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Children are among the 22 killed and 59 injured in a "sickening" attack at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England, Monday night, United
Kingdom Prime Minister Theresa May said Tuesday.
A suicide bomber was likely behind the attack, officials said, and May said police believe one man carried it out, but authorities still need to know
if he was acting alone. May said police believe they know the identity of the suspect but at this stage they cannot confirm his name.
Horrible attack that targeted children. Shame that it takes something like this to get Trump off my news feed. But from this again there are signs
of hope for humanity, the Holiday Inn near the stadium was taking in children that were separated from their parents until they could be reunited.
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 01:01 AM
Yeah, this was a particular nasty brand of disgusting to target children like this... not much more you can say about the actual event than that.
I think what bothers more and more about these kind of attacks is the media... like listening today on my drive in the PM had just released the guys
name so they were quizzing expert they had on there and all the guy could really keep saying was that this is just speculation at this point as all we
have is a name to go off of, but it was clear how intelligent and organized this guy was... Yada Yada Yada.... then in the next segment they talked
all about how if terrorists were smarter they would attack more smaller cities as they have nowhere near the defenses that a big city or military
target would have.
I think favourite moment had to be during the Charlie Hebdo shootings and one shooters shoe fell off while he was trying to get away and the voice
over kept talking about how well organized and trained these guys were.
Not for nothing media, but maybe it's time to dispel the myths of these assholes being these elite lone wolfs who could MacGuyver a bomb out of
chewing gum and a paper clip and start treating them like the mentally unbalanced clowns with too much access to the internet that get lucky more
often than not.. . Don't glorify their skills at killing innocents, shame their wrong thinking and incompetence.... and while you're at
it, stop pointing out our weak spots.
All for freedom of speech, but isn't glorifying the enemy and pointing out your communities weakness kinda treasoness? Meh, I guess it's
just bad reporting.
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 01:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by Flash
Not for nothing media, but maybe it's time to dispel the myths of these assholes being these elite lone wolfs who could MacGuyver a bomb out of
chewing gum and a paper clip and start treating them like the mentally unbalanced clowns with too much access to the internet that get lucky more
often than not.. . Don't glorify their skills at killing innocents, shame their wrong thinking and incompetence.
Yeah, but the media LOVES getting people scared because it equals ratings and pushes the narrative. That's how the PATRIOT Act and the National
Defense Authorization Act which eroded civil liberties, increases the power of the executive branch, allowed the indefinite military detention of
citizens, and suspended due process and habeas corpus - all because everyone was like OMIGOD TERRORISM.
Meanwhile, in America, you are 8 times more likely to be killed the police than terrorists.
"She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted."
"The powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned."
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 04:16 AM
What did we used to call this sort of horrible behaviour before people started using "TERRISM" as an umbrella term for violence?
That's a mostly-unserious question, and nobody really has to answer it for me. I'm just venting. Basically, I think "terrorism" is
becoming a meaningless buzzword because it's vague enough to be abused as such by the unwashed & washed masses.
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 06:51 AM
Lone Gunman? Nut Jobs? Psycho's?
The what did we used to call them is probably a tough one as you've either got a massive upswing in what we'd call (or at least gets
labeled as) terrorism... or more likely the creation/rise of CNN quickly followed by the other 24 hour news cycles and social medias need to reduce
everything to one buzz word to get the point across. The amount of coverage that CNN devoted to the first Gulf War probably saw a shift from reporting
the news to a combination of info-tainment and talking heads answerable to ratings was probably the big breaking point... but even then you could look
at stuff like reports taking down the president and condemning the Vietnam war decades before as well.... so nothing happens in a vacuum.
Throw in stuff like an increasingly global world where news travels fast, and immigration seemingly coming more from brown skin countries instead of
the Irish, and then the Asians.... 20 years from now it'll be the Martians we are hating on for taking our jobs and lousin' up the place
(Note to self go watch Alien Nation).
9/11 was probably that turning point... I mean you had the earlier UN Building bomb, Oklahoma City, and the seizing of the US Embassy in Iran that all
made news... but 9/11 seemed to strike at us in such a different way... other countries had dealt with this shit for years and it was a part of life
(like try and find a garbage can or mailbox in London)... but over here in North-Am the bubble burst... now it's us versus them, even if
it's not really... it's just easier I guess.
So yeah... that's my rambly when did it all become Terrorism answer/guess... I think it just kind of happened because of a perfect storm of
history, technology, and shitty humans being shitty. I think it's the same way that we talk about the good old days where violence was sporadic,
streets were safe, and the future held promise... except it has always been crappy because people are people... we just do a lot more talking these
days, and since people aren't really listening everyone just keeps talking and repeating the same things.
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 12:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Count Zero
What did we used to call this sort of horrible behaviour before people started using "TERRISM" as an umbrella term for violence?
That's a mostly-unserious question, and nobody really has to answer it for me. I'm just venting. Basically, I think "terrorism" is
becoming a meaningless buzzword because it's vague enough to be abused as such by the unwashed & washed masses.
Before they were labeled terrorists in the 70's ( I think Munich Olympics brought it in for widespread use) they were anarchists, or
communists.
9/11 brought about all these attacks are assumed to be Islam related, before that (OK city, Atlanta Olympics) that wasn't the assumption.
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 01:14 PM
I grew up in the 80's and the difference between terrorism now and terrorism then is that back then it was politically motivated whereas now it
is religious. Back then you had the PLO and the IRA who were "fighting" for a people and a country. The bombings, the plane hijackings, they all had
a political purpose. 9/11 showed us that these terrorists were doing this out of some religious fervor and their bloodshed served no real political
goal. Before 9/11, "Islamic terrorism" really wasn't a thing.
Even ISIS which purports to be a "country" or "state" is entirely religiously motivated. I mean if you wrote a war movie with ISIS as the
villains, no one would buy it because their belief system is so incredible. They love death, hate life, love tyranny, hate democracy, encourage rape
and slavery, and literally want to bring about the end of the world.
Even Cobra Commander would look at these fucks and say, "That's really fucked up, you guys."
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 05:50 PM
I'd look at the reporting and narrative coming from the PM at the moment with the following caveat: Were in the middle of a snap general
election and she's an unscrupulous clown of a woman.
I'd be prepared for some of the events on Monday to be used in some pretty horrific ways by at least the current administration (the
opposition leader is a calm, measured intelligent man I have every faith will not drag the bodies of children into anything political.)
That aside: I remember the IRA in 96 blowing up the Arndale, we pretty much just called them "arse holes" if memory serves, either way, they
kinda chose the wrong city to try and intimidate. Beyond being ethnically, religiously and sexually diverse and accepting, mancunians are a tough
breed.
I'm not always proud to be English but I'm pretty proud I'm Mancunian, I think the current response in the city is backing that up
really well.
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 06:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
Meanwhile, in America, you are 8 times more likely to be killed the police than terrorists.
A number that also increases exponentially if you're black or Latino.
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 08:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by The Hitcher
I'd be prepared for some of the events on Monday to be used in some pretty horrific ways by at least the current administration (the opposition
leader is a calm, measured intelligent man I have every faith will not drag the bodies of children into anything political.)
Just to clarify for our non-British friends, the aforementioned calm, measured, intelligent man has absolutely no chance of winning. That would be
ridiculous!
As for the horrible events of the last couple of days, I really have no words. It's going to keep happening over and over again for the
foreseeable future. They want us to completely compromise who we are and how we operate in order to combat them and I fear it's starting to
work. There are small scale examples of communities uniting in defiance, but on the global scale I don't think it can be denied that western
political events are being hugely influenced.
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posted on 5-24-2017 at 09:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by Planet Starbucks
quote:Originally posted by The Hitcher
I'd be prepared for some of the events on Monday to be used in some pretty horrific ways by at least the current administration (the opposition
leader is a calm, measured intelligent man I have every faith will not drag the bodies of children into anything political.)
Just to clarify for our non-British friends, the aforementioned calm, measured, intelligent man has absolutely no chance of winning. That would be
ridiculous!
Who wants calm, measured, and intelligent when we can have FEARFUL, PANICKED AND IGNORANT!!!!!
"She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted."
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posted on 5-25-2017 at 01:58 AM
Righteous.
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posted on 5-25-2017 at 06:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by CCharger
I grew up in the 80's and the difference between terrorism now and terrorism then is that back then it was politically motivated whereas now it
is religious. Back then you had the PLO and the IRA who were "fighting" for a people and a country. The bombings, the plane hijackings, they all had
a political purpose. 9/11 showed us that these terrorists were doing this out of some religious fervor and their bloodshed served no real political
goal. Before 9/11, "Islamic terrorism" really wasn't a thing.
Even ISIS which purports to be a "country" or "state" is entirely religiously motivated. I mean if you wrote a war movie with ISIS as the
villains, no one would buy it because their belief system is so incredible. They love death, hate life, love tyranny, hate democracy, encourage rape
and slavery, and literally want to bring about the end of the world.
Even Cobra Commander would look at these fucks and say, "That's really fucked up, you guys."
So should we retroactively refer to the
Crusades as "Christianic Terrorism"? I'm not trying to be a douchebag, here, but as a pretty solidly-confirmed atheist, I don't think
it's fair to tar a whole religion with the bad behavior of the extremists of said religion.
ISIS isn't a recognized religious group, except in name, and just because they call themselves "Islamic State" doesn't mean much. The
much reviled German "National Socialists" were not really that socialist, and only in favor of a very specific national identity. In fact, ISIS is
not all that far removed from "terrorism in the name of a state", because they're trying to control large swathes of territory with their
terrorist actions, and ultimately form some kind of homeland for their nutbag members to control. It's a bunch of extremist nutbags trying to
cling to some mangled interpretation of a religion as justification for their shitty behavior. If you don't think ISIS is engaged in
terrorism-for-politics, I've got some lakefront property in Saudi Arabia you might be interested in.
The Ku-Klux-Klan never gets called "Christianic Terrorism", even though we realize they were a bunch of nutbags clinging to religion as
justification for keeping The South as pure as the driven snow. The Aryans still try to pull this shit in modern times, but are we talking about them
in the same light as we do the Isises? "Skinheadic Terrorism?"
"Islamic Terrorism" is a terrible misnomer. "Extremist Violence" is a much better way of describing this sort of thing, if we really -must-
reduce everything to buzzphrases.
[etremove some of the scare-quote air-quotes.]
[Edited on 5-25-2017 by Count Zero]
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posted on 5-25-2017 at 01:02 PM
And the UK is now going to hesitate to share intelligence with the US due to leaks.
That's nice.
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posted on 5-25-2017 at 10:29 PM
Count,
I think you missed my point entirely. I was not trying to paint all or even most Muslims as terrorists. I was merely pointing out how terrorism has
changed from being a political or even military tactic to one with "religious" overtones. This isn't a black or white issue. The IRA, while
using terroristic tactics for a political end, were certainly motivated by religious affiliation (Roman Catholic) and the PLO as well (Islam).
ISIS and Al Qaeda and Boko Haram certainly don't represent Islam anymore than the KKK represented Christians, but if you don't think those
groups are acting out of some religious fervor or are motivated by religious beliefs, you're wrong.
[Edited on 5-25-2017 by CCharger]
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posted on 5-25-2017 at 11:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by OOMike
And the UK is now going to hesitate to share intelligence with the US due to leaks.
That's nice.
Yeah, that's got to be one of the more damning international indictments of the current US regime; when one of your longest, and closet allies
publicly let's it be known they don't' trust you with information anymore.
