OORick
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OOfficial Discussion Thread for: SmackDown (June 20, 2017)
Tonight on SmackDown: WWE is bringing the show to RIGHT HERE.... in Dayton, Ohio! So I'll keep this short, in the name of getting my ass
out the door to grab a very quick pre-show meal and adult beverage...
Simply put, The Women's Money In The Bank Situation is the one big issue that will hopefully prop up 2 solid hours of TV... we already know
returning GM Daniel Bryan is opening the show at 8pm sharp to "address" it, and the rampant buzz is that he will declare some sort of rematch, or
otherwise force Carmella to defend her briefcase...
For those of us in Dayton: if it's a straight up First Time Ever Money in the Bank Free-per-View Rematch Match, and it happens tonight,
that'd be awesome (and screw you haters who were indignant about the first match ending shittily!).... given no hint of an official main event,
and the fact that opening segments are usually where main events are made in the absence of a pre-existing one, I gotta figure this is, at the very
least, possible....
Then you've got Baron Corbin strolling around with the Men's MitB, which is a whole lot of "who cares?" until the WWE Title is actually
interesting again.... which it won't be, since you can make a case for Jinder Mahal vs. Randy Orton still not being QUITE done with each
other.... the tag division is in solid shape, with the Usos killing it as heels, and both the New Day and Fashion PoPo providing solid entertainment
on the babyface side; with Zack Ryder's return, there's now almost too much strength on the face side, and thus, a sense that one of these
teams is gonna turn or go heel (I presaged a Mojo Rawley heel turn, but I hereby switch over to Zack being the guy who turns, after seeing someone
else suggest it in the MitB PPV thread)...
That leaves a shake-up among AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, the US Title, Shinsuke Nakamura, Sami Zayn, Dolph Ziggler, and that whole underneath crew to come
up with ways to keep the entire rest of the show interesting.... Corbin vs. Nakamura is the only thing that seems to immediately make sense as a
long-standing feud, but we'll see about the rest... [keeping in mind that Mike and Maria won't immediately drop to the lower-card, that
Rusev is due back any week now, and that guys like Harper and Rowan are just sort of sitting around doing nothing... so there ARE some fresh pieces to
move around, too]...
That is all. End communication....
The flOOr is yours, OO Nation. Don't wait till after 11pm to post, either. Pre-show previewing and prognosticating is certainly welcome.
So discuss, debate, and rate!
PS: Sorry about the absentee webmastering, last night with the RAW Thread. I am now in Week 6 of a Kitchen Remodel, which is actually more of
a "half the first floor remodel." Even best case, projects like this hit speed bumps, but yesterday was the first real unexpected wildfire that
needed to be put out, when a water heater issue threatened the flooding of freshly installed new tile... as of this writing I still haven't seen
RAW. But hell, as of this writing, I haven't had running water on the first floor for over a week, so really: Priorities! Hopefully, I can be
forgiven.
[Edited on 6-20-2017 by OORick]
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First 9
The Rowdy One 
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SD has a big number of awesome talent that's sitting on the sidelines. Now that they've moved past MITB I hope Luke Harper, Rusev, and AA
become a regular fixture again. Turn AA heel and have them feud against the Fashion Police, give Owens a fresh dance partner in Harper and holyshit
would I love to see a serious AJ vs Rusev feud.
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Cherokee Jack
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I really don't care how they deal with the Carmella briefcase deal at this point.
But if the "addressing" of the MITB situation doesn't include the proclamation that going forward there can be no one aside from the
competitors and referees at ringside for the match, or at the very least the clarification that no one other than the competitors can retrieve the
briefcase (or whatever is hanging above the ring in any ladder match situation), then ladder matches are basically ruined forever, because there will
be no logical reason why every competitor won't have a constant stream of allies trying to win the match on their behalf.
I'm Cherokee Jack!
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the goon
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I know I'm in the VAST minority here, but I didn't have a major issue with the finish of the MITB match, as to me it was just
"Traditional Heel Tactics 101." Carmella was the only woman in the match with a lackey, and that lackey took it upon himself to help her win the
match when an opportunity presented itself. I totally get why people didn't like it, but if Chris Jericho can become the first-ever undisputed
world champion with mass help and interference (in two separate matches, no less), I can live with Ellsworth pulling the briefcase down for Carmella
in the first-ever women's MITB match.
With that said, I'm totally fine with Daniel Bryan negating the original match if it gives us a MITB match on free TV.
And I think what bothers me way more than the finish of the MITB match is the fact that the WWE has a TV show that features a talent pool of AJ
Styles, Kevin Owens, Shinsuke Nakamura, Dolph Ziggler, Sami Zayn, and Luke Harper, yet Jinder Mahal is the WWE champion, Randy Orton is the perennial
number one contender, and Baron Corbin is 99% likely going to be WWE champion sooner than any of those other guys I listed.
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Quentil
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You know, I hated the women's MitB ending Sunday night, but Carmella was just on fucking fire to open the show, bringing up some solid ammo to
punch holes into my selfish wants.
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Count Zero
The Rowdy One 
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Carmella also sold me on her holding the case too. "what, it's okay when dudes fuck dudes over, but when a girl does it OMG SATAN?" Plus,
I'm a bit irrationally-supportive of CAWMELLUH, for reasons I dun even no.
(Eta: Even if, say, Maryse helps the Miz win things, we're used to that. But J. Ellsworth being 'Maryse' is somehow bad?)
When Nattie said she knew about long nights because of her cats, I lost it. I dun even no. But Nattie's Cat Lady gimmick is crazy
hilarious.
[Edited on 6-21-2017 by Count Zero]
"It's a WWE tradition, to do something un-right." --Paddlefoot
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janerd75
The Great One 
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Randall O: I saw them (the Singh Bros) put their hands on my father and I saw red.
"Well, life's a bitch n' then you marry one. Alls you know now is you're goin' into the bar tonight to get just fuckin'
interplanetary." - Wayne (Letterkenny)
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Count Zero
The Rowdy One
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I'm a little behind, thanks to the magic of PVR, but UNPREDICTABLE JOHNNY RODZ reference?
 Oh man, that takes me places.
eta: Becky just buried herself in that promo. But it kind of works..
[Edited on 6-21-2017 by Count Zero]
"It's a WWE tradition, to do something un-right." --Paddlefoot
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the goon
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Tamina insulting Charlotte with the exact same insult she had just used on Natalya was, um, awkward.
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Paddlefoot
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She should have gone "I did for The Rock. I did it for the people" just to mess with everyone's heads.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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janerd75
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I wonder how this whets The Rick's end-of-show appetite since he's so close he can taste Randy Orton.
"Well, life's a bitch n' then you marry one. Alls you know now is you're goin' into the bar tonight to get just fuckin'
interplanetary." - Wayne (Letterkenny)
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Quentil
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quote:
Originally posted by the goon
Tamina insulting Charlotte with the exact same insult she had just used on Natalya was, um, awkward.
Yeah, I noticed that too and was like.... .... .... ... Did someone screw up a line or something? Because that was just weird.
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Count Zero
The Rowdy One
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quote:
Originally posted by the goon
Tamina insulting Charlotte with the exact same insult she had just used on Natalya was, um, awkward.
Oh man, I thought that was just me
hearing things. Thank you.
eta: also... Luke Harper vs Jinder Mahal.... for the WWE Championship. Mind: blown.
[Edited on 6-21-2017 by Count Zero]
"It's a WWE tradition, to do something un-right." --Paddlefoot
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the goon
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Yeah, maybe Tamina blanked on what she was supposed to say there or something? And the thing was, it was a pretty damn funny insult when Charlotte
said it to Natalya. But then Tamina said the near exact same thing to Charlotte and it was just awkward crickets.
quote:
Originally posted by janerd75
I wonder how this whets The Rick's end-of-show appetite since he's so close he can taste Randy Orton.
Considering Rick was subjected to a main event portion consisting of Mahal/Harper, a Corbin cash-in fake out, and a Randy Orton run-in, on top of the
promise of a women's MITB match next week, I hope he at least got good and loaded during the show.
On the flipside, he did get to see a pretty damn great Nakamura/Ziggler match (which I think was definitely better than their match at Backlash a
couple of months ago).
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Jumbie
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If it had been Dana Brooke as the Protege getting the briefcase, I don't think anyone would have had a big problem with it.
But to make a big deal about changing divas to women and putting up the FIRST EVAR Women's ladder match, it just wasn't the place to
insert a man as a deciding factor.
Elseworth 'winning' is not the same as a 'male Maryse' from a meta point of view and the refusal to let the women stand on
their own as a booking decision is certainly the only reason I was upset.
"I'm a team player."
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First 9
The Rowdy One
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Well, atleast Harper and Gable are back.
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williamssl
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quote:
Originally posted by Jumbie
Elseworth 'winning' is not the same as a 'male Maryse' from a meta point of view
If Maryse were a male I'd probably still be sexually attracted to him.
Don't Mess With Texas
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Paddlefoot
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Ellsworth needs to wear the matching pants for the big jacket. It makes him look like one of the popsicles running around in a hazmat suit at a
chemical spill.
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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Flash
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It would be kinda funny if they devoted various inserts into next weeks SD showing Orton traveling all over India just to RKO his relatives... that or
he gets there and someone tells him that Mahal's parents actually live in Calgary.
Orton being Orton could always just shrug, and then show up clean shaven in the ring back in America behind Mahal without explanation.
I think the WWE still missed the boat on this whole MITB finish for the ladies; if this was the third, or fourth MITB they've been in and they
went with that finish then that's fine- typical heel stuff 101... but this wasn't just a lame outcome to a story; it's the WWE
patting themselves on the back for giving an extra five minutes a show to the ladies as they tout the whole Diva's Revolution, but are still
dropping the ball most of the time with Sunday just being a more glaring example.
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janerd75
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quote:
Originally posted by williamssl
quote:
Originally posted by Jumbie
Elseworth 'winning' is not the same as a 'male Maryse' from a meta point of view
If Maryse were a male I'd probably still be sexually attracted to him.
Then boy oh BOY do I have something for you to find, to hunt. Relax,
it's clothed.
Speaking of men doing better jobs at being women than actual women, I'm actually shocked at how much the Ellsworth interference really bums me
out and pisses me off about the in-fucking-augural women's MITB match. Like Flash and First mentioned, if it was, say, Dana helping out or the
4th or 5th one of these things, sure.
But to have it happen like that is a shitty precedent to establish from a rules perspective. Yes yes, fake n' whatnot, but there are long
established rules matches follow that usually aren't broken without some important mitigating reason. And certainly not on the first goddamn
one, because it's utterly stupid that the initial WMITB will be remembered for an uncircumcised penis masquerading as a dude winning it. If the
rules really don't matter then I'll just go get really drunk and simultaneously watch the Arnold Classic, gymnastics, and MMA videos on
youtube until I get so lit they blur into something approximating a WWE I'd want to watch.
Have Ellsworth do some outside shenanigans to impede someone from getting Carmella off the ladder before she grabs it? Fine and dandy. But
fuck's sake, "Here, have this"? Fuck that noise. Fuck it right in the manpussy.
"Well, life's a bitch n' then you marry one. Alls you know now is you're goin' into the bar tonight to get just fuckin'
interplanetary." - Wayne (Letterkenny)
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Paddlefoot
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I'm wondering if it's Linda's fault, that she's bringing home insanity-causing cooties from the Trump House after work and
they've infested Vince's hairpiece. It's like almost everything they've done since Mania (and most of what was done at Mania
too) has been completely half-assed. And so poorly thought-out that these plotlines wouldn't pass at a night school creative writing class.
Something's gone badly kablooey at WWE and the meh-ness is accelerating and getting worse with every passing week. If they've managed to
wreck the SD PPV's then there's really not much point in getting involved with it anymore. 
You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling
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SpiNNeR72
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Was I the only one hoping Rick would come out for Owens challenge? 
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janerd75
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quote:
Originally posted by SpiNNeR72
Was I the only one hoping Rick would come out for Owens challenge?
No. 
I tried to scour the crowd best I could but alas I couldn't find anything to make a proper The Rick gif. 
"Well, life's a bitch n' then you marry one. Alls you know now is you're goin' into the bar tonight to get just fuckin'
interplanetary." - Wayne (Letterkenny)
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Cherokee Jack
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quote:
Originally posted by the goon
I know I'm in the VAST minority here, but I didn't have a major issue with the finish of the MITB match, as to me it was just
"Traditional Heel Tactics 101." Carmella was the only woman in the match with a lackey, and that lackey took it upon himself to help her win the
match when an opportunity presented itself. I totally get why people didn't like it, but if Chris Jericho can become the first-ever undisputed
world champion with mass help and interference (in two separate matches, no less), I can live with Ellsworth pulling the briefcase down for Carmella
in the first-ever women's MITB match.
Difference between this and your Jericho example is that Jericho still had to actually pin his
opponents to win those matches. I had no problem with Ellsworth getting involved in the match, hell I expected it. But him actually climbing the
ladder, grabbing the briefcase and tossing it to Carmella on the mat would be more akin to a no-DQ match where, let's say Sheamus is fighting
Matt Hardy, and Cesaro hits the ring and puts Matt in the sharpshooter, and Matt taps in view of the referee. Matt tapped, therefore Sheamus wins! It
would be incredibly lame and presumably garner much well-deserved venom over the ridiculous notion that a match can/would end that way.
Yeah this is wrestling, it's a work and ridiculous things can happen etc etc etc, but there has to be some rock bottom baseline of what the
rules are and how matches work.
Negating the match is fine for now, but there has to be some clarification going forward that only the participants in a MITB/ladder match can be the
one to retrieve the item hanging above the ring. Otherwise, as I noted before, there is absolutely no logical reason that every competitor (or at the
least every heel competitor) doesn't have every teammate/ally/whatever posse they can round up in the back rushing the ring trying to win on
their behalf.
I'm Cherokee Jack!
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punkerhardcore
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When Charlotte was making her case backstage, and said it was a travesty for that sort of interference in a history making match, I was really hoping
Daniel Bryan would just look at her and say, "You mean like Wrestlemania last year, when the new Women's belt was introduced, and the only
reason you won was thanks to interference from your daddy? You stupid bitch."
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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