nOOb
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TNA vs. RAW January 4th
Hogan just announced it talking with Joe Rogan @ the Ultimate Fighter Finale, right before the Kimbo Slice fight. Can't think of better
advertising to the people it matters to than that.
[Edited on 12-6-2009 by nOOb]
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ThePunisher
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Isn't it starting at 8:00, too? So they'll get an hour jump on RAW.
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DevilSoprano
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Yea, they're going 3 hours as of now its a hour ahead of Raw. But I'm willing to bet Raw goes three hours as well.
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nOOb
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I'm going to guess that's the first episode Hulk will officially appear on. I'm also going to take it that TNA has more stops that
they can pull out than Raw does, with Hogan having all those names that aren't Beefcake and the Nasty Boys on tap to work with. I'm
really looking forward to a wrestling show, for once. Nicely done Hulk.
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SeanSmythe
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Bet you that WWE will try everything in its power to get that Jan 4 ep to be the one The Rock guest hosts.
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nOOb
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That's realistic and likely. At the same time, there's still no chance I'd be watching because the main event and entirety of the
show would contain some combination of John Cena, Randy Orton, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, and, if they feel tricky enough, Undertaker, and Batista,
which is alright if you haven't seen any of the other 1500 matches that combination of guys have put together over the past four years. TNA has
that working for them, too: they still haven't exhausted every combination of their established guys just yet, so even if they don't
bring in a big surprise from Hogan's bag of tricks, most of what they can still do would seem fresh.
Editted to add: Now, if WWE really wanted to be big assholes, they'd give Kofi Kingston a World Title shot and possibly a World Title win,
since it seems like they're giving him a push from what I've read from the recaps.
[Edited on 12-6-2009 by nOOb]
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Chris Is Good517
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I hate to be a negative asshole but TNA is in no way shape or form even remotely close to being halfway prepared to taking on Raw head-to-head. Even
with Raw being the big ol' ball of suck it usually is and TNA being consistently entertaining lately.
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Paddlefoot
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CIG is right. This could turn into a huge backfire if TNA has Hogan and his lickspittles dominating the show. If Impact is nothing but an
AJ/Joe/Angle/XDiv/Knockouts spotfest then it'll be the best episode they've ever done. The Team Hogan factor could turn it into the worst
one they've ever done just as quickly though.
The most postive thing I could see from this particular Monday night is that, for one evening anyway, it'll light one motherfucker of a fire
underneath WWE. The end result for the E portion of the night, and finally a pay-off for long-suffering fans, could be that Vince actually ends up
putting on a show that turns out to be as memorable as the ones from circa 2000 - 2001 used to be.
When he dies, Till Lindemann will be the coolest ruler of Hell since Bon Scott. Hideous Teutonic
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by Paddlefoot
If Impact is nothing but an AJ/Joe/Angle/XDiv/Knockouts spotfest then it'll be the best episode they've ever done. The Team Hogan factor
could turn it into the worst one they've ever done just as quickly though.
It doesn't matter what they do, though, really. They could do an AJ/Joe/Angle ladder match for the title and it still won't get a third of
the audience Raw will, even if Raw does Cena vs. Rhodes and Pauly Shore is the guest host. The amount of eyes TNA will draw away from Raw is going to
be so miniscule it will go virtually unnoticed, whether TNA puts on an amazing PPV worthy show or books Hogan/Beefcake/Sting vs. Foley/Nasty Boys.
My question is this: is this a one-time thing or are they really going to try to compete against WWE every week?
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TommyD420
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This is gonna be the end of TNA.
Did they not just see the 30 in 30 on the USFL? Hogan is Trump. Jarrett is John Bassett.
TNA has for the last four years (IMO) been the best wrestling product on television. That said, they are in no way, shape or form ready for this.
WCW had how many years of solidifying a fanbase and developing their own talent as well as signing other talent before they went head-to-head with
RAW? 20? TNA's trying to do it in 7 years, and they've only been airing 2-hour episodes on cable for a little more than 2.
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LuckyLopez
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http://www.tnawrestling.com/content/view/1836/84/
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�TNA iMPACT!� will resume its normal timeslot on Thursday, January 7th at 9:00 PM ET/PT with an encore viewing of the live �iMPACT!� special.
"Worst" case scenario I'd think its a test to see if they can put up a respectable number against RAW to see if head-to-head competition is an
option. Put up a dud of a rating and oh well. A failed venture that is still a momentous Impact that airs in its normal slot anyway. Put up a
surprising number that takes a noticeable chunk of RAW's rating and maybe you have a new ambition.
More likely I'd guess its just a stunt to draw attention. Hogan debuting on Impact is "eh." Live Impact Thursday night is interesting. Live
Impact head-to-head against RAW is something that people will naturally flip over to. Any new or casual viewer they get they try to win over and
convince to tune in next Thursday because of that amazing Angle/AJ match they saw or the revelation that RVD is in TNA or if they thing a Hogan vs
Foley stable war is something people are interested in.
The idea that TNA is unlikely to have a good showing rating wise is pretty fair and hard to argue. If their goal is to knock RAW off its pedestal
than, yes, they're dumb in a way they have managed to avoid being dumb in for 7 years. If its just a way to draw attention based on the
undeniable buzz that will come from a one night Monday Night War revival then its at least a worthwhile endeavor that comes down to the quality of the
product they put out and the willingness in the audience to give TNA a chance on Thursday nights.
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LuckyLopez
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Hey, double post now that I'm awake and there's more information.
http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_37194.shtml
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TNA will make their Monday night debut with a three-hour episode of Impact on January 4 up against WWE Raw. Hulk Hogan will also make his
Impact "debut" on Jan. 4, but when asked by Joe Rogan tonight if he'd wrestle, he beat around the bush and said "you never know when this old
man might lace up the boots again, brother."
Hogan said on tonight's "The Ultimate Fighter" Finale on Spike TV that TNA is "going to war" with WWE. Earlier in the show, Hogan, TNA
president Dixie Carter, and Eric Bischoff were shown on-camera. Bischoff is acting in the capacity of Hogan's business partner and has no
official announced or known role with TNA at this point.
TNA Impact is not moving to Monday nights as a regular timeslot. In fact, January 11 Spike TV has a live UFC "Ultimate Fight Night" special on
the schedule. It's the first time Spike TV and UFC have gone head-to-head with Raw with a live "Fight Night" type of card. They did
present a high profile Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock fight once head-to-head with Raw and did well. If Impact does well on Jan. 4, though, TNA may use
that to leverage Spike TV into giving them what they want - a regular Monday night timeslot. Spike is happy with the Thursday ratings for Impact and
isn't convinced Impact would hold strong against Raw on Monday nights. Jan. 4 is a test of that belief, so TNA will go all out to prove they can
compete at this time.
I think that reveals an interest aspect beyond the confirmation that this is a 1 week experiment/special that at most is a test and is probably more
of just a case of "well, if we're going to try and make an impact with Hogan we might as well go balls out with it."
For Spike this looks like part of a larger thing, even if its just a 2 week game of throwing live competition out there against RAW the week that
Monday Night Football goes off air. Maybe them seeing if they can become players on Monday night and take advantage of RAW's cruddy consistency
and MNF's absence. I could see it being less "Impact moves to Monday Night" and more "Spike makes Monday night the home of special events
like UFC Fight Night, TNA Specials, and other stuff."
The other interesting aspect is that it gives WWE a decision to make. If they want to go all out to compete against Impact then what about UFC the
next week? If you're talking to The Rock to guest host do you use him on Jan 4th to try and murder TNA or do you hold him off till Jan 11th to
try to avoid losing face against UFC? If USA's willing to go 3 hours on Jan 4th are they willing to do it on Jan 11th? Do you have it in you
to book two weeks of A Game balls out stuff without blowing your wad for the next PPV or weeks to come?
Its just an interesting twist to me because even though we're naturally going to react to "Monday Night War" on Jan 4th it seems like just
half of a "Spike vs RAW" story.
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Chris Is Good517
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My guess is that its going to be business as usual for WWE because stepping up their game would be acknowledging that TNA exists and that
they're competing with UFC for viewers, neither of which is something that WWE is willing to do.
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Gobshite
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If TNA gets anything above a 1.4 its a massive win for them.
Surely its easier for TNA to get people to tune in on Mondays when they're expecting wrestling on TV than it is to get them to tune in on
Thursdays when Smackdown moved years ago.
I'm also calling 9:03 PM as the moment Kennedy debuts on Impact!
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ThePunisher
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quote:
Originally posted by TommyD420
TNA has for the last four years (IMO) been the best wrestling product on television. That said, they are in no way, shape or form ready for this.
WCW had how many years of solidifying a fanbase and developing their own talent as well as signing other talent before they went head-to-head with
RAW? 20? TNA's trying to do it in 7 years, and they've only been airing 2-hour episodes on cable for a little more than 2.
20 years? No. If you really want to draw parallels, the 7 year mark is the exact time WCW went head to head with RAW. Turner bought WCW in 1988,
and built the brand up to the point where they debuted Monday Nitro in 1995.
And it took WCW a couple years to build the ratings up to be even close to WWE, let alone overtake them. As long as Spike has faith in the product
enough to let this play out long term, I don't see why they couldn't become a legitimate contender on Monday nights.
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mark markham
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I think trying to go head to head for one night would be a good way to test the waters. I don't know how "must see" it is when everyone could
just tune in on Thursday, but they may just pull off a big number on Monday if for nothing else than the train wreck aspect. I think many of the fans
that have been sticking with RAW over the mostly boring years will be glad to see what Hogan can do with TNA. As far as drawing new people...maybe
some of the UFC fans that used to watch WCW back in the old days might be a little interested...the general public? Probably not so much yet.
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quote:
Originally posted by ThePunisher
And it took WCW a couple years to build the ratings up to be even close to WWE, let alone overtake them.
The ratings were actually pretty competitive right out of the gate for Nitro, as evidenced by this handy graph I ripped from Wikipedia:
Personally, I'm excited for this. I remember when RAW was on a Thursday a year or two ago and it was really cool to be able to flip between two
wrestling shows again. While I agree with everyone that TNA probably won't put much of a dent in RAW's ratings, I'm hoping they pull
out all the stops with this one.
Oh yeah, and according to the gossip sites, the WWE is tossing around the idea of a three hour show the same night.
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SeanSmythe
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If they want to get a decent number, they need to market the hell out of that impact. I wouldn't be surprised if some big announcement is made
on RAW tommorow about that Jan 4th show.
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So....
I have my choice of watching TNA Monday night, and missing whatever stunt booking WWE will do to counteract Hogan's debut.
OR...
I can watch RAW and then wait until Thursday to watch the replay of Impact, anyway, and thus watch both.
...kay.....
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SeanSmythe
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Im probably not gonna watch neither because if I am not mistaken, 24 has their season premiere that day.
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DevilSoprano
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Nope, 24 isn't back until the 17th and 18th.
It will be up against a Fiesta Bowl with Boise State and TCU, though.
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SeanSmythe
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Dammit!(see what I did there) Guess I'll watch either TNA Nitro or Raw, depends if Rock is on Raw then thats the clear winner, if ita not then
TNA just to see what actually happens.
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Gobshite
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All they need is something that 'sticks' around 8pm and again at 9 and they're good. If they HAVE to do stuff like ODB's trash
talk, get it out of the way early - but I can see them going the nitro route, with some long, good matches between the cruisers (remember Bischoff
WILL have some input into the show, and he knows that actual matches, regardless of story, are quite 'sticky' as far as TV goes).
You should all watch it, because whilst TNA may be far from ready for war, we all want a better product, and that generally comes from increased
competition.
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nilesanderson
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Another option for you folks who want to watch both and want to encourage competition: watch TNA and download RAW. Sure you don't get RAW live
but you don't miss anything if you avoid spoilers.
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Al Snown3d
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How did Raw got that 8.0 in May 99?
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