LuckyLopez
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They delivered the actual match later so I guess that justifies it, more or less. Or at least erases it. And the explanations ring reasonable
enough. I still think its kind of silly. Its a streetfight. Who cares if it starts in the ring and makes its way to the back or starts in the back?
A referee could rationalize breaking it up and not starting it as a match by the rules but he'd be kind of stupid in doing so. But the actual
match happened so that's all moot.
Instead of it being an excuse to avoid either of Sheamus or HHH jobbing and screw the fans of a match (which would be indefensible) its an excuse for
HHH to lose and still save face because he was half crippled and basically had to be murdered to get beat. Sheamus gets his win and HHH looks like
Superman. Which is no worse than "cheap".
[Edited on 4-26-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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C.MontgomeryPunk
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quote:
Originally posted by theflammablemanimal
And some masked man helped Punk win. I have no idea who it was but it would be awesome if people thought it was Darren Young only it turned out to be
Cena.
Very likely Joey Mercury. I assume he will tag with Gallows and form a regular tag team.
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OORick
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As much as you could call the way they handled HHH/Sheamus an effort to let HHH "save face," I sincerely think it served more to maximize the impact
of Sheamus' win.
Yeah, it took a lot for Sheamus to finally win, but he was not just able, but WILLING, to do it, which makes him a pretty sadistic fuck. I actually
kind of loved HHH *trying* to play Superman after the match, only to have Sheamus sprint back out to boot him in the head one last time and FORCE HHH
to leave the arena on a stretcher.
So sure, it keeps HHH from looking BAD, but it also effectively served the purpose of making Sheamus look GOOD. That's how you do it.
And it's exactly what the DIDN'T do for Swagger's win. Which was clean, via powerbomb. And which was ignored and marginalized in not
one, but TWO different ways... first, petulant bitch Orton hit a post-match RKO out of nowhere when Swagger was minding his own business, and then,
instead of at least lingering on Swagger and reminding fans that he DID still -- technically -- win the match and defend his title, we just hit
Sheamus' music and switched the focus straight onto the next match so that the boss' daughter's husband could hog the screen.
It's mind boggling that the same people could so successfully put a hard sell on one heel's win, while so successfully marginalizing and
no-selling another's.
Also, here are quick results, since nobody here has bothered:
Hart Dynasty d. ShowMiz in a 4-team non-title gauntlet match (Harts now get a title shot tomorrow on RAW)
CM Punk d. Rey (Serena is un-hot for the first time ever, due to Capri Pants)
JTG d. Shad
Swagger d. Orton
Sheamus d. HHH
Phoenix d. McCool
Edge/Jericho and Cena/Batista Yet to Come
Rick
"He's from Mars, Officer; whiskey does not affect alien beings."
-- Venus Flytrap speaking on The Rick
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theflammablemanimal
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You know, I'm surprised none of the predictions here mentioned that other thread about Batista. (Or did I just not read closely enough?)
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btrain87
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The handyman's secret weapon.
Originally posted by nOOb
As poorly spelled as that e-mail was, I cannot help but have my interest drawn. I hate you btrain.
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OORick
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Quick update before I go write the for-real recap (and trust me, this time I won't let gremlins screw things up so it looks like a blank page
with only a logo/headline but no text~!):
Edge d. Jericho
Cena d. Batista
Both matches had endings that probably seemed clever on paper, but which I think fell short in execution (Edge fought through 15 minutes of his
pre-injured achilles/ankel injury because he's the Noble Hero, but after one flukey shot to JERICHO's ankle it only took one minute for
Edge to score the win over the Pussbag Heel... and Cena failed to KO Batista, but instead duct-taped his feet together to prevent him from standing,
all while posing and "you can't see me"-ing in front of the guy like a cunty little bitch).
Film at 11. Or, depending on how long it takes me to polish my notes into publishable form, more like 11:30, or even 11:45....
Rick
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the goon
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quote:
Originally posted by the goon
I'm 100% sure Orton doesn't get pinned, I'm 99.9% Orton wins, and I'm 99.8% he picks up the title here. It's the modern
day rule of the WWE: DON'T BET AGAINST ORTON. Of course, now that I say that, Swagger will probably win.
I knew it.
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cardscott5
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Rick was right about the endings being a little too clever. Jericho and Edge especially lost a ton of steam at the end, especially after the
awesomeness that was the springboard Codebreaker while Edge was on the 2nd rope. It was a really good match, but the crowd was dead when Edge whaled
on Jericho's ankle.
Same with Cena and Batista in a way. The crowd lose anything, but the finish seemed good in theory, but not execution. Especially after all they went
through. That was probably my favorite match, and match of the night. Cena and Batista really brought it.
Edit: After thinking about it, the finish doesn't sound good in theory. It's a stupid ending. Especially since it took Cena 2 minutes to
do it. Other than that, it was good. But bad endings leave a sour taste.
[Edited on 4-26-2010 by cardscott5]
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Results vs my predictions:
Prediction- Harts/ShowMiz= As Rick says, I think the "Best ever" story will continue here, BUT I think it'll lead to a match here also, with
ShowMiz winning the first round of the feud.
Result- Harts won the final gauntlet match.
Prediction half right (match was made/"Best ever" storyline continued here) / half wrong (match result).
Prediction- CM Punk over Rey Mysterio.
Result- CM Punk won. Prediction correct.
Prediction for JTG vs. Shad Gaspard- DQ.
Result- JTG over Shad Gaspard. Prediction wrong.
Prediction- Swagger retains..
Result- Swagger retained. Prediction correct.
Prediction- Sheamus, to even up the score.
Result- Sheamus over HHH. Prediciton correct.
Prediction- Beth.
Result- Beth. Prediction correct.
Prediction- Edge
Resut- Edge. Prediction correct
Prediction- Bats for a major title change.
Result- Cena. Prediction wrong.
Totals: Correct 5.5 Wrong 2.5
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Ortonmustdie
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with all the rumblings of Bats calling it quits.....maybe it was Vince and Co. giving him a "Baltimore Screwjob"??
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southermagu
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So, Sheamus gets the kind of match that would be necessary to continue Swagger's push and Swagger gets the match he should've had against
Orton weeks ago?
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DKBroiler
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quote:
Originally posted by southermagu
So, Sheamus gets the kind of match that would be necessary to continue Swagger's push and Swagger gets the match he should've had against
Orton weeks ago?
Please take this with a grain of salt because yesterday's PPV was the first that I didn't purchase since TLC in December.
I don't think that Swagger needed to put a "OH BY GAWD SLOBBERKNOCKER" arse whoopin on Orton. What he needed was simply a clean pin fall
victory which he seems to have gotten. If his story is win championship > realize he is in over his head > give better performances becoming slightly
less in over his head > (I REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MORRISON LOSS EVER HAPPENED FOR MY OWN SANITY) > get big win over a guy he couldn't quite
beat a month ago... then I'm all for it. The only part of it that doesn't make any sense was the LOSS THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED.
Also, Sheamus's character has been built less on being a winner and more on being a dominator. A simply pin fall victory probably
wouldn't have been enough. Would it have helped? Sure. But giving HHH the stretcher treatment was a nice touch and a good way to blow off
thier feud with the draft looming.
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
Also, Sheamus's character has been built less on being a winner and more on being a dominator.
Actually, it's been built on being a coward, attacking people from behind and then injuring them, so that it can all be cut together into a nice
package and the announcers can pretend he is dominating.
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williamssl
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Be interesting to see if they continue what they started talking about last night re: Swagger "winning when it counts."
He doesn't have to win every (any?) non-title match he's in.
He wins when the title is on the line.
And it pisses the hell out of the challengers who beat him upteen times leading into the title matchup.
Not saying there are long legs to that...but legs nonetheless...and at least it puts a story behind his lose lose lose lose lose...WIN...streak.
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southermagu
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quote:
Originally posted by DKBroiler
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(I REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MORRISON LOSS EVER HAPPENED FOR MY OWN SANITY)
Sorry, Broiler, but psychiatry is outside my realm of scientific wrestling study.
But seriously, to me it seems like they are doing "character repair" on Sheamus while not actually moving Swagger forward in any meaningful way.
Sheamus mans up and takes out HHH while Swagger gets a win over Orton and then eats an RKO anyway.
I mean, I know you can't have two matches where young guys take out "top of their game" veterans on one PPV.
Oh wait, you can?
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If they have to use an RKO after the match to let Orton keep his heat, I'm fine with that as long as we got the result we needed; that being a
big Swagger win. Still not thrilled about the Morrison loss, but if that now sets up Morrison/Swagger for the title at the [crappy named] Over the
Limit [why???], I'm all for it.
It seems like with the Sheamus/Orton staredown, that is where they are going with Sheamus after the HHH feud. I much would have rathered Kofi be the
next guy with Sheamus after the beatings of the past few weeks, but maybe he'll be shipped to Smackdown to feud with McIntyre. McIntyre/Kofi,
Orton/Sheamus, Morrison/Swagger...that would be pretty interesting for the next PPV.
Of course, who knows with the draft.
As for the rest of the card, I enjoyed that they got the Harts and ShowMiz on the card. It also helped to build up a big match tonight on Raw on a
"very special" show.
Cryme Tyme/Diva match were alright, but nothing needing more than a few minutes of time.
Mysterio/Punk was a really good match, and it makes me complain less about Rey when he (a) matters, (b) is really good in the ring with good
opponents. I wonder what the insertion of Mercury will do to change the chemistry of the SES. (It looked to be him and definitely not Darren Young.
He lost his hood as he failed to roll back under the ring after the Rey beating and you could pretty much see it.) It was an idea someone brought up
here a few months ago, so kudos to them...although I'm not sure Morrison is going to be inserted into this feud quite yet as I'm not sure
this one is quite done.
Thought Sheamus/HHH and Jericho/Edge were really good stories. I loved the end of Sheamus/HHH, didn't love as much the Jericho/Edge one, but I
didn't think it lost as much steam as Rick thinks.
As for the main event, I thought that one had an eh finish. Cena taunting him at the end was dumb...a little funny...but dumb. I mean, I guess you
have to beat your opponent enough to have the time to tape him up, but it wasn't anything close to the type of ending you want to have if you
are ending the feud, and with Batista leaving, I wonder if we are going to get a definitive final match on Raw tonight. And with that...it would be 3
losses in a row for Batista. No idea. I wish they would have just had Cena give him the STF either before the taping and having him incapasitated,
or do it after while he was taped to make it seem like a more dominant ending.
All in all, it was a good PPV, but nothing that will stand out forever. Despite everything, Sheamus and Swagger both got big PPV victories, so I
guess if there's anything to take from this if we have to, it's that.
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LuckyLopez
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I've been thinking about it since last night and for the life of me I can't figure out if taping up a guy's feet in a Last man
Standing match is a heel move. I mean, its goofy as all hell on paper and it sounds like it came off that way to you guys, but was Cena behaving like
a heel? I mean... its well within the rules. But its cheap. It clearly works around the true purpose the match. And its really indirect since you
could handcuff him to the bottom rope and achieve the same thing. Its the sort of thing that if a heel did to a dominant face I might buy it on
paper, but a face? I have no idea how to take that.
And I'll just have to defer to you guys on Swagger/Orton and HHH/Sheamus. I didn't watch and neither sounds like I need to go out of the
way to watch. On paper Swagger/Orton sounds like 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Swagger finally gets himself a clean win and then is laid out and
treated as an after thought. Its not JUST the wins he needs, he just needs to look good/strong. And on paper HHH/Sheamus sounds cheap but you guys
make it sound like it came off much better and became more about Sheamus brutality than HHH's superman act. So fair enough. Its about time
Sheamus IS treated like a monster instead of just the coward who claims to be a monster when you're not in the room and runs away when you show
up.
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TomS
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I assume Mercury has shaved his head now then. Because as you would suspect for an SES member he was definitely bald.
Also, I quite disappointed that the announcers didn't pick up on Punk using Eddie Guerrero's moves and poses at points. I thought it was a
nice touch.
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LuckyLopez
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He did? Wow... Punk is an amazing douchebag. That's the one match I might seek out.
Mercury worked a dark match last week and was said to in fact be bald, so odds are it was him. I've heard Young and even Kaval/Senshi/Low Ki
rumored but general consensus seems to be Mercury.
I really, REALLY want a big midcard feud here. Do the "Hair vs Join" match next month and make Rey join the SES. Use Mercury to lead into a
Morrison feud and Killings fits naturally given his past with Punk (which Punk can probably remember). Maybe one more face like a drafted Christian
and you could have a really major feud going that is essentially an entire midcard in itself.
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theflammablemanimal
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quote:
Originally posted by LuckyLopez
I've been thinking about it since last night and for the life of me I can't figure out if taping up a guy's feet in a Last man
Standing match is a heel move. I mean, its goofy as all hell on paper and it sounds like it came off that way to you guys, but was Cena behaving like
a heel? I mean... its well within the rules. But its cheap. It clearly works around the true purpose the match. And its really indirect since you
could handcuff him to the bottom rope and achieve the same thing. Its the sort of thing that if a heel did to a dominant face I might buy it on
paper, but a face? I have no idea how to take that.
Agreed, but they seem to use these finishes a lot for faces. Cena/Foley pinned JBL/Rock with a forklift, Jericho pinned Kane with a tower of barrels,
and Macho Man once tied up Crush backstage (in some match where you had to get a pinfall and beat the guy back to the ring). It seems like they use
it to keep the heel looking unbeatable and make the face seem clever and resourceful. (I may also be forgetting who was actually face/heel in these
matches)
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And on paper HHH/Sheamus sounds cheap but you guys make it sound like it came off much better and became more about Sheamus brutality than HHH's
superman act. So fair enough. Its about time Sheamus IS treated like a monster instead of just the coward who claims to be a monster when
you're not in the room and runs away when you show up.
Again, agree. I didn't see it either and it does sound like it ended up being brutal, but the whole thing starts with Sheamus attacking from
behind to get an advantage. So he's a cheating coward but a brutal cheating coward.
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LuckyLopez
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Well, the line between "coward" and "opportunist" is clearly a fine one. In a vacuum attacking HHH from behind with a sledgehammer can
effectively be called "poetic justice" and since it IS a Last Man Standing Match its kind of just jumping the gun. I mean, heels attack faces
before the bell rings all the time. Of course with Sheamus' booking the last few months it can come off as the same "brave when my back is
turned" thing he's been doing, which is how it read on paper to me until Rick and others gave it a positive review.
Obviously like many things its probably going to come down to how it plays out. If Sheamus is booked strong and like a monster from here on out than
that might be the turning point, if he goes back to the usual booking then it will just be a moment during this. Remember a long time ago when Legacy
broke from their 18 months "bitch" booking to for a very short period lay brutal beatings on DX and score a tainted but legal win? We had this same
basic conversation. Some were optimistic and took it as a big moment for Legacy where they were booked like real heels and the turn around point and
some of the more cynical of us took it as more cowardice, just this time with a cheap win tossed in. Seems like the same basic situation, so we just
kind of have to wait and see which road Sheamus takes.
[Edited on 4-26-2010 by LuckyLopez]
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Devineman
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I enjoyed the show as a whole.
The strap match wasn't fantastic, but apart from that, every match was either in the good to superb range. I was annoyed when Swagger
immediately lost all of his heat, but he DID beat Orton clean, which is pretty big.
Edge/Jericho was a good match, and most of Cena/Batista was very, very good.
I must admit that I'm not too crazy about Rey any more, and he needs a change, perhaps when he eventually joins the SES and get de-masked, he
will be okay. Had a good match with Punk though last night with the exception of the annoyingly forced 619 setups.
Oh, and the guy under the ring definitely wasn't Young, he was white for a start, and bald. Somewhere between Chris Daniels and Angle's
build.
Diva match was pretty meh as always, and having the women use an ironing board as a weapon must have been a 'Vince idea'.
Overall, jolly good show and made up for the clusterfuck of Raw is MacGruber. A nice and tidy 3.5 from me.
I'm looking forward to the draft tonight, to see which angles are continuing and which aren't.
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LuckyLopez
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You actually said "jolly good." I didn't think that happened except in over the top American caricatures of English people.
For those curious its now being rumored that the Straight Edge Society guy last night wasn't Mercury, Young, or Kaval but rather FCW Champion
Alex Riley who has been on the cusp of a callup for awhile. So who knows? Personally, I'm hoping Punk shows up with all of them tonight. A
full army of bald cult fanatics. And just like Perry Saturn was a decade ago Low Ki could be the one really kick ass one who breaks out. Which makes
Riley Kidman and unfortunately leaves Gallows as Hammer.
But it could be worse. I think that makes Young Sick Boy. Which sounds about right.
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