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I was a fan of seeing Booster Gold kind of get a prominent spot, but I don't know... I think the way they kind of sold the series beforehand
kind of made it a bit more must have... I think if you had've told me before that it was a launch pad for the Question I don't think many
would have picked the thing up. I also found what they did with Luthor in the story against later appearance kinda mucked things up a bit...
I don't know that the weekly schedule really worked, as while they pulled up 52, they seriously messed up some of the shipping schedules for
other books.
In the end I guess it does come down to taste though. I think DC made 52 out to be more important than what it wound up being. Maybe I'll go
back and read it again a few years removed to see how it stands up as just a story instead of an "event".
As for Marvel... My opinion of them may be kind of scewed as I tend to buy Marvel's title in the collected editions 6 months after the fact so I
just get to enjoy them more as complete stories. I will say that I think Marvel's recent trend of killing off main characters is getting a
little old, as apparently the Hulk is next up on the slate to get offed after recent "deats" to Cap, Thor, Spidey to an extent (BND), Hawkeye...
ect.
Maybe to expand this thread since it looks like we have a lot of comic book fans on here here's what I read (would two threads be overkill?);
-Most of the core DC books like Batman, Superman, and the current "Odyssey" run on Wonder Woman. Green Lantern and Flash.
- Most of the Ultimate Marvel titles... Still wondering what's going on with Spidey's "death".
- American Vampire.... I absolutely love this. Vamps back to being what made them scary and not "cute".
- The Unwritten (in trades)
- Fables (in trades)
- Captain America, a few of the Iron man trades, and will be adding Thor, FF, and Avengers via trades as well. The buzz about X-men' s
"Schism" has got me wanting to go back and start buying them up in trades, but I'm worried about how many trades I'd have to buy just to
get the last few years since I stopped buying the weekly's (around Morrison's and Austin's runs).
- Spiderman (in trades) ... Gotta say, Spider-Island is not looking good at the outset to me... to early?
- Dark Tower (in trades)
"Y the last man" was excellent, and I've got all the trades for Powers (maybe not the last one come to think of it), and Ennis's
Punisher Max run, which I thought was one of the best hadlings of the character since Carl Pott's and Jim Lee's old War Journal run (or
maybe the first 25-30 issues of the original title).
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i loved the team of tomasi and gleason on GLC, so i'll follow them wherever they go. everything i've read of daniels has been crap. battle
for the cowl, the issues shortly after that he wrote. he too should stick to drawing.
i really enjoyed morrison's pre-RIP issues, and his batman and robin is a good read. i think most of that comes from damien being kind of an
awesome character, so kudos to morrison for bringing him into the world. i can't get into batman inc and RIP, final crisis and return of bruce
wayne were all atrocious. just terrible comics.
52 wasn't an event. the only thing event about it is that it was the first weekly comic they did. but other than that it wasn't an event.
it was a story. and a really good one in my opinion. but one think i don't think you can deny is it did accomplish alot. montoya as the new
question, introduction of batwoman, elevation of booster gold, elevation of black adam (something they totally shit the bed on), oh and i don't
know, how about the return of the god damn multiverse
and i don't get where you think secret origin was about making superman more smallville friendly. the idea was to use elements of all the
different iterations of superman (including smallville) and returning alot of the pre-crisis stuff, like superboy and the legion of superheroes. i do
agree it's stupid now to go in a whole new direction after coming out with that wonderfully told and streamlined origin though.
oh, and i'm completely indifferent to hawk and dove. i get it, it's fun to rag on lefield, but whatever. it's who cares characters
being drawn by a who cares artist. and quite frankly, i'd take rob leifeld over jaime reyes any day.
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You know I'll admit I'm wrong, 52 did accomplish a lot. I blame the deluge of weekly comics for my shoddy memory. I don't remember
particularily liking 52, but I guess it did accomplish plenty.
I guess where I can fault DC is in not doing more with what it accomplished as the characters aside, the re-introduction of the multiverse should have
been a bit thing, and I can't recall them doing much with it once it was there...
I guess the word "accomplish" can be a bit of a loaded term, and one that is subject to constant change as the new books come out. An story arc five
yeras from now could make the whole multiverse slant relevant suddenly, so its always in a state of flux I guess. For example I see the impact of
something like "Identity Crisis" as being something monumental as it humanized a lot of the characters, made secret identities important, and added
a fairly sinister layer to some of the relationships between some heroes and villains. 52's big importance was that it returned the multiverse,
something that seems needlessly complicated at a time when they've been trying to streamline and simplify things for new readers. So far the
only story I think I've really seen come close to using the multiverse stuff was Morrisons 3D two part Superman story that tied into his Final
Crisis, and that even as a long time reader it left me kinda "meh" to a lot of it, and in some cases scratching my head.
I guess a lot of my "pain" with DC comes from wanting more "human" stories like Identity Crisis, and less like 52, countdown, Infinite and Final
crisis. Not to turn this into a Marvel vs DC thing, but I think that's why I'm getting a bit more enjoyment from Marvel right now, because
it seems to be about the characters and not what's happening. I think DC introduced a lot of interesting "threads" over the last few years;
Christopher Kent, Damien, Bruce adopting Tim, Some marital problems between Clark and Lois... ect, but then they've kinda ignored them or
hastily wrapped them up because it didn't fit with the next event... and if you want proof of that look no further than this new first issue 52
reboot their doing, as there were a number of cancelled solicitations for dealers, in addition to books like Finch's Batman and Batwoman being
launched recently or delayed, only to be reshuffled into this 52 things. "Flashpoint" as a story might have long legs, but the marketing campaign
and thus new direction are poorly planned/executed.
Secret Origin seemed designed to bring Lex Luthour back into the Smallville fold, which is why I see it as a Smallville TV show tie in... I know that
predates Smallville and that Johns wanted to do the Legion stuff too... I dunno, I guess I'm just a fan of what Byrne did back in 1986 and while
not adverse to change, I think the changes in SO just seemed to be done for the sake of change... Despite each one being done for differing reasons, I
think the fact that in the last few years we've had Waids "Birthright", Strazcynski's "Earth One", and SO has just kinda been
overkill, and to that list you can now ad the new Flashpoint origin from which the new 52 issues will spring from.... No one's really given me a
good reason for each of these as Waids big change was that he's a Vegan who can see people's aura's, JMS's was that aliens
wiped out Krypton and that he turned down lucrative sports contracts, Johns was that Luthor was there but doesn't remember it (and admittedly a
big change, that the Legion was there too).
I love a lot of what DC does so don't get me wrong and think I'm a hater... more tired of the marketting angles, nothing happening in the
core books but always in mini-series and "event" books, and the general lack of direction with the universe I guess... then I go and look at
John's GL on going run and it gives me comfort because from the day he took over it literaly looked like he has had all 60-something issues
worked out before he started the book, where with the exception of a couple of stand alone issues and Blackest night EVERYTHING has happened in the
book itself....
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i haven't read birthright in a long time, but wasn't luthor in smallville in that too? i could be completely misremembering that, but i
coulda sworn he was.
oh, and who the fuck is christopher kent?
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Yup, Luthor was in Birthright as well, and was another one where he was there, but can't remember being there, which beg's the quesiton of
outside of resurecting the idea of Superman and Luther being former best buds, what's the point, lol.
Christopher Kent was introduced during the initial kick off of the One year later stuff that was happening in the real world while 52 was going on,
but story wise after the 52 missing year.
Basically while Morrison was digging through Batman back issues to find a way to make Batman a daddy, DC brought in Geoff Johns and his former mentor
director Richard Donner to pen what was supposed to be a huge Superman story, the one that gave us Christopher Kent (named for Christopher Reeve).
The Story Donner and Johns put out was great once it was finished, but along the way they had some kind of delay which derailed the conclusion of the
story for several months.
Basically alien spaceship crashes to Earth, and in front of Superman, the military, and tonnes of witnesses out steps a roughly 8-10 year old boy. At
first the military takes him, but after Luthor sends Bizarro to snatch him and some other stuff (such as the reveal that he's Kryptonian).
Superman feeling a kinship with the boy and not liking some of the lies the military told him opts to steal, and then adopt the boy with a little help
from Batman in creating some papers for him. They named him Christopher Kent and it looked like Clark and Lois were going to have a family of their
own... problem was, Christopher Kent was actually Lor-Zod, as in General Zod's kid that he and Ursula had in the phantom zone... Because Zod Jr
was born in the PZ he was able to break out of it at the insistance of his abusive parents. Basically Zod has followed suite via the trail Christopher
made and has not set the entire, or at least most of, the phantom zone loose on Earth... for good measure he banishes Superman there.... comcs time a
couple of hours, real time I think the artist Kubert got really sick or the writing team had a set back or something, cause it was literally months in
the waiting for the last part... Which was done in an annual, and Actions comics went on to the next arc which oddly did not contain CK.
While the Action comics schedule got really messed up, I don't think anyone told Superman writer Kurt Busiek what was going on or what was going
to happen as he thought... Gee, Clark and Lois have a kid, that's pretty major thing that we better deal with... and continued to write most of
his "Camelot" story arc in a way that included Christopher Kent. As other writers got involved we got other stories like Christopher Kent meeting
Robin... so clearly no one knew what was going on.
Via some cool stuff in Donner and John's Action comics finale (I'll let you read it as it is pretty good IMO) Superman prevails, but CK jr
is also possibly sucked into the Phantom Zone...
So depending on what story you read Clark and Lois were parents for all of a day or six months....
Christopher Kent showed up again when they took Superman out of his ongoing titles while they did that whole New Krypton thing, except now he's
in his twenties and going by the name Nightwing and is partnered with Flamebird... I got a little fed up with that story line and its one of the few
times where I've abandoned a story mid arc, so aside from knowing he's back in the phantom zone hanging with Mon-El, but otherwise
I'm not sure what their doing with him.
So yeah, writers/editors not being on the same page, an interesting new chapter for Clark and Lois started and then abandoned, wonky super aging...
Kind irked me with DC and convinced me that they don't really have a plan.
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i read all the new krypton stuff and really liked it. i didn't read action or superman at the time cuz i didn't give a shit about mon-el
or whoever the nightwing and flamebird were. i also skipped the johns/donner story and started reading john's superman run with the brainiac
story because adam kubert just happened to have been a dick to me shortly before that story started so i didn't feel like reading any of his
comics at the time.
so basically, i just happened to skip anything and everything this christopher kent was in without even trying.
so yeah, luthor was in smallville in birthright. i thought so. but the point of secret origin, and i think it did it very well, was to take aspects
from all these origin stories, birthright, man of steel, smallville, pre-crisis history, and make one all encompassing, iconic, official origin for
superman. and i think it did it great. i would give that book to anyone interested in superman. of course they're ruining it by doing this new
morrison reboot. though i wouldn't be surprised if we find out a lot of that stuff is still in there, in one form or another.
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Don't get me wrong, much like most of Johns stuff I did enjoy Secret Origin, I'm just a little burned out with the idea that we're
getting yet another reboot.
I think one of the reasons I bailed on the New Krypton stuff is that I'm just not a big fan of Robinson's work in general. Cry for justice
just seemed to be all about ripping Roy's arm off and Ollie killing prometheus. The sense of pace that closed out the story was terrible. I gave
him a chance with the Atlast stuff, but I think the fact that DC took superman out of his books just to sell another mini series kinda irked me. I
will say though that in flipping through the 4 part War of NK, and the other 4 parter they did it looked like it finished a lot better than how they
started it.
I'm kinda concerned about this whole 5 year thing and how it affects Batman... In Year One he's stated to have gotten started arond the
age of 25 as batman... Assuming Dick joins him around that time you've still got to cram in Jason, Tim, and now Damien into those five years...
That's kinda murky IMO, unless he's actually been secretly Batman for 10 years and that the new DCU is only picking things up 5 years in
with Superman and the JLA's debut...?
I've also heard that Tim was never Robin...?
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if tim was never robin i'm punching out. a guy's gotta have standards.
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I think the word is that Bats has been working in secret before the five years, so it's possible they could write-in a Robin or two in
flashbacks pre-Action. (?)
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yeah, bats' career supposedly predates superman's, it just wasn't a public career. same allegedly true for stormwatch.
i'd just like to say that both these things to be very stupid. one of the things they're supposed to be trying to accomplish is returning
superman to his status as the first superhero. but first superhero and first public superhero aren't close to the same thing, and the latter
isn't anywhere near as impressive as the former.
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I always thought the whole post crisis JSA explaination that they were the heroes of the 1940's was always pretty cool as it gave some of these
guys more of a legacy. I'm very disappointed that they are supposedly doing away with that.
I guess short of saying that they were trapped in some anti-aging dimension or put into suspended animation for some reason from the 50's until
now doesn't work anymore?
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quote:
Originally posted by Flash
I guess short of saying that they were trapped in some anti-aging dimension or put into suspended animation for some reason from the 50's until
now doesn't work anymore?
Admittedly there are problems in current continuity with their kids. Like Alan Scott's son and daughter are still in their 20s it seems, so it
begs the question just how old was Alan when they were conceived?
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That's always the hard part about heroes like the JSA and Captain America as we're getting further and further away from it being
conceivable that most people alive as adults back then are still alive to this day. The fact that as you mentioned Alan Scott has two kids has always
been tricking to explain, but even if they omit them in the new continuity it affects other characters (Jade in particular playing a big role in Kyle
Rayner's character arc) as the JSA have a lot of individual ties (Bart Allan and Jay Garrick for example).
Not being a fan of the whole multiverse thing I'm thinking we're going to get a rehash of Earth One and Two type story for when it comes
time to deal with the JSA. Johns created the new stargirl Courtney in honour of his late sister, so I can't see them completely abandoning those
characters for long, unless they fold her into the Teen Titans.
Honestly I'm still of the mind that this will be a 1-2 year thing, and that by the time you ad the new series numbering to the old series... ie
Detective 881 plus 19 issues of the reboot/relaunch I think their going to kind of drift back to the pre- reboot numbering and stories, kinda like
Marvel has done. No way is DC passing up hitting the 900th issue of Detective or the 1000th of that or Action comics.
So if we're going to end up back there, why rob the legacy of the books?
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My biggest beef is watching great series like Justice Society and Secret Six get the boot so that we can end up with crap like Men of War and
O.M.A.C.
Not to mention the new birds of prey book looks horrible and with a new blackhawks series I'm worried that may be it for Lady Blackhawk.
All of this just so Superman can be the first superhero. That is lame. The sooner they realise that Supermans movies will never be as popular as
Batmans the better. Supes doesn't need to be the first hero, it makes more sense for him to have been inspired by heroes that have come before.
He is an alien pretending to be human after all. Why would he become a hero unless he saw other ones to imitate first?
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The Superman stuff is weird, as its been rumoured that the Kents aren't going to be in the picture really... not sure if that means it
wasn't them that found the ship or what.
Also they have him running around in jeans and a t-shirt with a towel or baby blanket wrapped around his neck, lol.
JSM's Superman:Earth One seemed like it might be a worthy reboot (even if set in its own little universe), but I think it largely "chickened"
out and wound up going back to largely the same origin. I'm not a fan of some of the rumours surround the Superman reboot, and have a lot fo
fears that I've already touched on about Morrison running amuck, but I will give credit where its due if they do try to take a truly original
slant to Supe's "new" origin.
You know I really think that if DC did a real reboot, or their own version of an Ultimate-verse it could be really cool... imagine actually starting
at a pre-dawn of the superhero age... like a year or two worth of Superman stories where he's learning his powers and meeting the legion (pretty
much Smallville) and Batman comics where he's still training. Then you kind of do the dawn of the superheroes, the debut of Superman and Batman.
The birth of the JLA.
Basically take the blue print of 80 years worth of history and retell those stories with a new spin or slant and actually introduce events along the
way and establish the big history moments we already know...
Here's how I'd do it for Superman;
1-2 years of "Smallville" superman
year 3 would be the superman costume debut and introduce a JLA comic.
year 4-5 Would be your big Luthor blow off, dating Lois
Year 5 Could be the death, but at the same time I'd be more inclined to tie Doomsday to Luthor as opposed to being something alien.
... ect.
Elapsed time would be like 3-4 years in comic time, 5-6 years of real life time.
Batman could be:
year 1-2 - training and globe travel
Year 3- would be like a drawn out version of Millers Year one, culminating in the JLA, and I'd bring in Dick
Year 3-4 would be a 13-15 year old Dick Grayson
Year 4 he'd be solo
Year 5 would be Jason... I'd actually tie in Knight fall with Jason instead. I like Tim, but I think this would be a way to diverge... Jason
could still die, but maybe as part of Knightfall or something...
Again, 5-6 years in real life, 3-4 years in comics time... you could say 5 months have passed or something....
I mean you could go longer before hitting those milestones but the point would be to actually have a passage of defined time in between them.
You could tell space stories with Hal Jordan as he trains under Sinestro, WW stories on the island... ect.. basically this "universe" woulds start
before the dawn of heroes and really tell the stories in a chronological order.
You could even start the teen titans over again set in the 3-4th year of the new time line.
Thoughts?
Not saying that's the greatest idea, but I hate the constant reboots that only really have the effect of keeping the status quo... that the DCU
is stuck at the 5 years in point for all of time.
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"The JSA will be showing up eventually."
There's been a rumour since earlier this month James Robinson and Nicola Scott would be handling a JSA title too.
[Edited on 22-8-11 by Stu]
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I'm still kinda thinking we're going to get a return of the old Earth 1 and Earth 2 type cross overs when it comes to the JSA... otherwise
to an extent, we're right back to where we started from and it would be about time they use the whole multiverse thing again outside of in
fringe books like Booster Gold.
Reading over the link it actually sounds like very little outside of Superman and the JLA/JSA is really changing (probably some tweeks here and there,
but it sounds like Snyder is sticking with Batman as is), which still makes this whole thing feel like a marketing cash grab, one that I fully expect
to be rectified by the time the next big anniversary issues comes up (maybe Detective 900 in about 18 months), as opposed to wide spread continuity
changes.
I think the fact that DC is still going ahead with the Earth 1 titles (JSM's Superman, and later this years John's Batman) kind of makes
this thing redundant. I think they could have kept a lot of long time fans happy, and still attracted the new fans they crave by a less knee jerk
reaction to slumping sales, as after all the Earth 1 stuff seems poised to be in its own shared universe, so I fail to see the need for two new
rebooted universes. Outside of Morrison's Action comics and JLA most of these books are settling into a 5 years in time frame, which still puts
new readers in the middle of continuity, except now so are long time readers who had previously invested in what had come before... end result; status
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All that said, I'm seriously thinking about picking up JLA 1 at least. Anyone else?
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lol, yeah for all my griping I'll still be there each Wednesday to buy my books, JLA included.
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JSA confirmed to be coming back next year, done by Robinson and Scott, and set on Earth 2. Booster Gold is now Canadian. Superman still without red
underwears. Thoughts?
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So, JSA won't even be part of the main universe? FUCK DC, seriously.
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So I guess you consider this a downgrade for them in "importance", rather than an opportunity to show them as a premier team by being the main group
in their world, and not have potential editorial decisions/tie-ins to unrelated events/series get in the way of just telling stories focused on them.
Let's face it, they don't get their due when co-existing with the Justice League. The League is the A-Team, the first line of defence for
the whole planet, while the Society is presented as more of club and training ground for the "next generation", who aren't ever going to get
to really BE the next generation because the JSA will always have Alan Scott/Wildcat/Jay Garrick around as its foundation. Given the experience those
3 have, it's pretty dumb how regularly when big shit goes down(Crises, Blackest Nights and such), those three aren't playing that major a
role in dealing with a situation, mostly being off to the side, or acting like inspiration figureheads rather than active participants.
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That is what I loved about them Stu. I really liked having the elder statesmen types around, that someone like Superman or Batman could come to when
they needed inspiration. I know technically Superman was around before them, but I also liked the concept of him being inspired by them. You stick
them into Earth Two, and it becomes harder to use them with the other characters without it being some weird contrived set up.
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Originally posted by CreativeInternetAliass
You stick them into Earth Two, and it becomes harder to use them with the other characters without it being some weird contrived set up.
Isn't that kinda moot if they populate Earth 2 with enough interesting characters, or its own versions of the New Earth ones? I like the JSA as
elder statesmen too, but I also like stories about them in their prime/primeish and getting shit done(Starman, New Frontier...and I should really read
Golden Age at some point). I mean, Alan Scott WAS the Superman of his day, Wildcat doesn't need to change at all given how he's been
depicted more as middle aged in modern times due to his 9 lives rather than old, and Robinson really made Ted Knight's exploits exciting and
interesting.
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Originally posted by CreativeInternetAliass
That is what I loved about them Stu. I really liked having the elder statesmen types around, that someone like Superman or Batman could come to when
they needed inspiration. I know technically Superman was around before them, but I also liked the concept of him being inspired by them. You stick
them into Earth Two, and it becomes harder to use them with the other characters without it being some weird contrived set up.
Its been a long time since I read them, but didn't they once kind of explain this away as Earth 2 exploits showed up as comic books in Earth 1,
which is why you were able to have Jay Garrick still inda inspiring Barry Allen back in the 1950's? Maybe they'll go back to that set up
again, that way when one of the heroes (probably flash again) finds a way to cross over, they'll kinda know who they are.
I like the idea (if that's the way they go) of some of the "fun" stories they can retell involving things like "crisis on two earths" or
even the big teams ups again between the two teams to face an Injustice League or whatever, but I dunno, personally I loved the idea of the elder
statesmen being around to hand off the legacy to the new generation... that you had superheroes in the 1940's and 50's during once of the
more livelier era's in history, and then their relationship with the newer generation (although to be fair that gap between the two periods is
getting harder to explain)...
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