S Kid J E T S 48
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Originally posted by LuckyLopez
Bad comedy taken out of SNL taking up a ton of time.
Swagger losing to a non-active wrestler for no good reason at all.
Lots of videos.
No confidence in the Smackdown or midcard roster being able to entertain wrestling fans.
Rave reviews and even a backhanded shot at TNA.
Yep. Pretty much what I should have expected.
Bad reviews and a shot at WWE.
Yep. Pretty much what I should have expected.
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Edit: As for me, liked the show enough. Swagger/Taker and the 6 man were good. Enjoyed the opening promo. Guest hosts weren't bad. And
really enjoyed Jericho's song.
Something like a 2.8-3.0. Some effort. Probably could have done better. No idea what kind of roster they really had to work with though.
[Edited on 4-20-2010 by S Kid J E T S 48]
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Devineman
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Originally posted by C.MontgomeryPunk
I didn't mind the show, given the circumstances of having the whole Raw roster stuck in Ireland.
You are making excuses for no reason.
Look at the people who were actually there tonight:
HHH
Punk
Rey
Jericho
Edge
Swagger
Taker
Hardy
McIntyre
Khali
Kane
Gallows
You're telling me that that abomination should be overlooked because they didn't have much talent? That doesn't include the NXT
rookies, or any random guys or divas that they could have brought in.
Put HHH vs Taker in the ME, let your World Champ go over a monster like Kane or Khali, feed Rey to Gallows with Punk assistance in preparation of
Extreme Rules, give any younger guys a 5 minute match and the classic "Enemies have to team" match with Edge/Jericho vs Hardy/Someone.
There you go, double the number of matches and they all make sense if you squint a lot. That took all of 10 seconds to think of, they had 3 days and
came up with that pile of shit.
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I'm kind of surprised this show is getting such polarizing reviews. Okay, if you don't like MacGruber, then obviously you weren't
going to like all that stuff, so no argument there. But I thought the rest of the show was really solid and all the video segments were kinda
understandable given that they had a PPV to hype and all their RAW talent were in Ireland.
I dug the opening promo, though like I think someone mentioned, it was a tad too long. Otherwise, I liked Triple H's opening stuff about the
WWE's volcano situation and it's always cool to see him and Punk in the ring for a promo. I was thinking that tonight was basically like
the draft come one week early, with all the crossover stuff going on.
McIntyre/Hardy was boring and nothing we haven't seen before on Smackdown. I wonder if the WWE is just keeping Matt employed so that he
won't go join Jeff in TNA.
I'll totally admit to liking the MacGruber/Kozlov segment. Like I said earlier, if others hated it, I certainly won't argue that point.
But I thought it was stupid fun and Truth getting blown up got a chuckle out of me.
I knew Taker was going to be on, but I was kind of surprised to see him be Swagger's opponent (as I'd figure he'd just cut a promo
or make a quick appearance). And the match was pretty damn decent. As for Taker getting the clean win, I dunno...on the one hand yes, it's
another loss for Swagger and he's now 1-2 as world champion. On the other hand, he got to look pretty strong against the Undertaker. I think if
Swagger somehow retains the title against Orton on Sunday, this is a loss that will quickly be forgotten about and won't hurt Swagger in the
long run.
I like Will Forte/MacGruber, but that "match" segment did suck. And I thought Khali was supposed to be taking time off in India and refocusing?
I thought the main event was quite good and it was kind of odd seeing face Edge and face Triple H on the same team at the same time. No surprise in
the outcome, as they obviously wanted to do a "send the crowd home happy" main event since most of the RAW roster wasn't there.
Anyhow, outside of the MacGruber stuff (and maybe the boring McIntyre/Hardy match), I don't see how this is the worst RAW ever. If anything,
guys like Punk and Jericho getting to be on made it better than usual. 3.0.
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
Bad reviews and a shot at WWE.
Yep. Pretty much what I should have expected.
To be fair, I'm one of the biggest WWE fans/apologists on these boards, and I'm very sour on TNA right now, and I hated Raw, too. Most
weeks the show is just meh and I chalk it up to the haters being haters. But tonight I don't think personal biases have as much to do with it.
It was not what it should have been. And in fairness, WWE tends to do this to us anytime we dare to raise our expectations for them.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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quote:
Originally posted by Devineman
Put HHH vs Taker in the ME, let your World Champ go over a monster like Kane or Khali, feed Rey to Gallows with Punk assistance in preparation of
Extreme Rules, give any younger guys a 5 minute match and the classic "Enemies have to team" match with Edge/Jericho vs Hardy/Someone.
There you go, double the number of matches and they all make sense if you squint a lot. That took all of 10 seconds to think of, they had 3 days and
came up with that pile of shit.
Yeah and all of those matches suck and you'd be complaining about Raw if they did go in that direction. HHH vs Undertaker offers nothing,
neither does Swagger beating Kane or Khali and it would be a bad match. Gallows vs Rey has been done recently as well and is "meh" at best as
Gallows is seen as nothing but a lacky who lost to Darren Young. Edge/Jericho vs Hardy/Someone would make some sense if that someone was McIntyre,
however the Edge/Jericho side completely outclasses the opposition. I'd rather go with Edge/hardy vs Jericho/McIntyre face vs heel match.
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Devineman
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This is the second Raw I've complained about, in my whole memory. The first was the Springer one, for the same types of reasons as this.
Taker/HHH writes itself as a "you retired my best friend" thing, and with HHH off to do his movie duties, it isn't going to hurt anyone.
Swagger over, well, anyone really would have been nice. His match was normal big man vs big man, slow paced, crap. If you're doing this, do it
against somebody that you are going to beat.
Again, I'll reiterate. My point is that that took me ten seconds to think of, and you can 'WWE logic' justify it. It's one
of a million possible directions that they could have gone in.
The thing that absolutely infuriates me, is that a group of people sat around in the WWE offices and said "Nah, we'll put on four matches in
total, and give our ME 10 minutes then spend 45 minutes on MacGruber". They actually made a choice to put that show out.
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S Kid J E T S 48
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quote:
Originally posted by Devineman
You're telling me that that abomination should be overlooked because they didn't have much talent? That doesn't include the NXT
rookies, or any random guys or divas that they could have brought in.
Put HHH vs Taker in the ME, let your World Champ go over a monster like Kane or Khali, feed Rey to Gallows with Punk assistance in preparation of
Extreme Rules, give any younger guys a 5 minute match and the classic "Enemies have to team" match with Edge/Jericho vs Hardy/Someone.
There you go, double the number of matches and they all make sense if you squint a lot. That took all of 10 seconds to think of, they had 3 days and
came up with that pile of shit.
You assume that what you put down is something that everyone would want to see?
We've seen Rey/Gallows at least 2-3 times already. HHH/Taker shouldn't be wasted randomly and on free tv. Edge/Jericho v.
Hardy/Someone...that's fun? Would be Hardy/McIntyre according to you...and we've seen the Hardy/MVP opponents as team a million times
already, so not much there, and those matches generally do not have great endings and aren't great matches in general. And Swagger over Kane or
Khali? Great...he would get a win over guys that lose to everyone now.
Who knows how many times we see Taker over the next 6 months? Seeing Swagger go toe to toe with him definitely makes him look good. It was a long
match, and he lost, yes, but he is losing to the Undertaker...who just RETIRED HBK! He wasn't going to lose that match, but Swagger took it to
him for 15 minutes. As long as Swagger wins Sunday...this a nice step up tonight.
6 man was something different, got a bunch of guys that everyone likes together, gave us a nice match, and gave a main event spot to SES. Punk got to
talk for a long time and stand up to HHH for 15 minutes.
Yes, there wasn't a match with two young guys on the card, but who exactly was there? Did we really need to see NXT guys when their show
tomorrow will be matches with them anyway?
The one thing I would have liked the show to have done was have Miz or the Harts and allow them to comment on what was supposed to happen tonight. If
they do that on Smackdown though, I won't be mad.
And Chris...
Wasn't so much as saying no one could think it was bad, but just the condescending tone of that whole post. He "knew" it would be a crappy
show. He "knew" people would like it. Just sounded like everyone should share his higher opinion or something, even if I know he probably
didn't mean it that way. Some people with a negative TNA feeling would be murdered if we posted something like that on the other board.
That's why I made the joke.
And it's not like I'm just going after him...I defended him when he replied to desjr earlier today when I thought he was being completely
fair about a TNA-pointed thought that was wrong. Just didn't really appreciate that comment. I know I annoy the shit out of Lucky sometimes,
so I know these comments happen. We make a counter joke...and we move on.
I actually thought the RVD hotshot was pretty exciting tonight. So I might wind up agreeing with TNA being better tonight. Who knows. Gotta see the
replay Thursday. Completely separate issue though.
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gobbledygooker
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My expectations were raised and met. I'm really surprised at all the negativity. I thought it was a great show. Maybe I'm just being
overly nice since the guest host was actually entertaining.
Also, I didn't get Divineman's comment about him watching Raw for wrestling and storylines and not lame comedy. Did you not watch Cheech
and Chong hallucinate off of Lucky Charms? Or the Baywatch match? Or the Jerry Springer stupidness? Or DX's visit to Hornswoggle's midget
world? And so on and so on? Raw THRIVES on lame comedy.
EDIT - Just read his last post and saw that he did indeed see the Springer stupidness. So I guess there's that.
[Edited on 4-20-2010 by gobbledygooker]
Originally posted by punkerhardcore -
"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's
new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just
doesn't look quite so fun anymore."
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S Kid J E T S 48
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quote:
Originally posted by gobbledygooker
My expectations were raised and met. I'm really surprised at all the negativity. I thought it was a great show. Maybe I'm just being
overly nice since the guest host was actually entertaining.
Also, I didn't get Divineman's comment about him watching Raw for wrestling and storylines and not lame comedy. Did you not watch Cheech
and Chong hallucinate off of Lucky Charms? Or the Baywatch match? Or the Jerry Springer stupidness? Or DX's visit to Hornswoggle's midget
world? And so on and so on? Raw THRIVES on lame comedy.
Ha. If I turned on 24 hoping for a great love story, I'd be disappointed.
If I turned on Raw hoping for tons of wrestling and a lack of lame comedy...I'd be disappointed too.
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Given some of the match combos some would have liked to see tonight, one might also keep in mind that the Smackdown crew may have those matches on
their own show IF the RAW crew doesn't make it back in time to take over the tapings on Tuesday.
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nobledictator
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I actually was okay with Raw tonight. I for one enjoyed Taker vs Swagger. Rest of show was all throw away.
Nothing great, nothing horrific. The guest host was at least game this week, lillian was back, and Jericho was gold.
2.3 probably would be it.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
Bad comedy taken out of SNL taking up a ton of time.
Swagger losing to a non-active wrestler for no good reason at all.
Lots of videos.
No confidence in the Smackdown or midcard roster being able to entertain wrestling fans.
Rave reviews and even a backhanded shot at TNA.
Yep. Pretty much what I should have expected.
[Edited on 4-20-2010 by LuckyLopez]
Bad comedy from a movie that has six wwe wrestlers in it. Wwe has a vested interest in seeing it do well. surely if the raw had a full roster there
wouldn't have been as much pimping.
Undertaker being called a non-active wrestler is a epic stretch. Undertaker main-evented Wrestlemania not a month ago. Having a very competitive 15+
minute match with the Undertaker and jobbing clean is 100x better rub than beating Kane.
Smackdown has their own show to produce. What midcard wrestlers did you want to see that is not stuck in Europe?
I didn't give "rave reviews" to anything other than the Undertaker vs Swagger match, and I think that match deserves it.
Back-handed shot nothing at TNA, I'll hit them right between the eyes - I watched three bits of TNA and it was crap. I'll take the
opening promo of Raw over the opening promo of TNA - HHHH and Punk are two of the better promo guys in the business whereas AJ, Hardy and RVD are not.
Then I see Rob Terry of all people making the save and botching three spots in the 30 seconds he's throwing out offense. Putting the title on
RVD in the ME of a television show that might pop a 1.0 rating with no build is classic hotshotting. Swagger vs Undertaker was the much better match.
RVD celebrating his epic win in front of 1800 house fans - no matter how much cutting to the crowd isn't disguising that fact. And RVD's
haircut is even more ridiculous, if that was possible.
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LuckyLopez
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If I was a prick in my previous posts, fair enough. My apologies. I thought it was a terrible RAW. I thought it was a terrible show. Its comedy
failed to amuse me, its wrestling failed to satisfy me, its storytelling failed to intrigue me. A weak world champion picked up another needless and
pointless loss for absolutely no reason. Instead of relying on a full available roster of wrestlers from Smackdown they put the bulk of the weight on
the show on an SNL host and HHH.
A week ago I decided to not watch RAW this week because the MacGruber stuff combined with the basic tone of RAW promised a show I woul dhate. Then
sometime in the last 72 hours I changed my mind. The unexpected circumstances WWE met backed them into a corner, and posed with the reality that
they'd have to scramble and do something DIFFERENT than the usual (which I hate) I decided to watch, even knowing that the MacGruber stuff was
bound to annoy me 100x as much as every SNL segment I had ever seen did while friends or family sat there laughing.
See, because despite what trolls like Skids think I don't think less of people who have a different opinion that me, especially not about
totally subjective and meaningless things. And I think you'll find that most of the time I don't come into the RAW thread and say "That
sucked." I might come in when something major happens. I might come in when I feel I can add something to the conversation. Some days I might
really hate RAW and say something, and amazingly some days I like someone on RAW or say something. But to the best of my memory most of the times I
do trash WWE is when they interest me and then disappoint me. The rest of the time? I'm probably not saying anything because I either
didn't watch or just didn't like it like I usually don't. Which is why I wasn't walking around shitting on WM or something.
So "What I should have expected" was exactly that. What I should have expected. I was upset at myself for wasting my time by holding the
foolish hope that WWE would respond to some hardship with wrestling. That if WWE made the point to get the SD roster back that they'd use the
SD roster, not 4 maineventers and that's it. This was obviously a stupid and foolish opinion on my part. I was a bit perturbed. And yeah, I
guess I was more than a little agitated that someone decided to take a needless shot at TNA after an Impact I thought was one of the better
RAW/Impact/SD's I've watched in a long time because there's always this pathetic and petty "war" and the retarded logic that "if
X wasn't as bad as Y than it was good."
But in the end the message RAW sent tonight was "Our fans rather watch SNL mixed with video packages and empty matches than any kind of traditional
wrestling program." And OO seems to be confirming this true. And that's fine. The truth is we're way too deep into the Guest Host Era
for me to sensibly bitch about it without it being on me. RAW wants to be SNL. People like this. I should grow up and move on. Most weeks I do.
This week I tricked myself into thinking otherwise and it bit me in the ass. So I was annoyed and I posted.
EDIT: Took out mean stuff.
[Edited on 4-20-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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OORick
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I'm kinda caught-off-guard by these polarized reviews, too... damn, I know my "gimmick" back in the CBS SportsLine days was that I was Mr.
Middle of the Road, but how do you work up that much venom (or that much praise) for THAT show?
It was way different from a normal RAW, but it was still a tried-and-true WWE Sports Entertainment Show. By now, you know what that entails, and if
you aren't capable of being amused by it, you should have walked away.
You got some nice HHH/Punk interaction (and some nice HHH-off-the-cuff comments) to start the show.... you got some unexpectedly sweet Swagger/Taker
action (seriously: Taker thought he was on VACATION, and he came back to do THAT match? dude has balls of steel, and may rest at home till August if
it do him well; and fuck any wanker who complains about Swagger jobbing, too; one's the SD champ, the other is THE FUCKING UNDERTAKER; this is
light-years different from the discusson about Swagger being sacrificed to Orton the past few weeks)... you got a solid-if-short-ish main event which
was as close to a perfect-usage-of-available-talent as I could come up with for a main event....
Even the MacGruber shit wasn't all bad; I kinda hated the "exploding R-Truth" part, but I know that fits in with the SNL skit's alleged
"punchline," but the on-going in-character nonsense was kinda funny; Will Forte isn't as self-punchingly-annoying as Samberg, and Kristen Wiig
is a poor man's Tina Fey, but they still milked some fun out their bits with Jericho and Kozlov, I thought...
If I had a real complaint: they didn't really address the Hart Dynasty/ShowMiz stuff, which they COULD have done via satellite (and c'mon,
the satellite stuff they DID do was garbage)... but maybe they're hoping for the gods of volcanic ash to smile upon them and Miz and Bret can be
stateside by tomorrow night's tapings?
I dunno, but I guess I'll give 'em a pass on that. If only because of one thing: Lilian Gar-f'n-cia.
Here's how I know I've lost all "cred" with my original 15-years-ago audience: when they paid for Lilian to come in and fill the void
because Announcer Boy was stuck in Belfast, I cheered, while everybody who was once with me in 1995 when I started this thing was probably wondering
"Uhhhh, where's Howard Finkel?"...
Simple answer, morons: the Fink would not have looked that good in that dress. Thanks, Lilian. You rock, honey....
Rick
PS: HHH went out of his way to mention Lilian. He accused her of showing up to "horse around." Does that mean Jeb is actually HHH, what with the
long-standing tradition of butterface/she-looks-like-a-horse comments that have plagued poor Lilian around here?
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Hey Rick, for some more Lillian, see the latest in the Divas forum 
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
But in the end the message RAW sent tonight was "Our fans rather watch SNL mixed with video packages and empty matches than any kind of traditional
wrestling program." And OO seems to be confirming this true. And that's fine. The truth is we're way too deep into the Guest Host Era
for me to sensibly bitch about it without it being on me. RAW wants to be SNL. People like this. I should grow up and move on. Most weeks I do.
This week I tricked myself into thinking otherwise and it bit me in the ass. So I was annoyed and I posted.
From your keyboard to God's ears, buddy.
I really hope the rumors are true that this shit ends whenever Rock finally synchs up his schedule with theirs and gets in to do this. Then again,
without the MacGruber stuff tonight, who knows what might have happened because apparently creativity on short notice isn't WWE's strong
suit. Or maybe it is, because I guess Lucky and I are in a pretty small minority of people who thought this show was actively terrible. I don't
know anymore.
But hey, at least next week is the draft, right guys?
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LuckyLopez
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quote:
Originally posted by OORick
You got some nice HHH/Punk interaction (and some nice HHH-off-the-cuff comments) to start the show.... you got some unexpectedly sweet Swagger/Taker
action (seriously: Taker thought he was on VACATION, and he came back to do THAT match? dude has balls of steel, and may rest at home till August if
it do him well; and fuck any wanker who complains about Swagger jobbing, too; one's the SD champ, the other is THE FUCKING UNDERTAKER; this is
light-years different from the discusson about Swagger being sacrificed to Orton the past few weeks)... you got a solid-if-short-ish main event which
was as close to a perfect-usage-of-available-talent as I could come up with for a main event....
For what's it worth, my complaint about Taker/Swagger isn't in Swagger losing. When Orton beat Swagger I said "that made no sense...
unless Orton gets traded to SD and is the #1 contender." And sure enough, he's for some reason the #1 contender for the SD belt. IMO, not the
right way to set up the match since Swagger should be built up but not a completely illogical bit of booking. Its one thing to not agree with a
booking plan, another to not understand why it was happening at all.
Swagger/Taker just felt like a "why did it have to happen?" thing to me. If WWE felt the need to bring Taker into make up for the absent RAW
roster, fine. I disagree with that decision because I stupidly think SD is a perfectly capable show to fill 2 hours, but at least I get the logic.
Why does he have to fight the weak World Champion? Why can't he fight Jericho or Punk or Edge or HHH? Or Gallows or McIntyre or Kane or Hardy
or whoever? I get that Taker vs World Champ is a relative big deal but its counter productive towards making Swagger seem worthwhile. Swagger
shouldn't beat Undertaker in a random Monday night match. I absolutely agree. But I see no reason why Swagger should be losing to Taker in a
random Monday night match either. As best as I can tell it was a match that put emphasis on sending people home happy on one night over building a
world champion and potential future star.
The rest of your post was basically the same thing I think I was saying in my post at the same time. This is what RAW is. I should grow up and give
up already. And for the most part I think I have. This week I just tricked myself and it bit me in the ass. But that's my fault, not
RAW's or OO's.
If RAW was the opening promo and main event I probably would have been no less than "meh" on it. It was all that stuff in between that I thought
either sucked, a pointless waste of time, or was counter productive booking that made me dislike it.
The one thing I really liked on RAW was Lawler flat out calling Sheamus what I've seen him as for months. A coward.
EDIT: Shit, CiG, you're right. Next week is the Draft. Which means I'll give a shit about RAW for 2 weeks in a row because it has a
greater impact and if it sucks I'll bitch again and look like a total tool. Crap.
[Edited on 4-20-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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fuck any wanker who complains about Swagger jobbing, too; one's the SD champ, the other is THE FUCKING UNDERTAKER; this is light-years
different from the discusson about Swagger being sacrificed to Orton the past few weeks
In general, I agree. I don't think Swagger
should be beating the Undertaker.
My problem is more with the fact that he's suddenly given the world title after not having won a singles match over anyone higher on the food
chain than Santino Marella and Evan Bourne in what seemed like forever, and his reign (even before tonight) is quickly going the route of
Sheamus's and Punk's first, where he wins the title in a cheap/fluky way, he'll win his title defenses by cheap, fluky means, and
consistently be beaten in non-title matches by anyone who's even remotely a main eventer.
My problem isn't with Undertaker beating Swagger, it's with the match happening at all this early in Swagger's reign. He needs to
actually be beating people, preferably people at the main event, or at least in the upper midcard to get established (yes, even if it's Kane).
THEN you can do the "he didn't beat Undertaker, but at least he was competitive" bit.
But I guess this is one where the ends will justify the means. I think the PPV match will be very telling. If Swagger beats Randy cleanly on Sunday,
then at least this was all building to something and they can go from there. If Swagger loses, then they might as well just release him. If he wins
by, let's say, Cody Rhodes showing up and whacking Orton with a chair right after Orton hits an RKO, then we might as well start calling him Rey
Mysterio as it pertains to his title reign.
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Wow, I can't remember the last time the Rick and I were on the same page. This was the first time in months that I sat through an entire episode
of Raw and enjoyed it. The various host segments actually even won me over to the point where I'm vaguely half-considering the MacGruber movie
after having never enjoyed anything I'd seen of the schtick before. I thought Taker/Swagger did a good job of building Swagger's
credibility -- more than any number of wins against Orton could do, because he didn't just have a good match against the Undertaker, he made
Taker wrestle his style of match.
I watched Impact live, and caught the midnight replay of Raw here in Canada, and I have to say this was the best Monday night in a dog's age
from my perspective.
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wings76fan
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| posted on 4-20-2010 at 02:09 PM |
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I thought it was a pretty good episode all around. R-Truth exploding and Jericho's idea for the sequel had me laughing out loud. But even the
matches were good:
McIntyre / Hardy: While it may have been a throwaway, it looked like pretty stiff.
Decent Punk promo at the beginning with HHH (and yes, he was milking it but that's ok given the circumstances).
Great main event that didn't have a cheap ending like we usually get.
And as for Taker / Swagger, I'll say that Swagger earned a lot of respect for me by wrestling a good match. I can't help but wonder if
these first title runs (CM Punk's, Sheamus, and now Swagger) are a chance for the new champ to see how well he mixes with the established stars
for future title runs. Swagger looked pretty fluid with UT and I hope this bodes well for him long term. I still see him jobbing to Orton, but this
match did him well.
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Frank Lloyd Wright
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| posted on 4-20-2010 at 03:37 PM |
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I thought that they made chicken salad out of chicken you know what. The wrestling content wasn't the best we've seen, by far, but it was
serviceable. Specifically, the Swagger/Taker match and the six man ME.
Punk, Jericho and HHH owned every segment they were in. Nothing they did or said made me roll my eyes. The satellite segments with Cena, Sheamus and
Orton were nicely placed. If there was anyone who should have felt short changed here, it would be the paying audience that was in attendance. Being
promised one thing and seeing something else.
Final Score: 2.9
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Gobshite
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| posted on 4-20-2010 at 03:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Frank Lloyd Wright
If there was anyone who should have felt short changed here, it would be the paying audience that was in attendance. Being promised one thing and
seeing something else.
I wouldn't feel too sorry for them, they were apparently told if they brought their tickets back to the arena they'd be refunded, so what
they did see, they saw for free.
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Stu
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| posted on 4-20-2010 at 04:03 PM |
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3.4 For me. The wrestling was fairly solid, and I thought Swagger came off well against Taker despite losing. HHH's opening stuff was
pretty enjoyable. I actually enjoyed most of the Macgruber stuff, despite never seeing the character before. CM Punk wearing a towel on his head
during his backstage segment with Jericho was gold.
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punkerhardcore
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| posted on 4-20-2010 at 04:18 PM |
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Man... I must have a different sense of humor than most of you guys. I thought that MacGruber stuff was garbage. It took a movie I had zero interest
in seeing, and actually drove my interest level into negative numbers. If Kozlov had legit murdered them both in the ring during that first promo, he
would have instantly become my favorite wrestler of all time.
The wrestling wasn't too bad. I don't really have a problem with Undertaker making an appearance since they probably felt they had to
make the crowd happy with all the Raw stars absent. I don't really see it as burying a lot of the Smackdown stars since this was an episode
based upon weird circumstances, and they have the actual Smackdown show to put on too, where they can get the stories rolling like normal.
I'd like to point out that CM Punk standing there with the towel wrapped around his head like a girl, while Jericho was talking to the SES was
fantastic. The main event was good, and probably the best they could've pieced together with what they had to work with. I'm gonna go
2.0 though, since all that SNL shit really dragged things down for me overall.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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southermagu
Rated R Superstar 
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| posted on 4-20-2010 at 04:45 PM |
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I enjoyed this show, maybe more than what TNA put on. But TNA did put on a better show. RAW get's a 3.5.
HHH is capable of putting on a good promo in his sleep and he and Punk have a nice chemistry. They're not two guys flexing muscles and yelling
at one another. I like the way their segment seemed very natural and I look for Punk and the SES to be drafted to RAW and eventually feud with HHH.
Cutting out Drew's entrance was a travesty but for some reason makes me think he too will be going to RAW. The match with Hardy was short but I
actually like Hardy's style. He pretty much always goes in for the kill early and it made McIntyre look good getting the win the way he
did.
Swagger looked great in the ring with Taker. I don't mind him losing that one, if he wins against Orton.
The main event was entertaining and once again I liked the chemistry between the faces. It was the first time in long time that Rey looked like he
belonged with the main eventers.
I didn't mind the Macgruber stuff and I found some of it pretty funny. R-Truth getting blown up was over the top, but why not?
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