cardscott5
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The only thing I really liked was Cody Rhodes putting the bag on Orton's head and embarrassing him. That should be a quality match at Vengeance.
I really hope they do Ziggler/Swagger v. Air Boom again, because I have no interest in Mason Ryan. Maybe he could be surprising, but I don't
know. Ziggler has taken a lot of losses lately.
I also hope that after the month or two or running the show, the 3 hour raw before Survivor Series that the Rock is supposed to be on is the one where
Foley would be announced as the GM. If it's going to be him.
Like most of you, I thought the stuff at the beginning wasn't that interesting. It seems like now would have been the time to bring Punk back if
he stayed gone after Money in the Bank. Lord knows they probably didn't plan this angle out that far in advance, but having HHH need people
since everyone walked out, getting Punk to return would have been huge. Instead, they are teaming together.
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salmonjunkie
American Dream 
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quote:
Originally posted by punkerhardcore
This was seriously like the episode of South Park last week where at the very end Randy drives up and says, "Well, everything's back to
normal!"
Also, I was hoping for the Raw GM Computer to send a woeful, "What about me?" message.
The Anonymous GM was Raven?
Personally, I think he�s a [freaking homosexual].
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TonyTH
rOOkie
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Yeeeah, I really wish the first part of the show at least went another segment. It looked to be a lot of fun. But they went to commercial, came back,
and it was over in 30 seconds. Thanks for that promise of Punk commentary and other antics! That was a neat 30 seconds, alright!
And as stated in my previous post, still pissed Cena is getting a title shot for no reason. "CENA DOESN'T HAVE THE BELT! SOMETHING IS FUCKING
WRONG! GET HIM A TITLE SHOT!"
Not that Del Rio is interesting at all as champion...but can Cena have some reason/drive for getting a title shot instead of "It's Cena, he
should have the belt cause...well fuck, he's Cena, derp."
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punkerhardcore
The Man 
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Well, it does make sense this time since he was the one who lost it to Del Rio. It just seems exhaustive since Cena is always in the title hunt.
Is everyone mad here?
Of course they are, and you are too... otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
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southermagu
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I actually quite liked this show. The opening was great and Vince came off a bit ambiguous when he relieved HHH of his control of Raw. I call
bullshit on that "I don't like this anymore than you, but it's Johnny Ace" stuff.
The matches we did have were all good (except the Divas, obviously) and we had some nice set up of coming storylines.
I am left questioning what's going on with Morrison. He was the first guy to vocalize his displeasure with Ace and immediately paid for it.
The question is whether or not it will go anywhere good for him, I'm hoping it does.
The false main event was going well, while the real main event, in my opinion, was WWE dipping their toes in the water for an eventual ADR face run.
The guy already has serviceable "hero music". It is going to happen, one way or the other.
On the other hand, I get why some of us didn't dig this show.
Remember when we kept hearing the reports about how Vince was going to push the company in a more "soap opera" direction? Here it is. It's
been done before, but with a key difference: In the Attitude Era, it was a masculine soap opera being told through the perspective of people who had
never written one. Right now, we have people on board who did work in the genre and are coming around from the other side.
I actually used to watch those things years ago. Every now and then, two of the male characters would have a
mutual curb stomp battle that lasted the whole hour.
Usually in a parking garage. And it almost always ended with them bonding, just in time for them to face some mutual threat.
Kind of sounds familiar....
Apparently Amanda Bynes and Charlie Sheen are related, because she's full of the same kind of
crazy.
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TomS
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Oh man, John Laryngitis isn't exactly the most gripping of on-screen personalities is he? I just drift of into distraction when he's
talking.
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Doug Almighty
Creepy Little Bastard
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The first 2 segments were actually enjoyable and intriguing, as FOR ONCE, it was like we were going off-piste. Just a bit. WWE�s attention-to-detail
has been so resolutely poor, for so long, that I genuinely expected the whole roster to walk in from the parking lot dressed to wrestle. So the
Morrison/Christian thing was cool, although sadly was kinda just used as the final transition segment from �Something a bit different, which you need
to keep an eye on,� to �The usual crap.�
Props to WWE for doing something different though. It was still pretty lame, yes. But it was at least different. Nice try etc. HOWEVER! Having the
last big match on this show, and big finale of this Raw, boil down to the 1000th instance of a GM figure saying �This is now a tag match!� was a kick
in the crotch, as that BS is one of my pet hates in terms of WWE�s stale box of tricks. And kinda shows that whoever is GM, you shouldn't get
too concerned, as, in some ways, it makes about as much difference as choosing an alternate skin for a website. But nevermind...
Also, regarding the �story�... Lots of horrible, unconvincing directions for things to go in now, and whilst fantasy booking can be a tad tedious, let
me offer one good direction that could still �work� based on everything we�ve been presented so far. And it boils down to this: Johnny Ace and Cena
are in cahoots.
So, storylinewise... After Cena hit Ace in the face at MITB, Cena apologised to him for it afterwards and they got talking about things, and found
they were both on the same page. They both really disliked Punk�s disruptive actions etc...
Lots of things have happened that play into that possibility. After Nash was �fired� he tweeted that he enjoyed meeting Cena (which didn�t happen
onscreen) and Nash was obviously with Johnny Ace too. Nash attacked Punk at Summerslam after he beat Cena. He distracted Punk in a match with Cena on
Raw, so that Cena got the title shot instead of Punk. And at the end of that match, Johnny Ace protected Cena from an attack by Del Rio.
Last night, Johnny Ace immediately made life hard for Punk after getting power. Immediately made the title match for Cena at Vengeance. As in this
scenario, everything he does is ultimately about making Cena champ AGAIN. One way or another. And keeping Punk, Miz, Truth or whoever occupied with
BS.
So it�s like Johnny Ace and Cena (with hit/miss help from Nash) have been a little heel group operating under the radar the whole time. It is the
conspiracy Miz and Truth have been trying to unearth, but haven�t had the brains to work out.
Not saying this is what WWE have actually been working towards. Doubt they�ve thought it through enough to be working towards anything satisfactorily,
just saying it�s one of the few resolutions that could kinda �make sense� (at a stretch!) if they chose to go that way. As opposed to MANY other ways
of clearing things up that won�t make sense.
WWE can put together a video package to make almost anything seem plausible in retrospect anyway, but think this interpretation has enough ingredients
to make it seem extra plausible.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
Man of a Thousand Holds 
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quote:
Originally posted by southermagu
Remember when we kept hearing the reports about how Vince was going to push the company in a more "soap opera" direction? Here it is. It's
been done before, but with a key difference: In the Attitude Era, it was a masculine soap opera being told through the perspective of people who had
never written one. Right now, we have people on board who did work in the genre and are coming around from the other side.
I actually used to watch those things years ago. Every now and then, two of the male characters would have a
mutual curb stomp battle that lasted the whole hour.
Usually in a parking garage. And it almost always ended with them bonding, just in time for them to face some mutual threat.
Kind of sounds familiar....
Seems like the Soap Opera writers took over right after the MITB PPV, involving Nash, Laryngitis and that convoluted storyline, now we're at
this walk out mess and every show seems to end in a cliff hanger.
It's all leading to Survivor Series where control of the wwe will be on the line where you'll have Laryngitis and his team of Del Rio,
Christian, Miz, Truth and Ziggler vs HHH's team of himself, Cena, Sheamus, Punk and Rock.
I think Cena goes heel there and revealed as the mastermind. With Punk selling crazy merchandise and Rock coming back Cena can go heel and the wwe
not lose on merch sales.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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mooseheadjack
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my thing is this......if the plan all along (at least up to this point) was to have GM Johnny Ace, then why the hell did Punk have to job to HHH at
the ppv? If the end result was HHH out of power, the same thing could have been achieved with Punk winning the match and removing HHH from power.
Punk picks up a huge win, stays relevant and HHH is out of power.
Instead, for reasons I still don't get, they are buddy buddy now, and teaming at the ppv
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The doughboy
Fella
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Nothing like a company that appears to have zero respect for it's loyal customers. The WWE fans are like fans of the Dallas Cowboys , New York
Mets and Montreal Canadiens all rolled into one. Management/ Ownership throws to you garbage stories which make zero sense and we continue to watch
this train wreck. "Sports Entertainment " This HHH/Johnny Ace story started off with promise and has turned into a train wreck. Thanks WWE for
ruining ANOTHER can't miss story. I guess with zero real competition the WWE will continue to produce these garbage stories.
I hope the J.R. firing is Kayfabe as the three person announce table just doesn't work.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
Man of a Thousand Holds
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Also HHH's "broomstick" mention is admitting on programming that wrestling is fake, that he could make a broomstick look good in a match?
Isn't wrestling supposed to be "real" when on wwe programming?
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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ThePunisher
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quote:
Originally posted by S Kid J E T S 48
And for the 100,000th time, I'm sure they never told J.R. what horrible thing was about to happen to him and embarressed him again.
Wonderful.
He actually answered my tweet when I asked him about that.
quote:
natecorbitt: @JRsBBQ - Why do you keep going back to WWE when they constantly humiliate and embarrass you the way they do? Non-kayfabe answer
please.
10:43am, Oct 11 from HootSuite
JRsBBQ: @natecorbitt ... Big Money
10:54am, Oct 11 from Twitter for iPad
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blowjob from Richard the Lionheart. ~Devineman 07/12/2011
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Chris Is Good517
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So... am I the only one that got the vibe that J.R. is probably the lead candidate for permanent GM of Raw, then?
Gee, I wish I was still alive- LuckyLopez R.I.P.
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Wickedfrost
I LOVE RVD 
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I know it needed to be resolved but damn those first 20 minutes were entertaining.
And really - couldn't they have drawn it out a little more. Finish the Cena - Sheamus match - have Punk run in and so something funny for the DQ
finish, start to lower a steel cage, toss HHH a broom and then have McMahon come in.
A few shots of the parking lot would have been good too.
My complaint is that the thing was rushed and that soured the rest of it.
Stay wet my friends.
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C.MontgomeryPunk
Man of a Thousand Holds
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quote:
- The firing of Jim Ross by John Laurinaitis on last night's RAW Supershow was not in the final script and most people backstage had no
idea that it was going to happen.
It's also believed Ross didn't know about the angle either. It was noted that JR's wife could be seen at ringside, looking excited
as he entered the ring for the segment.
Ross told a fan on Twitter today that it was embarrassing for his wife and that they both were "blindsided."
Maybe Ross is working folks, and he could end up as a Jack Tunney-esque figure head President that makes public decisions sparingly.
Probably not.
I remember Eddie Guerrero.
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Clownbaby
Turd Generation Superstar
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A few things:
Cena didn't mention Wade Barrett as a former boss. Not that it matters, but seemed relevant to the point he was making.
Punk on commentary=no fast forwarding. I sat through every shitty match he called while injured. This was a bit of a tease.
Did Vince just address Sheamus as "Shameless"?
quote:
Originally posted by Matte
It's showtime and there's no thread. Rick, feel free to merge this with the OOfficial OOfficial RAW thread if you plan on posting one.
Looks like Rick voted "No Confidence".
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Red Irts
Rediculous
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Tell him to come in from the parking lot.
The only way this mess is saved is by a Cena heel turn with some sort of explanation for all the plotholes. As it is it hurts my head to think about
it.
Most annoying? How it's turned into a 'Raw GM issue'. HHH was the COO up until last week. Everyone kept using the title to the point
it became annoying, yet all of a sudden Hunter is removed from power on Raw so that an interim Raw GM can be installed.
All while the anonymous version remains forgotten. At least it sort of made sense that happened when HHH was COO. His role was above that of a
computer GM. Probably. Aaaghh
The world saw the Ultimate Warrior talking to his hand, what they didn't realise is the hand didn't have a clue what it had just heard.
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diablo_dor
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So HHH gets to bury the roster by claiming they are useless in the ring, has the 3 main Faces not named Orton (what odds he manned up & refused) to
come out & gargle his Jock Strap that is the HHH we all know.
And yet he allowed himself to be a man who supposedly knew his employees would not turn up for work for a full week without arranging any kind of
"game plan" just in case? Wow he truly is the Cerebral Assassin!
Why did he need to change clothes when he was fired & more importantly can Punk now keep the blazer?
I wonder, with the Cena - Sheamus no contest Orton - Henry DQ Punk - ADR no contest & Awesome truth losing by DQ in their big heel return have we ever
had a worse episode of Wrestling TV?
Throw in Mason Ryan leap frogging Ryder as US challenger and I fear for the future as well (did they learn NOTHING from the Zeke face champ fiasco?)
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Al Snown3d
Creepy Little Bastard
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Politics aside, am I the only one who felt a bit umconfortable about CM Punk comparing the wrestlers on strike with "worthless hipsters"? The guy
who is supposed to be the voice of the voiceless is thrashing all those people at Wall St.?
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Chris Is Good517
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quote:
Originally posted by Al Snown3d
Politics aside, am I the only one who felt a bit umconfortable about CM Punk comparing the wrestlers on strike with "worthless hipsters"? The guy
who is supposed to be the voice of the voiceless is thrashing all those people at Wall St.?
That bothered me, too. Not only did that line sound scripted by Vince himself, but if any wrestler in the WWE strikes me as politically liberal, at
least in character, its Punk. So yeah, that was weird and unnecessary
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knuckleballschwartz
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I'm still convinced most OOsters could fantasy book something to salvage what has become a plot-hole ridden fiasco and produce an awesome
storyline. I have however lost all faith wwe can do that.
That was the worst raw I can remember.
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Frank Lloyd Wright
Man of a Thousand Holds 
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The episode had great potential, until Vince showed up and took the air out of the building. I give Triple H credit for finding different ways of
burying the entire roster every week. Saying that a majority of them lack the talent of said "broomstick". His ego has no boundaries.
The real positive to come out of the show was the igniting of the Cody Rhodes/Orton feud. Orton taking the bag was awesome, as well as getting
slammed twice by Henry. This gave him back a little of his mojo that was lost at the hands of the blubbering Big Show on Smackdown.
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Paddlefoot
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quote:
Originally posted by Al Snown3d
Politics aside, am I the only one who felt a bit umconfortable about CM Punk comparing the wrestlers on strike with "worthless hipsters"? The guy
who is supposed to be the voice of the voiceless is thrashing all those people at Wall St.?
I'm fairly certain that pro wrestlers are just like most other athletes and are full of that self-made-man libertarian horseshit ideology. They
sort of think that having a skill or talent that makes them stand outside of the crowd in reality makes them above the rest of the herd. Hence Punk
effectively sticking up for all the rest of the (alleged) self-made-men of Wall Street. Kind of shitty but if he pushed it further he could at least
then say that he's a real rebel because he doesn't follow fads or trendoids.
Besides, aside from Mick Foley, the only WWE personality who didn't some across as an animated GOP talking point was Chris Nowitzki, and
he's long gone. He clearly wasn't self-made-man enough to make in the big arena because only a liberal faggot would let a girly injury
like a traumatic brain concussion end his career.
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SpiNNeR72
And I am AWESOME
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Lets face it, we all knew Johnny Ace was the one "sending all the texts" and messing up HHH's position so he could get in there. Sure, the
execution was shit (why use Vince? completely unnecessary and why didnt he just say to hell with the "board" he was bringing WWE back to the family
etc) but at least we've got him in charge now so maybe it will get the angle over with.
I really enjoyed the opening and during the first break was fantasy booking the whole show - good match from Seamus/Cena, made better by Punk
commentary - Ryder showing up along with maybe Hawkins saying he wants a match on RAW, and HHH saying the winner is new US champ unless Ziggler gets
back and makes it a 3-way. Hell, when better to re-introduce some old hands in the WM warmup - Foley, Austin, even Rock!
But yeah.
I just hope we're heading for a team HHH vs team JL at Survivor Series. For one thing its about the only way even in this fucked up WWE logic I
can see them getting Rock and Cena on the same team making any sense at all.
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JB KING
 
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I just...I...fuck it
Two time Winner for 2010 Breakthrough Poster of the Year Award. You read that right.
XBL Gamertag: JB KING
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