Devineman
Fella  
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| posted on 8-24-2011 at 06:26 PM |
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Didn't watch it, but DVR'ed it. Fast forwarded through most of it. Saw Punk/Nash/HHH/ADR/Cena. Still think they'd completely
fucked it up and I'm still not buying any of their PPVs apart from Rumble and Wrestlemania.
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Doug Almighty
Creepy Little Bastard
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Registered 4-24-2005 Member Is Offline Mood: Rarified
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| posted on 8-24-2011 at 07:37 PM |
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This week's show was confirmation that nothing is going to change. It's not a new era. Lots of symptoms of 'systemic creative
shortcomings' on show again.
Lazy start with HHH coming out making the main event between the guys squabbling in the ring, which was essentially an upscale Teddy Long style
opening. Why did ADR go out to the ring to begin with, in his wrestling gear, if he wasn't aware he was going to be wrestling until HHH told
him? LAZY, stale. And THE SAME. Different people involved, but still way too familiar.
Everything is noticeably compartmentalised and inconsequential, with the arguable exception of the textgate thing for the moment (as at least that
involves a variety of people, certainly if you try to work out a solution anyway) but otherwise the show is a series of fast-forwardable blocks of
'nothing new/exciting' and/or 'nothing worth investing in long-term.'
Obviously, yes, Punk is blazing away on the shows, but he's blazing away at the expense of the rest of the show in some ways. He rips on Cena,
he rips on HHH and his friends, he rips on the crapness of a contract signing etc etc. He is (quite rightly) pulling apart the shows because
they're weak, for a variety of reasons, but the weaknesses stick around...
Would be like Sawyer on Lost, during the season 2/3 lull, ripping on the mysteries of the show, in character saying "I hate this island! Nothing is
ever properly explained. Ever! I mean, polar bears? Come on! I'm just getting so sick of this weird shit! Hurley... How are you still fat?!
You're a freak of nature!" etc etc. Would be exhilarating to hear those gripes take centre stage! The first few times. But if the show
continued to just churn over, whilst one of the main appeals became Sawyer tearing things apart every week, people would eventually just think "Well,
it was fun to hear one of the main characters rip on annoying things in the show! And the failings of the other characters/actors etc. Ahh, but I
don't really feel the need to watch anymore, as I agree with him, but the show is no different to how it was BEFORE he started pointing all
these things out."
Regardless, after season 2/3, Lost picked up the pace again and went places. It evolved in a storytelling sense. Raw isn't picking up the pace
or going places or evolving in a storytelling sense. Some bits of the show are entirely interchangeable and some bits seem the same every damn week!
The diva bits, and some of the matches on the shows (with predictable ad break in the middle... Resuming in a resthold! As usual) It's all lazy,
stale and the same. Well, apart from Punk. Who rips on things that are lazy, stale and the same.
The Truth/Miz thing was fun, but no more than that and again, was a segment by itself that seemed detached from the rest of the show. The 'small
part of a bigger picture' story progression re: Nash's fake-out car accident and the distraction of Punk etc, also significant. But was a
very small part of a 2 hour show. The real shame is that the staleness of the overall show is suffocating interesting things like Punk's rise,
and the textgate thing, so that there's no 'must see' net effect.
Problem is, that could lead people in power to think "Punk doesn't draw" Or "The whodunnit storyline isn't interesting to people" When
they should be thinking "We have some good things going on, but we aren't going to hold audiences whilst the shows are 80% THE SAME. We need to
switch things up fundamentally. Not just have 20% of each show be noteworthy."
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Jumbie
And I am AWESOME
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Registered 9-22-2010 Member Is Offline Mood: Hopeful
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| posted on 8-24-2011 at 08:28 PM |
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Punk: "Well, guess what, buddy? I'm a habitual line stepper."
Me: *Pictures Punk doing Riverdance.*
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JB KING
 
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Registered 12-4-2009 Location Oxnard, CA Member Is Offline Mood: Jamming
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| posted on 8-24-2011 at 09:00 PM |
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I'm sure this board can find a lot of uses for this. Outside of general TNA reactions. HAR HAR.
Two time Winner for 2010 Breakthrough Poster of the Year Award. You read that right.
XBL Gamertag: JB KING
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Dominator
And I am AWESOME
Posts 150
Registered 7-5-2007 Location Florida Member Is Offline Mood: Cheeky
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| posted on 8-25-2011 at 12:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CM Crunk
I have to agree with The Goon here, because while I understand some of it, I just don't get all of the Del Rio hate around these parts. I have
no problem with his work in the ring, but I do understand the criticisms of his mic work. "My name is Albert Del Rio..." is a great heat magnet of
an opening line, but everything else after that falls flat, and lets face it; His promos reek of lazy writer monkey bullshit. Destiny, destiny,
besmirch city in which the show is taking place, destiny, destiny, blah blah blah. It's boring.
He was pretty much out of his element with Punk and Cena. Outside of his trademark bits on the mic, he seems to get flustered. At this point I think
he could get outclassed in a face to face confrontation on the mic by Jumpin' Jeff Farmer. Or Trent Barretta.
My big problem was that he was pretty much an afterthought in the opening promo, taking the backseat to Punk and Cena, and normally I'd be
thankful for that, but due to questionable booking decisions--HE'S THE CHAMPION. The champ should never be an afterthought, and while he's
logged a couple of decisive victories and has looked strong in the process, I still think he should be chasing the title, or waiting in the wings to
cash in his MiTB. He shouldn't be sharing screen time with Punk and Cena.
I like ADR, I do. I think he has a natural charisma that helps him hang with the main-eventers (and which probably helped with his uber-push.) He has
a quality that makes it easy do believe him being a upper midcarder, and now a main eventer. His body language and reactions are typically spot-on,
hell, just watch him after the fan threw Cena's shirt back.
But his hackneyed mic work and the shoehorning of his character into the middle of what is/was the hottest story line in years is only shining a
spotlight on his shortcomings. I think a good portion of the fans are resenting him right now, and not for the proper reasons. Hence the "X-Pac
heat" accusations. Give him time, I'm sure everyone here'll be salivating over his pito a year or two from now.
That being said, I was thoroughly entertained by his match with JoMo. Morrison looked strong throughout, which made me happy because I've been a
fan since the Tough Enough days. Shame about the whole cuckolding thing. I think the whip into the ring post should be his regular setup for the Royal
Armbar.
Also, one last rambling comment. Am I the only one who was more irritated with Lawler than Cole last night?
I get irritated when someone makes clever, rational, poignant, cogent, well-researched posts. I thought I was the only one on these boards doing
that. You will be hearing from my copyright infringement attorney, sir.
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Frank Lloyd Wright
Man of a Thousand Holds 
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Registered 10-2-2007 Location Fallingwater Member Is Offline Mood: Megalomaniac
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| posted on 8-25-2011 at 05:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CM Crunk
Also, one last rambling comment. Am I the only one who was more irritated with Lawler than Cole last night?
NO......and he really went overboard when he started shitting all over CM Punk's accomplishments. It's one thing to trash Otunga and
McGillicutty, but give me a break! It's bad enough having Cole annoy the crap out of us, we don't need Lawler joining the party now.
I have two ambitions in life: one is to drink every pub dry, the other is to sleep with every woman on earth -- Oliver Reed
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theflammablemanimal
The Man
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| posted on 8-25-2011 at 09:40 PM |
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When Nash said he stepped over lines too. I was hoping Punk would say "yeah, but I can do it without blowing out my knee."
Don't understand how people think Punk is being depushed. He got the most tv time, his angle still dominates the show, Supercena said Punk is
the only one who can best him, and he took Cena to the limit for the 3rd time in a row without losing cleanly. Lawler's odd singing aside,
that's a good showing.
And I think the main event was some of the best announcing in years. Yes, it was odd that Lawler was bashing Punk, but it was also nice that he
wasn't blindly loving a face while Cole blindly loved a heel. In fact, Cole seemed to be rooting for both of them, cheering both of their
finishers. And Lawler even seemed to come around to Punk at the end of the match. To me, it almost sounded like they didn't have voices in their
ears and were getting caught up in the match.
On the other hand, I also don't see the point of shitting on Otungigutty. It would've made sense if they did well and turned his opinion
around, but instead it just means that King Bourne beat losers. I wonder if they've just made the mistake of giving Lawler more leeway to say
what he wants.
Wait, so Laurinitis obviously set up Punk, but doesn't he hate Cena? Wasn't it only a month ago he was trying to strip Cena of the title?
Really, he should hate both guys.
I fastforwarded until the end of the divas match (as usual), but it sounded like Cole was giving it the lack.of respect it deserved. Is he still
shitting on all diva matches?
The thing that really worries me about textgate is that they've never been good at reveals. In fact, they seem to know they're terrible at
it and have just given up. They set up a few mysteries over the past couple of years (secret nexus leader, anonymous gm) and seem to have just walked
away without ever delivering the reveal.
I don't know how anyone can say ADR wasn't shoved down our throats. He came in, took out Mysterio, punked out Kane, took out Christian,
won the Rumble and won MITB. That's almost as good as Angle's initial run.
And to whoever said Barrett wasn't pushed as hard, the guy debuted in the main event and remained the biggest angle for 6 months or so, got a
win over Cena, and had a title match that many expected him to win. That's also the kind of push that let's you know they think be's
championship material.
The first undisputed OO draft champion of the world
Get the pistons pumping and let the pigeons loose on my yambag
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gimmickless
rOOkie
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Registered 6-19-2011 Member Is Offline Mood:
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| posted on 8-26-2011 at 07:34 AM |
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I would not be surprised if they're gunning for a 15-year anniversary reprose of the Kliq Curtain Call at Survivor Series. It would be a shame
if that were the case, but some people have a hard-on for history.
In the meantime, I'm liking HHH's conflicted reactions in this. Cena was decent, but Punk was coasting on the mic this week.
Props to this continuation of the Vickie's Stable storyline. I can't tell if this is a tease or a Swagger/Ziggler feud. Seriously hoping
for the former, and this is from someone genuinely annoyed by Vickie. The permutations here have potential for exponential greatness. Maybe
something in line for Survivor Series?
The Awesome Truth? Digging it. Have high hopes for next month's continuation of wherever this is going. Hope they don't team against
Santino/Hornswaggler next week, though.
Two weeks of Divas of Doom slow-clapping? Meh. *Do* something next week.
I find it interesting to see the announcers biased for or against particular wrestlers instead of being split on alignment. It's a wrinkle I
hadn't expected to see even a year ago. I'm not quite sold on it, as it makes for a potential feud with an announcer, and that's
not a possibility I want to see.
Cena/Punk is verging in on Flair/Sting as a formula match already. You think you'll see about the same match 10 years later? I do.
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Dominator
And I am AWESOME
Posts 150
Registered 7-5-2007 Location Florida Member Is Offline Mood: Cheeky
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| posted on 8-26-2011 at 07:20 PM |
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1. John Cena: "I'm tired of making average look awesome." (*cough*ORTON*cough*)
2. Yes, we could see Cena v. Punk for the next 10 years just like Flair v. Sting. And quite frankly, just like Flair/Sting, if they can keep this
level of high quality matches up, I'll never tire of it.
3. Ummm... why hasn't nobody in the beloved IWC brought this up?
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
8 minutes left in the broadcast.
John Cena busts out the Crippler Crossface.
I'm not sayin'.
I'm just sayin'.
Don't tell me Chris Jericho didn't notice.
[Edited on 8-26-2011 by Dominator]
P.S. Don't tell me Bret Hart didn't notice, either.
[Edited on 8-28-2011 by Dominator]
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JB KING
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Registered 12-4-2009 Location Oxnard, CA Member Is Offline Mood: Jamming
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| posted on 8-26-2011 at 07:25 PM |
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Im sure Bob Holly didnt mind
Two time Winner for 2010 Breakthrough Poster of the Year Award. You read that right.
XBL Gamertag: JB KING
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Thom
The Great One 
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Registered 1-14-2003 Location Amazingville Member Is Offline Mood: Awesome
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| posted on 8-26-2011 at 07:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dominator
1. John Cena: "I'm tired of making average look awesome."
He wasn't, by chance, referring to his work with/against Miz, was he?
"I'm actually not wearing pants, and that's how I watch NXT every single week." - CM Punk
http://www.myspace.com/bassmantar
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