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Subject: NCAA College Football 2011- Revenge of the Conference Reallignment
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 10:11 PM
So with all this movement, we've got Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC (with Notre Dame apparently thinking about it now too), the Texas and Oklahoma
schools lining up for the Pac, and Missouri now reportedly has an offer from the SEC.
Meanwhile the Big 10 is sitting with their fucking thumbs up their asses, doing nothing. YET AGAIN. They finally, finally were pro-active about
something when they went and got Nebraska yet stopped. And are just sitting around, noses in the air, about to be schooled and left in the dust
AGAIN.
I have only one reaction:
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posted on 9-20-2011 at 10:35 PM
Notre Dame going to the ACC (if it happens) is a complete joke. You are geographically in the center of the Big Ten. You already have rivalries with
half the Big Ten, they have natural rivalries with Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue and Illinois, and you have traditional rivalries against Michigan and
Michigan State. Hell ND only has a losing/non winning record against four of the Big Ten schools, Ohio State (2-3), Penn State (9-9-1), Nebraska
(7-8-1) and Michigan (15-20-1). They've never lost to Illinois (11-0-1) or Minnesota (4-0-1) and have pretty well also owned Indiana (23-4-1)
and Northwestern (36-8-2). As for the rest, Purdue (54-26-2), Michigan State (41-27-1) and Wisconsin (8-6-2) still fall in the Irish favor.
They've played 8 teams from the Big Ten in the last 20 years (Indiana 1991, Northwestern in 1995) and six of them in the last five including
regular games each year. The only teams they haven't faced in forever is Wisconsin (1964) Illinois (1968) and Minnesota (1938)
it makes ND kind of look weak wanting to move to the ACC
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 03:03 AM
Well, geography clearly isn't going to be a factor in these things anymore. And really, while I like to keep things neat and geographically
alligned, it doesn't really matter. Maybe some of these kids rack up more frequent flier miles (assuming that getting frequent flier
miles isn't some kind of violation of NCAA rules, and I'm only half-joking here), but other than that, what changes? Maybe there are fewer
fans traveling to see the away team at certain games, but really that's it.
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 06:46 AM
Part of the Notre Dame to the ACC is again, recruiting and exposure and population shifts.
Notre Dame is well known nationally. We all know that but joining the ACC gives them the chance to get in front of kids during the season they
wouldn't have a chance to otherwise. Kids are limited on recruiting trips and official visits. One of the ways around that is to have the kids
come to your game. The coaches can get face time with the kids. Notre Dame has it's strongholds in the midwest. What they want is to gain
footing in Florida, the southeast and the larger population centers the ACC will let them.
The population shifts nationally are part of this too. Where is the growth happening? The Carolinas, Florida, Texas. Where are those people coming
from? The Rust belt, the cold Great Lakes States.
Why do you think ND agreed to the series with Texas? Played that game in the Alamodome last year? Wants to join the ACC if they have to pick a
conference? There are more people, thus more talent in those areas than there used to be. 40 years ago the Big Ten was the geographic center of the
football world. It isn't anymore.
I agree that geographically it makes no sense. Geography is no longer the big concern. When these conferences were founded, Geography mattered. Travel
budgets were non existent. Air travel was proportionally more expensive than it is now. Television money was different.
It will suck for the other sports, but I'd bet we see "Football Only" and "Basketball Only" conferences in the future.
Texas is the wild card in all this. The Pac-12 supposedly has a problem with the Longhorn Network. I don't seee them going there. The ACC is
reportredly receptive to it. I can see Oklahoma heading to the Pac, and taking TTech and OSU with them, then the leftovers of the Big 12, with or
without Texas and the rest of the Big East merging.
I'm also reading the MWC and CUSA merging? Holy Hell, If 16 is too many, what will a 20-team league look like?
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 05:54 PM
Looks like the Pac-12 has hit the brakes and killed the
engine on expanding right now. So either the Big XII is safe for now, or the Big 10 better swoop in and land Texas while they're ripe for
the picking. Since Oklahoma is on the SEC's wish list, I wonder if they drop the flirtation with Missouri or what.
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 10:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by mooseheadjack
it makes ND kind of look weak wanting to move to the ACC
The Big 10 is an inferior conference to the ACC - with currently one football program in the top 25. Even the Big East has that.
And basketball is no contest superior in the ACC.
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posted on 9-21-2011 at 11:18 PM
basketball, its no contest, I agree with that. Football? No, the Big Ten is still better overall. I will give you that Virginia Tech and Nebraska
are both very good programs, but they are equaled in the Big Ten by Nebraska and Wisconsin. The rest of both conferences is a whole lot of varying
degrees of meh.
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posted on 9-22-2011 at 04:44 AM
quote:Originally posted by mooseheadjack
basketball, its no contest, I agree with that. Football? No, the Big Ten is still better overall. I will give you that Virginia Tech and Nebraska
are both very good programs, but they are equaled in the Big Ten by Nebraska and Wisconsin. The rest of both conferences is a whole lot of varying
degrees of meh.
Also, yeah, Ohio State is not good this year but let's not oversell this. They'll rebuild pretty quickly. Michigan is almost back.
Michigan State and Penn State are solid programs. The Big Ten is in a slump, but don't mistake them for being a not-good conference.
They're a lot better than the ACC in football.
Basketball? Yeah, it's not even close.
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posted on 9-26-2011 at 08:11 PM
So how about that Big 10 this week!
Illinois 23, Western Michigan 20 (whew!)
Indiana 21, North Texas 24 (oops!)
Minnesota 24, North Dakota State 37 (what?!)
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posted on 9-26-2011 at 08:29 PM
Minnesota and Indiana are a special kind of horrible
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posted on 9-27-2011 at 07:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by The Old Guy
So how about that Big 10 this week!
Illinois 23, Western Michigan 20 (whew!)
Indiana 21, North Texas 24 (oops!)
Minnesota 24, North Dakota State 37 (what?!)
Oh, I see what you did! You took three of the Big Ten's bottom feeders and tried to make a point about the quality of the conference!
Miss St. 26, LA Tech 20 (that was close!)
Last week: South Carolina 24, Navy 21 (that was REAL close!)
Last week: Clemson 38, Auburn 24 (d'oh!)
The SEC: DOMINANCE since '32.
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posted on 10-6-2011 at 05:37 PM
I think this is a pretty accurate description of the Buckeye offense:
Also of Buckeye fans in general.
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So the pop culture zeitgeist of this shitty age I find myself living in doesn't just compel me to love these piggish oafs, but I now also
have to admit that they're the equivalent to hard-working people who've earned legitimate acting careers? Fuck that noise, junior. -
Paddlefoot
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posted on 10-11-2011 at 10:09 PM
With TCU to the Big 12, and Mizzou likely out soon, I'd like to float another name out there. Everyone can think of BYU, Boise State and Notre
Dame. I think BYU and Boise are fine, but I'd love to see Air Force added as well. It puts you back on TV in Colorado (The AFA is in Colorado
Springs) and they are generally good, lower top 25 level teams. They have a rivalry with BYU already as well. So In My Eyes, Big 12 North should be
Iowa State, Kansas, K State, BYU Boise, AFA. Put TCU in A&M;'s spot in the South and you're all set
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posted on 10-13-2011 at 06:33 PM
I like that Sharky. But I'll throw in a sleeper (with no intel, just looking at available schools).
Northern Illinois.
They have a respectable football program and could give the new Big 12 exposure to the Chicago area market. Plus it'd do wonders for NIU
athletics as a whole.
Just an idea.
[Edited on 10-13-2011 by BC]
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posted on 10-13-2011 at 07:29 PM
I think NIU to the Big 12 would be a stretch. If they were "Moving up, stepping up to CUSA or maybe the MWC/WAC would seem more likely.
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posted on 10-15-2011 at 07:38 AM
Mountain West/ C-USA merger?
Wow. If I recall correctly, One of the reasons that Hawaii chose to go to the Mountain West next season was travel concerns, TCU was leaving, and the
WAC was adding two Texas Schools (UTSA & Texas State). How are they going to like it with this Uber-Conference where there are teams in ACC & SEC
Country.
Also looks like UCF to the big East is done. No big deal IMO, but the news of possible additions of Boise, Navy & Air Force again, seem like the BE is
desperate to keep that BCS AQ status. (and for good reason) I read Boise has doubts, and I personally hope they don't go.
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posted on 10-15-2011 at 05:19 PM
I think Boise can hold out and get into the Big XII.
As for the Big East, along with UCF, Air Force, and Navy, I've also been reading that Temple, Houston, and SMU are on their radar.
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There are reports the offers from the Big East are Boise, Air Force, Navy as football only, and UCF, SMU and Houston as full members. Why they
don't blow up the league and start over, I don't know. Connecticut and SMU should not be in the same league. Ever. Plus, when Louisville,
West Virginia, maybe Cincinnati and UConn, leave the conference is going to be fucked. It's stupid.
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quote:Originally posted by cardscott5
There are reports the offers from the Big East are Boise, Air Force, Navy as football only, and UCF, SMU and Houston as full members. Why they
don't blow up the league and start over, I don't know. Connecticut and SMU should not be in the same league. Ever. Plus, when Louisville,
West Virginia, maybe Cincinnati and UConn, leave the conference is going to be fucked. It's stupid.
I am sure the Big East wants to keep its AQ status, and adding Boise would help that, adding UCF, Air Force and Navy won't hurt, but SMU and
Houston really add nothing. And again, having SMU, Houston, Air Force and Boise in the Big East, where they would have to travel to play Rutgers and
UConn (until UConn leaves) is just dumb.
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posted on 10-17-2011 at 05:45 PM
Why is adding Houston a joke when they're undefeated & #25 in the nation right now?
As for Hawai'i, Sharky has it right, Hawai'i left the WAC in favor of the Mountain West (football only - Big West in other sports)
primarily due to the new Eastern direction the league was taking. They basically have 3 options. Suck it up and deal with this new "mega league",
go back to the WAC with their tails between their leges, or go Independant, which if that can work for any school, it can work for Hawai'i.
Traveling away more might be a bitch, but there are plenty of schools who would love the trip to Hawai'i that 2-3 schools take every year at the
end of the season and the NCAA has a special rule allocating Hawai'i extra games for that very reason.
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cause Houston is just one of those meh programs. They are good this year, but most years they are just average at best. Its not so much a knock on
the program as it is the reality of the situation. There are a four or five teams in the MAC that are the same - they are generally decent,
occasionally pretty good, but for the most part nothing to get excited about if they join your conference
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posted on 10-17-2011 at 09:58 PM
As much as I hate saying this, the conference you're in really matters. Houston, in the SWC, was good. In Conference USA? Not so much.
Cincinnati was shit before they joined the Big East, now they're a decent program. It took a number of years and a great coach, but South
Carolina is finally good and they never would have had they not joined the SEC. SMU would have recovered quicker from the death penalty had the SWC
stayed around; instead they got shipped off to the WAC, then Conference USA.
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posted on 10-24-2011 at 05:23 PM
Can someone please explain to me how Wisconsin, losing on the last play on the road against a ranked team drops 9 spots, where Oklahoma losing at home
to an unranked team only drops 5?
I don't mean to sound like a homer, but the pollsters seem to love to fellate the Big12(10) and the SEC but shit on the other conferences. One
of the computer rankings has Auburn 9th, while unranked in the human polls...WTF
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quote:Originally posted by OOMike
Can someone please explain to me how Wisconsin, losing on the last play on the road against a ranked team drops 9 spots, where Oklahoma losing at home
to an unranked team only drops 5?
I don't mean to sound like a homer, but the pollsters seem to love to fellate the Big12(10) and the SEC but shit on the other conferences. One
of the computer rankings has Auburn 9th, while unranked in the human polls...WTF
Well, clearly every team in the SEC should be ranked. Ole Miss may be just 2-5, but they play such a tough schedule they should probably be ranked
ahead of everyone not in the SEC. And the Big Ten? Please. Never mind that they have as many ranked teams as the SEC in the AP poll, they are LUCKY
none of them have to play Ole Miss, they would be down by 60 at half time.
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posted on 10-24-2011 at 10:08 PM
In past year�s I�ve liked floating the idea of a 16-team playoff for the college championship, while still keeping the bowls in tact. Here�s the
concept, and where teams would be after this weekend.
CONCEPT
The 11 division champions qualify, as do the top five remaining teams based on the BCS rankings. The 16 teams are seeded based on their BCS
rankings.
The bowls remain. The biggest 15 bowls host the BCS playoff games, with the BCS Championship at the end. This year that�s January 9. The semifinals
would be played December 31, the quarterfinals December 24 and the first round December 17.
FIRST ROUND
BOWL: TEAM vs. TEAM
New Orleans (New Orleans): LSU vs. Arkansas State
Little Caesars (Detroit): Kansas State vs. Oklahoma
Music City (Nashville): Clemson vs. TCU
Holiday (San Diego): Boise State vs. Toledo
Alamo (San Antonio): Oklahoma State vs. Cincinnati
Insight (Tempe): Stanford vs. Houston
Champs Sports (Orlando): Oregon vs. Michigan State
Liberty (Memphis): Alabama vs. Nevada
QUARTERFINALS
Gator (Jacksonville), Rose (Pasadena), Cotton (Arlington), Sugar (New Orleans)
SEMIFINALS
Orange (Miami) and Fiesta (Tempe)
FINAL
BCS Title (New Orleans)
Here�s the rankings by team and how they got in:
1) LSU (SEC)
2) Alabama (Wild Card #1)
3) Oklahoma State (Big 12)
4) Boise State (Wild Card #2)
5) Clemson (ACC)
6) Stanford (Pac 12)
7) Oregon (Wild Card #3)
8) Kansas State (Wild Card #4)
9) Oklahoma (Wild Card #5)
10) Michigan State (Big 10)
11) Houston (Conf USA)
12) TCU (Mountain West)
13) Toledo (MAC)
14) Cincinnati (Big East)
15) Nevada (WAC)
16) Arkansas State (Sun Belt)
Last 5 Out
Arkansas
Virginia Tech
South Carolina
Nebraska
Wisconsin
It�s early, so don�t freak out yet about the rankings. TCU is ahead of Boise because they have one more conference win. If there is a tie (like
LSU/Alabama), the BCS rankings breaks the deadlock.
The higher seeded team gets to pick the bowl location. LSU grabs New Orleans, Alabama takes Memphis, Oklahoma State takes San Antonio. Boise could
take Detroit, but since they�re playing Toledo decides to go to San Diego. Clemson takes Nashville and Stanford takes Tempe. Oregon gets screwed at
this point. Left with Orlando or Detroit as options, they head east rather than giving Michigan State a quasi-home game. That leaves Kansas State to
take Detroit.
Now for the rest of the bowls. I tried to keep the current conference affiliations, and tried to put the more historic bowls in later time slots.
Because January 1 falls on a Sunday, the New Year�s Days games are being played on December 31. Even though that�s also the semifinal gameday, I want
one big day of wall-to-wall games, and this would be it. The four bowl games are the early games, followed by back-to-back semifinals in primetime. To
make the games better as the month goes on, bowl committees pick their teams based on when their bowl is played. So the December 31 bowls pick first;
the December 20 bowls pick last. Here�s the rest of the schedule and the matchups as of this week:
December 20
Idaho Potato (Boise): Fresno State (WAC) vs. Northern Illinois (MAC)
Beef O Brady (St. Petersburg): Pittsburgh (BE) vs. SMU (CUSA)
December 21
New Mexico (Albuquerque): Air Force (MWC) vs. UCLA (P12)
Independence (Shreveport): Virginia (ACC) vs. San Diego State (MWC)
December 23
Belk (Charlotte): Miami, FL (ACC/CUSA) vs. Syracuse (BE)
Compass (Birmingham): West Virginia (BE) vs. Auburn (SEC)
December 26
Hawaii (Honolulu): Tulsa (CUSA) vs. San Jose State (WAC/Hawaii)
Military (Washington): Florida State (ACC) vs. Texas (Navy/MAC/B12)
December 27
Pinstripe (Bronx): Rutgers (BE) vs. Baylor (B12)
Poinsettia (San Diego): Wyoming (MWC) vs. Hawaii (WAC)
December 28
Hunger (San Francisco): California (P10) vs. Georgia Tech (ACC/Army)
TicketCity (Houston): Iowa (B10) vs. Texas Tech (CUSA/B12)
December 29
Armed Forces (Ft. Worth): BYU (Ind/Wild Card) vs. Southern Miss (CUSA/MWC)
Go Daddy (Mobile): La-Lafayette (SB) vs. Temple (MAC)
December 30
Outback (Tampa): Penn State (B10) vs. Georgia (SEC)
Sun (El Paso): Washington (P12) vs. Wake Forest (ACC)
December 31
Chick-fil-A (Atlanta): Virginia Tech (ACC) vs. South Carolina (SEC)
Capital One (Orlando): Nebraska (B10) vs. Arkansas (SEC)
Las Vegas (Las Vegas): Notre Dame (B12/Wild Card*) vs. Arizona State (P12)
Texas (Houston): Texas A&M; (B12) vs. Wisconsin (B10)
* The Wild Card can go to any team the committee deems was screwed out of a playoff berth. Since it�s the Las Vegas Bowl, it�s fitting.
If a conference does not have enough qualified teams, the bowl can pick from any conference.
So what do you think? Comments, criticisms, etc are more than welcome. As the season moves forward, many things will change. It�s just fun to watch
who would be in and out of a playoff chase.
