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posted on 2-25-2010 at 03:17 AM
Via Rajah...
quote:
Vince McMahon was reportedly pleased with Daniel Bryan's performance on last night's premiere episode of WWE NXT as he felt they made him
"a star" in one night as a result of his interaction with The Miz and match with Chris Jericho.
Hmmmm, looks like if you work hard enough wrestling in front of "50 people in high school gyms" will pay off for you after all. Seriously, nice
news.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 07:35 AM
Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson is the next Bret Hart. I downloaded a package of his matches during his title reign a couple months ago when I heard he
was signed to the WWE. What I saw impressed me. I think this guy does have world champion in him. His promo last night was awesome and he looked like
a contender in his debut match.
Someone suggested in this thread that they felt WWE was trying to subtly bury Daniel Bryan. Seriously? Seriously? He gets the opening segment AND the
main event on the debut episode of the new show WWE is hyping the hell out of and they're trying to bury him? The crowd was reacting to him when
he was cutting up The Miz and when he almost made Chris Jericho tap and people can read into that burying him? Oh, and Otunga is clearly the better
guy because he came off well in a video package edited by one of the best production teams in the planet. It's clear some people forgotten about
how far Sean O'Haire got after his awesome video packages hyping his debut.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 08:38 AM
Haven't seen the show yet as it's on tonight in the UK, but just in case we haven't spoken about cole enough already...
Styles said he "lives in the WWE bubble." Thats perfectly acceptable to me, and his apparent attitude fits his character perfectly: he came from
nowhere (wrestling wise) straight into WWE, and has worked his way from 'the bottom' up to being lead play by play guy on the flagship
show. He's probably also become a millionaire doing it. Yet he is still compared unfavourably to guys like JR, who is judged partially on
outside WWE experience. Cole doesn't like that, which would explain his cheap shots at the slammys. Now he sees guys coming in with a reputation
for stuff accomplished outside WWE, and he feels it doesn't matter, because he's seen Indy success not transfer over, and people who never
left the WWE development places become main eventers. So in his head, it's a perfectly logical standpoint.
Makes him a jackass still, but it would be consistent. It MAY also pave the way for the return of JR, who I imagine would want to be back on Raw with
the King when he returns.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 09:55 AM
quote:It MAY also pave the way for the return of JR, who I imagine would want to be back on Raw with the King when he returns.
Oh please god, yes! I know JR has missed a beat here and there, but he's infinatly better than Cole.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 11:35 AM
I thought NXT was pretty good. More interesting than ECW, at least, but not by as much as I'd hoped.
Most of the guys still seem like the developmental generidouches that would turn up on ECW anyway, and the video packages didn't do much to make
them more interesting. I really like the dynamic between Punk and his guy, where Punk just doesn't give a shit. Regal's guy looks like an
absolute idiot meathead, he only appeared in those backstage group shots and I was cracking up every time. I can't imagine ever being interested
in Michael Tarver, David Otunga, Heath Slater or Wade Barrett, but they could surprise me. It's only been one show so far.
One of the two highlights of the show for me was Daniel Bryan. Bryan looked way smaller than I was expecting. Evan Bourne doesn't look
anywhere near that small when standing with normal-sized wrestlers. Bryan looks Mysterio-sized at best (I'd guess he's maybe a
touch taller than Rey?). But on the other side of that coin, he also showed way more personality than I was expecting. I'm digging his story
with Miz, and given the exposure it's getting, I wouldn't be too surprised if they fight for the US title or tag titles at WrestleMania. I
wasn't too impressed with the Bryan-Jericho match, but it was alright. I easily see Bryan as the standout of the group.
And the other hightlight was Michael Cole being fucking awesome. It's amazing how much better he was on NXT than he is on Raw every week. I
laughed out loud when he went absolutely nuts at Josh Matthews calling Bryan "world-renowned." I'd love it if Cole spends every episode of NXT
baiting the stereotypes, not only because it's fun to watch but it guarantees fun Wednesday-morning rants to read online from the angry mob.
It's also slyly productive in establishing a fanbase for Josh Matthews, since he is the guy arguing against Cole. So in theory, the hardcore
wrestling fanbase starts supporting Matthews. "Fuck yeah, you tell 'im, Josh! High school gym wrestling in front of 50 people is
important!" and so on.
Good stuff.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 11:58 AM
quote:
Someone suggested in this thread that they felt WWE was trying to subtly bury Daniel Bryan. Seriously? Seriously? He gets the opening segment AND the
main event on the debut episode of the new show WWE is hyping the hell out of and they're trying to bury him? The crowd was reacting to him when
he was cutting up The Miz and when he almost made Chris Jericho tap and people can read into that burying him? Oh, and Otunga is clearly the better
guy because he came off well in a video package edited by one of the best production teams in the planet. It's clear some people forgotten about
how far Sean O'Haire got after his awesome video packages hyping his debut.
That was me. It seemed counter productive at the time I posted that to have him be stubborn about changing, while everyone says how his style
won't work. I see where they're going with it now, though. And I agree about Otung,a he was pretty bad in FCW and thats probably why they
gave him a 30 second squash where his one big move was fucked up. One thing about O'Haire was that he was in WWE as well as WCW before those
awesome video packages and they never even put him on live TV for some reason save a PPV match vs Rikishi, his rumored bad live promo was at a house
show.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 03:06 PM
I'm hoping that they start demoting people to NXT. Otherwise, Swagger and some other talents are going to be future endeavored.
Then again, Swagger on TNA with Angle, Wolfe etc would be pretty awesome.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 03:13 PM
I caught some of this online, and it seems like they're making an honest-to-God effort to make Danielson the next CM Punk. Though I
couldn't tell through the crowd reactions how he was actually received, everything I've read and seen so far makes NXT look like
it's the "Daniel Bryan Show". I'm not saying they'll make him world champ anytime soon (they probably will, not in the next two
years, but sooner rather than later), but giving a guy basically a quarter of a show that is basically a vehicle for himself is pretty good.
I kinda feel bad for the other guys, though, because they may wind up being afterthoughts. Also, if this is elimination based, I totally expect
Danielson to not win based on Miz-assisted tomfoolery.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 03:33 PM
I got around to watching last night. For the most part, I liked it - even if it wasn't all top-notch wrestling and seemed a little disjointed
in places. Everything I'd say has already been mentioned, so I won't beat a dead horse.
However, I'm going to guess that each week will "feature" one of the rookies, while including many (if not all) of the others. This week, it
was Bryan - next week, I don't know. Maybe Barrett? Just a thought.
I will definitely keep it on the DVR schedule unless it just flat out starts sucking or something. I don't know - I know we're not rating
these things (yet), but I think somewhere between 2.5-3.0 would be in order, as I liked it, even with a few glaring flaws.
Stay wet, my friends.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 03:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by nOOb
I caught some of this online, and it seems like they're making an honest-to-God effort to make Danielson the next CM Punk. Though I
couldn't tell through the crowd reactions how he was actually received, everything I've read and seen so far makes NXT look like
it's the "Daniel Bryan Show". I'm not saying they'll make him world champ anytime soon (they probably will, not in the next two
years, but sooner rather than later), but giving a guy basically a quarter of a show that is basically a vehicle for himself is pretty good.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure we can read too much into it. Obviously they are pushing him but that doesn't mean they think he's
future world champ material.
Like said above, it might be that they highlight one guy a week. Also, there's no doubt that he's the most TV-ready guy, the only guy who
could wrestle a ME against a guy like Jericho, and the guy most likely to make a good splash on the debut show. As far as what you've read,
Danielson could have done nothing and he would have been the #1 topic on every board.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 03:47 PM
In Otunga's promo package he said he's going to "win" NXT. So will there be fan voting after week 7-8 that will begin to eliminate
wrestlers, one a week sorta deal? Or will it be kayfabed with a wrestling tournament deciding the eventual winner?
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 04:09 PM
They seemed to make it clear that there is one "winner" at the "end" of NXT, and the prize is a RAW/SD contract...
What was not made remotely clear is how any of that works. How the winner is determined, how long till the "end," any of that...
That's why I said I had such an issue with the discrete/distinct "season" concept... you can't really do fan voting in the traditional
sense, since you canNOT build weekly one-hour shows upon 2 or 3 guys at the end of the "season." You need most of the guys to hang around till the
bitter end, otherwise the show would just be monotonous.
Rolling around in my brain the past two days, the best idea I had: go three months with all eight guys, then have a fan vote. Vote 4 of the guys off
the island; halve the field. Then with the "Final Four," you expand the NXT Cast by adding "Expert Voters/Judges" (this will augment the loss of 4
rookies, and ideally would be bigger WWE stars/HoF'ers/legends who could help fill in TV time by interacting with the remaining rookies, who are
trying to impress them). Then: conduct a 3 week Round Robin, everybody gets one singles match against every other rookie.
On the fourth week, some (highly secretive) blend of Winning Percentage in the Round Robin, Expert Judges Votes, and Fan Voting will give us the One
True Winner of NXT. Whee.
Of course, just like "Tough Enough" and Diva Searches, WWE is more than within their rights to sign losers to contract, too... either that, or make
it a gimmick where losers can "re-apply" for NXT in the future, hoping to impove their game or get a better trainer or whatever.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 04:20 PM
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 04:42 PM
quote:Originally posted by OORick
They seemed to make it clear that there is one "winner" at the "end" of NXT, and the prize is a RAW/SD contract...
Of course, just like "Tough Enough" and Diva Searches, WWE is more than within their rights to sign losers to contract, too... either that, or make
it a gimmick where losers can "re-apply" for NXT in the future, hoping to impove their game or get a better trainer or whatever.Rick
I can't see 3-4 of these guys not sticking around after the season is over. So winning the contract might have to be tweaked otherwise there is
really no pay-off for the "win". Maybe win a title shot - however a rookie going after a top title is sort of ridiculous. Maybe an IC/US title
shot being the winners choice. Having Dan Bryan go after Miz' US title would be intriguing. Even then, it's just the midcard title shot
and anybody can get those. What about a MITB slot and/or a guaranteed Royal Rumble spot.
Mid-card title match at on PPV
Guaranteed Royal Rumble Spot
MITB Slot (if don't win Rumble of course), or just a guaranteed Wrestlemania match?
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 06:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by FistHiccups
And the other hightlight was Michael Cole being fucking awesome. It's amazing how much better he was on NXT than he is on Raw every week. I
laughed out loud when he went absolutely nuts at Josh Matthews calling Bryan "world-renowned." I'd love it if Cole spends every episode of NXT
baiting the stereotypes, not only because it's fun to watch but it guarantees fun Wednesday-morning rants to read online from the angry mob.
It's also slyly productive in establishing a fanbase for Josh Matthews, since he is the guy arguing against Cole. So in theory, the hardcore
wrestling fanbase starts supporting Matthews. "Fuck yeah, you tell 'im, Josh! High school gym wrestling in front of 50 people is
important!" and so on.
Listen, I know the smark-baiting is your online persona and that bringing it up with you is well-worn territory. That said, I'd like you to
elaborate on how Cole's work was entertaining and, moreover, how our complaints about Cole's work are the ramblings of an angry mob.
Basically, Lucky and I have been the most outspoken on Cole's work here, and have said that we get the idea but that the execution is severely
lacking. Again, I know you just love anyone "taking it to the fucking smarks," but explain how Cole's statements evincing willful ignorance
of Danielson's career is anything but stupid on both a kayfabe and real level.
Also, Lucky brought up the example of how to do this well by noting Lawler's anti-ECW work. Rather than claim that he hadn't seen ECW,
Lawler exaggerated elements of ECW that he thought were beneath WWE's level. Cole just claims he isn't even aware of who Danielson is,
much less what work he's done.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 06:38 PM
I didn�t watch the whole show, but from what I saw the WWE did Dan Bryan a HUGE favor pairing him with The Miz. I had my doubts whether Bryan would
have what it takes to get over in the E, but for the time being I�m cautiously optimistic.*
*Although with the way he tapped so quick, maybe someone should have told him he wasn't wrestling Cena.
Narrator: Tobias listens to a day's worth of his own words, to see what Michael was referring to...
Tobias F�nke: [on tape] ... even if it means me taking a chubby, I will suck it up.
Tobias F�nke: Nothing wrong with that.
Tobias F�nke: [on tape] Oh, I've been in the film business for a while, but I just can't seem to get one in the can.
Tobias F�nke: It's out of context.
Tobias F�nke: [on tape] I wouldn't mind kissing that man between the cheeks.
Narrator: ...and he realized there is something distinct about the way he speaks.
Tobias F�nke: Tobias, you blowhard.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 06:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by Columbo
*Although with the way he tapped so quick, maybe someone should have told him he wasn't wrestling Cena.
WWE must have read the Against All Odds thread and decided to make the Walls of Jericho look like a real finisher again.
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posted on 2-25-2010 at 09:32 PM
This is the way I see it:
-Bryan makes it to like one of the last four or five guys.
-Through some sort of screwjob, Miz winds up costing Bryan the show, eliminating him and upsetting the internet at the fact that he didn't
win.
-Maybe a few weeks later or a month later, Miz defends a title, Bryan comes out of crowd, costs Miz title, and gets dragged away by security.
-Miz agrees to match with Bryan where, if he wins, he gets a contract. Match happens, Bryan wins, gets contract, and is used according to however
Vince feels.
Or Bryan loses the contest, winds up showing up on Superstars, and proceeds to become the jobber to the stars most of the internet expects him to be.
But regardless, he probably doesn't win the show.
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posted on 2-26-2010 at 03:16 AM
quote:Originally posted by FistHiccups
Bryan looked way smaller than I was expecting. Evan Bourne doesn't look anywhere near that small when standing with normal-sized
wrestlers. Bryan looks Mysterio-sized at best (I'd guess he's maybe a touch taller than Rey?).
He is definitely small. But just to kind of dispel any sort of myth that he is Mysterio small, here ya go (until Youtube removes everything):
Jericho vs. Bryan
Jericho vs. Mysterio (with gay music)
And just for shits and giggles, Danielson vs. Cena (with bananapants)
Danielson isn't much smaller than Jericho who is, you know, the champ and stuff. In fact, the difference in size between the two is less than
the difference between Jericho and his rookie. The whole size thing gets blown out of proportion in my opinion. If we can manage to accept a guy
like Show losing to Cena (repeatedly), why is so hard to believe a guy the size of Danielson could ever beat Cena?
And who says Danielson doesn't have personality?
"I guess my heaviest experience is gravity...keeps my feet down...it's like weighing me down...I can't get my arms up now...like my legs
fall...I'm falling down and I can't...it's making me heavier...I'm heavier...I can't move...Now I'm a dead dog in
water...I can't...I'm floating but I sink to the water...I'm a wet sandwich...wet with meat...I'm broken salami...tiny
mustaches are heavy...I'm falling...."
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posted on 2-26-2010 at 03:49 AM
He's a little shorter than Paul London and can't do the flippy shit that smaller wrestlers usually need...
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posted on 2-26-2010 at 09:37 AM
Isn't this going to be a kind of ultimate fighter situation, where the winner just gets a better contract than the rest?
Danielson wins, and gets a �250,000 a year contract, and a guaranteed title shot on the cycle 2 finale (against the guy of his choice). He
doesn't HAVE to go for a world title.
Others who impress and are deemed ready get signed up to less lucrative deals (Hi, Josh Koscheck!) and start lower on the card.
simples.
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posted on 2-26-2010 at 10:29 AM
Here is something I don't get with this concept of a show. To have the show have any merit WWE has to get rid of some of these guys...giving
them this type of of air time seems to me helps them get over in any future rosters they happen to be on ...with WWE or not. Its kinda a weird
business choice unless the plan is to let the ones they don't want rot in FCW till such time as they aren't relevant.
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posted on 2-26-2010 at 01:31 PM
wow, you barely notice the size difference in that Cena match, although Cena seems considerably smaller than he is now. STill, around 3:18 Danielson
catches Cena with a brutal kick to the "gut" that could take out anyone.
Yeah, the losers will probably just get Haased in FCW forever.
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posted on 2-26-2010 at 01:32 PM
How would that be any different from cutting Charlie Haas now? They've had a small amount of exposure, and they're still green in most
cases. The guys that get cut will go back to FCW, or sit out a no-compete clause. Then they'll work indies or ring of honour, because I
can't see TNA picking any of them up.
Pretty sure WWE don't care about firing guys they've given exposure too the moment vince falls out of favour with them. See 3 minute
warning, kennedy, kendrick etc.
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posted on 2-26-2010 at 03:03 PM
Just watched the show on Hulu and I'm with the people that thought the show did a great job with Bryan. He was decent on the mic (though he did
slip up a few times) and looked good in the Jericho match. That smirk he has makes me think he could be a decent heel some day but he obviously has
to be a face right now. Having a submission finisher is not a good thing in current wwe, but that is easily fixable.
Both Bryan and Jericho did blow a few spots in the match. Obviously they should of adjusted to the suicide dive better, but also Bryan sold
Jericho's enziguri weird and same for Jericho with Bryan's dragon screw leg whip.
Overall I was pretty happy with NXT and will watch again next week.
Edit: I'm surprised they didn't mention Bryan being part of HBK's school. Then again they never did that for any of the other
graduates either. It just seemed to make sense within the NXT concept
[Edited on 2-26-2010 by TownOfDalem]
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