spin off the ladies into having multiple major feuds on each brand, which for all the talk of women's wrestling having come so far, the WWE is still dropping the ball in terms of spreading out the good stuff into other compelling feuds that don't revolve around the title.

    *Looks like that new Cena movie THE WALL is getting the full theatrical release treatment as the ad they just ran billed it as being in theatres and I was at a movie a few days ago and they had a trailer for it there too.... Looks like it could be pretty good, and with Cena looking like he's going to be spending a good chunk of the movie laying there, so it could be a good showcase of him showing just how much he can (or can't) act.

    *I'm a little disappointed in the SJ crowd... looks like a few people tried to a get a boo going for this horrible house of horror matchup but it never guise got to the level that it likely deserves based on the first few seconds of RKO over acting at a house in the woods that he knew he was going to and some flickering lights. The guy who came up with all those WCW beach vignettes with Sting years ago is laughing right now....

    *Oh... and here I thought that House of Horrors match was going to suck

    That was like the Sharknado of wrestling matches, and I can only hope that the WWE knew they were delivering an over-produced dud... I mean in some ways it was reminiscent of I don't know... something from the early to mid 90's WWF, and the multi-take production was slick looking... but talk about DOA... and it did sound like the SJ crowd was trying to boo the shit out of it at the end... I'm betting the WWE turned down the arena mic's. I actually feel bad for RKO and Bray as that is now on their resume.... and really, all of that so that Jinder Mahal can upstage the finish?

    *I liked the psychology of Joe versus Rollins and I think that should have been your reasoning for Joe to win (I mean if Rollins was legit majorly hurt going into mania) and give Rollins a lighter schedule as he could still be around, but selling the continued injury. Still; decent match, and these two are far from done.

    *Vince must be so proud, he's got a full on dueling let's go Roman, Roman sucks chant going... hhhhmmm, maybe they can do a reverse House of Horrors concept where the start of the match takes place in the arena, and then they can just cut away to some pre-filmed footage to avoid Roman being booed out of the arena to close the show again. Gotta say Strowman is really growing on me... that over the top beat down they did a couple weeks ago was just awesome, and his hulk like growling is great... he really seems aware of what's he's doing as well... kinda like big show on SNL decades ago it strikes me as one day he'll get a chance to show that he's actually got some serious charisma... I mean hell, just go back and watch him in those old Rosebud segments... due really runs with it.

    Huh... Strowman actually won, and clean at that... surprising, and a decent big man match... not quite as good as I'd hoped, but decent, and watching Reigns get his ass kicked is always fun... although really, needed more ambulance tipping.

    *Overall not a bad show... that House of Horrors match was ill advised, and dragged... I mean I give the WWE credit for trying something new, but they had to know that was not going to go over well (heh, maybe they are cutting costs and that was just a scene from the next WWE films movie... got knows we got enough of their movie ads tonight). Still, some surprising or at least unexpected finishes, and lots of solid ring work... I'd give this one maybe a solid "B"... maybe no matches of year candidates, but solid stuff, and a lack of a title match always hurts a bit... the RKO match was Terri-bad, but the good outweighed the bad.

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    Owens showing up with US ring gear really made me thing he was going to have an extended run as Face of America since they printed up merch for him.

    Then I remembered how cheap T-shirts are these days and realized that it would be great misdirection so I was expecting the loss after that.





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    I turned it off once the first part of The House of Horrible was done. What a load of nonsense. Do you know what the worst part of it was? Randy driving without a shirt.

    Why does Randy travel without a shirt? Why didn't Bray just rent an air conditioner and freeze him out? Why is the bayou in California? Where were the methheads? Why weren't there rocking horses? Who thought this wouldn't be horrible? Was this a Family Guy too long meta joke I missed out on?

    Oh ... and why a non-title? Just so ... so ... so unfathomably stupid.





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    That Bray/Orton match makes me embarrassed to be a wrestling fan.





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    It was nice of ADR to lend his west coast home to the WWE for the House of Horrors match. But that Paige is not only a pig in real life, but she lives like one too. Sorry, couldn't resist. It just amazes me how the WWE overthinks these things and expects their audience to buy into it. That was all sorts of awful.

    Nice to see Strowman go over, but let's not forget that it's now tied 1 all. So Roman wins the rubber match....boooo! Only a Vince and Kevin Dunn golden boy can get a "thank you Strowman" and "you deserve it" chant during and after the same match.





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    posted on 5-1-2017 at 03:26 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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    Owens showing up with US ring gear really made me thing he was going to have an extended run as Face of America since they printed up merch for him.

    Then I remembered how cheap T-shirts are these days and realized that it would be great misdirection so I was expecting the loss after that.
    That and WWE can be dicks about this sort of thing. Remember when Jericho and AJ were briefly a team right after AJ debuted? And WWE began printing and selling "Y2AJ" t-shirts? And Jericho turned on AJ and killed the team like a week after said shirts went on sale?

    That said, wouldn't surprise me to see Owens get the title back in short order, but still.





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    It was nice of ADR to lend his west coast home to the WWE for the House of Horrors match. But that Paige is not only a pig in real life, but she lives like one too.




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    I feel like they're almost using the Roman hatred to try to draw eyes. Basically, instead of "watch the heel get his comeuppance", it's "come watch some big mean bastard beat the crap out of Roman Reigns". Honestly, Roman could do worse. He should do the DDP eternal rib tape thing.
    Exactly. People keep responding to anything Reigns is a part of. So, they are going to keep doing it.

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    Just because it's California doesn't mean it's endlessly full of pristine housing. It's been a couple years since I've been to San Jose, but believe me-- there's PLENTY of shithole houses/areas in San Jose well within driving distance of that arena.

    That said, that House of Horrors stuff was some hot garbage. Goddamn. It's like the writers made a list of a bunch of bad horror movie tropes and then just picked out one. "Creepy doll parts? Ok, run with it!"

    Oh noes, dolls everywhere! And the only thing scary about that kitchen is that it looked like it hadn't been cleaned since the mid 80s. I thought it was hilarious at one point when Bray was bent over the sink, Randy grabbed a frying pan. I honestly thought he was going to give Bray a spanking with it.

    And Bray walks outside, says the magic words 'Follow the Buzzards," which... makes the house light up red? Um, ok? What exactly was that supposed to accomplish, and why would it be frightening?





    Is everyone mad here?
    Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

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    posted on 5-1-2017 at 07:05 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
    I'd like to know Orton's thoughts on coming off of this feud with Wyatt which has been hot garbage and now he gets the joy of feuding with...Mahal!! Maybe Vince is trying to drive him into retirement.





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    posted on 5-1-2017 at 07:57 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
    I'm just looking forward to the survey from WWE about the event that I'll be receiving very shortly.





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