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Author: Subject: OOfficial Ratings/Discussion Thread for: WWE RAW (April 19, 2010)
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posted on 4-20-2010 at 05:15 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Was it just me who felt slightly uncomfortable when Triple H said "Even Lillian is here just horsing around" and started making horse sounds? Or was I the only one who interpreted it as him making fun of her looks? I wasn't sure it that was obvious or not.


[Edited on 4-20-2010 by DriftThroughTime]

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posted on 4-20-2010 at 05:36 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
At least I can comfortably say I should never be posting in a Raw thread again. The fact that people are defending this abortion just tells me I will never agree with the majority of posters on this board. That wasn't a competitive match for Swagger, that was the WWE flat-out telling the world he'll never be a true main eventer.
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posted on 4-20-2010 at 05:45 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
For anyone who thought that Raw sucked and was a total abortion and should never have been placed in front of our eyes, I'll give you the advice I used to get when I'd bitch about Raw -

Go watch ROH.

I still say that was the most entertained I've been by Raw since before Wrestlemania. I'm not sure what that says about me. Other than that I think Swagger sucks and shouldn't be champion.





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What does watching ROH have to do with watching Raw? They aren't on at the same time, they aren't in competition and one can enjoy one and still be thoroughly disappointed by Raw. But this is going to get into the "why are you even watching debate?" which is utterly pointless.
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posted on 4-20-2010 at 05:53 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I agree about not turning this into a "why are you watching?" debate.

I'm just saying that a large amount of the pissed-offedness for this episode seems to be focused on the MacGruber stuff but I don't think it was any different from the shittiness of numerous other guest hosts who have monopolized a large portion of the show. Except in this case, in my personal opinion, this guest host was actually entertaining. And yes, maybe they had to rearrange some stuff and give MacGruber more time than they planned on due to the scrambling nature of the show. Who knows.

Regardless, I mentioned ROH because a lot of people are pissed about the time MacGruber got and MacGruber will never be on ROH. So ROH is an alternative to watch wrestling untainted by MacGruber-ness. Or any other lame comedy skits.

EDIT- Back to the actual show, there was one part of the show that really did piss me off. When Michael Cole actually called Undertaker "The best pure striker" in the history of the WWE. Normally Cole doesn't bother me but that comment is so retarded and baseless I don't even really know where to begin. I wish they'd stop trying to get Taker over as some kind of MMA boxing master. Hell, for his first 7-8 years in WWF, he didn't even punch, he did those underhand throat thrusts (which I always thought looked way cooler than regular punches anyway). Still, how does that make him the best striker in the history of the business? Ugh...

[Edited on 4-20-2010 by gobbledygooker]





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"Seriously, Rock Band > Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero is like the cute girl who makes out with you for the first time, which is awesome because it's new and exciting. Then Rock Band comes along and is like the chick who blows you your junior year of high school... and then that first girl just doesn't look quite so fun anymore."

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posted on 4-20-2010 at 06:46 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Decent show. Definitely not something you'd want to set up a PPV...but then again there's at least an excuse to that one (not saying they would have delivered but for the volcano...).

They are offering refunds on last night's show.
wwe.com linky

Looks like pure arbitrage opportunity....see the show...and get a refund. Love to see stats on how many tickets got refunded esp since they were saying it was a sold out arena.





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I'm just saying that a large amount of the pissed-offedness for this episode seems to be focused on the MacGruber stuff but I don't think it was any different from the shittiness of numerous other guest hosts who have monopolized a large portion of the show.

Ok, I just want to address this. How was this not different than the normal bit of Guest Host stuff? Normally the Guest Hosts at least live in the WWE universe. They might have a couple of unfunny skits of fuddle through some lines... sometimes they pick a fight and step in the ring... and that all sucks or doesn't depending on your opinion. But this was part of the minority of stuff that just tossed away the rules and any sense of logic for the purpose of a joke. This was Little People's Court and Carlito running through a wall. Unless R-Truth is now dead in story this was the same fantasy stuff WWE is happy to slip into when it suits their purpose but then expects us to play it serious and "real" when they deem it necessary like Taker/HBK or HHH/Orton.

And this isn't HUGELY new. The Midget Court... the Looney Tunes crap... Countless "gay spooky" Taker skits... The Cena/JBL first person camera. But it is different from the norm. So whether you enjoy/accept this stuff or not I think its kind of obvious why THIS stands out a bit from the usual deal where a gust host at least doesn't rewrite the laws of physics or engage in nonsense fantasy skits.

Again, if that amuses you? Hey, everyone has their own taste in humor. But I don't understand why people don't get why this one was a worse than the average guest host thing. Like I said, I KNEW this would happen last week when they set up the Kozlov/MacGruber thing, that they'd go over the top and into a full SNL skit with this. And like I said, a lot of this is my fault for even watching. But this WAS a relatively unique situation.





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Was it just me who felt slightly uncomfortable when Triple H said "Even Liilian is here just horsing around" and started making horse sounds? Or was I the only one who interpreted it as him making fun of her looks? I wasn't sure it that was obvious or not.
[Edited on 4-20-2010 by DriftThroughTime]


I thought this as well. Seemed mean-spirited and completely out of place. I figured it must be some inside reference I was missing or something.





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posted on 4-20-2010 at 08:05 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Who knows, maybe she takes the piss out of his nose and it's all good-humoured banter. All we see is what's on the TV.

Love the concept of Khaluber, and the theme tune was hilarious. "He's hard to understand because he doesn't speak English - KHALUBER!" but the "match" was woeful and wasn't Khali supposed to have fucked off to India to refocus?

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I don't know, just my opinion but I believe this Sex in the City star resembles "THE EQUINE" more than Lilian does. I dare someone to challange me on this!







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So basically we got "aborted fetuses" that we have to sell as jumbo shrimp to an asian cafe. (fuck you south park never again). I've come to the early conclusion that this review will be as terrible and last minute as Raw was but lets give it the old college try.

Triple H comes out and basically just explains in a nutshell that this will be a house show more or less. In comes Christ alMighty Punk comes in and explains its fine that most of the Raw superstars are in Europe...for he's in Jersey. CM Punk does his usual banter of getting heat and the crowd riled up, so far so good. Then Triple H goes on a rant (or stretch) and explains in America we can do what we pleased.


WARNING: THE WWE UNIVERSE BELIEVES IN THE UNIVERSAL TRUTHS OF FREEDOM EXCEPT BUT NOT LIMITED TO

Swears or foul language
Adult Humor
Blood
Chris Benoit
Nudity (unless your Hornswoggle)
Wrestling organizations in Florida outside FCW
Racial equality
Continuity outside of 3 months
The IWC
Script and storyline credentials
The internet altogether
Steroids (unless your main eventing)
the belief that someones stomach is attached to ones scrotum
Good wrestling
decent wrestling
Inside jokes past 1994
and so on...

Anyway, Rey Mysterio comes in and does to Punk what every cholos do to hair. Shave it. Punk leaves, booyaka booyaka blah blah blah.

Next, Drew McIntyre and Fatt Hardy have the first of many filler matches. Short, pointless, and most importantly, dead with the audience. There seems to be a trend with wrestlers calling themselves chosen ones and getting bad ratings (ooooh Jarret burn)

Backstage, Punk goes from christian fridays to mooley monday with a towel on his head saying "I dont wanna talk about it" to all questions. Acting like he just found out Serena had a penis in the shower. NOTE: I'd still nail Serena. Anyway he still gets to wrestle, yippe.

Jacky Boy comes out and explains that he will job on free tv but never at a PPV. Gong!
Undertaker comes in, you know the drill.
Decent outing, always nice to see Mean Mark work while he still can. However, this match wasnt necessary in the sense that Thwagger keeps getting burried on Raw, but WWE is scraping the barrel for wrestlers more than the Guitar Hero series has been for bands latley. SNAP NERD HUMORZ!

The MacGruber skit was 50/50. Although i thought the guest hosts did a well scripted job of doing live comedy (looking at you Samberg) some things were so weird i thought i was watching Tim and Eric Awesome Show. Vagina jokes somehow work until some fat guidos in the front chant "YOU CANT SAY THAT" further proving the point of NOTHING good has ever come out of NJ, which McG later points out with the name dropping. R-Truth comes out and somehow becomes more burnt and crispier than usual (Vintage racism!!) by exploding on live tv. Thats what happens when you mix pyro and cocoa butter. Then Khali comes out, we all die a little inside and change the channel. It's okay Koslov, hopefully you can grow a beard and start giving spinning piledrivers to wrestlers and get over. And dont worry, Vince wont get the reference until you win a strap.

I'm oofically off the Cole hating bandwagon, I know he can suck the life out of any party and was pretty bad tonight, I cant hate anymore. Why you ask? The last time so much hate went to Cole we had to deal with Heidenreich...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-wsO2sjNgg

Oh sure its what every IWC fan wanted with Cole being raped, but we still had to deal with John as a wrestler months later.

Speaking of shitty storylines, Kane comes out and acknowledges the guest host crapping himself on TV. A metaphor for tonights show? Perhaps. But on with the show.

Tonight we also got alot of video packages, and they were all bad. I'm talking Smackdown your vote McCain bad...Cena looked happy to have a day off, Orton bored, and Sheamus having mad cow disease overseas with large portions of rage. Ho-hum. "Shit comes in threes with WWE." -Dr. Suess

Main event was what it was a semi-decent outting, nothing accomplished, refunds will be available to your left.

I missed some things I'm sure but it probably wasnt worth mentioning. Is it fair to give a low score? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact that so many mouth breathers exclaim on how SD has all the talent and I wasnt blown away by any of them didnt help. No one even remotely stepped up to grab the country trash that dont watch SD a chance to get over with them. Then again this was a throw away show not just in talent but there is a PPV in a few days, so who knows. Oh fuck it, I can't defend this anymore...1.5

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I can't rate the show since I only watched after TNA was over but from what I saw:

- MacGruber looks retarded and the skits I saw were as pointless as any other guest host WWE has had in the last 147 years they have been doing this

- Khaluber or whatever that was.......just........bad

- Swagger sucks as the champion, and in general. Losing to Taker did nothing to help him there.

- I like SES, Punk is fantastic, but that couldn't even save me from flipping over to The Daily Show at 11.

I am not their target audience anymore. Maybe stuff that happened in the first hour would have made the second more interesting, but I have my doubts. Though, R-Truth has never been more interesting than he was getting blown up. Sadly, he was not really blown up, so he can go back to sucking on Fridays.





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See, because despite what trolls like Skids think I don't think less of people who have a different opinion that me, especially not about totally subjective and meaningless things. And I think you'll find that most of the time I don't come into the RAW thread and say "That sucked." I might come in when something major happens. I might come in when I feel I can add something to the conversation. Some days I might really hate RAW and say something, and amazingly some days I like someone on RAW or say something. But to the best of my memory most of the times I do trash WWE is when they interest me and then disappoint me. The rest of the time? I'm probably not saying anything because I either didn't watch or just didn't like it like I usually don't. Which is why I wasn't walking around shitting on WM or something.

So "What I should have expected" was exactly that. What I should have expected. I was upset at myself for wasting my time by holding the foolish hope that WWE would respond to some hardship with wrestling. That if WWE made the point to get the SD roster back that they'd use the SD roster, not 4 maineventers and that's it. This was obviously a stupid and foolish opinion on my part. I was a bit perturbed. And yeah, I guess I was more than a little agitated that someone decided to take a needless shot at TNA after an Impact I thought was one of the better RAW/Impact/SD's I've watched in a long time because there's always this pathetic and petty "war" and the retarded logic that "if X wasn't as bad as Y than it was good."

But in the end the message RAW sent tonight was "Our fans rather watch SNL mixed with video packages and empty matches than any kind of traditional wrestling program." And OO seems to be confirming this true. And that's fine. The truth is we're way too deep into the Guest Host Era for me to sensibly bitch about it without it being on me. RAW wants to be SNL. People like this. I should grow up and move on. Most weeks I do. This week I tricked myself into thinking otherwise and it bit me in the ass. So I was annoyed and I posted.

EDIT: Took out mean stuff.




Man, I'd love to know what other mean stuff was in there. I actually went back to my post to see if I actually took a horrible shot at you accidentally in my post in case I was truely annoyed last night and was a bastard...but I think I pretty much just straightout wrote something and in the least mean way...so I really appreciate being called a troll again even though I didn't mock TNA and I didn't take something from another thread.

To talk about what you wrote a few posts ago...there's always two sides to every story. I totally understand why people would like the show, but I also understand why people wouldn't like that show. That's why I get what you're saying here. You can't really kill what people like and don't like comedically because everyones tastes are different, which is why I usually just say something like "I liked Jericho's song" or something instead of saying "I don't know why someone wouldn't like it" etc.

One problem I had was an earlier posts about how Raw could have been booked better and well...me and I think Punk didn't see it that way and we took it to task. I understand why people would want certain things a certain way, but I never think it has to be that way and everyone has to enjoy it.

I'm glad you explained yourself again. It came off far less mean I guess (at least for everyone else). We all get angry when something we like gets raked for no reason. I do it all the time with WWE, which is why I'll still never enjoy the short messages that say "I knew I never should have watched, but it always disappoints me". Or whatever. That's not pointed directly at you, but in general.


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Anywho back to the show...

A couple people have brought up the Khali coming back from his "vacation" or whatever. It was kind of spoiled for me earlier in the day (spoiled is a horrible way to put it since I didn't want him to appear ever again), when Nick Mangold of the Jets of all people commented on twitter that he saw Khali on a plane in NJ earlier in the day. I connected the dots. I guess they just called in anyone they could that could make it. Khali shouldn't be one of those people, but for the music video that came with it...I enjoyed him. Not the match at all.


To repeat something I brought up before, and Rick did as well...they HAVE TO do something with ShowMiz and the Harts at Smackdown. I have no idea if they planned on having them do a match at the PPV or not, but they need to keep the momentum going. They should have had Miz on to complain about Bret causing the volcano to erupt or something stupid like that and announce that he would have to make the announcement on the draft show or something to give the Dynasty a good moment on a big show. They have one show before the PPV to do this, they should. I hope they dont just do a flimsy way of making this match on Smackdown for the PPV. They have a good thing going with this feud, I'd hate it if plans got rushed because of this emergency.


I guess I can make a few draft predictions quickly for next week for the major players:

Raw will get Jericho, Harts, R-Truth...maybe Batista, although if he's gone, maybe they just don't remember he exists anymore, Shad, Goldust.

Smackdown gets Kofi, Rhodes, DiBiase, Bourne, Regal, Yoshi Tatsu or Zach Ryder.


P.S. I didn't agree with a thing he said, but I enjoyed every second of reading JB King's post.

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JB King's recap was great. I enjoyed it at least twice as much as the actual show he was recapping. If this kid keeps it up C Monty Punk has some competition for Breakthrough Poster of the Year on his hands.

And I don't want to mention his name lest he actually appear, but this would be an interesting week for a certain flightless bird with a mental illness to weigh in with his two cents, because morbid curiousity has me wondering what side of the "show was awesome/show was crap" debate he falls under (spoiler: whatever helps him argue with everyone)

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JB King's recap was great. I enjoyed it at least twice as much as the actual show he was recapping. If this kid keeps it up C Monty Punk has some competition for Breakthrough Poster of the Year on his hands.




Really??? I think I see him duking it out with a certain flightless bird with a mental illness for jackass of the year. I guess this Raw thread really is polarizing this week.





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Was also going to hint " Nigga Tuesday" for Punk with Darren Young in NXT, but felt it was in bad taste. Plus I dont want to quote Kevin Smith since I pointed out nothing good came from jersey. Oh well

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Ok, I just want to address this. How was this not different than the normal bit of Guest Host stuff? Normally the Guest Hosts at least live in the WWE universe.


See, to me it felt like MacGruber fit into the "WWE Universe" more than any out-of-character actor. And here's why:

The WWE universe is a ficitonal universe. When the wrestlers appear in character on other programmes, it's usually a sitcom or other fictional universe. When they appear on "real world" shows such as talk shows, it's usually out of character, or at least not fully in character.

So when an actor appears on Raw as themselves, the same person they would be on, say, The Tonight Show, it creates a sort of cognitive dissonance by treating the real and the fictional as interchangeable.

By keeping the MacGruber cast in character, they avoided this, and also kept the audience from turning on the guest hosts for being rather less entertaining than their on-screen personae (like Piven, for instance.)

That being said, I didn't like the exploding R-Truth spot because it stretched my suspension of disbelief a bit too far -- and because I seem to be the only person on the internet who likes Ron Killings' work.

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Really??? I think I see him duking it out with a certain flightless bird with a mental illness for jackass of the year. I guess this Raw thread really is polarizing this week.


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I thought we had already established Penguin has that award already won.



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The issue with keeping the MacGruber cast in character is that Jericho should have been in character then. How can MacGruber and Chris Jericho exist in the same universe when Jericho was in the MacGruber universe as an unique character?
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See, to me it felt like MacGruber fit into the "WWE Universe" more than any out-of-character actor. And here's why:

The WWE universe is a ficitonal universe. When the wrestlers appear in character on other programmes, it's usually a sitcom or other fictional universe. When they appear on "real world" shows such as talk shows, it's usually out of character, or at least not fully in character.

So when an actor appears on Raw as themselves, the same person they would be on, say, The Tonight Show, it creates a sort of cognitive dissonance by treating the real and the fictional as interchangeable.

By keeping the MacGruber cast in character, they avoided this, and also kept the audience from turning on the guest hosts for being rather less entertaining than their on-screen personae (like Piven, for instance.)

That being said, I didn't like the exploding R-Truth spot because it stretched my suspension of disbelief a bit too far -- and because I seem to be the only person on the internet who likes Ron Killings' work.

Besides the obvious flaw of "if R-Truth isn't dead then it was nonsense" then you're really just opening up a well of problems trying to think this.

As Dev said, Chris Jericho performed in the MacGruber film. For the sake of ease lets acknowledge that "Chris Jericho" is both a stage name for "Chris Irvine" which he uses when starring in films and also a character he portrays in WWE and other things. Chris Jericho, the actor/character, spoke to MacGruber, the character portrayed by Will Forte. So Will Forte doesn't exist in WWE Universe or is a totally separate entity than MacGruber. Yet Chris Jericho wasn't his MacGruber character. In fact, Chris Jericho AND MacGruber both acknowledged the film for what it is, a fictional work. So what you're saying is that MacGruber portrays MacGruber in MacGruber and Will Forte, despite being listed in the credits of the film and Saturday Night Live (which WWE.com acknowledges MacGruber as a character of) has nothing to do with this.

It makes no sense. And that's without trying to make sense of The Great Khali's role in this or what it means that Ryan Phillipe was by name "Ryan Phillipe" and not "Lt. Dixon Piper" as listed as his MacGruber character. So Chris Jericho and Ryan Phillipe and (one assumes) Great Khali are actors... but MacGruber is real and Will Forte doesn't exist?

Its just nonsense. But again, this is the same sort of nonsense that WWE turns on and off when it wants to to allow for Horneswoggle to be a magical being and DX to take trips under the ring into magical lands... but then asks us to be serious and treat them as real people when Randy Orton kicks Stephanie McMahon in the head to upset HHH, because they're married and that shit is REAL even though it wasn't the case in story.

And its a bunch of nonsense I personally want nothing to do with. And if you DO enjoy it I don't mean to insult you by calling it "nonsense" and I assure you I don't think less of you for just liking something that makes no sense to me. But it was this extreme end of fantasy that WWE works with that has NOTHING to do with "suspension of disbelief" and everything to do with WWE violating basic rules of fiction by rewriting the rules of their universe whenever it suits their need. And that's why it naturally can be seen worse than David Hasselhoff doing whatever or Jewel and her husband hosting a bull riding contest or Jeremy Piven being a douche. Because at least those were rooted in the basic reality of WWE and didn't as you to buy into things that not only made no sense but weren't even consistent with 99% of the programming like Little People's Court or R-Truth being blown up by "MacGruber".





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Shame they couldn't have Papa Shango around to cut a promo about making the volcano erupt. That would have been an instant 5.0.
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Thanks Lucky, you just devastated my ability to enjoy Hornswaggle.

You also have given me a nosebleed with all that "well grounded logic" and "understanding the basic principles of story telling".

Seriously though, I get all that but I guess I was in a giving mood with WWE this week. For me, the show held my attention and kept me entertained under very trying circumstances for all involved.

It still wasn't as good of a show as Impact was this week. The fact is WWE should have hit a huge homerun this week against TNA and didn't have the confidence in the other half of their roster to do so.

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That was cool seeing Lillian on RAW, considering where she was this week-end LOL



It was a pleasant surprise for me to hear Lillian as well; I didn't realize just how much I'd missed her. That's about the only high point of the show for me - MaGruber? Shoot me in the head now, but I just don't see the humor in it.

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