ModSquad
The Online Onslaught 'Gustapo'
Posts 3466
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Describe your board lag
We all know the board lags. Apparently, some of us might not know how bad it is for some other people. A couple hours ago, an old-school poster told
me how bad it is for him, and I was surprised at how much worse his problem is than mine. I assumed the HORRIBLE lag other people described was the
same one I had, only they were blowing things out of proportion. (Sometimes people do that.) I made that assumption because I've used a bunch of
different computers and browsers in a lot of different areas with different ISPs, and I haven't had different problems.
So what I'd like to know is...
1. How bad is it for you?
2. What happens?
3. How is it affecting your posting? Would a fix change your posting?
4. What solutions would you be willing to consider? Keep in mind that hacks over the years may have screwed up OO's XMB code so bad that
XMB's normal restore/upgrade options probably aren't possible.
For example, here are my answers...
1. Mostly harmless. The worst thing is the late-night board lag
2. 4 out of 5 times, forums and threads load just fine. When it does lag, it can be up to 20 seconds. Most of the time, it's 10 or less. The
main forums page lags the least. Loading separate forums and threads takes longer. The longest lag comes on the "last post in a thread/forum"
button.
3. I post the same I always did. A fix wouldn't make me post any more.
4. I'm fine with lots of options.
- Do nothing.
- Risk an upgrade even if it means losing some posts, threads, posters, etc.
- Delete the board and install new software.
- Close the board and leave it up like a museum. Open a new one.
- Donate to a "save the board" fund and paypal Rick enough money to hire a MySQL engineer to fix this. (Hey, while he's at it, he could add
spoiler tags and a namechange function.) I'm good for $10.
Don't panic though! I just made up those options off the top of my head. I have no idea what Rick can do, and I don't know what
kind of free time he has to do this. I know that he's tried to upgrade the boards in the past and spent upwards of 8 hours before the hacked
code defeated him. In the end the reason why stuff hasn't been done is because the tradeoff has been risking losing YOUR posts.
Keep in mind this isn't a promise anything is going to happen. I'd just like to know how bad it is for people out there (who knows, maybe
someone describes a new symptom), and how people feel about it and how important it is to them.
"The moment that The Rick tells me that I am in the wrong then I will stop. And since I have 10 years of reading his work under my belt I feel fairly
confident that he won't since he is a proponent of thinking differently. Save the threats."
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PyroFalkon
Fella  
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Registered 11-17-2004 Location Xenia, Ohio Member Is Offline Mood:
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| posted on 8-4-2008 at 04:24 AM |
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I loved numbered questions, just like Deadpool!
1. It strikes me randomly. There will be days where the forum operates as it should, and others will it will lag on me all day. There SEEMS to be no
pattern, which I know isn't much help; however, it seems that if it lags for me at ALL, then it will lag for me ALL DAY.
2. Assuming lag strikes, then 95% of the time, the forum takes forever to load; the other 5% is a long lag followed by a blank page once the load
"finishes." (And not a 404 or anything: it's literally a blank page. The browser reports the page loaded, but all I get is a blank white
"page.") Most lags are about 60 seconds at best, and a couple minutes at worst. I've randomly attempted to refresh the page now and then
during a load, but it never helps.
Typically I'm surfing multiple pages at once so the lag never bothers me. For awhile I thought THAT was the cause of the lag, but the lags hit
me when I'm surfing only the forums, and non-lag gets me when I've got 20 pages open including pulling bandwidth form LimeWire and YouTube
simultaneously. Again, there seems to be no pattern other than, if it lags for me at 11am, it's going to lag on me all day.
Also, if the lag hits at all, it seems equal in its effects on Firefox, Opera, and MSIE.
3. I post so infrequently that I doubt my posting would increase by any substantial amount. However, I'd definitely READ more threads, which
theoretically would get me to respond to more; I wouldn't bet on it, though.
4. Considering answer #3, I really don't care if a fix is applied or if a new board is created or what. I know I'm in the tiniest minority
here, but if the board wasn't here AT ALL (a la Rick's ISP adventures earlier this year), it wouldn't exactly alter my day's
schedule. I definitely wouldn't donate any money to the cause, but that doesn't mean I WANT the board to go away either or anything.
In short? I'm Switzerland on this.
[Edited on 8-4-2008 by PyroFalkon]
First one to flatulate sleeps in the hall.
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Operation Retard
Beats me, I'm gay!
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| posted on 8-4-2008 at 04:41 AM |
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i'll play this game.
1. ok enough that i can handle focusing on one thread a month and only reading/posting in that one thread. bad enough that i can only handle
focusing on one thread a month and only reading/posting in that one thread.
2. consistently, regardless of time of day, i'll get an approx. 30 second lag when going from the main forum page into an individual forum.
there's generally no lag when going into a thread, but the lag comes back when i leave the thread back into the forum. sometimes i get lucky and
the lag is only 10-15 seconds. about 2% of the i get REAL lucky and the lag almost nothing. but seriously, that's very rare. i should also point
out the 30 sec. lag is ONLY when i use firefox 3. with other browsers the lag is closer to 2 minutes.
3. it affects my posting in that it's the reason i almost never post. like i said earlier, i generally pick one thread a month. this month it
was the dark knight thread. i can handle the 30 second wait to read and get to one single thread. after that i generally keep that thread open and
just refresh sporadically. there's generally no lag for me when inside a thread, so doing it that way works. but it basically makes hopping from
thread to thread or forum to forum too time consuming.
yes, if fixed i'm sure i would post (or as pryo pointed out, at least read) more.
4. i wish i had an answer here. i would hate for the years of posts to get lost to a new board. i really don't know what solution i'd
prefer. but i'm up for suggestions.
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LuckyLopez
Reeks of WCW 
Posts 12565
Registered 2-13-2003 Member Is Offline Mood: Grieving
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| posted on 8-4-2008 at 04:59 AM |
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1. As has been said it is no longer a "late night board lag" that affects the board occasionally. Or a "WM Build" lag that affects the board
during a certain time of year. It is a 24 hour thing that can hit at any time and probably happens more often then it doesn't. The standard
for OO is a long load that can last anywhere between 20 seconds and a few minutes that demand stopping and trying again. Firefox 3 has cut this down
hugely for me but from what I can tell the experience hasn't been universal. And the lag still exists on and off.
2. Tard's description is pretty true to my experiences. Main board tends to load best. Individual threads aren't that bad. The forums
themselves take forever. Even now with Firefox 3 cutting down these problems that same basic formula still exists. Even if things are loading up
quickly the jump into a forum will take 5x to 10x longer and are the only times that I really feel the need to hit stop and refresh and try again.
3. It makes OO a less frequent stop. Where other boards may get reloaded every time I feel like surfing around and looking for a distraction
OO's loading time makes it more of a 1 or 2 time a day "stop in to see what was posted" experience. I'd say that the only reason I
check more than that is my mod status and basic loyalty to the board. But even as I've been tempted to start a "TNA Chat" thread or something
to maybe spark conversation the minute or 5 that it takes to load the main page, load the wrestling page, load a new post, and post it is enough to
make me give up.
4. I have no idea. I'd hate to lose posts but quite frankly OO was dealing with enough of a problem by disappearing for a month, changing
addresses, and the general stagnancy on the main page. So eliminating a major problem to the board that is discouraging people from posting and
reading just seems to make sense, even if that means losing old posts. Of course that won't change other reasons the board is suffering such as
the new address people don't know and the "wrestling" in the title that many jobs seem to block.
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Thom
The Great One 
Posts 3661
Registered 1-14-2003 Location Amazingville Member Is Offline Mood: Awesome
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| posted on 8-4-2008 at 04:36 PM |
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I realize I'm not really adding much, but I have almost the exact same problems that Lucky described.
That being said, there seems to be little to no lag (at certain, seemingly random times) this morning.
But, to be a little more specific:
1: Various times, but seems even slower over the weekend.
2: Main board - OK. Threads - usually OK, but not always. Forums - fuhggedaboudit. "Real" lags last anywhere from approx. 30 seconds to 2+
minutes
3: I sometimes find it so frustrating that I just leave the boards altogether for a while. So, yes, my post frequency is probably less than what it
would be if the lags weren't present.
4: I probably wouldn't spend John Cena to get it fixed, as it's really just an annoyance. But, any of the suggestions listed previously
are OK with me. Sure, I'd prefer to not lose posts, but the trade-off would be worth it, IMO. Besides, I'm not that concerned
with my post count.
"I'm actually not wearing pants, and that's how I watch NXT every single week." - CM Punk
http://www.myspace.com/bassmantar
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punkerhardcore
The Man 
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Registered 7-15-2005 Member Is OnlineMood: Lickable
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| posted on 8-4-2008 at 04:45 PM |
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1. & 2. I'm getting between 30-60 seconds each time. It's the worst when I click one of the main forum buttons (Wrestling, Retro, Divas,
etc.), but always loads fairly quickly once I'm actually in there and click on a thread.
It's odd that you mention the "last post in a thread" thing is slowest for you, because that always seems fast for me.
3. It hasn't really affected my posting... I just haven't posted as much lately because I don't have much to say. But despite the
lag, I still come here multiple times daily.
4. As far as solutions, I know jack shit about computers, so I wouldn't really know. If a donation fund were set up, I'd gladly toss a
few bucks in.
[Edited on 8-4-2008 by punkerhardcore]
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
Come participate in the Career Deadpool 2012! All suggestions/discussions are
welcome.
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PyroFalkon
Fella
Posts 369
Registered 11-17-2004 Location Xenia, Ohio Member Is Offline Mood:
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| posted on 8-5-2008 at 01:51 AM |
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Now that we've got a discussion, permit me to alter my #2...
Oddly for me, my problem seems to be the exact OPPOSITE of the rest of you. My main lag, when it strike at all, is in the threads. Refreshing tends to
work fine, but the initial load (especially into a picture-happy divas thread) pretty much makes my browser want to swallow a cyanide pill with a
bullet chaser. Conversely, when heading to the main page of forum breakdowns, and the subsequent click to get into the thread lists, the lag is
typically lightest.
I should note that, of all the times I've come here since OO became OOW, I've only experienced crippling lag (defined as "fuck this, I
have better things to do") TWICE. Once was about six days after the site came back when I first discovered it, and the second time was the first day
Rick posted the "Reward: One Shiny Nickel!" thread in the divas forum. Other than those two, lag has been TOLERABLE, but ever-present.
I dunno, it's weird. This is why I gave up on being a web-designer: I just don't have the patience to troubleshoot.
First one to flatulate sleeps in the hall.
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ConcreteTG
The Great One 
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Registered 10-6-2002 Location sitting on a guardrail Member Is Offline Mood: Heroic
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| posted on 8-5-2008 at 02:26 PM |
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1. Lag during the day is rarely more than about 30 seconds. During the night it's next to impossible for me to post anything - especially after
1a (EST)
2. Usually it hangs a bit and loads, occasionally I get an error during the day. Refreshing works most of the time.
3. I don't see it really affecting my posting much - I've slowed in my posting here and at Pun's in recent months.
4. A full repair would be great and if a fundraiser starts I'd be willing to donate. Otherwise, tinkering with it could only make the problems
worse.
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gobbledygooker
Sister Act 2 
Posts 6075
Registered 12-17-2002 Location Charlotte, NC Member Is Offline Mood: Opus Eponymous
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| posted on 8-5-2008 at 06:39 PM |
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I'm not gonna number since my lag problems have been corrected over the last couple weeks.
As I've mentioned before, due to not currently having the Internet at home, the only time I can get on is at work. I had been having HORRIBLE
lags from here but in the last couple weeks, that's gone away and there's been no lag at all, main boards, threads or otherwise.
Anyone who lets their hair grow below their ears to where I can't see their ears means they don't wash. If they don't wash, they
stink, and if they stink, I don't want the son-of-a-bitch around me.
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The Bad Guy
Man of a Thousand Holds
Posts 1272
Registered 10-27-2002 Member Is Offline Mood:
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| posted on 8-6-2008 at 07:45 PM |
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1. How bad is it for you?
2. What happens?
There's a lag every (and I mean literally every) time I try to load one of the forumdisplay.php pages. It can range anywhere from half a minute
to holy crap I'm just going to do something in another tab and hope it's done loading when I'm done with that.
I have had other, worse problems in the past, with the board lagging out when trying to post (after I've already written the post and hit post
reply), and other more general lagginess all over the place, but now it's pretty much just the forumdisplay.php pages.
3. How is it affecting your posting? Would a fix change your posting?
Basically, it makes me go off and do something else and sometimes I forget to come back. A fix would remove the issue, so there's be no reason
to go off.
4. What solutions would you be willing to consider?
You gotta do what you gotta do. It's not so bad for me that I'd suggest taking any drastic measures or anything, but if it's
considerably worse for others, hey, do what you gotta do.
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DriftThroughTime
Man of a Thousand Holds
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Registered 4-25-2005 Location Boston, MA Member Is Offline Mood:
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| posted on 8-8-2008 at 06:15 PM |
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1. How bad is it for you?
The late night lag of two to three minutes to load a thread is less prevalent, but I seem to encounter a 20 second delay during the day once in a
while. Maybe once out of every five log ins. I think I've been relatively lucky, or I just have good timing.
2. What happens?
Thread loads, but the posts take 20 to 30 seconds to appear. Not a huge deal.
3. How is it affecting your posting? Would a fix change your posting?
It really doesn't change it much at all. It's not nearly as bad as the late night board lag was.
4. What solutions would you be willing to consider?
Whatever you gotta do, if you come to the conclusion that it's still plaguing this community.
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ConcreteTG
The Great One
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Registered 10-6-2002 Location sitting on a guardrail Member Is Offline Mood: Heroic
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| posted on 8-12-2008 at 05:05 AM |
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Mod, I don't know if you did anything but the boards are running much smoother tonight 
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Figure Foreskin
Prefers punkerhardcore Penis 
Posts 2469
Registered 5-4-2004 Location 5-4-2004 Member Is Offline Mood: Smashing
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| posted on 8-13-2008 at 05:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ModSquad
- Close the board and leave it up like a museum. Open a new one.
Didn't that already happen?
"Any time you agree with Krydor, you're wrong." - Jeb
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Operation Retard
Beats me, I'm gay!
Posts 2957
Registered 1-4-2002 Member Is Offline Mood:
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| posted on 8-14-2008 at 03:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Figure Foreskin
Didn't that already happen?
nope. outages and board wipes not withstanding, this board has been the same from the beginning.
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Figure Foreskin
Prefers punkerhardcore Penis
Posts 2469
Registered 5-4-2004 Location 5-4-2004 Member Is Offline Mood: Smashing
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| posted on 8-14-2008 at 09:37 PM |
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That was actually a very clever everyone-left-and-joined-another-board-leaving-this-as-a-museum joke.
I'm really really funny.
"Any time you agree with Krydor, you're wrong." - Jeb
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joerizal
Showstopper 
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Registered 2-7-2005 Member Is Offline Mood: carnivorey
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| posted on 8-15-2008 at 12:53 PM |
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I don't know if this is only affecting you guys in the States (or Western hemisphere), but I have absolutely NO problem accessing the fOOrums
(thread, main page, etc). I usually visit the site at around 12MN Central time (I converted it for you, you're welcome) onwards. Maybe your
server's housed in India..
my av is a burger.
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El_Diablo
Turd Generation Superstar
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| posted on 8-16-2008 at 06:01 AM |
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I know I'm a new guy, nobody knows me, but for what it's worth I'd be happy to sit down with whoever and analyze the database
looking for the problems (or potential problems).
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Figure Foreskin
Prefers punkerhardcore Penis
Posts 2469
Registered 5-4-2004 Location 5-4-2004 Member Is Offline Mood: Smashing
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| posted on 8-18-2008 at 06:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by joerizal
I don't know if this is only affecting you guys in the States (or Western hemisphere), but I have absolutely NO problem accessing the fOOrums
(thread, main page, etc). I usually visit the site at around 12MN Central time (I converted it for you, you're welcome) onwards. Maybe your
server's housed in India..
There's your answer everyone: move to the phillipines.
quote:
Originally posted by El_Diablo
I know I'm a new guy, nobody knows me, but for what it's worth I'd be happy to sit down with whoever and analyze the database
looking for the problems (or potential problems).
Really? You want us to trust a guy named The Devil?
"Any time you agree with Krydor, you're wrong." - Jeb
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El_Diablo
Turd Generation Superstar
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| posted on 8-19-2008 at 03:44 AM |
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C'mon, if I've been powerful enough to provide Randy Orton with a job, certainly I'm powerful enough to fix SQL errors.
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The Bad Guy
Man of a Thousand Holds
Posts 1272
Registered 10-27-2002 Member Is Offline Mood:
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| posted on 8-20-2008 at 10:52 PM |
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I haven't thoroughly tested this but when I told adblock to block
http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/codebuttons.js
it seems to have lessened the lag on trying to get into a board that I was describing in my previous post considerably.
I don't know what it does, or what might possibly break by blocking it, but for now the board seems to work just fine, with nothing broken with
this js disabled.
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ModSquad
The Online Onslaught 'Gustapo'
Posts 3466
Registered 1-30-2003 Member Is Offline Mood: Adminty
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| posted on 8-21-2008 at 12:53 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ConcreteTG
Mod, I don't know if you did anything but the boards are running much smoother tonight
Wish I could take credit for it, but it's just coincidence. For example, for the first three days after I started this thread, my board lag got
a bunch worse. Like it was poetic justice. Now it's back to minor.
quote:
Originally posted by The Bad Guy
I haven't thoroughly tested this but when I told adblock to block
http://www.oowrestling.com/OOForums/codebuttons.js
it seems to have lessened the lag on trying to get into a board that I was describing in my previous post considerably.
I don't know what it does, or what might possibly break by blocking it, but for now the board seems to work just fine, with nothing broken with
this js disabled.
This is an interesting possibility, because a javascript error could create the lag problems a lot of people experience. But if you remember, a couple
years back we were getting lags due to script errors from ads. Those didn't cure the lags either. They might have added to them, but they
weren't the whole explanation. I'm kinda curious to see if your solution works for other people. Maybe we could get a bigger test
audience.
"The moment that The Rick tells me that I am in the wrong then I will stop. And since I have 10 years of reading his work under my belt I feel fairly
confident that he won't since he is a proponent of thinking differently. Save the threats."
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Thom
The Great One
Posts 3661
Registered 1-14-2003 Location Amazingville Member Is Offline Mood: Awesome
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| posted on 8-21-2008 at 12:54 PM |
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What exactly is adblock? Is it a program that one downloads, or is it just another name for pop-up blocker? I don't see anything resembling
adblock in IE7.
Oh, and going into each forum seems slooooooow the past 2-3 days. I haven't actually timed it, but it seems like it's taking about 30sec+
often.
EDIT: Oh, who fucking knows? Right after posting, I went to Current Events, and it took 42 seconds; then to Entertainment, and it took 22
seconds; Sports - 13 seconds; - Parts Unkown - 7 seconds; finally, back to this forum and it popped up immediately. It's the Internet Gremlins,
for sure.
[Edited on 8/21/08 by Thom]
"I'm actually not wearing pants, and that's how I watch NXT every single week." - CM Punk
http://www.myspace.com/bassmantar
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ThePunisher
The Great One 
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Registered 4-19-2003 Location Asheville, NC Member Is Offline Mood:
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| posted on 8-21-2008 at 01:01 PM |
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AdBlock is a plugin for FireFox that blocks all banner ads as well as Flash if you tell it to. You can find it
here.
As far as I know, there is no AdBlock-type plugin for IE7. I've heard it has something to do with the way Internet Explorer is coded.
Hence, if you come to Manchester with a United shirt on, you may as well come to Raw with a t-shirt of Hitler getting a rimjob from the Queen and
blowjob from Richard the Lionheart. ~Devineman 07/12/2011
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chretienbabacool
The Great One
Posts 3279
Registered 3-5-2003 Location Columbia, MO Member Is Offline Mood: Go Cubs!
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| posted on 8-22-2008 at 02:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ThePunisher
I've heard it has something to do with the way Internet Explorer is coded.
Yeah, crappily.
Go Cubs!
And just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at
their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of
"the dysfunction in the black community"?
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williamssl
Steers and Queers 
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Registered 1-11-2004 Location Hippieville Member Is Offline Mood: Fuck USC
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| posted on 12-4-2008 at 09:08 PM |
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THE FUCKING BOARD LAG IS HINDERNIG MY ABILITY TO ACHIEVE THE GORDUS/RABBXT!
Keeps timing out today. At least for me, from work. I would have achieved the coveted honor by now were it not for the board lag.
CURSES!
Don't Mess With Texas
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